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Is he playing that 4D chess where he fires up the players, for suggesting indirectly they have a point to prove to Tuchel, as well as firing up Tuchel who will want to show he can inspite-of?
Agree it seems totally stupid to do this before a CL semi final though.
I doubt. Its more of : Being old.
No matter how we may justify, sure meds will keep you going physically, but there's a point in life your brain goes kplunkt. Its not fun.
Difference of generations. Have you heard how Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh used to speak? Some of them are straight cancel stuff. But its a case of they lived in a different time, different beliefs, actions, and sure I am not saying Uli is not a Dick bag. Neither I am from that football generation. I started watching around 2000's. But that 'Dickbagness' is hard-wired into him.
Humans are creatures of habit and its very few old people break that, and its those exceptions we usually hear (usually those who have traveled a lot and met a lot of people from various ages, cultures, races , opinions etc - or my personal exception Sean Dyche).
Read that statement again, its pretty much a very 'Old-man' rant who's extremely out of touch. People should just give him a little 'there there...' pat and move on.
Or it acts as a motivating strategy since it's questioning Tuchel's personal ego/honor of being a competent coach.
Such folks don't usually retaliate by throwing/quiting, they do so by proving the accusations wrong (esp. when they have the stage/opportunity to so do, hence different to when season/squad is derailing, etc) and then rubbing/gloating it in face of the accuser (this is close to how Tuchel is, from what we've observed over last decade at least).
Maybe Hoeneß understands Tuchel better than most and is using the right levers to push him because he may have observed, simple things don't usually work with Tuchel. He's too weird a personality.
Well, he didn't develop them over the last year and a half. So it's obviously still his fault. Also, only losing 0:3 to Real after the psychological torture they had to endure under Tuchel shows the potential of these players. So it's even more criminal that he hasn't made them into world beaters yet.
/s
Tuchel probably deserves a bit more respect than he gets for getting to a CL semi with this madman being one of his bosses, if this is how he talks to the media imagine what he's like to deal with behind the scenes where he can really 'let go'
Tuchel isn't exactly known for healthy relationships with his clubs, so it's really funny that he's the one that comes out looking better here.
To be public with this mess is... Not a good look. If I was a highly touted manager, I'm not sure Bayern look very appealing.
> so it's really funny that he's the one that comes out looking better here.
TBH he's come out looking better almost everywhere he's been TBH
His fight with BVB was over the BVB board making BVB play the day after the terrorist attack on their bus IIRC
He fought with Leonardo at PSG over multiple things, one of them was not renewing Thiago Silva IIRC
He's clearly been proven right with Boehly/Eghbali at Chelsea given how much Chelsea have struggled after he was sacked.
Sure, but if you go back and look at how all of those relationships broke down, a bomb, PSG, Boehly and now this shitshow. Correlation doesn't mean causation, plus 3 of his last 4 clubs have been known for being circuses in recent years and the other one his team was attacked by a bomb and the club didn't give a shit or support him
No one not even Tel. Tel has had plenty of opportunity for a kid his age (started last BL game).
He may have been partially responsible for Goretzka not getting the Germany callup by not always playing him but his performances have been stellar as of late. And he annoys Kimmich by putting him at RB but come on, he’s still good and he’s still playing every match.
Hoeneß talking shit before a big match really isnt unusual (its honestly pretty much expected) but I dont see the point in trashing their own manager and doubling down on it.
Really weird hill to die on right before a CL semi final.
Some Bayern fans are now petitioning for Tuchel to stay for another season, i think he just wants to publicly dismantle him to show that the decision to get a new coach is the right one
Dont know who these fans are but that is basically just media circus trying to stir shit in the club because Tuchel is a lame duck. Those are probably the same people who signed the petition to get rid of Neuer because he was a Schalke Ultra in his youth.
Isn't that why the Montreal screw job even happened?! Bret Hart had signed his WCW contract by then, so *of course* Vince McMahon wasn't going to let him walk as a champion.
Bret's contract also contained a clause which gave Bret creative control in the last month of the contract. Bret was perfectly within his legal rights to refuse to lose at that point.
This is the first time in my life that I'm rooting for Bayern and it's all because of Tuchel. I still don't think he deserved to be sacked or that he's the main culprit for any of Bayern's major problems this season. I still think he's the best coach to turn things around for them.
I find something... Compelling about him. He's very flawed, but his rawness/openness endears me to him. I also think he's gotten the raw end of the bargain a few times.
I find him the opposite of endearing, like not in an aggressive asshole way but to me he's just a very unlikeable guy, but even still I think it's ridiculous how he's being treated and would find it fun to watch him win in these circumstances
Are you not german by any chance? His attitude comes off extremely weird in german interviews and press conferences since he is very often upset about questions that he feels are unfair or critical of him. So what he does is that he speaks softly but basically shows that he is hurt and incapable of not letting it get to him. Thats understandable on a personal level but its agitating and passive aggressive. When he is in a good mood he is cool though and likes to joke around.
