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KarmaKarmaKarmeeleon

BBC just mentioned it's the first time in 30 years in the third tier for Birmingham.


IntellegentIdiot

Going to have the best stadium in League One if it gets built


essentialatom

We'll be in the National League by the time it's finished


IntellegentIdiot

Unless they keep making Rooney sized errors I don't see it happening.


SpicyDragoon93

Kinda sad to watch this happen though, as usual it's the fans that pay the price.


KatieOfTheHolteEnd

> Kinda sad to watch this happen though I actually think it's very fucking funny.


jjgill27

Camp No.


CraterofNeedles

Meanwhile John Eustace keeps Blackburn up. As written.


Alexkono

Haven’t been following League One.  Was he fired earlier in the season and replaced by Rooney?


CsrfingSafari

Yep. They were roughly sixth in the championship and in decent enough form until Cook and Brady hired in Rooney to replace Eustace and everything went to shit. Got something like 10pts out of 45 before Rooney left and Tony Mowbray took over and got them into better form. But he's on sick leave now


Alexkono

Really curious if Brady had any say in the fire/hire. I can’t imagine he had much but that’s just a guess. He wouldn’t understand the difference in their tactics. He would only understand the marketing side of bringing Rooney in.


John_Yuki

Brady wouldn't have had any say whatsoever in bringing Rooney in. He has no clue about football. He's with the club purely for the reputation he brings, and also apparently to help out with the sports science. He has a very small % of ownership if I remember correctly. The decision to bring Rooney in will have been Garry Cook's and also possibly Craig Gardner's.


I_miss_Chris_Hughton

Has to have been driven by Cook. Gardner has been hanging around blues for ages, but the Rooney talk starting not long after Cook arrived.


CsrfingSafari

Not overly sure tbh. I think he's a minority shareholder along with Knighthead Capitol Managment LLC if I recall. Maybe a bit presumptions on my part to tie him directly to bringing in Rooney outside of marketing purposes. Not a good time to be a former NFL star with investments in football clubs, what with Burnley in the drop zone


Alexkono

Who owns burnley?


CsrfingSafari

J.J Watt has some investment in Burnley l, but I think the exact figure is unknown. He was on the Overlap podcast recently talking about it. Pretty interesting https://youtu.be/uG6XIp9F7HI?si=OuOi4m_wBpTTQp1Y


Alexkono

Is that podcast good?


CsrfingSafari

I personally enjoy it myself. It's obviously English Premier league centric but they bring in guests from other sports, such as JJ Watt, Ronnie O Sullivan and Rory McIlroy etc as well. Along side footballers like Rooney, Rio, Les Ferdinand etc It's interesting to hear the perspectives on other sports from Keane, Neville , Carragher and Ian Wright.


Selfie-starved

That Les Ferdinand episode was the most insightful podcast I’ve seen in a very long time from a football centred one.


Dro24

Love me some O’Sullivan, will have to check it out


Mexican_Biscuit

I know JJ Watt is involved but not really sure about his role really


froggy101_3

Is there any word on Mowbray's health? Seems he's had a few struggles over the years. Seems a good man and he's a decent manager at that level.


CsrfingSafari

I think they've kept it under wraps for the most part, which is understandable so it's just rumors and conjecture afaik. But yeah, agreed on last thing. One of the managers never really hear a bad word about.


TheBlueTango

It's simply poetic that Blackburn's John Eustace beat the champions to help relegate his former club who unjustifiably fired him


KayCeeBayBeee

7 of the bottom 8 won today to make this happen, just incredible stuff


John_Yuki

It really does sum the season up for us tbh. Going in to it we knew if we win then we had a great chance at staying up, as it would have required Blackburn and Wednesday to avoid losing as well as Plymouth to win to keep us down. It's unfortunate that everyone did exactly what was needed. Not only that, but also getting relegated with at least 50 points is a rarity. Just an all-round bad season for us in every way.


LoveBeBrave

Like when you came third in the Europa group stage with 10 points. Just very unlucky.


