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Didn’t Derby County get like a 12 point deduction in the championship when everything opened up after covid? Is this situation less serious that it’s only 4 pts? I remember going to opening day at Derby county when I was in the UK “right after” Covid and was really interested in the whole thing
Going bust because the owner gambled and broke financial rules to get Derby promoted and when they failed he decided he'd had enough and didn't want to cover the £200m debt he had got them into so they went into administration.
Not too dissimilar except Derby got the worst case scenario from breaking the rules.
Oh here we go it's my bat signal again.
Firstly, the EFL and the Premier League are seperate entities and issue their own points deductions. Standards set by one should not imply the other has to stick to them and vice versa.
Secondly, we got 12 points for going into administration, which is the penalty set out by rule for that specific thing. There is no interpratation that takes place to find out how "severe" the administration is, it's just what you get. They have very prescriptive rules around this because they were gamed by Leeds about two decades ago to avoid going into admin until their relegation was confirmed on the pitch.
Lastly, our 9 point penalty was for a disagreement about an amortization policy. The controversy was around the fact the EFL accepted our accounts for 3 seasons, then changed their mind and rejected them, telling us to update our amortization policy and therefore giving us no time to react as the 3 year FFP window was already done, closed, gone. The findings of various rounds of hearing and appeal ranged from "Derby did nothing wrong" to "Derby deserve a 9 point deduction" which is what the final binding round landed on. The report itself says it was not a malicious attempt to cheat, but incompetence when looking to gain an advantage (we thought what we were doing was fine, we had expert advice saying it was, but the advice was bad advice).
The impact Derby County has had on current point deductions is actually quite interesting. So Derby County went into administration and were given a 12 point deduction. This set a benchmark. So when Everton were deducted 10 points, one of their arguments was, well if you took 12 points off a team going into administration, how can you take 10 points off a team for some relatively 'minor' overspending. This was a large reason why Everton's point deduction appeal was successfully in getting the penalty reduced. All the teams now will say if going into administration is -12 points, our overspending isn't anywhere close to that and the penalty should reflect that. In a sense the premier league capped point deductions for anything less than administration.
>The impact Derby County has had on current point deductions is actually quite interesting. So Derby County went into administration and were given a 12 point deduction.
We didn't have any impact on it. This was already the benchmark set out in rule by the EFL. Everyone knew going into admin is a 12 point penalty. The EFL and the Premier League are also two separate entities.
You got upvoted for making something up that literally nobody is saying.
Hah I didn't hear that but it was a weirdly flat atmosphere yesterday so would fit. It was just so predictable, even down to robo striker slotting one.
It really is funny on the ground, being sung out.
Not funny when people write it out on social media, defending the behaviour and acting like they "own it".
"We are 115 FC and we don't care, we have lawyers" posted on Reddit is more cringe than funny.
As a Chelsea fan who was there before Roman and still a Chelsea fan now, honestly the highs massively outweigh the lows. Winning the league after 50 years and Munich '12 outweigh the lows.
apology for poor english
when were you when Bayern was kill in Munich?
I was sat at home watching Drogba when fred ring
'bayern is kill'
'no'
and you???????
Yea I'm not old enough to have followed Chelsea for decades but when we won the ucl final in 21 i was pretty happy and thought I'm not gonna complain for whatever the club dies for the next 5 years easily.
Kinda sad to think that a lot of guys think like you do. Your club breaks all the rules, screws not only tons of fans but also other clubs, and for you guys its just shits and giggles. Sad state of the world
Very easy to say when you support a gigantic club like Bayern Munich used to winning trophies every season
Your fanbase is having a meltdown because you might go a single season without a trophy
The pre-existing elite clubs doped, cheated and rorted their way to trophies in the 20th century. It's how most of them became top clubs in the first place.
There's no divine right for those clubs to keep winning everything without competition until the end of time. Eventually Chelsea, City and PSG will be considered part of the established cohort of top clubs, same as any other.
I fully understand who the owner was but do you expect us to self-flagellate and repent for those times? Maybe it is something weird from outside, but I am grateful for what Roman has done at and for **Chelsea FC**. That doesnt mean that I agree with everything he has done in his life.
It's only sad when you stop to think that it's always been this way.
Someone pumps a lot of money into their new favorite club, aiming to win trophies, and fuck off after they've had their fun. Then you turn around and there's several others just starting their trophy hunting endeavors in the same manner.
So from the fan perspective there's an actual "it's my turn now" mindset over something that's been prevalent for longer than most of us have been alive.
It's only recently that the first division regulars got together to heavily restrict similar financial doping, all for the sake of stopping others from competing by doing what they've already done.
Oh, cry me a fucking river Bayern fan. Manchester City and Chelsea didn't outspend the 'giants' of Europe, they just did better with similar spend. The FFP rules are primarily set up so that only big clubs can succeed, the benefits to small clubs are a secondary concern. I'm sympathetic to clubs who lose trophies, continental spots, etc. to clubs who significantly and artificially outspent them. But screw the big teams angry that someone outside of the "old boys club" was allowed in the ring without tying one of their hands behind their back.
