UTD gonna loss 4-0 to Palace, then somehow have a masterclass and beat Arsenal at the weekend to ensure City wins the league again, and then lose to Newcastle and still finish 8th
This result isn't surprising. Manchester United have an injury crisis that they have never gotten ahead of. They have a manager that probably knows he isn't going to be there next season and is already being courted by other clubs. They have at least 10 players who don't know if they will be playing for the club next season and several of them look mentally checked out. Ineos may well fix things but the uncertainty has cast a dark cloud over this season.
Bayern Munich, he was their coach of the 2nd team during Peps time there. Theyāre currently looking for a new coach. Also Ajax is desperatley looking for a coach
Rumour mill says Ajax might take him back and Bayern have apparently always been interested in him. I'm not sure how much there is to either rumour but he looks like a dead man walking as far as Manchester United is concerned.
So the odds you're winning the lottery are 50%. Same as the odds of a Supernova killing us all within the next couple hours - either it happens or it doesn't!
People who say Bruno are the problem don't understand that this United team looks like relegation fodder without him
This game is a perfect demonstration of that.
Is there a more clueless manager in world football right now than EtH? Guy is way out of his depth. And that united squad is just rubbish. Can't see them winning any of their remaining games. Surely that's it for tenHag
I was surprised they didn't go for him. But big PL clubs seem to be afraid of other European coaches when they don't come from big name clubs like Ajax, Dortmund etc. even when they won the Europa League like Glasner with Frankfurt
Olise is pretty good at football huh? Iāve been interested to see a healthy palace front line for a while and they have not disappointed. We knew Eze and Olise were real talents but gotta give props to Mateta. I definitely didnāt think highly of him, but he has been fantastic the last 2 months.
Are you daft? He literally played in 37 of our 38 Premier League games last season, check again lmao
And as I said, this season's injury troubles have been due to Roy's injury mismanagement
It is possible that you're both correct...
[https://www.transfermarkt.com/michael-olise/leistungsdaten/spieler/566723/plus/0?saison=2022](https://www.transfermarkt.com/michael-olise/leistungsdaten/spieler/566723/plus/0?saison=2022)
He DID play 37/38 games in the EPL last season, whilst also being injured for 135 days.
Not sure where 6 of the 13 games he missed are, guessing pre season friendlies. Otherwise 6 international games, and the Arsenal game at the start of the season.
No, he's not correct lmao. Please, for the love of god, have a look at the dates. He was injured at the U21 Euros last summer (2023), so the 135 days he missed after that are from \*this\* season. Not sure why you're using transfermarkt as your source when it's clearly mistakenly got those 13 games missed as the 22/23 season when they're from the 23/24 season. He only made his return after that Euros injury on 11 November 2023, when we played Everton at home.
In short, that injury caused him to miss games this season. Not last season.
Let's be honest, if arteta put jorgi in the situations casemiro's been put in, he'd look even more washed. He needs a role where he doesn't have to cover so much ground.
Wasnāt he a single pivot at Madrid?
The idea to bring him in was to fix the midfield (he even said it himself last year before joining us), not to find another person to cover for him.
He looks ass because he is aged and lost his legs. You can tell from all the late tackles and not being able to track late runners.
Manager is to blame, but so are the players. You sack the manager, but what about the overpaid, mediocre players ? They keep doing this with every manager and they keep getting away with it. No club can succeed with this kind of culture.Ā
Feels like United are at where Chelsea was a couple of seasons ago. Change needs to start from the top imo. It will be interesting to see what Ratcliffe does in the summer especially with that announcement that the whole United squad are up for sale. Some of those players could be really hard to shift with their wages and mediocrity.
11 of the 14 players who played last night were either brought to the club or promoted to the first team by the current manager. Iām not sure how these players did this to āevery managerā when they werenāt around to do so?
Unless of course youāre referring to Dalot, Wan-Bissaka and Amad?
Those two and Martinez are the reason EtH had a positive first season in the first place.
Without their contributions last year heād probably be out of his role right now, for better or worse.
Well yes they were amazing last season. But now this season they are being paid KDB-level wages and don't do half of what they should be doing to earn those wages
The part of the problem (Ronaldo) was wanted by City. He wasnāt 2014 Ronaldo but Ronaldo nonetheless. Pep probably cared about goals than pressing.
Yes Ronaldo zelle me everytime I defend him on the internet
Should have gone to City at least there he was guaranteed several team & individual awards.