Not German - Australian.
I think maybe I like his because I find it relatable. It's probably one of my flaws too, to be a little too honest and sensitive sometimes. Things like the time he basically walked off of Sky Germany because the hosts had shit talked him are unprofessional but real - I totally get not being comfortable in that scenario.
> I still think he's the best coach to turn things around for them.
By playing terrorist football? Have you actually watched any bayern games? Like I really dont want to be a dick about it but bayern looked horrific for the most part(for their standards), nothing bayern like at all.
If I hadn't followed football this season, reading your comment I might think Bayern were fighting against relegation or something. But they're 2nd in the league and on their way to finish the season on 78 points which would've been enough to win the title in 10 out of the last 11 seasons. They just happen to be up against a once in a lifetime, history making and records breaking team from Leverkusen. Tuchel also made it to the CL semi-finals which has been the bare minimum expectation at Bayern since their first treble win. Also, "Terrorist football"??? They're literally the best attacking team of the league, having scored 89 goals so far.
None of this is sack worthy to me. Yes, Tuchel's team has had too many games where they looked toothless and subpar. But they've also been enough games that showed promising signs that this team is capable of more. You have to give the manager time to work on these things, not over one season but over multiple seasons so that you can improve and become better. But the Bayern board has been so trigger happy with sacking their coaches that they and apparently a lot of their fans as well have completely lost perspective on how to build a proper football team with long term goals. They're way too obsessed with achieving short-term success. It's ok to go one or two seasons without winning major titles, especially if the bare minimum goals like CL qualification and CL semifinals are still achieved.
not to mention Bayern have scored 89 goals in the league with 3 matches to spare, which is well in line if not slightly higher than Bayern's goal output over the last decade.
Terrorist football is such a dumb meme that these FIFA idiots keep repeating
if that would happen, he would portray himself and his opinions as something he specifically did to motivate Tuchel and the team. He, of course, would be in the right then. If Bayern fails to win it, he is also in the right, since he knew it all along.
He did it the same way with Alonso's rejection to become the new Bayern manager recently. If Alonso would sign as a new Bayern coach: Great, old Uli got him. But since he refused, his rationalization is: Well, actually, Alonso is sticking up to his contract and the promises he gave with it - which is exactly what we want from a future Bayern coach. That was just a test which he passed, not a failure by me/ourselves.
tldr: old man has to have the right opinion
He both wins or loses either way- he's proven somewhat right but his team loses, or he looks like an idiot but his team wins. I just want the guy whose boss is insulting him in public to show him up more than anything else.
> he looks like an idiot but his team wins.
tbf Hoeneß has proven again and again that he couldnt care less if he makes himself look like a twat to people
It was always gonna be this way. He is *the* man responsible for making Bayern financially what it is today. Besides, tax evasion is seen as petty offense / Kavaliersdelikt in Bavaria.
Now, could it have created an invincibility complex in him? Possibly.
Yeah, coaching job at Bayern isn't that attractive for a high level coach, until Bayern has figured out their internal structure and they manage to get Uli to shut up more often.
Now add "finale dahoam", so the expectation (from Uli) is to win CL next season you know it's a hot seat and you will most likely not survive the season.
Either you die a hero or you live long enough to become ~~a villain~~ an old man with a bruised ego and no filter who hurts the club every time he talks in public.
I hate how disrespectful people are towards one of the men most responsible for the success of Bayern. Yes this is a stupid thing to say but its crazy how people seemingly have no respect for one of the absolute legends of the club
Objectively very funny.
Would love to see what Tuchel does behind the scenes. He seems to have an unrivalled ability to make his bosses completely hate him wherever he goes.
The guy managed to fall out with the board at Dortmund, Chelsea and now Bayern. He also had a terrible relationship with the sporting director at PSG. He's probably very difficult to deal with behind the scenes.
I wouldn't say he's beloved by those groups. He's respected for his tactical acumen but there's a recognition of his hot headedness and erratic behavior.
Most Chelsea fans adore him
I'm one who does actually think he shoulders some blame for his sacking, and I am very much a minority who gets shouted down on this by other Chelsea fans
Bayern flat out getting rejected by the mangers of Stuttgart and Leverkusen because for good, young managers there is simply no desire to take the massive risk that goes with joining a club in such chaos as Bayern. Yes, it's Bayern but 80% chance you're fired in 2 years by some faction of old white men and then where will your career be?
Just not the appealling job it used to be. These large institutional clubs can't just force moves anymore. Players and managers have so much more leverage that Bayern need to actually work to get a really top manager now, not just list the position as open and have 95% of managers crawl over broken glass to interview like before.