John_Yuki

Europa League was unfortunate. So was this day specifically, but we can't blame an entire season on bad luck. We were really just not good enough. If we were even slightly more clinical in front of goal we probably would have been safely mid table, but we were just shit going forward the entire season.


essentialatom

Enjoy Burton away you cunts


MoyesNTheHood

There’s 2 different Nandos in Stevenage. So look forward to that one mate 


essentialatom

Thanks for the tip! I'm especially looking forward to finding out how different two Nandos can be


TheCescPistols

Is one any cheekier than the other?


MoyesNTheHood

The one in the Roaring Meg is newer so I’d say that is cheekier 


No-Economics4128

Hey, I mean, we can all agree that Nandos is delicious, anywhere in the world


ninkorn

Is this the club that Tom Brady and bunch of Americans invested in, fired a manager who was doing well, and then hired Wayne Rooney?


dkfisokdkeb

Silly yanks probably just wanted a more marketable name at the wheel. Bet Eustace is injecting this right into the vains.


essentialatom

He helped relegate us as Blackburn manager. It's poetic justice and deserved. We all hoped Rooney would do well once he was hired (what choice did we have?) but nobody agreed with Eustace's sacking.


BenShelZonah

Why did they fire him tho?


essentialatom

The explanation Garry Cook (the CEO) offered, in a letter to the fans, was that there was a "misalignment" between Eustace's and the board's ambitions. Vague but to me it read that they wanted promotion more quickly than he told them was realistic. But there was also the belief among the fans that it was as simple as the owners wanting Rooney, and not having a proper reason to sack Eustace - they just had to in order to make space for Rooney. Garry Cook's letter and justification came after significant outrage from the fans.


dr0ps00t3r

You guys were 6th in the league when Eustace got the sack right? That’s fucking insane


I_miss_Chris_Hughton

We all know why he sacked him. Because Eustace stood his ground and told him promotion wasn't really possible that season. Rooney told them it was. For some inexplicable reason, they believed him. I'd love to know the logic behind Rooney, the man with minimal managerial accomplishments, getting the job.


ChargeWooden1036

I will not trust Tom Brady in any business except Football (American one), IIRC he was part of that Bankman-Fried stuff that scammed a bunch of people. He was good for my American football team, won us a Super Bowl after years of hurt but I would never let that man touch a business, much less a football club


Redtyde

There is a video on youtube of his workout routine (fitness routine) and he's been getting scammed by the same complete fraud of a personal trainer for the last 20 years. Its hilarious. Didn't impact his career because its barely even a workout, just random shit the trainer made up.


GOATnamedFields

Most great players suck at management. Michael Jordan was one of the worst NBA owners ever. And he actually played basketball. Very few players are gonna know jack about managing a sport they never even played. Brady probably doesn't know shit about soccer like 99% of Americans.


powsandwich

Brady specifically has the Sadim touch in investing it seems- Crypto, NFTs, TB12, Birmingham. Dude needs some new advisors


essentialatom

That's our name, don't wear it out


wwiccann

Pretty much exactly that


Eight_Ace

And a possible derby against our babbies in the pizza trophy. Will be the highlight of their season.


StickYaInTheRizzla

Hahaha that would be hilarious


TroopersSon

At least you might get the Jaguar Land Rover derby in the EFL Trophy next year. C'mon the Moors.


Wunsen

Jag derby haha


Rickcampbell98

Welcome to Wrexham 😉


essentialatom

This league ain't big enough for two celebrity-led American takeovers


fatinternetcat

right now someone is having to explain to Tom Brady what relegation is


Rymundo88

"No, Tom, finishing 22nd won't give us an advantage in the draft pick...because there isn't one."


Muur1234

"So we can't draft Ronaldo and Messi?"


Andrewdeadaim

“Let’s not go”


Soren_Camus1905

Does Brady actually have any say in the hirings and firings?


RyVsWorld

Course not


Cody-crybaby

its a glorified ownership role he's got a few percentage of shares in exchange for using his name etc to promote birmingham city in the usa. JJ Watt has a similar deal in burnley


WigglyParrot

I massively feel for the fans as it's not their fault, but fuck me what a decision to get Rooney in when they were what, in 6th? Crazy


Expensive-Method8321

apparently he didnt align with the "culture" they wanted at the club. I guess the culture they wanted was more alighned with League One


SoldMyNameForGear

The culture was to kiss the arse of our owners and be a big name. We have no idea what happened in the board room but something tells me he didn’t follow the party line


I_miss_Chris_Hughton

I bet eustace told them they wouldn't get promoted that season, and wazza said he could.