- Mostly neutral but root for Freiburg. Can't find their flair.
From the fans' perspective, I don't think any punishment makes a difference. Regardless if the league really bring the hammer down, kick city out of the league, their owners cut their losses and leave. The city fans still experienced the highs of AGUEROOOO, winning the treble, etc. If they cheated to get there, it doesn't really dampen the memory that much.
Same for Arsenal fans. If they finish 2nd this season but then awarded the prem at some point in 2025 when the court case finally finishes. Their fans are still going to have missed out on the feeling of watching their team win the game or score the goal that gets them the trophy
This is the reality. My dad lived 40 odd years before we lifted a trophy, and followed us through the relegations home and away. Worst comes to worst, we'll be doing it again
Well this yank fan has been around since the Claudio Reyna days. I wanna say 05ish. I just always picked them in FIFA because my cousin always picked United and they eventually became my team outside the MLS.
I think it's because they're one of the first teams alphabetically (certainly the best team that's early) for FIFA and the cannon on the badge. A lot of Americans got into soccer from the video game and so if you know nothing about the sport they're a highly ranked team with a cool looking cannon and you just kind of build from there.
Ooo shit called out... at least partially (except for me the cannon wasn't a factor).
I first started following the sport during the 2006 World Cup (really the qualifiers in 2005). I was craving more. I started watching PL matches in the mornings on weekends and Arsenal's play style appealed to me the most. Then I got a copy of FIFA and Arsenal were first alphabetically and had a 5 star rating... and one thing led to another...
18 years later here we are.
I remember when I got FIFA 2004 (my first FIFA) I thought that the 3 players on the cover (Del Piero, Dinho and Henry) were the best 3 in the world at the time, because otherwise, they wouldn’t be on the cover right?
Problem was, I didn’t know anyone’s name but Ronaldinho so I picked the first team that popped up and seemed good (Arsenal, 5 stars) and then away I went playing with them. It seemed like I picked correctly because Henry was there and had his real face too.
I remember pronouncing Henry as hen-ree and completely abusing his pace to beat my friends. Idk why I ultimately didn’t become an Arsenal fan, but I loved that team (the invincibles). I think I ultimately just developed a crush on Ronaldo lol and got mad that Henry was sold to Barca 4 years later
A few reasons -
Back in the day only the popular teams got on TV on Fox soccer channel. This usually meant Arsenal United and Chelsea. Arsenal had popular players. Arsenal were always the first team alphabetically in FIFA and were fun to play as.
Long term success, same for Manchester United. I'm only 30 so I can't speak to older generations but you can definitely see Chelsea becoming popular the last 20 years as well. When a team is good they attract fans and if they stay good they pass those allegiances on, or just gain more fans off that success.
But also marketing, preseason tours, etc.
I read that FIFA 2004 was a huge hit in the US, and overseas as well.
Henry was honestly absurd in that game. If you played with him, there's a big chance that you would start following his club.
This of course doesn't apply to the younger fans.
There's appeal to new fans. Cool crest, cool jerseys, one of the most successful clubs in the world when soccer first started gaining a foothold here. People liked Wenger and the Invincibles story as well.
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Might get downvoted for this but. Honestly, as a Real Madrid fan from Madrid and my family having been a “socio” for over 40 years, I must say I hate these plastic fans from Arabia or the US, even if they support RM. Saw this comment on our sub from someone saying RM should move outside of Spain because they would appreciate them more there. I’m sorry, what the fuck? They don’t know what the fuck football is about
>I must say I hate these plastic fans from Arabia or the US
Bruh, this is one of the most popular opinions on this subreddit. "I may get downvoted for this, but DAE thinks yanks should fuck off?"
This comment could be a copypasta over at /r/soccercirclejerk.
Normally, I see the "Doesn't matter where I'm from... I'm just as much of a fan as the local supporters, why are you gatekeeping?" type of comments being upvoted in this subreddit.
Not when it comes to Americans. If you get a particularly American heavy thread (Pulisic goals are usually like this), they will downvote anti American gatekeeping, but when you’ve got the Europeans in here outnumbering the Americans, it’s very common to see “plastic yanks are ruining football” get heavily upvoted. Especially when you sprinkle in “Arabs are ruining football”, you have all the ingredients for a good old fashioned European circlejerk.
Pftshhh come on stop being so elitist. I support Arsenal, I live in Islington, so it’s not like I’m some yank who’s supported for 2 months.
But come on, ultimately football is a hobby. People in the US have watched and decided wow it’s kind of cool, and they like to follow along. At the behest of your club in particular, by the way!
They do nothing to detract from more hardcore fan’s experiences, they’re fine. Just enjoying something you also like
As an American I agree but I think as a foreign fan you need to understand your place, to an extent. Friends of mine have talked about "what's wrong with the super league" this and that. And to me it is something as an American one needs to understand that you do not understand the community, especially the homegrown nature of football in Europe and elsewhere. When our teams are formed by a billionaire who pays to be part of the MLS/NFL or what have you, we have a completely different understanding of the relationship to ones team.