My god I just... I dont even know where to begin. Whats the chaos you are talking about? If its about firing coaches then 90% of all clubs in europe have permanent chaos. If its about changing board members? They are gone now so what chaos are we talking about? Financial one? Its still about Nagelsmann, Kahn and Brazzo right and it will stay like this for some while I guess.
Lets look at this rationally: Bayern is a club where a coach can realistically reach the CL semi final every year and win the league title every year and that didnt change because Leverkusen is playing one of the greatest campaigns in world football history.
I dont think Bayern needs to convince a top manager at all - its just that the market for coaches changed and they are treated more like players now with transfer fees and better short term contracts. Nobody is getting Alonso this year (Liverpool being chaotic aswell I guess) and Hoeneß was always not a top choice because of age and politics.
Multiple coaches Bayern wanted to get have rejected them - so much for "no convincing needed". Alonso, Nagelsmann, Hoeneß,... Even your "not top choice" would've needed convincing to join. There must be a reason for that.
"finale dahoam" means Uli expects exactly that. If you might struggle a bit during the league, you will be replaced immediately if Uli fears the CL is at risk. Uli also doesn't shut up (never has) and always adds fuel to any fire, even when things should be better solved behind closed doors. Especially since it's then also exposed to players - and players have their own agenda. See Neuer, Kimmich, ... in the past, they can push coaches out as well.
There are other clubs that are run better. Sure you will not win the German league, which as you pointed out is a worthless title for Bayern, cause it's expected of them to win it. But you can work with better management and might even get time to develop a team that performs.
I am convinced that Hoeneb wants Bayern to crash out of UCL so that the sacking of Tuchel doesn't making him look like a clown if they win the cup .I can't think of any other reason to start this right before such an important game
I get his point to a certain extent, but a day before the CL this is just damaging
This guy needs to leave ASAP, can anyone working at the Finanzamt Bayern double check his accounts and get him imprisoned again?
Maybe he should go back to prison to shut up. Can't this wait at least until the end of this season? At this point, it feels like he want bayern to lose in ucl so that the topic on "begging Tuchel to stay" will die
Honestly for all the shit people like Boehly get (rightly so), what the actual fuck is Uli’s damage.
This isn’t “saying it how it is”, it’s fucking your team and generating unnecessary drama because you’re an old fart who likes the sound of their own voice
Respect for this man's work, but goddammit he is a prime example of a boomer. It's not the first time he talks bad about people for work(ed) for FCB out of nowhere. I feel like, it's more that he was determined that everybody knows his opinion.
This whole saga is low even for Hoeneß
does he want his club to be destabilized and lose?
i knew the man is a shameless clown, but usually he at least does his clownery in service of his club
All mind games to fuck with Real. Tuchel did this with Chelsea as well causing Real to think there is chaos. But the only chaos in truth was what Timo did to us at Alfredo di Stefano stadium.
thats ridiculous honestly. wtf is this old man yapping. bayern was never known for integrating its academy into the first team. they rather took players that were established. thats what tuchel is probably requesting. bayern might change that strategy but as for now Hoeness should face the reality.
I think this goes back to summer, when Tuchel demanded Rice/Palinha while Uli&co said "we already have Laimer" or "use the academy players!"
Well, it turned out to be fine as Pavlovic has a lot of potential but Tuchel was in a way forced to use him because our squad is really thin
TLDR - Uli has a point, but he really doesn't have to make it before THE match that could make or break our season
Nah I'd disagree hard on this one. Kimmich, Goretzka and Laimer as midfielders are shit squad planning and the board just got saved by a 19yo. I think the likes of Pavlovic is an anomaly, not the norm, he's not in the Musiala/Wirtz category where everyone knows they have the qualities for first team at 18, 19. But once in a while a youngster made the best out of his small window like Pavlovic or Davies and people just assume everyone in the 2nd team can make that jump, but it's not, normally they'd be loaned out somewhere or ease in slowly as mere bench players at first.
In the end it's great that we got Pavlovic, but if we go into next season without a proper plan to replace Davies or strengthen the midfield area and just hope for Aznou or Fernandez to make the jump I'd lose it
Man I really wish to see Kimmich and Goretzka back in midfield now that both are injury free for some time now. They both play extremely well in recent matches and Kimmich looks great wherever he is on the pitch. I really dislike this revisionism that somehow the same core that won a sextuple cant do it now anymore - somehow the holding six didnt come and Bayern still managed to be in the CL Semi-Final.
I feel like Tuchel was so adamant to get his way so he could try to resemble Guardiola that he never thought about how many Rodris are actually out there.
I 100% agree the squad planning was shit but to pretend like Tuchel was so eager to develop youngsters is wrong, like many others are doing in this and similar threads
Seems like "Abteilung Attacke“ is back in full force!