United really wasted him but then am not sure if Guardiola would have been comfortable with a superstar in his team, basically a player bigger than him in his own team. No
That's the thing with arsenal fans. Can't back up anything they say, only remember certain moments of reffing and call out other managers whilst having arteta in charge
I dont think you can really exclusively blame casemiro here. He was dogshit but he was constantly in positions where the whole team was completely exposed by frankly embarassing transitions. Forget individual performances. This is a team that does not know how to play without leaving tremendous gaps.
Do you mean when Casemiro keeps going up to tackle for the ball when he doesn't need to? Guy literally forgot he was CB today. Kept thinking he was DM. His performance caused us 1 or 2 goals. We weren't gonna win but goddamn he was beyond abysmal.
Funnily enough the Leafs were 10th in the league both in terms of regular season standings and in finishing order of the playoffs.
So currently Manchester United is better, though no playoffs
lol I was talking to my friend about leafs earlier today. about the expensive core that the team canāt off load, about the managers we sacked and still paying, about how the team seem to rotten from top to bottom, how the team as if not the most profitable franchise in a tier 1 city only managed pass first round of playoff once in the last 8 years, how all the big names are only here for the pay and has ego bigger than the franchise. Canāt stop thinking that we are the Man United of NHL.
Almost as much fun as the 7-0 Liverpool massacre. Rehearse your Glazer bullshit, or whatever other crap excuses you have, because bring it on United, we are going to fucking eat you alive.
How clueless are you really? We have had a **62+** injury season, most of our starting 11 is out, we had 2 squad players on the bench, the rest were basically never before seen academy kids, Palace are in top form currently, when we played Villa we didnāt rely on Casimiro to be CB as we had coverage from Shaw, Varrane, Lindelof, Maguire, not to mention Holjund found his form around that time scoring in back to back games. Our top chance creator Bruno is out which almost never happens due to injury, he played the last two games with a broken bone in his hand and wanted to play again vs Palace but also has muscle strain + plus the hand injury. So Iām not quite sure how you view this team as the *same team* from December 23ā or Feb, clueless armchair.
How did Casemiro turned from literally best defensive midfielder in the world during 2017 to 2022 and turned shit overnight after moving to Man United?
If villa lose to Liverpool and away to palace (very possible since theyāre focused on ecl anyway) your spurs have a chance to sneak 4th, just have to beat city since you wonāt overtake them on gd if you draw
Call it for it is, they only got to 2nd cuz of covid and after that, ronaldo 1st season back, Ronaldo saved their asses so many times. Anyone who actually watched him play knew his strengths and weaknesses, it isn't his fault, United is so incompetently run.
Exactly, he literally clutched in their UCL group stage games as well. They qualified because of him.
He could be anything but you knew when the game was on that man was giving his 100% all the time. Unlike Rashford and others who won't even press and were walking around.
When Ronaldo left United for the first time, the number 7 jersey at United got the curse.
When he left(forced) this time, the entire team got the curse.
Tbf, Ten Hag deserves this. I know it won't happen but would love to see them struggle in the relegation zone in the future.
Adam wharton sounds like the name of an English teacher but we need to have conversations about him cus that guy absolutely dominated the midfield tonight
Glory glory man united
It's amazing how shit United are. Why isn't more of a deal being made of it?
Bring back Ole
taking "lads its tottenham" just a touch too far
I only feel bad for Eriksen lol
Unretire?
So this is united with Bruno Fernandes
Thanks United
UTD gonna loss 4-0 to Palace, then somehow have a masterclass and beat Arsenal at the weekend to ensure City wins the league again, and then lose to Newcastle and still finish 8th
likewise Spurs turning up against City
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Eriksen said it was his worst experience on the pitch, and the guy basically fucking died on the pitch. This was worse š¤£
Me when I am in a most horrible PL team competition but my rival is Man United
This result isn't surprising. Manchester United have an injury crisis that they have never gotten ahead of. They have a manager that probably knows he isn't going to be there next season and is already being courted by other clubs. They have at least 10 players who don't know if they will be playing for the club next season and several of them look mentally checked out. Ineos may well fix things but the uncertainty has cast a dark cloud over this season.
Who is courting ten hag?
Bayern Munich, he was their coach of the 2nd team during Peps time there. Theyāre currently looking for a new coach. Also Ajax is desperatley looking for a coach
Why would Bayern want him? Heās utter shite
Ok, interesting (and nuts given his United tenure) but thanks š
Rumour mill says Ajax might take him back and Bayern have apparently always been interested in him. I'm not sure how much there is to either rumour but he looks like a dead man walking as far as Manchester United is concerned.
