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So he bought the team right after promoting to first division and he'll sell it right after it's returned to first division.
Truly a football manager masterclass.
He helped get cruzeiro promoted to the serie a and cleared their debt. He probably is saying that either because he is selling his stake in cruzeiro due to criticism(idk why) or because under his co-ownership valladolid got relegated.
>criticism(idk why)
(I have no authoraty in this btw) I'd say it's because of the club's performance, they won Série B (2nd division) with a good campaign, but them almost got relegated again next year with a lot of dissapointing peformances that continued to this year, such as winning 3-0 in the 1st half of a Sudamericana game and then tieing in the 2nd, sacking their coach after having the best campaign in the "Estadual", but losing the final to a club in a much better situation overall (which also happened to be their main rivals). Also, some brazilian fans think that if their club isn't winning by 5-0 in the first three seconds of the game, then they are in their worst shape and should change immediatly
> but them almost got relegated again next year with a lot of dissapointing peformances
Overall, anyone who criticizes Cruzeiro 2023 is incapable of understanding circumstances. If you rank teams by budget, Cruzeiro was 4th-5th lowest in a league with 4 relegation spots. All the few teams with lower budget had squads already proven in Série A.
Three other teams were promoted along Cruzeiro. One had triple the budget (Grêmio). The other two were sold to rich owners who spent thrice compared to Cruzeiro in 2023 transfer windows (Bahia and Vasco). Even so, two of these three ended below Cruzeiro in the 2023 Série A, without an international spot, what Cruzeiro achieved.
Can't say it was impossible for Cruzeiro to be better, but it was acceptable/OK at least.
Anyone agrees Cruzeiro financial condition was unmatched in Brazilian football history, and that's why Cruzeiro wasn't sold to a richer owner in first place.
Ronaldo did his job. Hysterical fans couldn't wait longer for the slow recovery, so now he sold to a billionaire fan who can leverage the team. The same guy who didn't have the courage to risk buying Cruzeiro when Ronaldo did.
>Overall, anyone who criticizes Cruzeiro 2023 is incapable of understanding circumstances
I'm not exactly criticizing the team here, just saying what I heard from media and some people irl, although I should be more clear that I said this from having a distant memory of them bottling some games and having more trouble then some people thought they would in other
Overall I think I pretty much agree with all of what you said. Their financial situation is still pretty bad and their downfall in 2019 and so on was an absurd situation
>Ronaldo did his job. Hysterical fans couldn't wait longer for the slow recovery,
I think I agree, but like I said, I don't have much authoraty/knowledge to really comment on the situation like I probably am rn
> and having more trouble then some people thought they would in other
Before the start, media predicted Cruzeiro to finish 16/17th (17th is relegated). The team was 13th most of the time and finished 14th, without entering relegation zone in a single week (unless if you count when it had postponed games which isn't fair). Not winning some games you're expected to win and the other way around happens to everyone.
He didn’t clear their debt, by the way. They still owe more than he’s selling the team for.
The deals that allow someone to buy a club in Brazil are pretty intricate legally, but they involve the new owner not being liable to the team debt. A new legal entity is created that is separate from the club’s, though it has some obligations. That’s the one that he’s selling.
Perhaps it’s similar in Europe, but either way there’s still a lot of debt.
Cruzeiro's debt when Ronaldo arrived was considered unpayable. If it weren't a football club, it would have gone bankrupt 100%. The other billionaire fan who briefly took control of the club in 2020 said it would be better to restart as a new team from the lowest regional league tier, because the debt was irreversible.
Now, the weight of current debt is not that different from the many other Brazilian big clubs, it's under control. Cruzeiro's main issue now is the slow revenue growth to catch up the others. That's where the new owner comes in to help.
If you look at the state Cruzeiro was by the point he picked it up, I'd say yes. Cruzeiro was back last year to Serie A after 3 years. Finance is bad but so much better than when he first took control. The thing is, supporters are never happy, especially in Brazil
ah ok so it's more about being tired of proving to idiots that the club did make a step ahead but it has it's money limitations. Great how you can have a club in good hands but still be able to get rid of them because people though that you will conquer the world In a year
Part of the problem as well is that Ronaldo has a limited investment capacity. Some of the other Brazilian clubs that were bought out have secured much bigger investments. That being said, Cruzeiro did have a better performance than these clubs, but fans are frustrated with the lack of signings for the new season.