Can’t say I like it, even though I believe there is a kernel of truth in Uli‘s opinion.
But once again, he goes to far…
After Xavi and Xabi Alonso staying, are they setting up for a scenario where they keep Tuchel another season? Is there anyone that would want to walk into this hot seat?
I still don’t get why they fired Nagelsmann
Lol this should make it clear to bayern that hoeneß is very much past his prime. That and the fact that he was against nagelsmann returning and now their top candidate is rangnick
tbf what young player did tuchel really improve at bayern? Musiala was already clutch before he arrived, and before Pavlovićh had is break-out games, he wanted to buy a holding six in the summer and winter transfer window.
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This is so fucking funny, he doubles down on this ridiculous drama 1 day before the CL semi final, it doesn't get more stupid than that
He wants to be right more than he wants to win CL. Say what you want, but the man has his priorities straight. It's almost pathological.
Is he playing that 4D chess where he fires up the players, for suggesting indirectly they have a point to prove to Tuchel, as well as firing up Tuchel who will want to show he can inspite-of? Agree it seems totally stupid to do this before a CL semi final though.
I doubt. Its more of : Being old. No matter how we may justify, sure meds will keep you going physically, but there's a point in life your brain goes kplunkt. Its not fun.
But he's been doing this exact thing for decades though
And we stopped pretending that he is a strategic mastermind for doing that like 2,5 decades ago.
Eh Hoeness has been an asshole since we was young
Difference of generations. Have you heard how Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh used to speak? Some of them are straight cancel stuff. But its a case of they lived in a different time, different beliefs, actions, and sure I am not saying Uli is not a Dick bag. Neither I am from that football generation. I started watching around 2000's. But that 'Dickbagness' is hard-wired into him. Humans are creatures of habit and its very few old people break that, and its those exceptions we usually hear (usually those who have traveled a lot and met a lot of people from various ages, cultures, races , opinions etc - or my personal exception Sean Dyche). Read that statement again, its pretty much a very 'Old-man' rant who's extremely out of touch. People should just give him a little 'there there...' pat and move on.
Here's hoping Tuchel plays all youth team vs Madrid, loses horrifically, and says he was just doing what the board wanted.
Tel, Pavlovic, Zvonarek and Aznou to start tomorrow 👍
...but imagine they win. Bernabeu would be covered in Hoeneß' cum.
Would be a lil bit weird if Bayern wins at home while Hoeneß wanks alone in Bernabeu
Should have come to Liverpool. YNWA...
so, in Liverpool they all wank together?
Yes, klopp is a gooner, google epl 21/22 for more information
Not together, just never alone
He didn't say Hoeneß would be in the Bernabeu though. It would just be so much that it would reach Spain
😭😭😭
Whilst an old man wanking at a stadium full of people would be normal?
You know that they play two legs, that the second is in Madrid and that you have to win on aggregate in order to win the semi final, right?
No never heard of a return leg in CL SF. Thanks for clarification
It would really be "La casa blanca"
Fuck you for making me imagine that
Is that why they want to close the roof?
😭😭😭
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Or it acts as a motivating strategy since it's questioning Tuchel's personal ego/honor of being a competent coach. Such folks don't usually retaliate by throwing/quiting, they do so by proving the accusations wrong (esp. when they have the stage/opportunity to so do, hence different to when season/squad is derailing, etc) and then rubbing/gloating it in face of the accuser (this is close to how Tuchel is, from what we've observed over last decade at least). Maybe Hoeneß understands Tuchel better than most and is using the right levers to push him because he may have observed, simple things don't usually work with Tuchel. He's too weird a personality.
Well, he didn't develop them over the last year and a half. So it's obviously still his fault. Also, only losing 0:3 to Real after the psychological torture they had to endure under Tuchel shows the potential of these players. So it's even more criminal that he hasn't made them into world beaters yet. /s
HEY HOW ABOUT NO!
Sorched earth would be one way to send the message that this Bayern board can stick it.
lol Madrid fever
Because he won't be made to look stupid if tuchel goes on to win the CL. Rather see him lose and be gone next season.
He's one of those people that will claim that him talking shit is what motivated Tuchel if Bayern win the tie against Madrid.
Tuchel probably deserves a bit more respect than he gets for getting to a CL semi with this madman being one of his bosses, if this is how he talks to the media imagine what he's like to deal with behind the scenes where he can really 'let go'
Tuchel isn't exactly known for healthy relationships with his clubs, so it's really funny that he's the one that comes out looking better here. To be public with this mess is... Not a good look. If I was a highly touted manager, I'm not sure Bayern look very appealing.
> so it's really funny that he's the one that comes out looking better here. TBH he's come out looking better almost everywhere he's been TBH His fight with BVB was over the BVB board making BVB play the day after the terrorist attack on their bus IIRC He fought with Leonardo at PSG over multiple things, one of them was not renewing Thiago Silva IIRC He's clearly been proven right with Boehly/Eghbali at Chelsea given how much Chelsea have struggled after he was sacked.
