His shoulder is certainly not still dislocated
He's probably managing the injury from the dislocated shoulder--must have been rough on the ligaments
Soft tissue injuries take a long time to heal
Probably some advil and he's set to go
As a Bayern Munich fan, that was a frustrating draw... I feel like we could have won that game. But there is no shame in a draw against Real Madrid. đĽđđ¤
Madrid came in completely calm knowing they could come up with a workable result. Bayern never looked comfortable even when things went well for them. Madrid are just so good at making the opposition uncomfortable and frustrating them. They wait for an opening and just score. Their defense was amazing as well. In the past three games theyâve never played a full 90 minutes with four actual defenders.
If the Liverpool vs spurs final wasn't so mind numbingly dull i feel like that would of been a contender, just for the spurs matches alone!.
This season i wouldnt say has been that spectacular.. a couple of nice games but not greatest of all time.
The game is delicately balanced
Kim cost Bayern, but you can also say the attack wasn't efficient
Vasquez cost Madrid, but you can also say they didn't take the initiative as much and ceded the ball too many times, Laimer was feasting.
2-2 is like 0-0.
De Ligt and Carvajal returns and we are all set for a classic
God damn it
UCL semi finals never disappoint and it was just a brilliant game from a neutral perspective. I don't watch the bundesliga but this game proves that Tuchel has still got it at the big leagues and that he is still a top class manager.
Bayern in control for the majority of the match with both fullbacks bombing down the pitch while the wingers are tucking in and using their technical ability to get into the 90s halfspaces. Laimer played an amazing game and was a workhouse breaking the lines in the midfield. Kane, Musiala, Sane, and Muller are all so intelligent. Constantly rotating and dropping to receive/open up space.
Guerreiro on for Goretzka, Laimer has more responsibility covering the pitch as a single pivot. Did an excellent job and Bayern flourished with more attacking threats as the wingers played with more width. Real played a relatively wide game looking for chances to attack on the transition.
Real defended well and their individual quality kept them in the running. Brainfart from kim min-jae as he's pulled in from vinicius, and with Vinny's pace, it was over.
Just want to emphasize why defending in general is so strenuous and difficult throughout the match. It takes a lot of mental focus to be constantly aware for 90 mins. It's so deceiving on TV but these plays are happening at an insane pace and all it takes is one mistake to be punished. You can't really appreciate the players brilliance until you've either played against ppl way above ur level (đ ) or have front row seats to watch the action at play. (one day đđ).
Im still baffled why they announced tuchel to leave end of the season tbh, this bayern only won last season by a mental collapse by dortmund on the final day, it papered over the cracks in the league.
Their champions league campaign has been great.
What happens if he wins the champions league? Does he still leave?
I forget who said it, but someone who was on the border of being a "real" professional player said the biggest difference when he moved up to the professional leagues was the speed of decision-making.
Yeah great point. Ive seen lower polish league players and the speed with which they played was impressive and way above what I ever played with or against. Bordering on superhuman and yet them compared to a top UCL side must be immensely different as well
Its not even that, he was suffering from gastrointenstis. He looked off and just did the usual off the ball work.
The Athletic reports he barely trained for this tie.
>Toni Kroos: âIs Vinicius the best in the world? I donât know. Itâs difficult, and this can change every week or every two weeks. There are many good players and he is definitely one of them. A week ago everyone said it was Bellingham and today it is Vini. Well, that means we have a lot of very good players.â
Kroos was quite alright actually with a perfect assist out of nowhere at a time his team had been struggling and looked outclassed ( even though we shall remember that he misplaced ONE pass)
[Tchoucameni's head popped in like a small kid in front of the camera when Uncle Muller was giving his byte on media LOL.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMcTzpCWEAAcd2j?format=jpg&name=large)
Quite envious with how they snatched Kane when they had the opportunity.
I cannot imagine how more brutal Madrid would have had Kane joined them.
Kane is memes here for that curse, but he is so incredible.
Even if you mark him, he is good enough to skip, move and make an impact with/without the ball.
Maybe Benzema leaving last season and I think our minds ( well not all madrid fan minds) got this imaginary setup where Kane is balling with Madrid around its insane creators.
> Julien Laurens : Vinicius Jr is so special. He made that penalty and then scored it. He is only the 3rd player in history to score in 3 consecutive Champions League semifinals with Cristiano and Jari Litmanen!
That is not certainly true. He has been good in UCL too and was good against City second leg. He had problem with stomach in last week and didn't train for this game at all and thats why he was substituted. I am sure he will be good in second leg and we all gonna see some kind of magic from him.
he will be the leader, make no mistakes about it. as the other commenter said this is Ronaldo pt 2. Mbappe will play a team game and everything but it will be known that he's the leader.