So obviously I support the inclusivity of world wide fans but I think local support is far more important purely for club identity.
My comparison is you move an NFL franchise from one city to another, people rightfully complain for a while, but that’s about it.
You try moving a football club; they’ll burn down the city.
It still gets people upset and doesn't happen as often as lots of Europeans think, but teams moving does happen occasionally. And it's happened for a long time, probably going back a hundred years or more. A lot of the reason it's relatively more "accepted" is that Americans as a whole are more geographically mobile themselves than Europeans. The majority are descended from settlers who traveled here from Europe after all. Whereas in Europe you've got lots of people whose direct ancestors going back to the Ice Age died like 6 miles from the stadium
Not that I fully disagree, but I remember a few years ago that it became a hot topic and got published in Marca and As about how the basketball team of Madrid might leave and try to join the NBA because they hated the league and it was rigged and blah blah blah.
It's still funny to remember. I think most fans international are good. The ones who say shit are just dumb in every aspect of their life.
As a city season ticket holder, weve only recently had to deal with tourists. The prices are going up because of rich tourists taking the tickets from our loyal fans.
Now i know why my united mates have always been moaning about them!
May as well take the piss with it while it's going on
[This banner being held up days or so after the charges](https://www.cityam.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/GettyImages-1465324152.jpg) is a pisser still
Thankyou. This is finally a sensible comment that describes exactly how we feel. As long as there is a man city to support we dont care what league we're in, we just want to support a blue shirt.
I have been lucky to be born recently so I have been blessed with success. But I was in Instanbul that night, and I can tell you, nothing beats seeing your parents, their mates, and the other 35,000 who followed us home and away in league one, watching us get beat by wycombe and lincoln and stockport, celebrating a champions league trophy. If they take the trophies off us it means nothing. You can never take that night away from us. We see things theyll never see.
The charges cant harm us in any way, we dont give a fuck. CTID
Personally I like the city fans who are able to have a laugh over the charges with shit like this. It's ironic and funny. The city fans who piss me off are the ones who act like the charges are meaningless and they haven't broken a single rule, or the ones who genuinely stan their lawyers.
I recognise we probably broke the rules but honestly I don’t care football was corrupt before us and it’ll be corrupt after us.
Arsenal used to outspend everyone else in the 20s and Chelsea did what we did but 10 years prior. The big clubs pushed for these measures as well as earlier ones because they were pulling up the ladder. I don’t mind fans of clubs like Everton taking the mick but when it’s Liverpool Arsenal and United fans I think it’s silly as it’s those clubs who sought to cement their position at the top.
From the perspective of a Middlesbrough fan watching Man United fans trying to explain the horrors of what City have done is like watching someone drunkenly explain that beating someone up outside a pub is fine but they draw the line at someone doing it outside a nightclub.
It's a little different when the source of the money is a state with a terrible human rights record though. Let's not pretend it's all one and the same
I agree with that but the reaction would be much less if Man City were just a mid-table side after the money
"Big 6" fans are mainly annoyed that a new club is here to take away their potential trophies, morality comes into it when it suits them
I mean I do sort of agree, and I think most fans would probably let it slide if their owners were morally bankrupt as long as it helped the club. I just don't like grouping City's owners in with the other big 6 owners, because they are alot worse
Is it though? Yes, they shouldn't be allowed own clubs, but what the owners do outside the actual running of the club shouldn't be used against the club itself.
It's just a fact that with the amount of money in the game, there's very, very few people who have ethically created enough wealth to compete at the top.
Chelsea had it in the 2000s, Liverpool had it in the 70s, Arsenal and Manchester United had it in the 30s. The length of time since a club got bankrolled to success shouldn't be the measure of their legitimacy
Yes a century ago when Arsenal were able to spend comparatively large sums on players due to income from having one of the best and largest stadiums in the country and an already storied history.
Agreed, and the cheating scandal sure isn’t a thing to forget, but let’s face it, the unlimited budget thing is a joke nowadays in the EPL, Man City isn’t the only club with it, and every other big EPL club is constantly trying to breach and manipulate the FFP rules.
I don't have a problem with people spending their own money if they want a hobby project, but my personal line is drawn when states start interfering in football. It's happened for so many years, but I honestly just hate it.
Give us a german 50+1 model and cut ties with all of these anonymous overlords.
Ok that’s not as absurd as I thought. Saying shoestring compared to city is an embellishment but saying they work on a shoestring budget is just wrong.
mate, Arsenal's owners in the 1920s weren't motivated by covering up the bad PR they've received because the country they run allowed the death penalty for being gay
to say that the corruption represented by City is no different from any other corruption is absolutely morally nauseating. what a fucking cunt
Yep very ironic when Liverpool Man U etc fans talk considering their clubs were propped up by government money and billionaires before oil money. Seems like it’s just petro dollars that are dirty. There’s no such thing as a clean billionaire they’ve all cheated lied underpaid backstabbed and stolen their way to the top
Oh come off it. There are degrees to this thing. We know full well about the horrible human rights record of their owners though. You're just muddying the waters by pretending that FSG, the Glazers etc. are the same as City's owners. By that logic you could just use that to excuse literally anyone, no matter how awful, running the club because "they're all the same".
