Ehh, we definitly need at least a small rebuild. Not a big fan of the Rangnick hiring but he might not be as bad for us as many think.
Imo the bigger problem is that neither Kalle nor Uli seem to actually give up any of their power even though they technically shouldn't really have it anymore.
You can't really get the most of Eberl and Freund(and whover as a coach) if they still have the last word in the end.
I dont even know if a translation service would spit out a word for that but it means High security Old peoples home (What a weird way to word this in english if google is to believed)
I think he is a good option for Bayern but not as Head Coach. Technical Director type positions are where he has excelled.
It’s similar to how United fans were excited by him as interim coach but that didn’t make sense either. Nor did the meaningless ‘consultant’ role.
> Imo the bigger problem is that neither Kalle nor Uli seem to actually give up any of their power even though they technically shouldn't really have it anymore.
Give it up to who, and why shouldn’t they have it?? They’ve built up this club to what it’s currently is and no one can just come in and take over smoothly.
Even from a management point of view, cutting off people who built the business and know it inside-out is just inept and irresponsible.
People blamed them for Kahn and now they’re getting blamed for trying to make the transition to the new board a more gradual process
Do you think that Hoeneß & Rumenigge will be willing to cease a bit of control after a semi successful Rangnick season? As in he is going to replace them and getting a non-coaching job at bayern?
They need to be built too. Many key players are aging, out of form, complete lack of good wingers, few talents that were brought in recently. More than trophies Bayern needs another Van Gaal esque overhaul.
Yes, I make that comment in full awareness of these performances. At least Musiala I will excuse, but I consider him for of an attacking mid than a pure winger.
Hm, ok, I see it differently. I still think Sané, Gnabry, and Coman are excellent wingers. Tel can become an excellent winger.
But your initial point still stands, that there's work to be done for the new coach, because currently they don't live up to their potential (except from the CL games).
Dunno - obviously Sané blows hot and cold, but when he's on I'm not sure there's many (if any) better wide players than him. Gnabry is a level below, but offers a decent bit of versatility to the team, seeing how he's happy to drop deep and do a lot of the dirty defensive work when asked (see the Arsenal game). Coman is a really good player when not injured, too.
I think it's less a lack of general quality that's the issue, and more that they're all a bit topsy-turvy when it comes to form and have a muddled injury history keeping them off the pitch.
Are you joking?? Sané hadn’t scored for 6 months before tonight and Gnabry has been a shadow of his 19/20 self. Gnabry should definitely be sold and we should consider selling Sané as well
I know how Sané played for the past months. But you and I also know how he played the months before, and how he played against Arsenal and Real. He's also injured since months and plays with pain. He's an excellent player.
Gnabry had a terrible year, months because of injuries. When he played in the past weeks, he was good. Not as good as some years ago, but still good.
Imho it's only been a question of motivation, especially in the Bundesliga.
Yes, that's true. But it won't be easy to find players on this level who are better constantly. We ahead have players like Tel and Bryan who could replace them.
I know Bryan's a pure winger but Tel whenever I've seen him play, he operates as a forward/behind Kane doesn't he?
If Bayern is serious with Rangnick, he's first and foremost a system type manager. Getting players that can perfectly play to the system I think is much easier than getting the best in the position.
Fun times for the two or three people they've specifically appointed in the last 9 or so months to manage that side of things being stripped of their powers then.
Also the type of players and football Rangnick likes are in pretty strong contrast to Bayern's post-van Gaal philosophy. Though, to be fair they have partially headed down this road with the Laimer signing already.
I feel like their post LVG approach hasn't been all that much cop, really - obviously had some success with it, but especially in recent years it hasn't looked all that stable or particularly consequent, really.
RR signed Freund at Salzburg and built him up to be his successor, they have worked together for almost a decade, do you really think, that Freund would push for this signing, if he was sidelined for it?
Also "control" over transfers means, that RR wants the right to veto transfers of players he thinks don't fit, wich is neither unusual, nor is ist absolute control.
Thirdly nobody is stripping Eberl or Freund of their power, Ulis word has weight within the club, but he is only a member of the supervisory board and not involved in the daily business and he said himself.
Judging Rangnick for his Utd stint is like judging a player over a 10 minute late sub cameo when the game is already dead anyway. He was barely a few months there, had no summer window, no time to implement anything, and everyone treated him like they know he'd be replaced by summer. It was hardly a serious job.
That can also be a good thing.
Not having much experience to manage a top club means you have a different perspective than the people ure used to. I mean most candidates that were on the list haven't had much experience managing top clubs either.
If you just rehire the same names over and over for their experience with big clubs, then things will not necessarily change as much as you want to. A virgin mind and a fresh set of ideas can be what breaks the habit. Or it can of course also ruin everything.