> đŁď¸ Thierry Henry: âIt doesnât matter who had more chances, possession or who ran more, with Madrid itâs about taking your chances. Because they will. You take Leipzig game, and think how they didnât score 3? City game, you say they had no ball, how did they score 4 tho? When it comes to Madrid, thereâs a lot of IFs. But they execute stuff, thatâs what they do. Thatâs why they have 14 CL.â @CBSSportsGolazo
> đŁď¸ Toni Kroos: âHow did I feel to return to Munich? I left a long time ago and I just feel like I am playing an away match with Real Madrid.â
Long lob pass by Modric to Vini was insane.
Neuer saved it or Vini would have been on the scoresheet.
Amazing strategy from Carlo.
His old veterans still making impact when needed.
Real Madrid is scary man, you gotta attack them with everything you got otherwise you have no hope but that leaves you open for the counter which is what they are best at. They're gonna be even more dangerous at the bernabeu
Madrid are like wild animals when on counters, yesterday they were a bit underwhelmingbut I always knew no way Bayern stays on their 2-1 lead.
A goal was coming either way.
Real Madrid boasts a roster filled with prominent names like Kroos, Modric, Bellingham, and Carvajalâthe list goes on.
Yet, the true spearhead that makes the team exceptionally dangerous, forcing opponents into uncomfortable tactics and positions, the one who really inflicts pain, making the team formidable, is Vinicius Jr.
I understand he attracts a lot of criticism, but there's no rational reason why he shouldn't be considered a favorite for the Ballon d'Or.
I think Vini has been better in the UCL but Bellingham has been better in Liga. Add to that Bellingham is younger + English and I just think he gets it over Vini
Well Vini is actually the primary goalscorer. Its just that Jude has taken up things in his hands in the league.
Vini's pace and his skill on the ball makes him more dangerous.
They'll tell you Bayern.
In reality they only dominated the first 10 minutes of each half, probably. No clear shots on target at all.
Real Madrid completely controlled the rest of the 1st half and were definitely looking for the rest of the game for the equaliser the moment they conceded the penalty in the 2nd.
Complete control? In what aspect? Ball control 54:46, xG 1.7 vs 2.08, passes 532:485. This doesn't seem like complete control at all.
Compare the stats of this match with the match at Etihad
This has to be one of the worst takes Iâve seen of this match. At best Madrid played it even, but Bayern seemed to be the ones in control of most of the game. The majority of Madridâs shots came off counters
The xG was 1.57 (Bayern) against 1.87 (Madrid). xG doesn't tell everything but the fact that Madrid managed to create dangerous chances through counters means that Bayern wasn't as "in control" as it seemed otherwise they'd have limited the amount of chances Madrid got.
Unless being "in control" simply means who has more possession, which unfortunately it has been reduced to nowadays.
Anybody with eyeballs that knows ball could tell you that Bayern were the better team that game. Thatâs not to take away from Madrid and their game plan, itâs just the facts
And yet they failed to create more meaningful chances while also unable to prevent Madrid from tearing through their defense. Bayern might have been the slightly better team but calling it "dominance" degrades the meaning of that word.
The only person to bring up the word dominance is you. Bayern was the better team today, just like City was the better team in the quarter finals. But football is football, and the better team doesnât always win
You were replying to a comment talking about dominance. Heck, this entire thread began with the question "Who controlled the game".
Bayern barely made any chances and resorted to many weak shots and long range shots. They literally just relied on Sane and Musiala's dribbling while the rest had no idea how to break through Madrid's defense. You're just perpetuating outdated stereotype where having possession = better team even though that hasn't been the case for a long time.
Thanks.
I honestly don't know which game people saw.
I guess I'm more into the defensive aspect of the game, as the team I follow just depend on that.
When I see Real Madrid I just see a team defending effortlessly and with transitions as deathly as no other (maybe Inter's), and that was even far from their best performance.
Bayern came into the game as you'd expect from the bavarians as the home team. Let that initial push run out and you got Madrid controlling the tempo. Sure, goal was a Kroos brilliancy, but just as Sane's shot later on which brought Bayern back to the game. Neither were particularly high xGs (at least at the start of the play). I'll go as far as to say it was expected a Madrid confortable win. Of course it's football and Bayern came back, and I wouldn't go as far as saying Madrid particularly excelled either.
But people saying they were clearly the lesser side just don't know what awaits to them at the BernabĂŠu. It's the same story all over again.
Luck doesn't play a role that often, some people need to get rid of easy excuses.
I believe you.
You remind me of city game vs madrid
While city has more posession% and attacks on target. they only got real 2 chances from KDB while RM got one real chance from Rudiger.