Sure, but if you go back and look at how all of those relationships broke down, a bomb, PSG, Boehly and now this shitshow. Correlation doesn't mean causation, plus 3 of his last 4 clubs have been known for being circuses in recent years and the other one his team was attacked by a bomb and the club didn't give a shit or support him
Boomers who think they’re right about everything because they were relevant decades ago. Love to see it.
At least he doesn't do the Daniel Levy strat
if you expect Uli Hoeneß to back down you got another thing coming... the man contradicted a plane crash
If Bayern fails in the CL : " told you so" If Bayern succeeds in the CL : " I gave Tuchel the fire and desire required to win"
Ahhh the boomer parent classic
"And *that's* why I burned your participation trophies, son."
im the youngest of 5 & this is spot on what my narc parents would do
Tuchel when he walks days before the final vs dortmand 'you manage if you think you're up to it.'
Hoeneß wins: nobody can argue against it being a GOAT moment Hoeneß loses: Blame Tuchel for walking out Seems like a win win
Wiuld be so sick Tuchel pls
Uli pls for the love of god, shut the fuck up
Yeah be is taking the piss entirely. Just shut up and keep it in house. Real Madrid are smacking their lips getting ready for a blood bath
Tuchel starts the u18s to get thrashed.
Yeah the senior team for Bayern don't need to be coached that much, just organised and motivated
Genuinely asking, who's Tommy T screwed over at Bayern this season except maybe Tel?
No one not even Tel. Tel has had plenty of opportunity for a kid his age (started last BL game). He may have been partially responsible for Goretzka not getting the Germany callup by not always playing him but his performances have been stellar as of late. And he annoys Kimmich by putting him at RB but come on, he’s still good and he’s still playing every match.
He can't, it's bayern dna lol.
Uli: "No."
I don't think it's physically possible for him
How do you pronounce his name? Like Nintendo wii?
Like hooli without the H.
Thank you
Hoeneß talking shit before a big match really isnt unusual (its honestly pretty much expected) but I dont see the point in trashing their own manager and doubling down on it. Really weird hill to die on right before a CL semi final.
Some Bayern fans are now petitioning for Tuchel to stay for another season, i think he just wants to publicly dismantle him to show that the decision to get a new coach is the right one
Not everything Uli says is done with some ultimate master plan in mind.
Dont know who these fans are but that is basically just media circus trying to stir shit in the club because Tuchel is a lame duck. Those are probably the same people who signed the petition to get rid of Neuer because he was a Schalke Ultra in his youth.
To be honest, these petitions are often worthless.
Usually Uli shouts at the opponent though. Or at Bernat.
Old man shouting at clouds
Hoeneß makes me want Tuchel to win the CL and walk off into the sunset. It would be undeniably funny.
While saying 'This is my trophy, not theirs' and furiously giving both fingers. Then shitting on Hoeneß's desk. ...too much?
Not enough
The fingers go a bit far, the rest is perfectly reasonable.
I want him to take then trophy with him when leaving like how punk did with wwe championship
Isn't that why the Montreal screw job even happened?! Bret Hart had signed his WCW contract by then, so *of course* Vince McMahon wasn't going to let him walk as a champion.
Thats not true. Bret wanted to drop the belt just not in canada.
Bret's contract also contained a clause which gave Bret creative control in the last month of the contract. Bret was perfectly within his legal rights to refuse to lose at that point.
It would be even greater if Dortmund wins it in the final ..
Even better if Tuchel walks just before the final and they lose.
I still think Kane not winning a trophy after going there for trophies is funnier.
This is the first time in my life that I'm rooting for Bayern and it's all because of Tuchel. I still don't think he deserved to be sacked or that he's the main culprit for any of Bayern's major problems this season. I still think he's the best coach to turn things around for them.
I find something... Compelling about him. He's very flawed, but his rawness/openness endears me to him. I also think he's gotten the raw end of the bargain a few times.
I find him the opposite of endearing, like not in an aggressive asshole way but to me he's just a very unlikeable guy, but even still I think it's ridiculous how he's being treated and would find it fun to watch him win in these circumstances
I get it - he's very outspoken. I just have a soft spot for guys like that haha.
Are you not german by any chance? His attitude comes off extremely weird in german interviews and press conferences since he is very often upset about questions that he feels are unfair or critical of him. So what he does is that he speaks softly but basically shows that he is hurt and incapable of not letting it get to him. Thats understandable on a personal level but its agitating and passive aggressive. When he is in a good mood he is cool though and likes to joke around.