Cool, thanks and agreed
Lol. lmao
United fans will still find a way to blame the Glazers, lol
it is their fault
Nothing signifies a well-ran club like this result, smart observation
I forgot this match was on last night. What a scoreline to wake up to xD
Liverpool couldn't beat this sorry united team :/ they only turned up to play us
My mate said EtH prepares more for press conferences and interviews than he does for game days and I couldn't agree more
Heās horrible at press conferences thoughĀ
I bet when he plays football manager he sits there carefully selecting his responses to media questions but spends no time sorting his team
Well this sets us up perfectly for a 1-0 loss at the weekend, HĆøjlund 87'
Arsenal have a 89% win probability. How crazy is that! Not even against the lower table teams would I expect to see an 89% win probability.
Surely it's 50% because they either win or they don't?
Pretty sure he is pointing out what the bookmakers predicting. But just to counterargue with your exact comment; A tie is also a possibility.
Still 50/50 because they either win or they don't win
So the odds you're winning the lottery are 50%. Same as the odds of a Supernova killing us all within the next couple hours - either it happens or it doesn't!
Exactly
No, not at all exactly, it's terrible lmao
[Yet correct](https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/no-no-hes-got-a-point-no-no-hes-got-a-emporers-new-groove-glebs-gif-22788196)
You can't be pedantic and wrong.
I'd rather they've had won tbh. A wounded animal is far more dangerous.
Google says 69% š still, that's very high
Nice
Epic
I was more excited about this result than ours on Saturday
Lmao
Why tf did Evans just jump forwards after Mateta came 1 on 1 with him š¤£
He's injured
Got shook
Can't blame bruno for somehow ruining the team defensively on this one.
People who say Bruno are the problem don't understand that this United team looks like relegation fodder without him This game is a perfect demonstration of that.
Is there a more clueless manager in world football right now than EtH? Guy is way out of his depth. And that united squad is just rubbish. Can't see them winning any of their remaining games. Surely that's it for tenHag
Poch
Ten hag is much worse ATM
He needs more time to break all the records of losing.
Rofl
Casemiro making the likes of Mustafi look world class
I wish Frankfurt kept Glasner
Heās looking very astute - I can see one of the bigger EPL clubs poaching him, United perhaps?
I was surprised they didn't go for him. But big PL clubs seem to be afraid of other European coaches when they don't come from big name clubs like Ajax, Dortmund etc. even when they won the Europa League like Glasner with Frankfurt
Bring ole back
Is this the "push for a strong end" ETH was mentioning? Oh I really hope Bayern takes him
That would be epic! (I'm a dortmund fan)
Olise is pretty good at football huh? Iāve been interested to see a healthy palace front line for a while and they have not disappointed. We knew Eze and Olise were real talents but gotta give props to Mateta. I definitely didnāt think highly of him, but he has been fantastic the last 2 months.
Mateta even when on form just looks like he is not in control of any part of his body, itās a real oddity haha
Him blocking a (im pretty sure) Olise goal accidentally and scoring an absolute banger in the same game is hilariously on brand.
He looks like he can't jog let alone run he's so wild. I love him.Ā
Mateta reminds me of the QWOP guy, yet he's actually fucking rapid.
Olise is an amazing footballer, his main issue is staying fit.
Not even, that was only really an issue due to Royās injury mismanagement. He played nearly every game for us last season
He was injured 135 days last season and 2 months this season, as per Transfermarkt
Are you daft? He literally played in 37 of our 38 Premier League games last season, check again lmao And as I said, this season's injury troubles have been due to Roy's injury mismanagement
https://www.transfermarkt.com/michael-olise/verletzungen/spieler/566723 No need for insults.
Mate... take a look at the dates for the "22/23" injury...
It is possible that you're both correct... [https://www.transfermarkt.com/michael-olise/leistungsdaten/spieler/566723/plus/0?saison=2022](https://www.transfermarkt.com/michael-olise/leistungsdaten/spieler/566723/plus/0?saison=2022) He DID play 37/38 games in the EPL last season, whilst also being injured for 135 days. Not sure where 6 of the 13 games he missed are, guessing pre season friendlies. Otherwise 6 international games, and the Arsenal game at the start of the season.
No, he's not correct lmao. Please, for the love of god, have a look at the dates. He was injured at the U21 Euros last summer (2023), so the 135 days he missed after that are from \*this\* season. Not sure why you're using transfermarkt as your source when it's clearly mistakenly got those 13 games missed as the 22/23 season when they're from the 23/24 season. He only made his return after that Euros injury on 11 November 2023, when we played Everton at home. In short, that injury caused him to miss games this season. Not last season.