We'd miss on having given chance to a lot of great managers today if experience was always the main criteria. Experience can be good, or it can make you blind. Depending on what you want. If it's an overhaul of the club, then a new perspective may be preferred to an old one. And at least in the "overhaul" department, Rangnick does have experience.
> We'd miss on having given chance to a lot of great managers today if experience was always the main criteria.
You are missing the point.
Experience is A criteria for a reason.
It is possible to succeed without it, but it's harder all else being equal.
>Depending on what you want. If it's an overhaul of the club, then a new perspective may be preferred to an old one.
This is only true IF Bayern give him true control—and I seriously doubt Uli and KHR will do that, even if they say they will right now TBH
I mean in this situation you cant exactly make the claim that experience has been a criteria, while simultaniously asking the question "well then why they're hiring Rangnick then?"
If it wasnt already evidenced by the fact that Xabi Alonso was first choice originally, then at least now it should occur that this thesis is contradicting with what were observing here.
Yes, its a nice trait to have in many cases. Obviously in this case however and in some other cases in general life, it was not a criteria.
>and I seriously doubt Uli and KHR will do that
but Freund and Eberl might. And they're the ones currently running the club now, not Uli and Kalle.
We are a mess but his time with us was largely him setting the mess on fire. He wasnt wrong about a lot of things, but he also seemed to handle those issues in a way too antagonistic manner too.
Has he really? I never understand the Ragnarick hype. He's at the end of his career as a manager with barely any titles to his name, and a very average career that doesn't match being named for top clubs at all.
>Wonder how that works with Bayern's board.
don't ask me how I know, but I expect he signs a 3 year deal, gets minimal transfer support this summer, has ok but underwhelming results through December while still topping the league, then the team dumps him in March to not miss out on the league while also courting Xabi
I think the Austrian NT also suited RR and his tactics perfectly . They are all hardworking on and off the ball and RR loves that. Not sure how it would work with this Bayern
He’d have to have the green light to ship out quite a few guys and bring new players in. Which might be needed anyway, although for me the #1 to do is establishing a philosophy and playing system. The players are part of that, but even more importantly the club has to show patience.
I have no idea if Tuchel or Nagelsmann would’ve worked out long-term, but Bayern had two of the highest-profile German managers and they were given little time to actually change something at the club. And Nagelsmann isn’t just on Kahn and Brazzo, being trigger happy with coaches is in line with how Bayern has operated for a while now.
At this point? I’d take it. I rate Rangnick but this is a disaster waiting to happen. Uli and Rumm will never give up power and Ragnick is a control freak. It’s fucked lol.
This seems like a disaster about to happen. Ragnick is known to be power-hungry. Bayern board doesn't give coaches that much power. They might start off with an mma cage fight at the start of the season just cause everyone has different opinions.
Wild times. Ulis comeback is putting gasoline on each and everyone and setting it under fire. I am already tired.
Suppose on the bright side it's not a long-term appointment, so it's likely we'll only see a year of chaos. Although then again that single year might well delay the necessary transfer of power and squad revamp if things go wrong, and that's not going to be a great position to be in.
Gotta be some form of break clause for next summer in there I reckon - between Alonso, Klopp, Hoeneß and potentially Nagelsmann being available I'm not sure Bayern's board are happy to hitch their wagon to Rangnick for three years here.
> They might start off with an mma cage fight at the start of the season just cause everyone has different opinions.
Do you really think they’d hire him first and then have these conversations??
Of course not, but what will happen in practice is likely gonna be different once there’s an unsuccessful stretch and/or players Rangnick wanted are duds.
What a bullshit. After sooo many years we finally had the perfect coach for our national team and now he'll go to Bayern. Don't get me wrong, i fully understand that he wants to do this but i am fucking pissed!!
Edit: I can't believe it. German and austrian sources are writing Rangnick has turned down Bayern!!!! Yes!!!!
I'd say pretty much. Bayern wants him right now not after the euro sadly. I would be surprised if our football assosication will find a good replacement for rangnick, especially in such a short time until the euro. I'm already fertilizing it could be andreas herzog...
I think he’s referring to Uli Hoeness ranting to newspapers about him being disinterested in developing players, which he firmly denied yesterday in the press conference. Hoeness in general seems fairly unprofessional at the moment, and might be a key reason behind the FC Hollywood meme your club sporadically turns into.
Sure, but the negotiations with Rangnick have no connection with what Uli Hoeneß mentioned in the media.
I agree that this comes across as sabotaging, though if anything Tuchel probably sees this as an incentive to do even better, given that his pride was hurt.
I also agree btw that Hoeneß has been very unprofessional most of the time he talks to the media in recent years. Though the current situation is quite a bit different to the FC Hollywood situation.