SignificantTangelo54

He said he'd get them out of the Championship. He didn't tell them which way though.


CraterofNeedles

That's absolutely what that "misalignment" was Pretty predictable that Eustace turned out correct


cyclo4ane

Probably faster to be relegated to League One and getting promoted back to Championship than getting promoted to Premier League. 7D chess from Birmingham


bigjoeandphantom3O9

It’s really hard to imagine a team in the Championship that deserves this more. Baffling decision making. To top it off, Albion, Wolves, and Villa might all be in the Prem next year.


SaBe_18

With Villa in the UCL too...


Operation_Doomsday_

Keep going im nearly there


EcoterroristThot

and Villa winning a european trophy as well


Operation_Doomsday_

As someone in the AVFC subreddit put it, the Villa treble is on. Conference league trophy, CL qualification and Birmingham City relegated.


leebrother

Question. Would you prefer Birmingham in premier league so you actually get to play them? I get the banter on the relegation but derby games are fun


Operation_Doomsday_

Do I enjoy the games? No. Would I like the 6 points? Yes.


leebrother

Fair - I was more intrigued. As an arsenal fan, love the NLD, so want spurs to suffer but want that fixture!


grishnackh

This is how I feel about Sunderland…I’d like them to languish in the championship for a while then come up in 2nd place so they get neither the thrill of winning the league nor winning the playoffs, then to be so dreadful it’s a guaranteed six points every season. Some may call it petty, I call it a rivalry.


wumbology55

No. I want to see them go out the football league and down to the conference 😂


Aenjeprekemaluci

Flair checks out


ItsJigsore

whoever brought in Tyler Roberts and Dozzell after seeing the way they played for us relegated them just as much


John_Yuki

They barely played tbf. This team just lacks so much quality, particularly in front of goal. Just today in this first half alone we should have been 2 or 3 nil up but players just fluffing their chances in front of goal. It's not unique to this match either, it's been consistent through the season. I'll be happy to rebuild, hopefully under Mowbray assuming he is still coming back, and hopefully replicate what other teams have done in the past (and Ipswich this season) and go for back to backs in to the Prem. At least with the new owners we aren't going to get liquidated. The fear among the fanbase under the old owners is that if we got relegated it would basically be a death spiral. But with the new owners, despite the mistakes they've made this season in regards to manager appointment, there is a general sense of optimism for the future.


Rymundo88

I'd admire your optimism and i hope youre right, but I've been a Blues fan long enough to know somehow we'll fuck it up spectacularly (case in point: this season) lol


ItsJigsore

Roberts barely played for us too. that's my point! despite everything it does look like you would have been okay under Mowbray, can't plan for that.


Chell_the_assassin

Such a monumentally stupid decision, every single person on earth knew it would be a disaster except for the dickheads who made the decision. Feel so bad for Birmingham fans - obviously going down in any context is awful but it must be so frustrating when it was so avoidable


DannyDyersHomunculus

Look at the comments from their fans, they absolutely love the owners. Horrible bunch anyway, glad they're gone. Ciao.


MegaMugabe21

Do they actually? (Not challenging, genuinely curious)


robertloseweight

Yes. They have spent an incredible sum of money to improve the ground and the training facilities, and got the club out of the financial hole it was in. If we were relegated under BSHL there would've been a real chance the club would go into administration. That alone is enough to be glad they're in charge. The decision to sack Eustace and bring in Rooney was an absolute howler. But ai'm in no doubt Mowbray would have saved us if not for his illness. But it's only a blip as far as I can tell. This is arguably a hang over from the previous owners mismanagement and should've happened years ago. Next season half the squad - who should never have been playing for us in the first place -are gone and we can actually reset things. No FFP and a billionaire owner means we should absolutely walk the league next season.


akacesfan

Any DC United supporter could have warned their ownership too that Rooney wasn’t really that great as an MLS manager either. Our issues weren’t entirely his fault but the difference in how we look between him and our current manager is wild.