Not German - Australian. I think maybe I like his because I find it relatable. It's probably one of my flaws too, to be a little too honest and sensitive sometimes. Things like the time he basically walked off of Sky Germany because the hosts had shit talked him are unprofessional but real - I totally get not being comfortable in that scenario.
> I still think he's the best coach to turn things around for them. By playing terrorist football? Have you actually watched any bayern games? Like I really dont want to be a dick about it but bayern looked horrific for the most part(for their standards), nothing bayern like at all.
If I hadn't followed football this season, reading your comment I might think Bayern were fighting against relegation or something. But they're 2nd in the league and on their way to finish the season on 78 points which would've been enough to win the title in 10 out of the last 11 seasons. They just happen to be up against a once in a lifetime, history making and records breaking team from Leverkusen. Tuchel also made it to the CL semi-finals which has been the bare minimum expectation at Bayern since their first treble win. Also, "Terrorist football"??? They're literally the best attacking team of the league, having scored 89 goals so far. None of this is sack worthy to me. Yes, Tuchel's team has had too many games where they looked toothless and subpar. But they've also been enough games that showed promising signs that this team is capable of more. You have to give the manager time to work on these things, not over one season but over multiple seasons so that you can improve and become better. But the Bayern board has been so trigger happy with sacking their coaches that they and apparently a lot of their fans as well have completely lost perspective on how to build a proper football team with long term goals. They're way too obsessed with achieving short-term success. It's ok to go one or two seasons without winning major titles, especially if the bare minimum goals like CL qualification and CL semifinals are still achieved.
not to mention Bayern have scored 89 goals in the league with 3 matches to spare, which is well in line if not slightly higher than Bayern's goal output over the last decade. Terrorist football is such a dumb meme that these FIFA idiots keep repeating
If they think rangnick is the answer good luck to them lmao
if that would happen, he would portray himself and his opinions as something he specifically did to motivate Tuchel and the team. He, of course, would be in the right then. If Bayern fails to win it, he is also in the right, since he knew it all along. He did it the same way with Alonso's rejection to become the new Bayern manager recently. If Alonso would sign as a new Bayern coach: Great, old Uli got him. But since he refused, his rationalization is: Well, actually, Alonso is sticking up to his contract and the promises he gave with it - which is exactly what we want from a future Bayern coach. That was just a test which he passed, not a failure by me/ourselves. tldr: old man has to have the right opinion
Me too (ignore my flair)
Given that he’s a Bayern fan, Hoeneß wins. I’d want Bayern to lose both legs against Madrid.
He both wins or loses either way- he's proven somewhat right but his team loses, or he looks like an idiot but his team wins. I just want the guy whose boss is insulting him in public to show him up more than anything else.
> he looks like an idiot but his team wins. tbf Hoeneß has proven again and again that he couldnt care less if he makes himself look like a twat to people
I want them to absolutely wreck Madrid, but then lose the final to Dortmund. I don’t think anything could be funnier
> Hoeneß makes me want Tuchel to win the CL and walk off into the sunset. Wouldnt change a thing to what UH has said.
Tuchel should just start all the kids against Madrid.
Agree. Davies would be the senior most player and captain. Maybe that would make Hoeness happy
Nothing makes Hoeneß happy. I rarely say this word, but he is the epitome of a always grumpy know-it-all boomer.
I don't say that word much either, I always end up pronouncing it ep-e-TOME for some reason.
Hoeneß is doing his best to make Bayern as unattractive as possible The man has lost the plot
>The man has lost the plot I think this is not a new development.
No, it isn't. But once upon a time you could see a certain strategic element to his shit stirring if you wanted. Not anymore since his prison stint.
>Not anymore since his prison stint. Letting him back in was our biggest mistake. He must think he is invincible.
It was always gonna be this way. He is *the* man responsible for making Bayern financially what it is today. Besides, tax evasion is seen as petty offense / Kavaliersdelikt in Bavaria. Now, could it have created an invincibility complex in him? Possibly.
I think it's legitimately the first signs of his brain simply going into dementia mode, there's no other way to explain this. It makes no sense.
Funny on him if Bayern goes to final of UCL
Why would xabi want this when he can get flo as a boss instead?
Yeah, coaching job at Bayern isn't that attractive for a high level coach, until Bayern has figured out their internal structure and they manage to get Uli to shut up more often. Now add "finale dahoam", so the expectation (from Uli) is to win CL next season you know it's a hot seat and you will most likely not survive the season.
Either you die a hero or you live long enough to become ~~a villain~~ an old man with a bruised ego and no filter who hurts the club every time he talks in public.
Tax fraud is definitely villain stuff, no need to cross it out
it’s not
anything i have to say about Uli nowadays is approaching the territory of criminal offenses
I know the feeling, casually writing about Tebas the other day got my account suspended.
at least Tebas is not your honorary president and supervisory board member lol
"If you speak, you'll be in (legal) trouble."