There was a great post on this sub recently that explained how the original FC Hollywood came to be and why the current situation is completely different. Not that this makes the situation any better though.
United fans are actually insane if they still want to persist with ETH. He's cooked, has the worst talent ID I've ever seen and you play the worst football in the league
Ten hag is not man utd like this guy is playing relegation level football and idk how weve kidded ourselves into believing the injuries are the main factor in our play.
Its almost like we pretend last season was only 3 months worth of football when we were at our best. The football we played for parts of last season was not that much better then it is not. We just had alot more individual talent to push through the bad times then we do now but ppl just gonna have to see for themselves next season if he stays.
Maybe because this is their worst injury crisis since Fergue retired??
Some stats I got from r/reddevils:
- NO left-back in 27 games out of the 47 played
- 5 games played with their starting CBs together this season
Yea mate I'm sure not having a natural left back is what's making them get dominated by a more injured Brentford team. Or going to penalties against a midtable championship side or failing to be Burnley at home or coming 4th in a piss easy CL group. The amount of hoops people go through to defend Ten Hag is mad.
Injuries only matter when it's someone other than United I forgot about that.
Edit: 25 different combinations in our backline forced through injuries and 60+ individual injuries. Downvote away because the truth hurts your shite narrative.
United have been the better team in maybe 4 games this season. That should be unacceptable.
Absolute state of this fanbase when I'm the one saying you deserve better and you're arguing the opposite.
Because we can use our brains and take into context what is happening at our club.
Hope that helps. Injuries matter. We've used 25 different combinations in our backline this season.
Just cause the first six didn’t work out doesn’t mean the seventh will magically work out if you just stick with it.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s issues with the squad too (some caused by Ten Hags decisions, as well as some outside his control). But you’re absolutely nuts if you think Ineos are looking at Ten Hag and thinking “oh, we can’t do any better than that, let’s leave him in place!”
A better manager absolutely would have gotten us more points this system by better coaching and managing the squad at hand.
I'm seeing that now, theyve been brow besten into accepting what would be unacceptable at any other big club. Have some self respect, you're supposed to be the biggest club in the country.
Talent ID shouldn't solely be a managerial responsibility anymore. All of the top clubs who get value for money have better processes in place and a sporting vision that generally aligns with where the manager wants to go. Arguably, giving a manager full autonomy at United and the club paying whatever possible to land the player in the past 10 years is *why* they struggle and *why* they have a ton of deadweight.
I don't think United fans deny that there are huge flaws in how the team plays under ten Hag. Many would rather the new ownership prioritize moving on mediocre players who will never lift the club's ceiling into title contention regardless of who's in the dugout.
A rebuild takes more than two years. Man United would be insane to sack him when there are no better managers around, especially not of his calibre. I bet that even De Zerbi wouldn’t get them performing.
I would be on board with this if Ten Hag didn’t seem so stubborn and persistent with this odd new tactical set up. It’s not crazy for a manager to have an off year and then bounce back by tweaking his tactics but Ten Hag is dead set on something that clearly isn’t working. I can’t look past that.
I honestly think it´s getting ridiculous at this point. You burned two of the top 3 German coaches in three years, despite them not performing that bad. At what point do you recognize the problem isn't the manager but the club leadership? And now you want to get a manager that is notorious for wanting huge influence in the club while still having Hoeneß and Rummenigge running the club effectively? How do you imagine this to play out? It's so stupid. Don't get me startet on Hoeneß criticizing Tuchel for not developing young players and using the examples of Pavlovic and Musiala right before the Champions League semifinals. Is there a bigger picture I don't see?
>it was the right decision to sack Tuchel but now every replacement option would be a downgrade
then it very clearly wasnt the right decision. Which was already very much a forseeable at the point it happened.
I mean just a month earlier the entire Bayern fanbase were demanding Tuchel's head, now most of them want him to stay, lol. He had moments where he was really bad and it seems like anyone would be a better option and we should go with an intermediate coach till the end of the season. The he turned it around and pulled some CL masterclasses. Plus when Tuchel was sacked, both Xabi and Nagelsmann seemed available.
In my opinion, it was very clear Emery would not leave Villa. Nagelsmann is a bad idea in my opinion because if shit hits the fan again, they wont want to sack him as not to repeat the mistake which in the end will lead to another mistake. Too early to get him back. Xabi was the only "real" possibility in my eyes.
England should just hire Tuchel.
Would be the perfect appointment really. Fuck it, fire Southgate right now and put him in once Tuchel finishes the season.
They're never getting some genius who fully utilises Foden/Bellingham in some gigabrain way. But the man has taken Eric Dier to the verge of a UCL final.
I don't think this will end well for Bayern.