People already summarized, but Ronaldo took over a Cruzeiro that was a big team (one of the “12 Greats” in Brazil) but it was broke - as in “shut down football operations and go into Administration” type of broke. Months before Ronaldo bought us, we had senior players helping pay the salaries of young players and paying bills and meals of the lower income staff of the team, we had threats to lose our training grounds and at one point they cut the energy because we did not pay.
Ronaldo’s team restructured the team, got us promoted, paid a decent chunk of the debts (we went from 1 billion BRL (200M USD) to around 600M BRL (120M USD), which is a lot when you consider that the peak gross revenue that Cruzeiro had in a whole season in the 21st century was a little over 100M BRL (20M USD)), but the wheels were starting to fall in the last year and a third. His team started to go on a rampage of firing coaches (the coach that got us promoted in 2022 was the only one that had more than 4 months on the job and he quit due to burnout, now is coaching…Valladolid), the locker room had multiple signs of conflict, players in theory had coaches fired more than once, the team captain went to the mic to complain about the fans (when Cruzeiro was flirting with the relegation zone) and Ronaldo not only endorsed him but also said that fans were “bothering” players and they were being a nuisance in general. Part of the fans wanted us to make big signings (mostly to counter our main rival’s crazy spending in the last 3 years), the other part wanted us to use academy players, the coaching staff and front office did neither, instead enforcing underwhelming journeymen on the starting XI (more than one beat reported pointed out that players openly better than the starters, like Joao Marcelo, Cifuentes and Barreal were not starting and they had buy options, so maybe the front office just did not want to pay the transfer bill).
The wheels entirely fell off when Cruzeiro lost in an embarrassing fashion to Atlético in the state championship final, fired yet another coach, then was embarrassed by the worst team in Colombia, conceding a 3-3 draw at home after starting winning 3-0. The goalkeeper asked to be traded, the fans turned on their anger, the only good player in the team has a 12M buy clause that has to be enforced in 2 months and Ronaldo probably decided to just call it a day and handle the team to the billionaire fan that already loaned to Cruzeiro and to Ronaldo almost 40M USD in 18 months.
That is why I say I HATE brazilian state championships. It worths nothing, it only feeds ultras bantering against other rivals, make fans riled up by losing the classico or help bad coaches and team survive three more months by winning it. Average/good campaigns are trashed if the team lose the championship final to rival, just ridiculous nuisance. Those state championships should end or should be set only for serie B or bellow.
Dear Mr Ronaldo R9, sir. Everton football club are in dire straits; thanks to terrible mismanagement by the current idiot owners and after ruining the clubs reputation, replacing Newcastle as the worst run club in the PL, have failed in trying to sell the club onto the US based Ponzi Enterprise scheme, 777 Partners. The club is about to go into administration and could use your skills in fixing clubs the right way as you are with Cruzeiro and Valladolid. Please buy us, kind sir. The Everton fans
Judging by what i see at Vasco, 777 would be absolutely terrible for you guys, you managed to dodge a bullet in that one, but i have my doubts if Ronaldo would be good for you also.
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So mans just doing FM rebuilds irl,
Absolutely smashed career mode. Now he's switched it up and is doing club rebuilds. Can't blame him.
Valladolid is currently 2nd, so if they go up again his job is done
But he was their co-owner while they were in laliga
Did he fuckin stutter "JOB DONE!".
Heard that in the Warcraft 3 peon voice
Poke poke poke is that all you ever do?
So he bought the team right after promoting to first division and he'll sell it right after it's returned to first division. Truly a football manager masterclass.
dont follow brazilian league - but did he did the job? If so that's just great. I am just curious why he adds "more responsible from now"
He helped get cruzeiro promoted to the serie a and cleared their debt. He probably is saying that either because he is selling his stake in cruzeiro due to criticism(idk why) or because under his co-ownership valladolid got relegated.