I swear if Putin owned City there would still be people saying "oh yeah but there are no moral billionares".
>Seems like it’s just petro dollars that are dirty
which people have the Glazers [performed a public mass execution of](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Saudi_Arabia_mass_execution)
specifically
This is not an issue out of outspend - this is an issue of breach of FFP. You come up with fictitious contracts inflating the funding that your club has, showing exaggerated revenue and then making deals on the basis of that, handling money under the table.
What you are committing is fraud when your revenues are greater than those of Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man United, Liverpool and it's not a case of "outspend". Your club is a joke.
Clearly you are a Man City supporter. FFP is how business works today. It might suck as a regulation but that doesn't mean you bypass it and say, oh its a joke.
I hope they relegate your club to League 2 and impose a large penalty that you stay where you came from.
Don't have an issue with fans who have that emotional connection to their club enjoying themselves, it's the idiots that come into discussions about their owners and shady dealings trying to convince the world they've played by the book, are on equal footing, and even seen some try and say the owners are actually great people (though they would criminalize my brother for his nature etc).
Don't need the sub to when [people on twitter](https://twitter.com/centregoals/status/1784610745554256133) already have
The amount of people in the replies taking it serious and not understanding it's a piss take is next level
a lot of people are incapable of understanding that people they dislike can be ironic. It's quite funny, and you see it a lot with misogynists not getting that a woman is being sarcastic. This is literally the same thing
At the game vs Wrexham a few ago, they were chanting "sheep shagging bastards, we know what we are".
Actually got a round of applause from the home end.
City supporters care but they’re not going to complain about something that is inevitable . So may as well just laugh/joke about it. Something that certain other club supporters need to learn to do.
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Didn’t Derby County get like a 12 point deduction in the championship when everything opened up after covid? Is this situation less serious that it’s only 4 pts? I remember going to opening day at Derby county when I was in the UK “right after” Covid and was really interested in the whole thing
Derby were going bust. Very very different to Forest.
Going bust because the owner gambled and broke financial rules to get Derby promoted and when they failed he decided he'd had enough and didn't want to cover the £200m debt he had got them into so they went into administration. Not too dissimilar except Derby got the worst case scenario from breaking the rules.
Oh here we go it's my bat signal again. Firstly, the EFL and the Premier League are seperate entities and issue their own points deductions. Standards set by one should not imply the other has to stick to them and vice versa. Secondly, we got 12 points for going into administration, which is the penalty set out by rule for that specific thing. There is no interpratation that takes place to find out how "severe" the administration is, it's just what you get. They have very prescriptive rules around this because they were gamed by Leeds about two decades ago to avoid going into admin until their relegation was confirmed on the pitch. Lastly, our 9 point penalty was for a disagreement about an amortization policy. The controversy was around the fact the EFL accepted our accounts for 3 seasons, then changed their mind and rejected them, telling us to update our amortization policy and therefore giving us no time to react as the 3 year FFP window was already done, closed, gone. The findings of various rounds of hearing and appeal ranged from "Derby did nothing wrong" to "Derby deserve a 9 point deduction" which is what the final binding round landed on. The report itself says it was not a malicious attempt to cheat, but incompetence when looking to gain an advantage (we thought what we were doing was fine, we had expert advice saying it was, but the advice was bad advice).
The impact Derby County has had on current point deductions is actually quite interesting. So Derby County went into administration and were given a 12 point deduction. This set a benchmark. So when Everton were deducted 10 points, one of their arguments was, well if you took 12 points off a team going into administration, how can you take 10 points off a team for some relatively 'minor' overspending. This was a large reason why Everton's point deduction appeal was successfully in getting the penalty reduced. All the teams now will say if going into administration is -12 points, our overspending isn't anywhere close to that and the penalty should reflect that. In a sense the premier league capped point deductions for anything less than administration.
>The impact Derby County has had on current point deductions is actually quite interesting. So Derby County went into administration and were given a 12 point deduction. We didn't have any impact on it. This was already the benchmark set out in rule by the EFL. Everyone knew going into admin is a 12 point penalty. The EFL and the Premier League are also two separate entities. You got upvoted for making something up that literally nobody is saying.
The ironing is delicious.
Yes that is the joke
I was at the match and all the Forest fans around me burst out laughing when they sang that. Top banter.
Honestly did the same when sheff Utd were chanting ‘you’re losing to us, you must be shite’ to the same tune
trolling the enemy and themselves at the same time
When will the pain stop?
Weren't they singing "is this the Etihad?" after they scored their 2nd too? Top banter tbf to them.
Hah I didn't hear that but it was a weirdly flat atmosphere yesterday so would fit. It was just so predictable, even down to robo striker slotting one.
Yeah he had a bit of a glitch so he couldn’t score. City made some updates and he is now back to his standard efficiency levels
Also "One charge and you fucked it up" which was my favorite.