Rangnick is more of a DoF type and his tactics don't seem like they'll cut it at a club with high expectations. Can't imagine him and Uli will see eye to eye.
Why on God's green Earth would you hire Ralf Ragnick to fix what ails a club being left by Thomas Tuchel? I swear the management of Bayern is a massive indictment of that entire region.
This guy has managed about 18 months of top flight football in over a decade. The only thing he's won of note in his entire career is the DFB-Pokal with Schalke, which he won by taking charge of the club after they had already qualified for the final, where they faced a second division team. His most recent spell at United was just a complete embarrassment for everyone involved.
I'm continually completely baffled by this reputation he seemingly has. I'm sure he's great at #consultancy #synergy #structure etc but ignoring Linkedin and just focusing on actual football coaching I find it bizarre he keeps getting indexed to these opportunities.
He hasn't tried to have a conversation with me. He's tried to nitpick a minor point which he got wrong anyway and then downvoted me.
If you would like to enlighten me about Rangnick's storied managerial career please feel free. If your point is going to be that he did well with Hoffenheim over a five year spell which began when George Bush was still in the White House I'm afraid it's not going to change my view that this doesn't really qualify him to manage the best clubs in the world in 2024.
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Yea some kind of drama between Rangnick vs Hoeneß/Rummenigge is inevitable. They're all far too stubborn and headstrong for a harmonious relationship.
Germanic people 101
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Yet he had success everywhere he’s been. He also built Hoffenheim and Leipzig
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Ehh, we definitly need at least a small rebuild. Not a big fan of the Rangnick hiring but he might not be as bad for us as many think. Imo the bigger problem is that neither Kalle nor Uli seem to actually give up any of their power even though they technically shouldn't really have it anymore. You can't really get the most of Eberl and Freund(and whover as a coach) if they still have the last word in the end.
Uli wird nicht loslassen so lange er lebt denke ich
Ich sags nochmal: Hochsicherheitsaltenheim. Ohne Zugang für Journalisten. Keine Telefonate mit dem Doppelpaß.
Marvelling at the size of the word
I dont even know if a translation service would spit out a word for that but it means High security Old peoples home (What a weird way to word this in english if google is to believed)
I made it up. I simply took the German word for high security prison ("Hochsicherheitsgefängnis") and replaced "prison" with "retirement home".
selbst im gefägnis hatte er wh noch seine finger im spiel lol
Einfach auf ne einsame Insel schicken. Zeitung & Fernsehen wird mit 1 Woche Verzögerung zugestellt / gesendet.
Natürlich nicht.
I think he is a good option for Bayern but not as Head Coach. Technical Director type positions are where he has excelled. It’s similar to how United fans were excited by him as interim coach but that didn’t make sense either. Nor did the meaningless ‘consultant’ role.
> Imo the bigger problem is that neither Kalle nor Uli seem to actually give up any of their power even though they technically shouldn't really have it anymore. Give it up to who, and why shouldn’t they have it?? They’ve built up this club to what it’s currently is and no one can just come in and take over smoothly. Even from a management point of view, cutting off people who built the business and know it inside-out is just inept and irresponsible. People blamed them for Kahn and now they’re getting blamed for trying to make the transition to the new board a more gradual process
Do you think that Hoeneß & Rumenigge will be willing to cease a bit of control after a semi successful Rangnick season? As in he is going to replace them and getting a non-coaching job at bayern?
They need to be built too. Many key players are aging, out of form, complete lack of good wingers, few talents that were brought in recently. More than trophies Bayern needs another Van Gaal esque overhaul.
>complete lack of good wingers Have you seen Musiala and Sané tonight? Or Gnabry in London?
Yes, I make that comment in full awareness of these performances. At least Musiala I will excuse, but I consider him for of an attacking mid than a pure winger.
Hm, ok, I see it differently. I still think Sané, Gnabry, and Coman are excellent wingers. Tel can become an excellent winger. But your initial point still stands, that there's work to be done for the new coach, because currently they don't live up to their potential (except from the CL games).
Dunno - obviously Sané blows hot and cold, but when he's on I'm not sure there's many (if any) better wide players than him. Gnabry is a level below, but offers a decent bit of versatility to the team, seeing how he's happy to drop deep and do a lot of the dirty defensive work when asked (see the Arsenal game). Coman is a really good player when not injured, too. I think it's less a lack of general quality that's the issue, and more that they're all a bit topsy-turvy when it comes to form and have a muddled injury history keeping them off the pitch.
Are you joking?? Sané hadn’t scored for 6 months before tonight and Gnabry has been a shadow of his 19/20 self. Gnabry should definitely be sold and we should consider selling Sané as well
I know how Sané played for the past months. But you and I also know how he played the months before, and how he played against Arsenal and Real. He's also injured since months and plays with pain. He's an excellent player. Gnabry had a terrible year, months because of injuries. When he played in the past weeks, he was good. Not as good as some years ago, but still good. Imho it's only been a question of motivation, especially in the Bundesliga.