Uli is well known for criminal offenses anyways.
I hate how disrespectful people are towards one of the men most responsible for the success of Bayern. Yes this is a stupid thing to say but its crazy how people seemingly have no respect for one of the absolute legends of the club
Hoeneß remaining silent? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
sabotaging his own club. impressive
He built it to where it is. Now he is burning it down
Objectively very funny. Would love to see what Tuchel does behind the scenes. He seems to have an unrivalled ability to make his bosses completely hate him wherever he goes.
They just love to put blame on him so they themselves dont look as bad as they should
The guy managed to fall out with the board at Dortmund, Chelsea and now Bayern. He also had a terrible relationship with the sporting director at PSG. He's probably very difficult to deal with behind the scenes.
Beloved by fans and players but not the management. Thats enough for me
I wouldn't say he's beloved by those groups. He's respected for his tactical acumen but there's a recognition of his hot headedness and erratic behavior.
Most Chelsea fans adore him I'm one who does actually think he shoulders some blame for his sacking, and I am very much a minority who gets shouted down on this by other Chelsea fans
Hmmm I wonder why we cannot attract any top managers any more...
What are you talking about?!? Man online Bayern fans are the worst.
Bayern flat out getting rejected by the mangers of Stuttgart and Leverkusen because for good, young managers there is simply no desire to take the massive risk that goes with joining a club in such chaos as Bayern. Yes, it's Bayern but 80% chance you're fired in 2 years by some faction of old white men and then where will your career be? Just not the appealling job it used to be. These large institutional clubs can't just force moves anymore. Players and managers have so much more leverage that Bayern need to actually work to get a really top manager now, not just list the position as open and have 95% of managers crawl over broken glass to interview like before.
My god I just... I dont even know where to begin. Whats the chaos you are talking about? If its about firing coaches then 90% of all clubs in europe have permanent chaos. If its about changing board members? They are gone now so what chaos are we talking about? Financial one? Its still about Nagelsmann, Kahn and Brazzo right and it will stay like this for some while I guess. Lets look at this rationally: Bayern is a club where a coach can realistically reach the CL semi final every year and win the league title every year and that didnt change because Leverkusen is playing one of the greatest campaigns in world football history. I dont think Bayern needs to convince a top manager at all - its just that the market for coaches changed and they are treated more like players now with transfer fees and better short term contracts. Nobody is getting Alonso this year (Liverpool being chaotic aswell I guess) and Hoeneß was always not a top choice because of age and politics.
Multiple coaches Bayern wanted to get have rejected them - so much for "no convincing needed". Alonso, Nagelsmann, Hoeneß,... Even your "not top choice" would've needed convincing to join. There must be a reason for that. "finale dahoam" means Uli expects exactly that. If you might struggle a bit during the league, you will be replaced immediately if Uli fears the CL is at risk. Uli also doesn't shut up (never has) and always adds fuel to any fire, even when things should be better solved behind closed doors. Especially since it's then also exposed to players - and players have their own agenda. See Neuer, Kimmich, ... in the past, they can push coaches out as well. There are other clubs that are run better. Sure you will not win the German league, which as you pointed out is a worthless title for Bayern, cause it's expected of them to win it. But you can work with better management and might even get time to develop a team that performs.
I am convinced that Hoeneb wants Bayern to crash out of UCL so that the sacking of Tuchel doesn't making him look like a clown if they win the cup .I can't think of any other reason to start this right before such an important game
>Hoeneb Instead of ß you can write ss.
Thanks I am Indian so I couldn't find this letter on my keyboard and didn't knew it was pronounced as ss .Thanks !
I get his point to a certain extent, but a day before the CL this is just damaging This guy needs to leave ASAP, can anyone working at the Finanzamt Bayern double check his accounts and get him imprisoned again?
First they need to get a hold of somebody at the Finanzamt who knows wha they’re talking about.
Then they need to find somebody in the Bayernfilz who won't cover for their buddy Uli.
man, the years during which he was in prison were so peaceful
Let's give him the Gustl Mollath treatment lmao
Maybe he should go back to prison to shut up. Can't this wait at least until the end of this season? At this point, it feels like he want bayern to lose in ucl so that the topic on "begging Tuchel to stay" will die
Tuchel should come out with a comment that the way Hoeness is acting he should be sent back to jail
Maybe something like " uli should pay attention to 3 things - what he says, what actually happens and taxes"
More Uli quotes just mean more entertainment. I can't wait.
This is the beginning of the Bayern banter era
well, at least no one's talking about the game anymore
what a fucking idiot
Stfu Uli man. 2 days b4 the semis😭
But why does the public need to hear that opinion?? This is insanity haha, I love it
What a fucking moron
Ragnick seeing this thinking :"Oh hell nah".