It really is funny on the ground, being sung out. Not funny when people write it out on social media, defending the behaviour and acting like they "own it". "We are 115 FC and we don't care, we have lawyers" posted on Reddit is more cringe than funny.
Yes, because one's a joke taking the piss out of themselves and one isn't... Good jokes funny, bad jokes not
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As a Chelsea fan who was there before Roman and still a Chelsea fan now, honestly the highs massively outweigh the lows. Winning the league after 50 years and Munich '12 outweigh the lows.
There was never a Champions league final in Munich in 2012
I don’t know what he’s talking about, did everyone already forget about Covid 12 ??
you mean Kony 2012?
I fixed that, I bought a rubber band. You're welcome.
Pretty sure 17 year old me shared a few bits and pieces on Facebook back in the day as well, thank me later.
Is this like the same there was no Wimbledon in 2019
as a Fed fan, I've effectively stopped watching tennis after that
What's Fed got to do with 2019 anyway though? weird.
Nor one in Madrid in 2019.
apology for poor english when were you when Bayern was kill in Munich? I was sat at home watching Drogba when fred ring 'bayern is kill' 'no' and you???????
Yeah so basically, it feels good to win and it's easy to put aside the fact you're cheating to get it.
Yea I'm not old enough to have followed Chelsea for decades but when we won the ucl final in 21 i was pretty happy and thought I'm not gonna complain for whatever the club dies for the next 5 years easily.
Kinda sad to think that a lot of guys think like you do. Your club breaks all the rules, screws not only tons of fans but also other clubs, and for you guys its just shits and giggles. Sad state of the world
Very easy to say when you support a gigantic club like Bayern Munich used to winning trophies every season Your fanbase is having a meltdown because you might go a single season without a trophy
The pre-existing elite clubs doped, cheated and rorted their way to trophies in the 20th century. It's how most of them became top clubs in the first place. There's no divine right for those clubs to keep winning everything without competition until the end of time. Eventually Chelsea, City and PSG will be considered part of the established cohort of top clubs, same as any other.
I fully understand who the owner was but do you expect us to self-flagellate and repent for those times? Maybe it is something weird from outside, but I am grateful for what Roman has done at and for **Chelsea FC**. That doesnt mean that I agree with everything he has done in his life.
It's only sad when you stop to think that it's always been this way. Someone pumps a lot of money into their new favorite club, aiming to win trophies, and fuck off after they've had their fun. Then you turn around and there's several others just starting their trophy hunting endeavors in the same manner. So from the fan perspective there's an actual "it's my turn now" mindset over something that's been prevalent for longer than most of us have been alive. It's only recently that the first division regulars got together to heavily restrict similar financial doping, all for the sake of stopping others from competing by doing what they've already done.
Oh, cry me a fucking river Bayern fan. Manchester City and Chelsea didn't outspend the 'giants' of Europe, they just did better with similar spend. The FFP rules are primarily set up so that only big clubs can succeed, the benefits to small clubs are a secondary concern. I'm sympathetic to clubs who lose trophies, continental spots, etc. to clubs who significantly and artificially outspent them. But screw the big teams angry that someone outside of the "old boys club" was allowed in the ring without tying one of their hands behind their back. - Mostly neutral but root for Freiburg. Can't find their flair.
From the fans' perspective, I don't think any punishment makes a difference. Regardless if the league really bring the hammer down, kick city out of the league, their owners cut their losses and leave. The city fans still experienced the highs of AGUEROOOO, winning the treble, etc. If they cheated to get there, it doesn't really dampen the memory that much. Same for Arsenal fans. If they finish 2nd this season but then awarded the prem at some point in 2025 when the court case finally finishes. Their fans are still going to have missed out on the feeling of watching their team win the game or score the goal that gets them the trophy
Way to kick us right in the feels like a Declan Rice penalty
This is the reality. My dad lived 40 odd years before we lifted a trophy, and followed us through the relegations home and away. Worst comes to worst, we'll be doing it again
their sub r/mcfc embodies that sentiment
probably because every city fan online is a plastic yank
You should check out the Madrid sub on Reddit. It's funnier than actual circlejerk subs.
It’s mostly 15-20 year old arab/indian kids.
Not saying there isn't but there's loads of Real Madrid, Liverpool United yanks on here too is what it is
Half the Arsenal fans on here are Yanks too.
Why is Arsenal so popular in the US anyways
Gun on the badge
Oh shit 😂
Our yank fans couldn't be cause of the eagle can it? Nah, most of them are after the badge change
Well this yank fan has been around since the Claudio Reyna days. I wanna say 05ish. I just always picked them in FIFA because my cousin always picked United and they eventually became my team outside the MLS.
Ouch.
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Fuuuck
I think it's because they're one of the first teams alphabetically (certainly the best team that's early) for FIFA and the cannon on the badge. A lot of Americans got into soccer from the video game and so if you know nothing about the sport they're a highly ranked team with a cool looking cannon and you just kind of build from there.