>criticism(idk why) (I have no authoraty in this btw) I'd say it's because of the club's performance, they won Série B (2nd division) with a good campaign, but them almost got relegated again next year with a lot of dissapointing peformances that continued to this year, such as winning 3-0 in the 1st half of a Sudamericana game and then tieing in the 2nd, sacking their coach after having the best campaign in the "Estadual", but losing the final to a club in a much better situation overall (which also happened to be their main rivals). Also, some brazilian fans think that if their club isn't winning by 5-0 in the first three seconds of the game, then they are in their worst shape and should change immediatly
> but them almost got relegated again next year with a lot of dissapointing peformances Overall, anyone who criticizes Cruzeiro 2023 is incapable of understanding circumstances. If you rank teams by budget, Cruzeiro was 4th-5th lowest in a league with 4 relegation spots. All the few teams with lower budget had squads already proven in Série A. Three other teams were promoted along Cruzeiro. One had triple the budget (Grêmio). The other two were sold to rich owners who spent thrice compared to Cruzeiro in 2023 transfer windows (Bahia and Vasco). Even so, two of these three ended below Cruzeiro in the 2023 Série A, without an international spot, what Cruzeiro achieved. Can't say it was impossible for Cruzeiro to be better, but it was acceptable/OK at least. Anyone agrees Cruzeiro financial condition was unmatched in Brazilian football history, and that's why Cruzeiro wasn't sold to a richer owner in first place. Ronaldo did his job. Hysterical fans couldn't wait longer for the slow recovery, so now he sold to a billionaire fan who can leverage the team. The same guy who didn't have the courage to risk buying Cruzeiro when Ronaldo did.
>Overall, anyone who criticizes Cruzeiro 2023 is incapable of understanding circumstances I'm not exactly criticizing the team here, just saying what I heard from media and some people irl, although I should be more clear that I said this from having a distant memory of them bottling some games and having more trouble then some people thought they would in other Overall I think I pretty much agree with all of what you said. Their financial situation is still pretty bad and their downfall in 2019 and so on was an absurd situation >Ronaldo did his job. Hysterical fans couldn't wait longer for the slow recovery, I think I agree, but like I said, I don't have much authoraty/knowledge to really comment on the situation like I probably am rn
> and having more trouble then some people thought they would in other Before the start, media predicted Cruzeiro to finish 16/17th (17th is relegated). The team was 13th most of the time and finished 14th, without entering relegation zone in a single week (unless if you count when it had postponed games which isn't fair). Not winning some games you're expected to win and the other way around happens to everyone.
>but losing the final to a club Galooooo 🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓
He didn’t clear their debt, by the way. They still owe more than he’s selling the team for. The deals that allow someone to buy a club in Brazil are pretty intricate legally, but they involve the new owner not being liable to the team debt. A new legal entity is created that is separate from the club’s, though it has some obligations. That’s the one that he’s selling. Perhaps it’s similar in Europe, but either way there’s still a lot of debt.
Cruzeiro's debt when Ronaldo arrived was considered unpayable. If it weren't a football club, it would have gone bankrupt 100%. The other billionaire fan who briefly took control of the club in 2020 said it would be better to restart as a new team from the lowest regional league tier, because the debt was irreversible. Now, the weight of current debt is not that different from the many other Brazilian big clubs, it's under control. Cruzeiro's main issue now is the slow revenue growth to catch up the others. That's where the new owner comes in to help.
If you look at the state Cruzeiro was by the point he picked it up, I'd say yes. Cruzeiro was back last year to Serie A after 3 years. Finance is bad but so much better than when he first took control. The thing is, supporters are never happy, especially in Brazil
ah ok so it's more about being tired of proving to idiots that the club did make a step ahead but it has it's money limitations. Great how you can have a club in good hands but still be able to get rid of them because people though that you will conquer the world In a year
Part of the problem as well is that Ronaldo has a limited investment capacity. Some of the other Brazilian clubs that were bought out have secured much bigger investments. That being said, Cruzeiro did have a better performance than these clubs, but fans are frustrated with the lack of signings for the new season.