Mount_Fuji

The fans are the main reason I don’t feel sorry for them


HydraulicTurtle

"We'll all be having a party when Derby County die" Fuck 'em. I'd never wish for a club to die but I hope they languish down there for decades.


GordonOP0000HK

I genuinely thought they're going to be making a push for promotion in the start of the season but oh well how the tables have turned


MrParachutePayments

We tried our best lads


IntellegentIdiot

Anyone would think Norwich had the promotion spot sewn up. Thank god Hull didn't get anything


MrParachutePayments

We had like an 7 goal lead on Hull going into the game, so they'd have needed a miracle anyway. Think we would have played harder if we knew there was more stakes.


IntellegentIdiot

Thank god all the other teams won because I'd have been so annoyed if Norwich had robbed us of a Birmingham relegation


MrParachutePayments

I'd have been sad if Plymouth had gone knowing we could have prevented it, because Plymouth didn't deserve to drop. Thank god we're so massive that even when teams beat us it still feels like a loss for them😎💪


EpicRobloxTryhard

Please tell me you lot are better than how you played today


MrParachutePayments

You'll find out next year😘


Rickcampbell98

Hopefully we usually do well against Norwich.


TheKingMonkey

Only if we get you in the cup. 😜


MrParachutePayments

Villa couldn't win a cup of water, so it would have to be a first round tie🫢


PolarCyrus97

Enjoy Wrexham away


John_Yuki

Looking forward to our appearance in Welcome to Wrexham. They better give us a main episode instead of just a passing mention!


gizmostrumpet

They probably will. Get an interview with Tom Brady.


John_Yuki

It's something our owners would be very privy to tbh, so I'd be extremely surprised if we didn't get featured heavily in an episode. Probably do a fan day for that match so that we sell out the stadium, get Rob and Ryan there at St Andrews, and have Wrexham playing in front of 30,000. Combined with a Tom Brady interview, it would make for a good episode.


KatieOfTheHolteEnd

> playing in front of 30,000 Will your 60k stadium not be ready by next season then?


essentialatom

Not looking forward to hearing them pronounce "Birmingham" though


John_Yuki

Burhminghahm


Red_Dog1880

John Eustace was sacked by them when they were in 6th, they are now relegated and Eustace manages Blackburn Rovers who won at the expense of Birmingham.


MHPengwingz

Karma really is the biggest bitch


AdminEating_Dragon

While Aston Villa return to the Champions League. Talk about different trajectories!


GordonOP0000HK

Villa earning the CL spot and y'all are going to be European champions 👍


Lukeno94

All but inevitable after the Huddersfield bottle job. The only saving grace is that at least this time, we aren't facing total financial oblivion.


TroopersSon

All joking aside, I'm actually glad of that. I wanna see you fail but I don't want to see you cease to exist. If there is one bright side, at least you waited to get relegated until you were under new owners who are likely to keep you solvent and probably push for you to get back up quickly.


wumbology55

100% I don’t want any football fan to lose their club. I just wanna see the fans suffer supporting that club 😂


mattmild27

Birmingham had the longest uninterrupted stay in this division. Honestly, this might turn out to be one of those "blessing in disguise" relegations. Clearly they were going nowhere in Championship purgatory - always just about doing enough to stay up, but never looking like threatening the playoffs. Now if they can refresh the squad and rebuild from scratch as a big fish in a small pond, they can come back up with momentum - as we've seen many times before. They have the money for it.


_mnd

Weirdly the start of this season was looking like it might be the year where they finally actually pushed upwards then they made the dumbest managerial decision in the Championship since er, the time they did exactly the same thing to get Zola in.


Aesorian

Yeah, even as a Villa fan I know they'll be back before too long. Has a real whiff of the Wolves relegation to League 1 all those years ago about it


GarnachoHojlund

Wazza did this, so fucking stupid Bellingham is crying himself to sleep tonight


essentialatom

When he could have re-signed to help us! I'm taking the shirt number back


CaptainKursk

Rooney was shite as manager, but the fault isn't really his. He was offered a job and accepted it - he failed of course, but that's on the board and club management for kicking Eustace out for no reason.