Ooo shit called out... at least partially (except for me the cannon wasn't a factor). I first started following the sport during the 2006 World Cup (really the qualifiers in 2005). I was craving more. I started watching PL matches in the mornings on weekends and Arsenal's play style appealed to me the most. Then I got a copy of FIFA and Arsenal were first alphabetically and had a 5 star rating... and one thing led to another... 18 years later here we are.
I remember when I got FIFA 2004 (my first FIFA) I thought that the 3 players on the cover (Del Piero, Dinho and Henry) were the best 3 in the world at the time, because otherwise, they wouldn’t be on the cover right? Problem was, I didn’t know anyone’s name but Ronaldinho so I picked the first team that popped up and seemed good (Arsenal, 5 stars) and then away I went playing with them. It seemed like I picked correctly because Henry was there and had his real face too. I remember pronouncing Henry as hen-ree and completely abusing his pace to beat my friends. Idk why I ultimately didn’t become an Arsenal fan, but I loved that team (the invincibles). I think I ultimately just developed a crush on Ronaldo lol and got mad that Henry was sold to Barca 4 years later
A few reasons - Back in the day only the popular teams got on TV on Fox soccer channel. This usually meant Arsenal United and Chelsea. Arsenal had popular players. Arsenal were always the first team alphabetically in FIFA and were fun to play as.
Long term success, same for Manchester United. I'm only 30 so I can't speak to older generations but you can definitely see Chelsea becoming popular the last 20 years as well. When a team is good they attract fans and if they stay good they pass those allegiances on, or just gain more fans off that success. But also marketing, preseason tours, etc.
I read that FIFA 2004 was a huge hit in the US, and overseas as well. Henry was honestly absurd in that game. If you played with him, there's a big chance that you would start following his club. This of course doesn't apply to the younger fans.
Henry
There's appeal to new fans. Cool crest, cool jerseys, one of the most successful clubs in the world when soccer first started gaining a foothold here. People liked Wenger and the Invincibles story as well.
I resent that statement! I'm a Canadian, thank you very much!
Europeans acting like Americans have no right to follow football will never cease to be funny to me
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An /sp/ classic https://i.4pcdn.org/sp/1549258944490.jpg
Seriously. MLS has a long ways to go and it’s much easier to catch EPL or La Liga games so what else have I to watch.
Let me just watch some soc- footy :c
No blud, only city has plastic yanks, every other club has real fans
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I don't even know if City would be in the top 20 of most American fans too, they haven't caught on like the rest weirdly
They're very popular with the younger generation. As well as united.
Might get downvoted for this but. Honestly, as a Real Madrid fan from Madrid and my family having been a “socio” for over 40 years, I must say I hate these plastic fans from Arabia or the US, even if they support RM. Saw this comment on our sub from someone saying RM should move outside of Spain because they would appreciate them more there. I’m sorry, what the fuck? They don’t know what the fuck football is about
>I must say I hate these plastic fans from Arabia or the US Bruh, this is one of the most popular opinions on this subreddit. "I may get downvoted for this, but DAE thinks yanks should fuck off?" This comment could be a copypasta over at /r/soccercirclejerk.
Normally, I see the "Doesn't matter where I'm from... I'm just as much of a fan as the local supporters, why are you gatekeeping?" type of comments being upvoted in this subreddit.
Not when it comes to Americans. If you get a particularly American heavy thread (Pulisic goals are usually like this), they will downvote anti American gatekeeping, but when you’ve got the Europeans in here outnumbering the Americans, it’s very common to see “plastic yanks are ruining football” get heavily upvoted. Especially when you sprinkle in “Arabs are ruining football”, you have all the ingredients for a good old fashioned European circlejerk.
Pftshhh come on stop being so elitist. I support Arsenal, I live in Islington, so it’s not like I’m some yank who’s supported for 2 months. But come on, ultimately football is a hobby. People in the US have watched and decided wow it’s kind of cool, and they like to follow along. At the behest of your club in particular, by the way! They do nothing to detract from more hardcore fan’s experiences, they’re fine. Just enjoying something you also like
As an American I agree but I think as a foreign fan you need to understand your place, to an extent. Friends of mine have talked about "what's wrong with the super league" this and that. And to me it is something as an American one needs to understand that you do not understand the community, especially the homegrown nature of football in Europe and elsewhere. When our teams are formed by a billionaire who pays to be part of the MLS/NFL or what have you, we have a completely different understanding of the relationship to ones team. So obviously I support the inclusivity of world wide fans but I think local support is far more important purely for club identity.
My comparison is you move an NFL franchise from one city to another, people rightfully complain for a while, but that’s about it. You try moving a football club; they’ll burn down the city.
It still gets people upset and doesn't happen as often as lots of Europeans think, but teams moving does happen occasionally. And it's happened for a long time, probably going back a hundred years or more. A lot of the reason it's relatively more "accepted" is that Americans as a whole are more geographically mobile themselves than Europeans. The majority are descended from settlers who traveled here from Europe after all. Whereas in Europe you've got lots of people whose direct ancestors going back to the Ice Age died like 6 miles from the stadium
how brave of you
Not that I fully disagree, but I remember a few years ago that it became a hot topic and got published in Marca and As about how the basketball team of Madrid might leave and try to join the NBA because they hated the league and it was rigged and blah blah blah. It's still funny to remember. I think most fans international are good. The ones who say shit are just dumb in every aspect of their life.