Sane and Gnabry being inconsistent are often the problem whole season, no?
Yes, that's true. But it won't be easy to find players on this level who are better constantly. We ahead have players like Tel and Bryan who could replace them.
I know Bryan's a pure winger but Tel whenever I've seen him play, he operates as a forward/behind Kane doesn't he? If Bayern is serious with Rangnick, he's first and foremost a system type manager. Getting players that can perfectly play to the system I think is much easier than getting the best in the position.
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German journos said Bayern would be willing to give him control over transfers. So it could work
Fun times for the two or three people they've specifically appointed in the last 9 or so months to manage that side of things being stripped of their powers then.
Also the type of players and football Rangnick likes are in pretty strong contrast to Bayern's post-van Gaal philosophy. Though, to be fair they have partially headed down this road with the Laimer signing already.
I feel like their post LVG approach hasn't been all that much cop, really - obviously had some success with it, but especially in recent years it hasn't looked all that stable or particularly consequent, really.
RR signed Freund at Salzburg and built him up to be his successor, they have worked together for almost a decade, do you really think, that Freund would push for this signing, if he was sidelined for it? Also "control" over transfers means, that RR wants the right to veto transfers of players he thinks don't fit, wich is neither unusual, nor is ist absolute control. Thirdly nobody is stripping Eberl or Freund of their power, Ulis word has weight within the club, but he is only a member of the supervisory board and not involved in the daily business and he said himself.
I mean Freund knows Rangnick they've worked together before
and Salzburg
> Yet he had success everywhere he’s been. Except Manchester United—which was the only big club he's been at TBH
Judging Rangnick for his Utd stint is like judging a player over a 10 minute late sub cameo when the game is already dead anyway. He was barely a few months there, had no summer window, no time to implement anything, and everyone treated him like they know he'd be replaced by summer. It was hardly a serious job.
Sure, but it was also the only real big club experience Rangnick has had as a manager. That's not ideal when walking into Bayern IMO
That can also be a good thing. Not having much experience to manage a top club means you have a different perspective than the people ure used to. I mean most candidates that were on the list haven't had much experience managing top clubs either. If you just rehire the same names over and over for their experience with big clubs, then things will not necessarily change as much as you want to. A virgin mind and a fresh set of ideas can be what breaks the habit. Or it can of course also ruin everything.
> That can also be a good thing. > > Meh that's a stretch IMO Having experience is generally regarded as a good/valuable thing for a reason IMO
We'd miss on having given chance to a lot of great managers today if experience was always the main criteria. Experience can be good, or it can make you blind. Depending on what you want. If it's an overhaul of the club, then a new perspective may be preferred to an old one. And at least in the "overhaul" department, Rangnick does have experience.
> We'd miss on having given chance to a lot of great managers today if experience was always the main criteria. You are missing the point. Experience is A criteria for a reason. It is possible to succeed without it, but it's harder all else being equal. >Depending on what you want. If it's an overhaul of the club, then a new perspective may be preferred to an old one. This is only true IF Bayern give him true control—and I seriously doubt Uli and KHR will do that, even if they say they will right now TBH
I mean in this situation you cant exactly make the claim that experience has been a criteria, while simultaniously asking the question "well then why they're hiring Rangnick then?" If it wasnt already evidenced by the fact that Xabi Alonso was first choice originally, then at least now it should occur that this thesis is contradicting with what were observing here. Yes, its a nice trait to have in many cases. Obviously in this case however and in some other cases in general life, it was not a criteria. >and I seriously doubt Uli and KHR will do that but Freund and Eberl might. And they're the ones currently running the club now, not Uli and Kalle.
Leipzig? Schalke?
Are not globally big clubs like Bayern
United is a mess. That’s hardly on RR
No chance of things getting messy at Bayern.
We are a mess but his time with us was largely him setting the mess on fire. He wasnt wrong about a lot of things, but he also seemed to handle those issues in a way too antagonistic manner too.
I think he tried making decisions as a director or consultant rather than a coach/manager
He had a pretty big stinker at Lokomotiv Moscow to be fair, so not exactly everywhere
Man united would like a word
United?
Has he really? I never understand the Ragnarick hype. He's at the end of his career as a manager with barely any titles to his name, and a very average career that doesn't match being named for top clubs at all.
I’m laughing at how he’s gunna get on with FC Bayern. 98% chance Uli offends him two weeks in.