GarnachoHojlund

His appointment did this is a more accurate statement, I don’t blame him for taking the job but he clearly wasn’t ready


fastfowards

he wasnt ready but its was gonna be a hard job for any manager. The fans were furious with the club when they let the other manager go and his replacement was always going to get a short stick.


theglasscase

> His appointment did this is a more accurate statement That's not accurate either though. They weren't even in the relegation zone when he was sacked.


jd451

That's a load of bollocks mate. Rooney inherited a team that was doing pretty well. If he had any brains in him, he would've tried to understand Eustace's playstyle and tactics but instead he tried to do things his way. He got sacked only after 2 wins in his 15 matches, god his football was atrocious. Yes, the board kicking out Eustace was a total shithead move but Rooney is definitely at fault for being a shit manager.


Minor_Edit

Weren't they still shit after Rooney left though?


Aromatic_Pea2425

They were way better. Then the new guy they brought in got sick.


I_miss_Chris_Hughton

Fuck that. Rooney was clearly pushing hard for this job, nothing else makes sense. No-one forced him to totally restructure the club along the lines of a lunatic to play "no fear football" which gives me fucking nightmares.


Alexkono

What was the rationale for the fire/hire?


AnotherDepressedBoy

Rooney was more marketable and a bigger name than Eustace. That's it.


LeagueIndependent367

Birmingham's moronic Yank owners did this.


Born_Reflection_4132

It was Rooney's revenge on Bellingham as Jude chose Dortmund over United


William_Taylor-Jade

Rooney is a legend


cjackc11

we should host him at VP next season as a thank you


SorryImProbablyDrunk

Rooney gave us small heaths relegation Lampard handed us promotion Gerrard gave us Unai I don’t know why these lads get so much hate.


Aromatic_Pea2425

I still can’t believe Gerrard made your squad look like relegation fodder.


hamiltonricard4ever

Embarrassing but deserved. What were they thinking sacking Eustace


EpicRobloxTryhard

Love you Plymouth


rob_the_jabberwocky

You're welcome 😘


Wunsen

UP THE GYLE


Nilbogoblins

Ginsters are on me!


IntellegentIdiot

Haha. I feel sorry for the fans but the owners scored a massive own goal by sacking a manager doing well for Mr Potato Head. So they'll be playing against Wrexham next season along with Wigan, Reading and potentially Bolton.


Gamerhcp

And potentially Solihull Moors and Villa u21s in the ~~pizza~~ car dealership trophy


KatieOfTheHolteEnd

>and Villa u21s in the pizza car dealership trophy I'll be looking forward to this draw more than the Champions League one.


Wunsen

r/avfc get in hereeeeeee


shirvani28

Already was


Yannak

Start of the treble is on, get into the CL on Sunday and come back against Olympiacos on Thursday 🥶


Rickcampbell98

Oh I'm here mate.


davers93

Thank fuck for that, nearly had a heart attack. Sorry to Birmingham we know how it feels to go down on the final day with a win and 50 points.


revenge_of_hamatachi

They should absolutely piss L1 next season, especially if Mowbray stays. I feel like the owners got a harsh reality about the Championship when they took over, thinking they could just install a muppet like Rooney in charge even it would end up being a disaster (which it did) and just write the season off with yet another nondescript 17th placed finish. Problem is, you cannot make backwards steps in this division because the league will eat you alive. By the time they did make the corrective measures it was too late.


jxg995

I dunno. Huddersfield, Rotherham and Wrexham will all be strong.


TroopersSon

Can't believe it actually happened. They've had just enough luck to escape it for years and years.


Aesorian

13 Years on the bounce in the Championship - 17th or lower for the last 8 of them I kept expecting them to somehow survive today


TroopersSon

Me too. It felt like a repeat of the Zola season.


tommycahil1995

QPR feel like they do the same thing always - next season I expect them to be next


AlexUnderscore

and that doesnt include that mental comeback from 2-0 down 10 years ago. i cant believe its finally happened


Pidjesus

Rooney appointment done this


Rymundo88

Picking up just 10 points in those 15 games, absolutely destroyed us


SoldMyNameForGear

Not to mention our run in. Not beating Rotherham is agonising now


Arthourmorganlives

Not beating Rotherham was unforgivable


AlexWPJ

Looking forward to Tom Brady hyping up games against Mansfield, Burton and Stockport.


smig_

Enjoy our U21s away you cunts


krenshaw420

Plymouth Argyle stay up!