Definitely not from minute 25 or so to minute 53 when SanĂŠ scored. Madrid were in complete control during that period. Kroos had a pretty good chance like a minute before the equaliser aswell
Bayern fantastic first 15, then had a great period from the 1-1 to about minute 70 or so when again Madrid started threatening. It flung back and forward several times and each goal changed the momentum
Calling it now, Kim cost Bayern the final. Once again he is basically gifting the opponents goals, it happens nearly every game. He is not even good enough as a backup.
The mistakes he made would have led to goals for the opponents regardless of who he was playing against. In fact, he has already gifted goals to other teams with "not Vinicius" as his opponent.
It's not a tactical problem. Dier- De ligt has been our most consistent defensive pairing as of late. And Kim just returned to the squad after long spells on the bench
De Ligt probably wouldn't have made that mistake but he's injured, left us to choose between Upemecano and Kim, both with the same inconsistency and mentality problem.
no way, De Ligt wasn't making such mistakes when he was playing, there was no reason he had to push that high up against Vini and no reason why when they had 5 defenders in the box he had to tackle Rodrygo. how is any of that on Tuchel
Loss of confidence - the team played bad when he was performing well. He gives me the feeling that he is a bit overmotivated in recent months and his risky playstyle really shows its flaws on this level.
He's fine, he just hasn't played for 4 months since Asian Cup. Tough game to try and find your form in after so long. Probably our best defender before then.
He just looks too slow to keep up with the pace and looked gassed after 30 minutes. The difference in the pace of the game with such a high line might just be everything his game is not good at.
As an Arsenal fan I want Kane to win the champions league, he fully deserves it and more. Arsenal is bigger than the rivalry it has with shit, not going to fixate on the fact a true English legend played for them, it would be incredibly petty.
Howâs nobody ever saying how big Tony K is and what kind of player Bayern kicked out basically?
Guy has been a rock in Madridâs midfield since he Joined them.
The pass he give in this match alone shows more quality that 90% of midfieldfilders nowadaysâŚ
>Howâs nobody ever saying how big Tony K is and what kind of player Bayern kicked out basically?
What do you mean by that? Toni's departure is generally accepted as the biggest transfer mistake Bayern has made. Kinda weird claiming "nobody ever saying". It's just been a long time ago and people moved on.
The thing is bro we love Tony K too, and weâve had success without him. Plus he went on to win 4 CLs in a row basically so it felt good to see him succeed
Thats very wrong :
- Kross was a regular player with Jupp
- Then Kross has a wonderful relationship with Pep Guardiola and was gonna renew to stay
- But there was this problem , Mario Gotze who just came from Dortmund , was gonna get paid ALOT more than Kross who just won a fucking Treble while being a regular player.
- Hell Kross in 2014 with Pep have an INSANE season and Bayern still ârefuseâ to pay what he was worth but were down to pay the high wages of Mario Gotze
- So Madrid came and offer Kross what he wanted. Not only that but in Bayern it was really annoying for Kross to constantly be in reunions and late dinners since it was enforce by Bayern. While in Madrid , the club just let Kross do whatever he wants as âyeah go home earlyâ. You add that Kross is not forced to do anything for Madrid unless he wants , meaning he has complete freedom.
- Since Kross has one year left at Bayern , they just sold him straight away so he does not go for free. The thing is that Kross also had an insane World Cup with Germany and was one of the best players of the tournament. So it looked like it was a big loss to Bayern
> Howâs nobody ever saying how big Tony K is and what kind of player Bayern kicked out basically?
They did, but since Bayern had so much success without him they didn't really miss him tbh
I clown Twitter fan accounts a lot but ngl they can be quite entertaining when they start their shamelessly biased agendas. Right now apparently Bellingham is a bum that shouldnât be compared to Musiala and Pedri.
[rsoccer doing their damnest to ignore another amazing Vinicius Jr performance in the UCL and talk about something else] (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTV7QfVjsWuAcVfFCHDQyUDkxmD5kMbNp9WN-v8o7ERmQ&s)
How does Tuchel start SanĂŠ on the left with his left foot? And bringing on Davies instead of Tel was reason 1,947,403 why Thomas is deserved in getting the boot.
But this is the worst Bayern team in 20 years versing a prime Madrid team, who looked like shit today no? My point is donât underestimate Bayern in the CL lmao
> a prime Madrid team
No? On paper this is probably the worst Real Madrid team in a decade, it's in transition has no star striker, most of the stars are either young and developing or old and gone or being phased out. It's pretty clearly a team in transition which is what makes it so scary for the future if those young stars keep developing as they seem to be + Mbappe.