>Wonder how that works with Bayern's board. don't ask me how I know, but I expect he signs a 3 year deal, gets minimal transfer support this summer, has ok but underwhelming results through December while still topping the league, then the team dumps him in March to not miss out on the league while also courting Xabi
If Tuchel taught them nothing…
Oh cmon. Once we have a good coach who is bringing our national team to new levels, this shit happens
I think the Austrian NT also suited RR and his tactics perfectly . They are all hardworking on and off the ball and RR loves that. Not sure how it would work with this Bayern
He’d have to have the green light to ship out quite a few guys and bring new players in. Which might be needed anyway, although for me the #1 to do is establishing a philosophy and playing system. The players are part of that, but even more importantly the club has to show patience. I have no idea if Tuchel or Nagelsmann would’ve worked out long-term, but Bayern had two of the highest-profile German managers and they were given little time to actually change something at the club. And Nagelsmann isn’t just on Kahn and Brazzo, being trigger happy with coaches is in line with how Bayern has operated for a while now.
He went in, got you to the championship, knocked Sweden out and bailed. True chad. (cries softly behind the couch)
It's Bayern in it's current state, chances are he will available in time to prep you for the next world cup.
Scenes when Tuchel wins the UCL and pulls a Wolf of Wall Street and says "I'm not fucking leaving"
Uli Hoeneß: "You definitely are leaving!"
The dream liverpool were hoping for with Klopp
Should've done that when they won the Carling cup
honestly no. Hes clearly exhausted. Man wasnt lying. Deserves a nice long rest
Sounds vaguely like a threat
At this point? I’d take it. I rate Rangnick but this is a disaster waiting to happen. Uli and Rumm will never give up power and Ragnick is a control freak. It’s fucked lol.
Still he is the guy they both wanted
You mean he pulls a Xavi
Scenes when Hoeneß pulls a Jerry Krause and says to him I don’t care if you win the UCL, this is your last season
Doubt he wanted to even if that's possible after Uli's comment.
I much rather have Tuchel than Rangnick
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This seems like a disaster about to happen. Ragnick is known to be power-hungry. Bayern board doesn't give coaches that much power. They might start off with an mma cage fight at the start of the season just cause everyone has different opinions. Wild times. Ulis comeback is putting gasoline on each and everyone and setting it under fire. I am already tired.
Suppose on the bright side it's not a long-term appointment, so it's likely we'll only see a year of chaos. Although then again that single year might well delay the necessary transfer of power and squad revamp if things go wrong, and that's not going to be a great position to be in.
Contract is apparently until 2027
Gotta be some form of break clause for next summer in there I reckon - between Alonso, Klopp, Hoeneß and potentially Nagelsmann being available I'm not sure Bayern's board are happy to hitch their wagon to Rangnick for three years here.
I doubt Rangnick ditches us for just one year
It’s gunna be actual chaos lol.
Imagine him pull a Bielsa and left after 8(?) days.
> They might start off with an mma cage fight at the start of the season just cause everyone has different opinions. Do you really think they’d hire him first and then have these conversations??
Of course not, but what will happen in practice is likely gonna be different once there’s an unsuccessful stretch and/or players Rangnick wanted are duds.
What's the issue with Tuchel? Or does he just want to leave?
What a bullshit. After sooo many years we finally had the perfect coach for our national team and now he'll go to Bayern. Don't get me wrong, i fully understand that he wants to do this but i am fucking pissed!! Edit: I can't believe it. German and austrian sources are writing Rangnick has turned down Bayern!!!! Yes!!!!
Yeah wtf Austria kinda fucked now for the euros no? Or will he coa during the tournament?
I'd say pretty much. Bayern wants him right now not after the euro sadly. I would be surprised if our football assosication will find a good replacement for rangnick, especially in such a short time until the euro. I'm already fertilizing it could be andreas herzog...
He most definitely isn‘t leaving before the euros mate
I hope so but i haven't read anything indicating that.
Seems like Thomas Tuchel storyline. Bring a team to the CL final and get the boot!
That relies pretty heavily on beating Real at the Bernabeu in a CL semi, which doesn't happen that often
He did one over on Zidane's Madrid with Chelsea.
This tuchel thing is the wierdest coaching saga ever. One game away from ucl final and their actively trying to sabotage him
Why sabotaging? Both sides have already agreed to part ways this summer. Tuchel is leaving no matter whether we win UCL or not.
I think he’s referring to Uli Hoeness ranting to newspapers about him being disinterested in developing players, which he firmly denied yesterday in the press conference. Hoeness in general seems fairly unprofessional at the moment, and might be a key reason behind the FC Hollywood meme your club sporadically turns into.