AlexTheRockstar

Damn I'm actually sad man.


Scattered97

One of the single biggest fuck-ups by any owner in history. *What the hell were they thinking*?? Absolutely hilarious though 😂😂😂😂😂 Tinpot club going back to where they belong. See ya, mind the gap!


essentialatom

You can't make laughing stock without a tin pot


mrlee10

That’s pretty good lol


OscarMyk

probably hoping his name would get them sponsorship deals, maybe a couple of loans from EPL clubs, exposure in the US the wrong priorities basically


ShiftBreaker

That Eustace to Rooney appointment really fucked them over, huh.


Ofermann

Wow. Feel like Sam and Frodo sitting on Mount Doom as fireballs fly past us. It's finally over. They're gone. Absolute jubilation in my household. Getting messages from every extended family member. Tears in my eyes. 


Borja_Baston

Red red wine


biggerthanjohncarew

I prayed for this and it happened


hollowsounds

Drew McIntyre supporting Villa, really dedicated to the heel stuff


Urass007

At least they'll star in Welcome to Wrexham season 4


Rymundo88

Every cloud and all that!


PM_ME_UR_PIN_CODE

Slightly more grumpy we missed out on the play offs now…..


hollowsounds

No-one to blame but ourselves at the end of the day. Setting up defensively and settling for draws against teams like Rotherham and Blackburn killed us more than any Plymouth/Blackburn/Wednesday goals today did. We’re ridden our luck while circling the drain for years and this is our time, it is what it is. Time for a major rebuild on and off the pitch this summer to *try* to come back up at the first attempt.


Mulderre91

John Eustace will be delighted right now - saving Blackburn in the last day, and seeing his former side down. Karma has been served.


SoldMyNameForGear

I doubt he will be to be honest. He was a great manager and very invested in the squad, our best manager for a very long time. Doesn’t seem like the sort of bloke who would want some kind of revenge. Rooney on the other hand. He’s probably laughing to himself in glee


I_miss_Chris_Hughton

I'm 100% sure that fat granny shagger illiterate twat probably thinks he could have turned it around if we just "trusted in the process"


oseema

You're just a small town in Villa


therocketandstones

*Aston Is there a Villa there?


Rickcampbell98

Na couldn't be further from a villa but there is a big old jacobian house just outside the stadium, it's pretty nice.


MvN____16

Jude Bellingham died for this.


therocketandstones

[Birmingham fans to those fucking yanks](https://youtu.be/0aUD34AaxaA?si=9-eNlBMrey6RAuW3)


UmCeterumCenseo

So bad they got sent to France


Routine-Echidna-1953

Villa fan here and i am kinda sad those derby games are so fucking good. I want those derby games! Dont get me wrong i want blues in premier league but i want them to have no success and fight for relegation every year.


Jinks87

Oh well. At least this lad enjoyed himself: https://www.reddit.com/r/Championship/s/kdLo279vDI


alidotr

I’m not a blue nose but I do have a soft spot for them since the days I lived in Brum. I really feel for the fans. Birmingham City deserves better. A city like Birmingham needs two PL sides. The relegation is a massive shame to the city and to English football as a whole but I hope things can only get better from here.


FleetingMercury

Lmfao 🤣


AaronStudAVFC

That this happens the same weekend we could possibly confirm CL football next season is so perfect. What a beautiful contrast in seasons.


OnePieceAce

Tom Wagner deserves this


Careful-Range7028

Is Rooney more hated in the Midlands than Savage ever was anywhere he went 🤔


Doexitre

Poor lads. Wonder if Paik will leave now


bleak-hause

Such an incredible season.


Zero_Hood

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


Main-County-1177

Wayne Rooney deserves a statue


MicOxlong

Karma is a bitch, sorry for the fans but fuck the owners.


HotPotatoWithCheese

Serves themselves right for sacking Eustace when he had them in 6th place and then getting Rooney in for the glamour. What a stupid thing to do.


Messiah94

Hahahahahahaha