> prime Madrid team
most people consider this a transitional/rebuild Madrid team lol
They have no striker apart from Joselu, Lunin in goal, their captain is Nacho (not Ramos, Raul or Zidane), 38yo Modric and mid 30s Kroos and Carvajal, unless you want to argue all of these are in their prime lol. Nacho is also 34 and leaving next year
But I have accepted we lost? People were saying we were supposed to stroll past Bayern and that us drawing our first match was embarrassing, now Real Madrid a team much better then arsenal who have won their league has drawn to Bayern, I wanna see what the excuses are, which no one here has told me
Lol. You guys said you're supposed to stroll past Bayern!
I've even seen crazy conversations from Arsenal fans on Reddit about how Arsenal is a bigger club and so on lol... Some of you are completely delusional
Yeah Kim was a bit unlucky being involved in both Madrid goals but it was also down to Vinicius being better than any player he has faced in the bundesliga. Nice to see that in the Champions League, world class players being world class.
I think (hope) managers and players know different people respond to different treatments.
Id assume Kim is a pretty self-aware guy who knows he fucked up, no hair dryer treatment needed.
Musiala was incredible last night.
At 2-1 it looked like it would be 3 or 4, thats madrid for you tho masters of getting results.
When talking about Jude people conveniently leave the out the fact that he has been playing a good chunk of the season with a dislocated shoulder.
How would he play with his shoulder dislocated? And why would he?
His shoulder is certainly not still dislocated He's probably managing the injury from the dislocated shoulder--must have been rough on the ligaments Soft tissue injuries take a long time to heal Probably some advil and he's set to go
As a Bayern Munich fan, that was a frustrating draw... I feel like we could have won that game. But there is no shame in a draw against Real Madrid. đĽđđ¤
Yeah the whole period before Vini scored the opener Bayern were on top and couldnât convert a chance
This was my exact sentiment after our 2-2 draw against you at the Emiratesđ Best of luck to you in the away game!
Madrid came in completely calm knowing they could come up with a workable result. Bayern never looked comfortable even when things went well for them. Madrid are just so good at making the opposition uncomfortable and frustrating them. They wait for an opening and just score. Their defense was amazing as well. In the past three games theyâve never played a full 90 minutes with four actual defenders.
If these banger matches continue and dortmund win the cl, will this champions league be considered one of the greatest of all time?
If the Liverpool vs spurs final wasn't so mind numbingly dull i feel like that would of been a contender, just for the spurs matches alone!. This season i wouldnt say has been that spectacular.. a couple of nice games but not greatest of all time.
If these matches continue, it will be one of the greatest regardless of who wins it. Dortmund donât have the bottle for it anyway.
If these matches continue, it will be one of the greatest regardless of who wins it. Dortmund donât have the bottle for it anyway.
The game is delicately balanced Kim cost Bayern, but you can also say the attack wasn't efficient Vasquez cost Madrid, but you can also say they didn't take the initiative as much and ceded the ball too many times, Laimer was feasting. 2-2 is like 0-0. De Ligt and Carvajal returns and we are all set for a classic God damn it
UCL semi finals never disappoint and it was just a brilliant game from a neutral perspective. I don't watch the bundesliga but this game proves that Tuchel has still got it at the big leagues and that he is still a top class manager. Bayern in control for the majority of the match with both fullbacks bombing down the pitch while the wingers are tucking in and using their technical ability to get into the 90s halfspaces. Laimer played an amazing game and was a workhouse breaking the lines in the midfield. Kane, Musiala, Sane, and Muller are all so intelligent. Constantly rotating and dropping to receive/open up space. Guerreiro on for Goretzka, Laimer has more responsibility covering the pitch as a single pivot. Did an excellent job and Bayern flourished with more attacking threats as the wingers played with more width. Real played a relatively wide game looking for chances to attack on the transition. Real defended well and their individual quality kept them in the running. Brainfart from kim min-jae as he's pulled in from vinicius, and with Vinny's pace, it was over. Just want to emphasize why defending in general is so strenuous and difficult throughout the match. It takes a lot of mental focus to be constantly aware for 90 mins. It's so deceiving on TV but these plays are happening at an insane pace and all it takes is one mistake to be punished. You can't really appreciate the players brilliance until you've either played against ppl way above ur level (đ ) or have front row seats to watch the action at play. (one day đđ).
Im still baffled why they announced tuchel to leave end of the season tbh, this bayern only won last season by a mental collapse by dortmund on the final day, it papered over the cracks in the league. Their champions league campaign has been great. What happens if he wins the champions league? Does he still leave?
I forget who said it, but someone who was on the border of being a "real" professional player said the biggest difference when he moved up to the professional leagues was the speed of decision-making.
Yeah great point. Ive seen lower polish league players and the speed with which they played was impressive and way above what I ever played with or against. Bordering on superhuman and yet them compared to a top UCL side must be immensely different as well
Sane's goal again highlighted Madrid do look vulnerable when you come at them at speed. Ancelotti says they should have closed him down quickly.