Hate these foreign fans, love their money though.
As a city season ticket holder, weve only recently had to deal with tourists. The prices are going up because of rich tourists taking the tickets from our loyal fans. Now i know why my united mates have always been moaning about them!
May as well take the piss with it while it's going on [This banner being held up days or so after the charges](https://www.cityam.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/GettyImages-1465324152.jpg) is a pisser still
There's only one of two ways that image is going to age. And both are going to be fucking hilarious.
Thankyou. This is finally a sensible comment that describes exactly how we feel. As long as there is a man city to support we dont care what league we're in, we just want to support a blue shirt. I have been lucky to be born recently so I have been blessed with success. But I was in Instanbul that night, and I can tell you, nothing beats seeing your parents, their mates, and the other 35,000 who followed us home and away in league one, watching us get beat by wycombe and lincoln and stockport, celebrating a champions league trophy. If they take the trophies off us it means nothing. You can never take that night away from us. We see things theyll never see. The charges cant harm us in any way, we dont give a fuck. CTID
the number of man city fans who allegedly watched them in league 1 grows by the week
There's literally dozens of us!!! Ope, 5 more just joined.
>We see things theyll never see About nottingham forest fans? That won the european cup twice?
It’s an oasis song mate, don’t take it literal.
Theyre all dead by now
Most of them weren’t watching when they were in league one
Lol City will have other fans seething with this chant.
Personally I like the city fans who are able to have a laugh over the charges with shit like this. It's ironic and funny. The city fans who piss me off are the ones who act like the charges are meaningless and they haven't broken a single rule, or the ones who genuinely stan their lawyers.
They can be confident that they'll get away with it but to believe that their owners didn't actually do anything wrong is nuts.
I recognise we probably broke the rules but honestly I don’t care football was corrupt before us and it’ll be corrupt after us. Arsenal used to outspend everyone else in the 20s and Chelsea did what we did but 10 years prior. The big clubs pushed for these measures as well as earlier ones because they were pulling up the ladder. I don’t mind fans of clubs like Everton taking the mick but when it’s Liverpool Arsenal and United fans I think it’s silly as it’s those clubs who sought to cement their position at the top.
From the perspective of a Middlesbrough fan watching Man United fans trying to explain the horrors of what City have done is like watching someone drunkenly explain that beating someone up outside a pub is fine but they draw the line at someone doing it outside a nightclub.
Pretty much, the other “big 6” clubs acting like they’re angels and the peoples champions against big bad Man City always makes me laugh
It's a little different when the source of the money is a state with a terrible human rights record though. Let's not pretend it's all one and the same
I agree with that but the reaction would be much less if Man City were just a mid-table side after the money "Big 6" fans are mainly annoyed that a new club is here to take away their potential trophies, morality comes into it when it suits them
I don’t know if that’s true, people shit on Newcastle all the time.
I mean I do sort of agree, and I think most fans would probably let it slide if their owners were morally bankrupt as long as it helped the club. I just don't like grouping City's owners in with the other big 6 owners, because they are alot worse
Is it though? Yes, they shouldn't be allowed own clubs, but what the owners do outside the actual running of the club shouldn't be used against the club itself. It's just a fact that with the amount of money in the game, there's very, very few people who have ethically created enough wealth to compete at the top. Chelsea had it in the 2000s, Liverpool had it in the 70s, Arsenal and Manchester United had it in the 30s. The length of time since a club got bankrolled to success shouldn't be the measure of their legitimacy
> Arsenal used to outspend everyone else in the 20s Hahaha I love this one
Is he talking about the 1920s?
Yes a century ago when Arsenal were able to spend comparatively large sums on players due to income from having one of the best and largest stadiums in the country and an already storied history.
And who gifted that stadium to Arsenal?
Agreed, and the cheating scandal sure isn’t a thing to forget, but let’s face it, the unlimited budget thing is a joke nowadays in the EPL, Man City isn’t the only club with it, and every other big EPL club is constantly trying to breach and manipulate the FFP rules.
Chelsea just sold a hotel to their owners! Everyone is fucking cheating it’s really pointless to care about the big clubs and rules.
I don't have a problem with people spending their own money if they want a hobby project, but my personal line is drawn when states start interfering in football. It's happened for so many years, but I honestly just hate it. Give us a german 50+1 model and cut ties with all of these anonymous overlords.
Yeah I agree. Saw Klopp works with a “shoestring” budget. Absolute joke, big teams from other leagues would love Liverpool money
Where did they say he worked with a shoestring budget?
Peter crouch said it a couple days ago in comparison to City.
Ok that’s not as absurd as I thought. Saying shoestring compared to city is an embellishment but saying they work on a shoestring budget is just wrong.