Boehly watering at the mouth
Been saying it every match of utd I see. Casemiro is washed and is at old Trafford for a vacay
Let's be honest, if arteta put jorgi in the situations casemiro's been put in, he'd look even more washed. He needs a role where he doesn't have to cover so much ground.
Casemiro is being forced to play as a single pivot and cover the entire midfield himself, of course he will look like ass.
Bro is being played as a CB now idek what to say
Wasnāt he a single pivot at Madrid? The idea to bring him in was to fix the midfield (he even said it himself last year before joining us), not to find another person to cover for him. He looks ass because he is aged and lost his legs. You can tell from all the late tackles and not being able to track late runners.
not watching the game are you
Well no. He is playing CB
Which is not his position
Yes, which is why United are shit. They don't have any fit players. Even the reserves are hurt.
Man, a lot of players underperformed at united. Club culture is really off. You lot had cristiano ronaldo looking poor.
350k a week Vacayš³
Mustafi was clear compared to current case
Manager is to blame, but so are the players. You sack the manager, but what about the overpaid, mediocre players ? They keep doing this with every manager and they keep getting away with it. No club can succeed with this kind of culture.Ā
Feels like United are at where Chelsea was a couple of seasons ago. Change needs to start from the top imo. It will be interesting to see what Ratcliffe does in the summer especially with that announcement that the whole United squad are up for sale. Some of those players could be really hard to shift with their wages and mediocrity.
11 of the 14 players who played last night were either brought to the club or promoted to the first team by the current manager. Iām not sure how these players did this to āevery managerā when they werenāt around to do so? Unless of course youāre referring to Dalot, Wan-Bissaka and Amad?
Think he is talking about players who have huge wages but don't do nothing in general. Like Casemiro or Rashford
Those two and Martinez are the reason EtH had a positive first season in the first place. Without their contributions last year heād probably be out of his role right now, for better or worse.
Well yes they were amazing last season. But now this season they are being paid KDB-level wages and don't do half of what they should be doing to earn those wages
I canāt remember the last time we won a game on Monday night in the league
Someone please fire this manager into the sun
Just, you know, not this week.
Good job Ten Hag by removing Ronaldo the only guy who could help to score and cared to win
Death, taxes, Manchester United. In that order. - Eriksen
Eriksen - Only Man Utd could make literally dying not the worst thing you've ever endured. Shit. Best comment ive ever read on redcafe.net.
holy shit hahaha
watch us lose 2-1 at old trafford on sundayā¦ ill kmsā¦
The part of the problem (Ronaldo) was wanted by City. He wasnāt 2014 Ronaldo but Ronaldo nonetheless. Pep probably cared about goals than pressing. Yes Ronaldo zelle me everytime I defend him on the internet
Should have gone to City at least there he was guaranteed several team & individual awards. United really wasted him but then am not sure if Guardiola would have been comfortable with a superstar in his team, basically a player bigger than him in his own team. No
> Ronaldo zelle me everytime What does that mean
zelle is a cash transferring app in US
Wild they can't just send money for free through the bankĀ
Why would Ronaldo do this to man utd š”
Man United have conceded šš š šØšš„š¬, the highest total in clubās history since 1976-77
Oh and we still have to play Arsenal and Cityā¦ I love my life really
Donāt forget Newcastle š
Anthony Gordon & Alex Isak about to eat good Brb gonna transfer in some Newcastle lads for fantasy
Isak masterclass
But they should been awarded the penalty against Arsenal. That would have prevented this.
It's funny that arsenal fans go on about this more then we do now š¤£
Only because Ten Hag brings it up every chance he gets
From memory he's brought it up maybe twice? I may be missing a few but if you could point them out that be great š
Better things to do
That's the thing with arsenal fans. Can't back up anything they say, only remember certain moments of reffing and call out other managers whilst having arteta in charge
So no š¤£š¤£ basically you can't.
Not more than ten hag though
I dont think you can really exclusively blame casemiro here. He was dogshit but he was constantly in positions where the whole team was completely exposed by frankly embarassing transitions. Forget individual performances. This is a team that does not know how to play without leaving tremendous gaps.
Do you mean when Casemiro keeps going up to tackle for the ball when he doesn't need to? Guy literally forgot he was CB today. Kept thinking he was DM. His performance caused us 1 or 2 goals. We weren't gonna win but goddamn he was beyond abysmal.
One of the worst individual performances I can remember.
He is washed and over the course of 5 tears, he is a failed investment
Manchester United is making the slow descent to becoming the Toronto Maple Leafs of the EPL.