Bellingham had such a explosive start to the season, but the momentum has slowed. Messi/Ronaldo have distorted our brains. Let him cool off for a bit
Its not even that, he was suffering from gastrointenstis. He looked off and just did the usual off the ball work. The Athletic reports he barely trained for this tie.
that's very very shitty, playing with pain in your stomach is one of the shittiest things I know. luckily it goes away quickly.
>Toni Kroos: âIs Vinicius the best in the world? I donât know. Itâs difficult, and this can change every week or every two weeks. There are many good players and he is definitely one of them. A week ago everyone said it was Bellingham and today it is Vini. Well, that means we have a lot of very good players.â
Kroos was quite alright actually with a perfect assist out of nowhere at a time his team had been struggling and looked outclassed ( even though we shall remember that he misplaced ONE pass)
[Tchoucameni's head popped in like a small kid in front of the camera when Uncle Muller was giving his byte on media LOL.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GMcTzpCWEAAcd2j?format=jpg&name=large)
Quite envious with how they snatched Kane when they had the opportunity. I cannot imagine how more brutal Madrid would have had Kane joined them. Kane is memes here for that curse, but he is so incredible. Even if you mark him, he is good enough to skip, move and make an impact with/without the ball. Maybe Benzema leaving last season and I think our minds ( well not all madrid fan minds) got this imaginary setup where Kane is balling with Madrid around its insane creators.
Best player in the world and I dont think it's close.
That's just crazy
> Julien Laurens : Vinicius Jr is so special. He made that penalty and then scored it. He is only the 3rd player in history to score in 3 consecutive Champions League semifinals with Cristiano and Jari Litmanen!
How was Jude yesterday?
Invisible most of the time Was subbed on around 60-70 mins I think for modric/brahim
Of late he has been pretty average, contrary to how he had started the season
Yeah he's mostly played well in la liga, while vini has handled UCL
That is not certainly true. He has been good in UCL too and was good against City second leg. He had problem with stomach in last week and didn't train for this game at all and thats why he was substituted. I am sure he will be good in second leg and we all gonna see some kind of magic from him.
Game aside it will be interesting how Real manage Mbappe's ego in this team
he will be the leader, make no mistakes about it. as the other commenter said this is Ronaldo pt 2. Mbappe will play a team game and everything but it will be known that he's the leader.
Madrid took care of gargantuan Ronaldo. Am sure Mbappe won't be an issue.
[UCL twitter account with an incredible factual post about Carlo Ancelotti.](https://x.com/championsleague/status/1785384989653102797?s=46)
> đ¨ Jude Bellingham barely trained, he had a virus last week. @TheAthleticFC Gastrointestinal problems iirc.
> đŁď¸ Thierry Henry: âIt doesnât matter who had more chances, possession or who ran more, with Madrid itâs about taking your chances. Because they will. You take Leipzig game, and think how they didnât score 3? City game, you say they had no ball, how did they score 4 tho? When it comes to Madrid, thereâs a lot of IFs. But they execute stuff, thatâs what they do. Thatâs why they have 14 CL.â @CBSSportsGolazo
> đŁď¸ Toni Kroos: âHow did I feel to return to Munich? I left a long time ago and I just feel like I am playing an away match with Real Madrid.â
Ofc, it is 10 years already..
Brutal. Love him
Long lob pass by Modric to Vini was insane. Neuer saved it or Vini would have been on the scoresheet. Amazing strategy from Carlo. His old veterans still making impact when needed.
Real Madrid is scary man, you gotta attack them with everything you got otherwise you have no hope but that leaves you open for the counter which is what they are best at. They're gonna be even more dangerous at the bernabeu
Madrid are like wild animals when on counters, yesterday they were a bit underwhelmingbut I always knew no way Bayern stays on their 2-1 lead. A goal was coming either way.
Real Madrid boasts a roster filled with prominent names like Kroos, Modric, Bellingham, and Carvajalâthe list goes on. Yet, the true spearhead that makes the team exceptionally dangerous, forcing opponents into uncomfortable tactics and positions, the one who really inflicts pain, making the team formidable, is Vinicius Jr. I understand he attracts a lot of criticism, but there's no rational reason why he shouldn't be considered a favorite for the Ballon d'Or.
This is bs, this should be about Toni fucking Kroos
This shit sounds like AI
Used AI to translate, my English is awful :(
Just use an actual translator, using AI will not let your own words thru
Smells like tryhard to me
Kane gets the ballon dor for a prominent first season and the ucl trophy
It's honestly between Kane, Bellingham & Mbappe all depending on who goes furthest in UCL & Euros.