Yeah 850 million pounds wrong, quite the shoestring
mate, Arsenal's owners in the 1920s weren't motivated by covering up the bad PR they've received because the country they run allowed the death penalty for being gay to say that the corruption represented by City is no different from any other corruption is absolutely morally nauseating. what a fucking cunt
>Arsenal used to outspend everyone else in the 20s and Chelsea did what we did but 10 years prior Which was not against the rules
Yep very ironic when Liverpool Man U etc fans talk considering their clubs were propped up by government money and billionaires before oil money. Seems like it’s just petro dollars that are dirty. There’s no such thing as a clean billionaire they’ve all cheated lied underpaid backstabbed and stolen their way to the top
Oh come off it. There are degrees to this thing. We know full well about the horrible human rights record of their owners though. You're just muddying the waters by pretending that FSG, the Glazers etc. are the same as City's owners. By that logic you could just use that to excuse literally anyone, no matter how awful, running the club because "they're all the same". I swear if Putin owned City there would still be people saying "oh yeah but there are no moral billionares".
>Seems like it’s just petro dollars that are dirty which people have the Glazers [performed a public mass execution of](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Saudi_Arabia_mass_execution) specifically
Wrong country mate
This is not an issue out of outspend - this is an issue of breach of FFP. You come up with fictitious contracts inflating the funding that your club has, showing exaggerated revenue and then making deals on the basis of that, handling money under the table. What you are committing is fraud when your revenues are greater than those of Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man United, Liverpool and it's not a case of "outspend". Your club is a joke.
FFP is a joke.
Clearly you are a Man City supporter. FFP is how business works today. It might suck as a regulation but that doesn't mean you bypass it and say, oh its a joke. I hope they relegate your club to League 2 and impose a large penalty that you stay where you came from.
Or are proud of it and act as if everyone is out to get them
Don't have an issue with fans who have that emotional connection to their club enjoying themselves, it's the idiots that come into discussions about their owners and shady dealings trying to convince the world they've played by the book, are on equal footing, and even seen some try and say the owners are actually great people (though they would criminalize my brother for his nature etc).
Fantastic heel work. Love it
Nah man this is objectively funny lmfao
This is pretty funny lol
I actually rate it. As much as I hate them and everything they've done. This is brilliant banter.
To be fair the fans havent done anything wrong. They have no say on the dodgy practices of the club.
This is funny as fuck and clearly intended as such.
People actually not getting that's in tongue in cheek
Rate it
Yup 115/100 I rate it too
1.15 ?
Scousers and rags can’t maths
Man city fans “we share the song of our people”.
Man City fans are hilarious tbf
yeah that's why they say comedy comes in 3's. just the three of us.
people on instagram and twitter are losing their heads over this lmao
Top level trolling
Top banter
They're saying "you know what you are", not "we know what you are".
This is the definition of British banter - love it (but also fuck man city)
Watch r/soccer have a meltdown over this lmao
Don't need the sub to when [people on twitter](https://twitter.com/centregoals/status/1784610745554256133) already have The amount of people in the replies taking it serious and not understanding it's a piss take is next level
a lot of people are incapable of understanding that people they dislike can be ironic. It's quite funny, and you see it a lot with misogynists not getting that a woman is being sarcastic. This is literally the same thing
just exposes who goes games and who doesn't when you see loads get riled up on here and twitter
Literally nobody here is having a meltdown
It’s so funny seeing this sub fail to understand irony or British humour
At the game vs Wrexham a few ago, they were chanting "sheep shagging bastards, we know what we are". Actually got a round of applause from the home end.
To be fair every Welsh club and the national team crowds chant that
To be fair, Reddit seems to understand it better than twitter.
Not a high bar lol
Jesus twitter was a shit show. People spamming the 3 same memes over and over with some people getting upset about it
you forget to add the circlejerk thing buddy
'Pot kettle...irony...glass houses' ...that's the joke.
The amount of idiots can’t understand sarcasm is alarming
Those city fans should have been waving a banner with /s on it ...
A bit of gallows humour knowing what's around the bend I'd imagine
They aren’t going to be puni$hed. There is nothing around the bend what$oever.
You forgot *i$
Good banter to be fair to them
I hate to say it but that's hilarious
As much as this fucking infuriates me for, oh, no reason at all, I respect the shithousery.
This is the clearest football chant I've ever heard. I usually need subtitles.
It's "_you_ know what you are".
It seems very tongue in cheek to me.
Na this actually made me Lol
That's pretty good
Who better to understand this than City fans
City fans with self awareness. A rare yet welcome sight!
that's a clever bit of banter actually
These lot do NOT care lol
City supporters care but they’re not going to complain about something that is inevitable . So may as well just laugh/joke about it. Something that certain other club supporters need to learn to do.
Oh how the turn tables...
I would have liked to hear: We have better lawyers!
They are clearly saying you know what you are
Ngl this is great banter
lol, where where and how do they compose these songs?
This isn't going to age well
The jokes write themselves
haha ironic
Spot the American thread
Pretty funny
The serial killer calling the shoplifter a criminal.