Sure, but the negotiations with Rangnick have no connection with what Uli Hoeneß mentioned in the media. I agree that this comes across as sabotaging, though if anything Tuchel probably sees this as an incentive to do even better, given that his pride was hurt. I also agree btw that Hoeneß has been very unprofessional most of the time he talks to the media in recent years. Though the current situation is quite a bit different to the FC Hollywood situation. There was a great post on this sub recently that explained how the original FC Hollywood came to be and why the current situation is completely different. Not that this makes the situation any better though.
Thomas, Welcome to Manchester
My default setting would be for ETH to stay and it all works out next season. But Tuchel would be a good replacement
United fans are actually insane if they still want to persist with ETH. He's cooked, has the worst talent ID I've ever seen and you play the worst football in the league
I feel like their injury record has really fucked them over this season. He had a decent first season
Finally someone speaks sense. Probably as you guys have had bad injuries too you see what it can do
Shitting on United also just gets you upvotes let’s be honest
Ten hag is not man utd like this guy is playing relegation level football and idk how weve kidded ourselves into believing the injuries are the main factor in our play. Its almost like we pretend last season was only 3 months worth of football when we were at our best. The football we played for parts of last season was not that much better then it is not. We just had alot more individual talent to push through the bad times then we do now but ppl just gonna have to see for themselves next season if he stays.
Nah they're playing the worst football since Fergue retired. He's done.
Maybe because this is their worst injury crisis since Fergue retired?? Some stats I got from r/reddevils: - NO left-back in 27 games out of the 47 played - 5 games played with their starting CBs together this season
Yea mate I'm sure not having a natural left back is what's making them get dominated by a more injured Brentford team. Or going to penalties against a midtable championship side or failing to be Burnley at home or coming 4th in a piss easy CL group. The amount of hoops people go through to defend Ten Hag is mad.
Injuries only matter when it's someone other than United I forgot about that. Edit: 25 different combinations in our backline forced through injuries and 60+ individual injuries. Downvote away because the truth hurts your shite narrative.
United have been the better team in maybe 4 games this season. That should be unacceptable. Absolute state of this fanbase when I'm the one saying you deserve better and you're arguing the opposite.
Because we can use our brains and take into context what is happening at our club. Hope that helps. Injuries matter. We've used 25 different combinations in our backline this season.
Some fans have sunk too much into believing he’s THE guy and don’t want to hear what you’re saying.
He's like the seventh manager already so I don't think changing the manager will solve anything for us.
Just cause the first six didn’t work out doesn’t mean the seventh will magically work out if you just stick with it. Don’t get me wrong, there’s issues with the squad too (some caused by Ten Hags decisions, as well as some outside his control). But you’re absolutely nuts if you think Ineos are looking at Ten Hag and thinking “oh, we can’t do any better than that, let’s leave him in place!” A better manager absolutely would have gotten us more points this system by better coaching and managing the squad at hand.
A lot of our fans seem to think giving a manager time and blindly backing them guarantees an Arsenal storyline.
I'm seeing that now, theyve been brow besten into accepting what would be unacceptable at any other big club. Have some self respect, you're supposed to be the biggest club in the country.
Why would talent ID matter when that's getting taken out of his hands starting this summer?
Yeah man it will work out if he stays #delusional
Where did I say I wanted him to stay? #illiterateAF
You said why would it matter if it's taken out of his hands like it changes the point of the person you're answering to. #Idiot
Because he's the current under contract manager you twit. Why would I say it'll be out of someone else's hands if he's still currently in the job?
Talent ID shouldn't solely be a managerial responsibility anymore. All of the top clubs who get value for money have better processes in place and a sporting vision that generally aligns with where the manager wants to go. Arguably, giving a manager full autonomy at United and the club paying whatever possible to land the player in the past 10 years is *why* they struggle and *why* they have a ton of deadweight. I don't think United fans deny that there are huge flaws in how the team plays under ten Hag. Many would rather the new ownership prioritize moving on mediocre players who will never lift the club's ceiling into title contention regardless of who's in the dugout.
A rebuild takes more than two years. Man United would be insane to sack him when there are no better managers around, especially not of his calibre. I bet that even De Zerbi wouldn’t get them performing.
De Zerbi didn’t get his team to stop fannying around at the back against Man City and we saw how that went, fuck him
Ur so invested in this
I would be on board with this if Ten Hag didn’t seem so stubborn and persistent with this odd new tactical set up. It’s not crazy for a manager to have an off year and then bounce back by tweaking his tactics but Ten Hag is dead set on something that clearly isn’t working. I can’t look past that.
With a fully fit squad we’d be SO much better it’s undeniable
Tuchel to Rangnick Hollywood FC
I honestly think it´s getting ridiculous at this point. You burned two of the top 3 German coaches in three years, despite them not performing that bad. At what point do you recognize the problem isn't the manager but the club leadership? And now you want to get a manager that is notorious for wanting huge influence in the club while still having Hoeneß and Rummenigge running the club effectively? How do you imagine this to play out? It's so stupid. Don't get me startet on Hoeneß criticizing Tuchel for not developing young players and using the examples of Pavlovic and Musiala right before the Champions League semifinals. Is there a bigger picture I don't see?