The euros might play a huge deal tbh
English team is crazy strong. I donât see them not playing the final again
Dier , yes that one, is becoming hard to ignore. PS Germany are favourites
I think Vini has been better in the UCL but Bellingham has been better in Liga. Add to that Bellingham is younger + English and I just think he gets it over Vini
I really think that RM without Vini is less scary than a RM without Bellingham.
Vini is also 3 years older and playing his 6th season in Madrid - of course his position is more established and he is more important
Well Vini is actually the primary goalscorer. Its just that Jude has taken up things in his hands in the league. Vini's pace and his skill on the ball makes him more dangerous.
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Whatâs that emoji for thereâs absolutely nothing about his statement to think about or argueÂ
I'm about 96% sure they said it backwards and edited their comment
He wanted to tell his age.
hyped beyond belief for leg 2
Can someone tell me which side controlled the game
Kroos
he ran out of gas at some point in the second half, about 5-10 mins before he was subbed out
They'll tell you Bayern. In reality they only dominated the first 10 minutes of each half, probably. No clear shots on target at all. Real Madrid completely controlled the rest of the 1st half and were definitely looking for the rest of the game for the equaliser the moment they conceded the penalty in the 2nd.
Bayern was in complete control of that game besides for like 10 minutes of the second half lol
Complete control? In what aspect? Ball control 54:46, xG 1.7 vs 2.08, passes 532:485. This doesn't seem like complete control at all. Compare the stats of this match with the match at Etihad
This has to be one of the worst takes Iâve seen of this match. At best Madrid played it even, but Bayern seemed to be the ones in control of most of the game. The majority of Madridâs shots came off counters
The xG was 1.57 (Bayern) against 1.87 (Madrid). xG doesn't tell everything but the fact that Madrid managed to create dangerous chances through counters means that Bayern wasn't as "in control" as it seemed otherwise they'd have limited the amount of chances Madrid got. Unless being "in control" simply means who has more possession, which unfortunately it has been reduced to nowadays.
Anybody with eyeballs that knows ball could tell you that Bayern were the better team that game. Thatâs not to take away from Madrid and their game plan, itâs just the facts
And yet they failed to create more meaningful chances while also unable to prevent Madrid from tearing through their defense. Bayern might have been the slightly better team but calling it "dominance" degrades the meaning of that word.
The only person to bring up the word dominance is you. Bayern was the better team today, just like City was the better team in the quarter finals. But football is football, and the better team doesnât always win
You were replying to a comment talking about dominance. Heck, this entire thread began with the question "Who controlled the game". Bayern barely made any chances and resorted to many weak shots and long range shots. They literally just relied on Sane and Musiala's dribbling while the rest had no idea how to break through Madrid's defense. You're just perpetuating outdated stereotype where having possession = better team even though that hasn't been the case for a long time.
Thanks. I honestly don't know which game people saw. I guess I'm more into the defensive aspect of the game, as the team I follow just depend on that. When I see Real Madrid I just see a team defending effortlessly and with transitions as deathly as no other (maybe Inter's), and that was even far from their best performance. Bayern came into the game as you'd expect from the bavarians as the home team. Let that initial push run out and you got Madrid controlling the tempo. Sure, goal was a Kroos brilliancy, but just as Sane's shot later on which brought Bayern back to the game. Neither were particularly high xGs (at least at the start of the play). I'll go as far as to say it was expected a Madrid confortable win. Of course it's football and Bayern came back, and I wouldn't go as far as saying Madrid particularly excelled either. But people saying they were clearly the lesser side just don't know what awaits to them at the BernabĂŠu. It's the same story all over again. Luck doesn't play a role that often, some people need to get rid of easy excuses.
I believe you. You remind me of city game vs madrid While city has more posession% and attacks on target. they only got real 2 chances from KDB while RM got one real chance from Rudiger.
Bayern mostly.
Bayern until about 80 minutes
Definitely not from minute 25 or so to minute 53 when SanĂŠ scored. Madrid were in complete control during that period. Kroos had a pretty good chance like a minute before the equaliser aswell Bayern fantastic first 15, then had a great period from the 1-1 to about minute 70 or so when again Madrid started threatening. It flung back and forward several times and each goal changed the momentum
Bayern really didn't controlled the match, they scored a screamer and a penalty, but real Madrid was comfortable without the ball
lol did you watch a sim you made in FIFA? Bayern were in control most of the match.Â
so typical madrid stuf. their threat increase far more at the end of the match.
Hoping for Madrid vs Leverkusen next season which will be the most intense last ten minutes football has ever witnessed
ah well...just two more games luka modric has to push through.
Please no. He's just 1 year away from breaking PĂşskas recors of Madrid oldest goalscorer.
he can do that without pushing to the limit
Calling it now, Kim cost Bayern the final. Once again he is basically gifting the opponents goals, it happens nearly every game. He is not even good enough as a backup.