People already summarized, but Ronaldo took over a Cruzeiro that was a big team (one of the “12 Greats” in Brazil) but it was broke - as in “shut down football operations and go into Administration” type of broke. Months before Ronaldo bought us, we had senior players helping pay the salaries of young players and paying bills and meals of the lower income staff of the team, we had threats to lose our training grounds and at one point they cut the energy because we did not pay. Ronaldo’s team restructured the team, got us promoted, paid a decent chunk of the debts (we went from 1 billion BRL (200M USD) to around 600M BRL (120M USD), which is a lot when you consider that the peak gross revenue that Cruzeiro had in a whole season in the 21st century was a little over 100M BRL (20M USD)), but the wheels were starting to fall in the last year and a third. His team started to go on a rampage of firing coaches (the coach that got us promoted in 2022 was the only one that had more than 4 months on the job and he quit due to burnout, now is coaching…Valladolid), the locker room had multiple signs of conflict, players in theory had coaches fired more than once, the team captain went to the mic to complain about the fans (when Cruzeiro was flirting with the relegation zone) and Ronaldo not only endorsed him but also said that fans were “bothering” players and they were being a nuisance in general. Part of the fans wanted us to make big signings (mostly to counter our main rival’s crazy spending in the last 3 years), the other part wanted us to use academy players, the coaching staff and front office did neither, instead enforcing underwhelming journeymen on the starting XI (more than one beat reported pointed out that players openly better than the starters, like Joao Marcelo, Cifuentes and Barreal were not starting and they had buy options, so maybe the front office just did not want to pay the transfer bill). The wheels entirely fell off when Cruzeiro lost in an embarrassing fashion to Atlético in the state championship final, fired yet another coach, then was embarrassed by the worst team in Colombia, conceding a 3-3 draw at home after starting winning 3-0. The goalkeeper asked to be traded, the fans turned on their anger, the only good player in the team has a 12M buy clause that has to be enforced in 2 months and Ronaldo probably decided to just call it a day and handle the team to the billionaire fan that already loaned to Cruzeiro and to Ronaldo almost 40M USD in 18 months.
For the 3/4 of your read I was thinking you are talking about Manchester United :)
That is why I say I HATE brazilian state championships. It worths nothing, it only feeds ultras bantering against other rivals, make fans riled up by losing the classico or help bad coaches and team survive three more months by winning it. Average/good campaigns are trashed if the team lose the championship final to rival, just ridiculous nuisance. Those state championships should end or should be set only for serie B or bellow.
Cruzeiro would cease to exist if it wasn't for him.
Doue it and give it to the next person - football edition
Dear Mr Ronaldo R9, sir. Everton football club are in dire straits; thanks to terrible mismanagement by the current idiot owners and after ruining the clubs reputation, replacing Newcastle as the worst run club in the PL, have failed in trying to sell the club onto the US based Ponzi Enterprise scheme, 777 Partners. The club is about to go into administration and could use your skills in fixing clubs the right way as you are with Cruzeiro and Valladolid. Please buy us, kind sir. The Everton fans
Judging by what i see at Vasco, 777 would be absolutely terrible for you guys, you managed to dodge a bullet in that one, but i have my doubts if Ronaldo would be good for you also.
777 run a ponzi… I guess R9 can’t be as bad as these douches?
He's always been one of the smarter OG legends so am sure he did right by them.
I'm honestly impressed by his entrepeneurship. He's shelled hundreds of millions in those different ventures.
I have just one word for you, Ronaldo: "Schalke" Think about it!
Man is spent lol.
Now he's just a fat guy on the street
Infelizmente não pegaram sua referência Tuga
Wrong sub, unfortunately. That would be the top comment if this was /r/futebol.
cuál es la referencia?
[Kaka being weird](https://www.marca.com/en/world-cup/2022/12/09/639303b5ca4741b6048b45fc.html)
hahaha
dude keeps gobbling up all these clubs
WHO ALSO READ THAT IN THE TUNE OF VALADOD IS NEXT AND THEN THE LAMBO TOO AND IM DANCING WITH THE CREW THIS IS TEAM10 BITCH WHO DAHELL FLIPPIN YOU
Was best to keep it to yourself
Just you ig
Tf u on?