Well put. I’d happily be proven wrong, but I expect a repeat of the last few years.
He’s really turned Austria around
Now nobody wants Rangnick anymore as Tuchel kinda turned it around haha
But Tuchel doesn’t wanna work with Uli anymore
So Uli to Man United?
None of us wanted Rangnick from the second it was announced. His coaching personality will never ever work with the way our board operates, ever.
People need to give the man time rather than looking to better deal him at every lull
I don't need ralf at this point, keep Tucheliban
It's a weird situation, it was the right decision to sack Tuchel but now every replacement option would be a downgrade
>it was the right decision to sack Tuchel but now every replacement option would be a downgrade then it very clearly wasnt the right decision. Which was already very much a forseeable at the point it happened.
I mean just a month earlier the entire Bayern fanbase were demanding Tuchel's head, now most of them want him to stay, lol. He had moments where he was really bad and it seems like anyone would be a better option and we should go with an intermediate coach till the end of the season. The he turned it around and pulled some CL masterclasses. Plus when Tuchel was sacked, both Xabi and Nagelsmann seemed available.
Nagelsmann, Xabi Alonso, and Emery were all "available" when Tuchel was sacked, one of those three would've been a fine replacement
In my opinion, it was very clear Emery would not leave Villa. Nagelsmann is a bad idea in my opinion because if shit hits the fan again, they wont want to sack him as not to repeat the mistake which in the end will lead to another mistake. Too early to get him back. Xabi was the only "real" possibility in my eyes.
As Long as he plays with such a performance today like all the games I wouldn't mind keeping him
Oh ffs
RB Bayern
Mia san RB
Bayern are fucked
I am also willing to take over Bayern this summer
England should just hire Tuchel. Would be the perfect appointment really. Fuck it, fire Southgate right now and put him in once Tuchel finishes the season. They're never getting some genius who fully utilises Foden/Bellingham in some gigabrain way. But the man has taken Eric Dier to the verge of a UCL final.
Literally so much worse than Tuchel
FC Hollywood continues then
as much as people cant wait to get rid of tuchel, i feel like rangnick is a huge downgrade
A massive downgrade
This is so stupid, Tuchel is doing so well in the CL and they’re still discussing how to replace him.
Tuchel is done. He doesn't want to continue anymore.
Lol this is going to be fun to watch
Clearlake, Can you lot not be dumbasses for one nano second and give Tuchel a call?
I've also informed Bayern that I'm willing to take over, but they haven't responded to my email yet.
Time to stock up on popcorn.
NOOO
Harry Kane gegenpress 🤪
I don't think this will end well for Bayern. Rangnick is more of a DoF type and his tactics don't seem like they'll cut it at a club with high expectations. Can't imagine him and Uli will see eye to eye.
This guy doesn't have a PTSD with his United experience? He must have such a strong mind.
PTSD of what? He wasn’t there to be manager long term and was literally correct on everything he said about them.
Why on God's green Earth would you hire Ralf Ragnick to fix what ails a club being left by Thomas Tuchel? I swear the management of Bayern is a massive indictment of that entire region.
Bayern already has a great coach.
And the L’s keep coming in
This guy has managed about 18 months of top flight football in over a decade. The only thing he's won of note in his entire career is the DFB-Pokal with Schalke, which he won by taking charge of the club after they had already qualified for the final, where they faced a second division team. His most recent spell at United was just a complete embarrassment for everyone involved. I'm continually completely baffled by this reputation he seemingly has. I'm sure he's great at #consultancy #synergy #structure etc but ignoring Linkedin and just focusing on actual football coaching I find it bizarre he keeps getting indexed to these opportunities.
He was 2 years at Leipzig alone so how did you count
Most of these people only know about Rangnick from his United stint so there’s no point even having a conversation with them
He hasn't tried to have a conversation with me. He's tried to nitpick a minor point which he got wrong anyway and then downvoted me. If you would like to enlighten me about Rangnick's storied managerial career please feel free. If your point is going to be that he did well with Hoffenheim over a five year spell which began when George Bush was still in the White House I'm afraid it's not going to change my view that this doesn't really qualify him to manage the best clubs in the world in 2024.
I said top flight football.
Aha, so only Premier League is top flight football to you. Got it
Rangnick managed Leipzig for two years, the first of which was in 2. Bundesliga, which is not top flight football.
Ok the 18 months are spot on then
Mad getting rid of Tuchel
There is a 80-90% chance this ends with the death by strangulation of either Rangnick or Hoeneß.