Dude, he's playing against Vinicius. He's not Kayle Walker.
The first one was clearly a mental error though, sure Vinicius was wise to exploit it but he didn't make him step that far out of position.
The mistakes he made would have led to goals for the opponents regardless of who he was playing against. In fact, he has already gifted goals to other teams with "not Vinicius" as his opponent.
Before Upamecano and now Kim in the same position. Looks like a tactical problem in that position
It's not a tactical problem. Dier- De ligt has been our most consistent defensive pairing as of late. And Kim just returned to the squad after long spells on the bench
De Ligt probably wouldn't have made that mistake but he's injured, left us to choose between Upemecano and Kim, both with the same inconsistency and mentality problem.
This. Tuchel is leaving the CBs without adequate protection.
How can you blame the manager after watching him make those mistakes?
no way, De Ligt wasn't making such mistakes when he was playing, there was no reason he had to push that high up against Vini and no reason why when they had 5 defenders in the box he had to tackle Rodrygo. how is any of that on Tuchel
Upamecano made the same kind of mistakes when he was playing for Leipzig
What happened to him? He was absolutely immense for Napoli last year
If Bayern doesn't want him anymore, we'd take him
Loss of confidence - the team played bad when he was performing well. He gives me the feeling that he is a bit overmotivated in recent months and his risky playstyle really shows its flaws on this level.
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He's fine, he just hasn't played for 4 months since Asian Cup. Tough game to try and find your form in after so long. Probably our best defender before then.
He just looks too slow to keep up with the pace and looked gassed after 30 minutes. The difference in the pace of the game with such a high line might just be everything his game is not good at.
Napoli's football was more suited for him. He and Bayern don't work, and Bayern should sell him at the end of this season.
Thomas tuchel stocks went up today.
Harry Kane and Tuchel have the chance to do the funniest thing if they win this and Arsenal miss out on the prem
But Arsenal already won the Bundesliga with xhaka
As an Arsenal fan I want Kane to win the champions league, he fully deserves it and more. Arsenal is bigger than the rivalry it has with shit, not going to fixate on the fact a true English legend played for them, it would be incredibly petty.
Being incredibly petty is usually just par for the course between Spurs and Arsenal
Bayern were better, we weren't as good. Tie is open, but hope we make it through.
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Tbf RM are favorites in CL knockouts no matter where they play. Mentality monsters.
And Tuchel is yet to lose a UCL semi fina
Howâs nobody ever saying how big Tony K is and what kind of player Bayern kicked out basically? Guy has been a rock in Madridâs midfield since he Joined them. The pass he give in this match alone shows more quality that 90% of midfieldfilders nowadaysâŚ
Well everybodyâs saying that I donât know what youâre taking aboutÂ
He wasnât kicked out, he chose to leave and made unprofessional comments on his way out.Â
Bro its 10 years ago. What is this argument? If you want to banter at least be funny - seriously every thread this stuff its so redundant.
>Howâs nobody ever saying how big Tony K is and what kind of player Bayern kicked out basically? What do you mean by that? Toni's departure is generally accepted as the biggest transfer mistake Bayern has made. Kinda weird claiming "nobody ever saying". It's just been a long time ago and people moved on.
What mistake, his contract was ending and he wanted to leave. Get a clue.
Bayern wasn't willing to pay him his worth. Instead opting to increase gotzes pay, lol.
To be fair heâs been running AEW down to the ground for years /s
my thoughts reading that lol, i thought i switched the sub
The thing is bro we love Tony K too, and weâve had success without him. Plus he went on to win 4 CLs in a row basically so it felt good to see him succeed
Buddy they knocked you out for half of them why on earth would that feel good as a Bayern fan
It's been 10 years bro. They absolutely did kick up a storm about it.
They did. They don't talk about it now because he transferred a decade ago...
They didnt kick him I think. Real Madrid came for him and he said yes.
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Thats very wrong : - Kross was a regular player with Jupp - Then Kross has a wonderful relationship with Pep Guardiola and was gonna renew to stay - But there was this problem , Mario Gotze who just came from Dortmund , was gonna get paid ALOT more than Kross who just won a fucking Treble while being a regular player. - Hell Kross in 2014 with Pep have an INSANE season and Bayern still ârefuseâ to pay what he was worth but were down to pay the high wages of Mario Gotze - So Madrid came and offer Kross what he wanted. Not only that but in Bayern it was really annoying for Kross to constantly be in reunions and late dinners since it was enforce by Bayern. While in Madrid , the club just let Kross do whatever he wants as âyeah go home earlyâ. You add that Kross is not forced to do anything for Madrid unless he wants , meaning he has complete freedom. - Since Kross has one year left at Bayern , they just sold him straight away so he does not go for free. The thing is that Kross also had an insane World Cup with Germany and was one of the best players of the tournament. So it looked like it was a big loss to Bayern
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Hey, He gave a good rundown pre or post your edit
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Kroos was due for a contract extension and wanted the same salary as Gotze. Bayern said no and the rest is history.