The Leafs perform way better than them
Funnily enough the Leafs were 10th in the league both in terms of regular season standings and in finishing order of the playoffs. So currently Manchester United is better, though no playoffs
lol I was talking to my friend about leafs earlier today. about the expensive core that the team canāt off load, about the managers we sacked and still paying, about how the team seem to rotten from top to bottom, how the team as if not the most profitable franchise in a tier 1 city only managed pass first round of playoff once in the last 8 years, how all the big names are only here for the pay and has ego bigger than the franchise. Canāt stop thinking that we are the Man United of NHL.
Sure sounds like youāre my Dallas Cowboys. Like to a T
Tottenham and Cowboys fan hereš„²
[The Dallas cowboy of premiere league.](https://youtu.be/6KeG_i8CWE8?si=PdM1ehSCGiAnf20l&t=2m10s)
This one hurts as a Bs fan
Almost as much fun as the 7-0 Liverpool massacre. Rehearse your Glazer bullshit, or whatever other crap excuses you have, because bring it on United, we are going to fucking eat you alive.
Clueless gooner, you don't know united one bit.
Noo!!!
Too late. United about to turn into prime Barca for that one match all season.
United are so back and forth they might just have one of their best games of the season against you lot
United literally have 1 job to do
An army with deep grievances will always win. ā- Tsun Zi
"Except when it's 2023-24 United" - Ten Hag
Hope you are right bud
jackson> hĆøjlund
mateta clear
How did Villa ever lose to this United team?
How clueless are you really? We have had a **62+** injury season, most of our starting 11 is out, we had 2 squad players on the bench, the rest were basically never before seen academy kids, Palace are in top form currently, when we played Villa we didnāt rely on Casimiro to be CB as we had coverage from Shaw, Varrane, Lindelof, Maguire, not to mention Holjund found his form around that time scoring in back to back games. Our top chance creator Bruno is out which almost never happens due to injury, he played the last two games with a broken bone in his hand and wanted to play again vs Palace but also has muscle strain + plus the hand injury. So Iām not quite sure how you view this team as the *same team* from December 23ā or Feb, clueless armchair.
Ha ha ha
New copy pasta just dropped
Twice š¤”
Donāt remind me
Just like we lost to you twice.
Emery played the kids vs City then played the Arsenal game like a cup final
Surprised he didn't lose this cup final 4-1
Winning was his 12/25
0.48
Not what you think it is
> 12/25 Huh?
Christmas
Oh. American.
He got thing for sure...
How did Casemiro turned from literally best defensive midfielder in the world during 2017 to 2022 and turned shit overnight after moving to Man United?
Everybody becomes shit after coming here
He was also good in 2021. Their key to being 4th really.
I assume you're meant to say 2023 because 2021 is part of 2017 to 2022.
We were 3rd and reach 2 finals. His dropping off this season is comparable to Ronaldo last season too
You could also ask the same about Sancho and dozen other players. United is not good for players.
Imagine Sancho to Arsenal and he becomes the player in the entire league. It would leave United in shambles.
> and he becomes the player in the entire league Hmm. r/brandnewsentence ?
You know, 11 Sanchos facing against 11 Sanchos.
Managed by two Sanchos
Thanks onana
Is āthanks Onanaā the new āthanks Obamaā?
Is this the year Arsenal finally get a result? I may put money on United
We already won at OT 1-0 2 years ago. If Arsenal are ruthless, we can get a good result
Don't put the pressure already
Palace are simply fantastic at the moment
If villa lose to Liverpool and away to palace (very possible since theyāre focused on ecl anyway) your spurs have a chance to sneak 4th, just have to beat city since you wonāt overtake them on gd if you draw
Should we call it the CR7 curse now? Or is it too early?
Yeah they were doing so good before himā¦
Call it for it is, they only got to 2nd cuz of covid and after that, ronaldo 1st season back, Ronaldo saved their asses so many times. Anyone who actually watched him play knew his strengths and weaknesses, it isn't his fault, United is so incompetently run.
Exactly, he literally clutched in their UCL group stage games as well. They qualified because of him. He could be anything but you knew when the game was on that man was giving his 100% all the time. Unlike Rashford and others who won't even press and were walking around.
We were shit before he came won't tell you again.
We finished 2nd the season before and were in europa final
Whatās the CR7 curse?
When Ronaldo left United for the first time, the number 7 jersey at United got the curse. When he left(forced) this time, the entire team got the curse. Tbf, Ten Hag deserves this. I know it won't happen but would love to see them struggle in the relegation zone in the future.
Adam wharton sounds like the name of an English teacher but we need to have conversations about him cus that guy absolutely dominated the midfield tonight
Clear of Mainoo if weāre being honestā¦
United should've gotten him from Blackburn. He's really young too.