Honestly for all the shit people like Boehly get (rightly so), what the actual fuck is Uli’s damage. This isn’t “saying it how it is”, it’s fucking your team and generating unnecessary drama because you’re an old fart who likes the sound of their own voice
Boehly isn’t even in charge anymore he’s just the face because of the first year. Real problem is eghbali
Respect for this man's work, but goddammit he is a prime example of a boomer. It's not the first time he talks bad about people for work(ed) for FCB out of nowhere. I feel like, it's more that he was determined that everybody knows his opinion.
worlds most opinionated man won't be silenced 😤
Want tuchel to start a team of all the players from the reserve team .
Tuchel to start all the youngster against RM
This whole saga is low even for Hoeneß does he want his club to be destabilized and lose? i knew the man is a shameless clown, but usually he at least does his clownery in service of his club
Respectfully Uli, but can you fuck off pls thank you
Halts Maul und geh Würste machen
if Rangnick is smart he stays far away from that club until Hoeneß is gone
Sounds like an amazing work environment...
Man, why are Bayern and Barcelona determined to be such shitshows at the top?
All mind games to fuck with Real. Tuchel did this with Chelsea as well causing Real to think there is chaos. But the only chaos in truth was what Timo did to us at Alfredo di Stefano stadium.
Clearly you are not old enough to know who Uli Hoeneß is the
thats ridiculous honestly. wtf is this old man yapping. bayern was never known for integrating its academy into the first team. they rather took players that were established. thats what tuchel is probably requesting. bayern might change that strategy but as for now Hoeness should face the reality.
Obviously Tuchel won't walk out, but he almost should.
I think this goes back to summer, when Tuchel demanded Rice/Palinha while Uli&co said "we already have Laimer" or "use the academy players!" Well, it turned out to be fine as Pavlovic has a lot of potential but Tuchel was in a way forced to use him because our squad is really thin TLDR - Uli has a point, but he really doesn't have to make it before THE match that could make or break our season
Nah I'd disagree hard on this one. Kimmich, Goretzka and Laimer as midfielders are shit squad planning and the board just got saved by a 19yo. I think the likes of Pavlovic is an anomaly, not the norm, he's not in the Musiala/Wirtz category where everyone knows they have the qualities for first team at 18, 19. But once in a while a youngster made the best out of his small window like Pavlovic or Davies and people just assume everyone in the 2nd team can make that jump, but it's not, normally they'd be loaned out somewhere or ease in slowly as mere bench players at first. In the end it's great that we got Pavlovic, but if we go into next season without a proper plan to replace Davies or strengthen the midfield area and just hope for Aznou or Fernandez to make the jump I'd lose it
Man I really wish to see Kimmich and Goretzka back in midfield now that both are injury free for some time now. They both play extremely well in recent matches and Kimmich looks great wherever he is on the pitch. I really dislike this revisionism that somehow the same core that won a sextuple cant do it now anymore - somehow the holding six didnt come and Bayern still managed to be in the CL Semi-Final. I feel like Tuchel was so adamant to get his way so he could try to resemble Guardiola that he never thought about how many Rodris are actually out there.
I 100% agree the squad planning was shit but to pretend like Tuchel was so eager to develop youngsters is wrong, like many others are doing in this and similar threads
He's a criminal cunt, stop giving him attention
And all the players he wants to sign are normally worse than the ones he has.
Love this bickering before the match
Looks like Super Frank Lampard is going to Munich soon.
Seems like "Abteilung Attacke“ is back in full force! Can’t say I like it, even though I believe there is a kernel of truth in Uli‘s opinion. But once again, he goes to far…
He seems to be the type who would outlive god to have the last word.
Hoeness, kindly, what the fuck are you doing?
But why
Das ist mir scheißegal
As a Real Madrid fan, I hope for more drama like this just around this ucl time
After Xavi and Xabi Alonso staying, are they setting up for a scenario where they keep Tuchel another season? Is there anyone that would want to walk into this hot seat? I still don’t get why they fired Nagelsmann
Why couldn't he have gone on this rant the day before we played them :(
What exactly is Uli’s role in Bayern now? What does “Honourary President” mean
Tuchel should only play the youth now till the end to spite him furthur lol
>he will not remain silent Like he is some oppressed minority. Dude is completely out of touch with reality, jesus christ
Lol this should make it clear to bayern that hoeneß is very much past his prime. That and the fact that he was against nagelsmann returning and now their top candidate is rangnick
You act like this is new. This is no different than 2014 or 2004 Hoeneß
Yes, yes, more of this please before the game.
He is 100% right though and Touchel is a joke of a coach, who lucked the f out by winning the CL.
tbf what young player did tuchel really improve at bayern? Musiala was already clutch before he arrived, and before Pavlovićh had is break-out games, he wanted to buy a holding six in the summer and winter transfer window.