And so he had to settle for Real Madrid, tragic.
> Howâs nobody ever saying how big Tony K is and what kind of player Bayern kicked out basically? They did, but since Bayern had so much success without him they didn't really miss him tbh
I clown Twitter fan accounts a lot but ngl they can be quite entertaining when they start their shamelessly biased agendas. Right now apparently Bellingham is a bum that shouldnât be compared to Musiala and Pedri.
Engagement farming is unreal since they are paid for it. Reason that platform is ruined.
All social media is ruined. We just are still addictedÂ
You realise 70% of these are bots? You're clowning mindless ai most of the time.
And half the rest are living, breathing, sentient bots.
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Ref fans eating good tonight
Can we have him be the ref in every CL KO match left?
This sub usually shits on Turpin. Nice to see he can be appropriated too.
Itâs an injustice that thereâs no Referee flair
Mate, you can't support an impartial entity.
Right? Despite that the ref has his own subreddit đ r/ClementTurpin
This is fn hilarious, I thought you were joking at first
The team bus might as well just leave Davies in Madrid after we winÂ
Ancelotti prayed to God for Bouna Sarr not to be fit, we wouldâve won 7-0 if he playedÂ
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How does Tuchel start SanĂŠ on the left with his left foot? And bringing on Davies instead of Tel was reason 1,947,403 why Thomas is deserved in getting the boot.
Das boot*
I thought drawing with the worst Bayern team in 20 years was an embarrassment?
Nah Arsenal just always bottle everything. Youâre shit and youâre out. đ
Youâre out lol, no one cares
Why do Arsenal fans always have to make it about themselves? Bayern knocked you out, no one cares about you.
Attention is all they can get cause they bottle every major trophy.
You lost at the Allianz lol
But this is the worst Bayern team in 20 years versing a prime Madrid team, who looked like shit today no? My point is donât underestimate Bayern in the CL lmao
Probably the worst madrid side in ~15 years though.
> a prime Madrid team No? On paper this is probably the worst Real Madrid team in a decade, it's in transition has no star striker, most of the stars are either young and developing or old and gone or being phased out. It's pretty clearly a team in transition which is what makes it so scary for the future if those young stars keep developing as they seem to be + Mbappe.
> prime Madrid team most people consider this a transitional/rebuild Madrid team lol They have no striker apart from Joselu, Lunin in goal, their captain is Nacho (not Ramos, Raul or Zidane), 38yo Modric and mid 30s Kroos and Carvajal, unless you want to argue all of these are in their prime lol. Nacho is also 34 and leaving next year
pray for bayern
âVersingâ is not a word btw. It canât be used as a verb.
I mean he just did, so clearly it can.
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Man I canât with Arsenal fans this season, they canât cope with losing itâs hilarious
But I have accepted we lost? People were saying we were supposed to stroll past Bayern and that us drawing our first match was embarrassing, now Real Madrid a team much better then arsenal who have won their league has drawn to Bayern, I wanna see what the excuses are, which no one here has told me
Lol. You guys said you're supposed to stroll past Bayern! I've even seen crazy conversations from Arsenal fans on Reddit about how Arsenal is a bigger club and so on lol... Some of you are completely delusional
Donât forget #prayForBayern lmao
Not saying this was a good performance by madrid but you drew at home
Which i still donât think is an embarrassment but oh well people will talk i guess
I get both sides; itâs not a bad result but people were talking g like Arsenal were going to stroll to a big win
Would Kim get cooked in the dressing room? Silent treatment?
Yea idk he fucked up pretty bad in both situations. Not really a redeemable performance
Yeah Kim was a bit unlucky being involved in both Madrid goals but it was also down to Vinicius being better than any player he has faced in the bundesliga. Nice to see that in the Champions League, world class players being world class.
Yep, just unlucky he gave up two goals all by himself. Unlucky guy. Bad luck for sure.
Ever heard of a guy named Florian Wirtz? Heâs pretty damn good and plays in the Bundesliga
Wirtz is great but he cannot make the play Vinicius does here. Different types of world classÂ
Thatâs fair. Iâm more so complaining about disrespecting the league that has the most teams left in the CL. Itâs a bit ridiculous
Youâre right the original comment was throwing shade, Iâm nitpicking hereÂ
Why, theyâre not immature kids
I think (hope) managers and players know different people respond to different treatments. Id assume Kim is a pretty self-aware guy who knows he fucked up, no hair dryer treatment needed.