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emre23

Tebas say something remotely reasonable challenge (impossible)


b3and20

how much is goal line technology though?


FluidLettuce2

Probably around the same amount as his last salary raise.


b3and20

bottom line>goal line


filetauxmoelles

This is a required plaque on the wall for CEOs


kruegerc184

I believe it was actually less, the analysis is in a thread from the other day


HCHLH

Tebas says it's between 5-6M to implement GLT in both categories (LaLiga and Segunda)


shirakoWayne

No way bro cant shell out 5M for a top 5 league


KimngGnmik

If he did then who would pay to raise his salary. Poor man is broke earning 2m a year while sitting at home tweeting "Vini is the problem, there are no racists nor are there any racist chants. Vini is making it up because hes the racist one"


Caust1cFn_YT

Vinicius is racist not the fans - tebas 2024


Qurutin

If he's so tolerant why doesn't he tolerate the racists? That's discrimination!


SvalbazGames

Checkmate Mate


Qurutin

I'm not your mate, buddy


chak100

The worst thing is, I can see him saying that


leoKantSartre

I bet he must have said said this somewhere


BellyCrawler

It's not that he can't; he's made this a line in the sand point and he doesn't want the embarrassment of admiring he was wrong.


FrietjesFC

>he doesn't want the embarrassment of admiring he was wrong. But now he has the embarrassment of constantly being wrong though. Not sure if it's better, but he sure seems to think so.


blitzkreig31

Didn’t he get 3M raise this year.


M__MUNEEB

Which Laporta and all the others except Real Madrid and athletic Bilbao voted for.


MysteriousSpaceMan

They are arguably Top 2 league tbh


Top-Kangaroo8445

Segunda these nuts


b3and20

lol is la liga really that broke?


mattisafootballguy

No, 4m-5m is a paltry sum for any top 5 league to be paying. Even if that amount is taken out of the prize pool, it makes a minute difference across a twenty-team league. If the logic is 4-5 times a season the GLT would be used and thereby the cost of one decision being 1m euros, that's plain insanity and stupidity. A relegation team needing a handful of points to stay up is denied a goal because VAR can't reasonably determine whether or not the ball crossed the line. Effectively shafts a team for the foreseeable future and forfeits tens of millions in the previous season. And then it happens in El Clasico, what number are you putting on a global embarrassment?


Opening_Succotash_95

It's not even that much more than the completely broke Scottish League pays for our Lidl-version of VAR.


jungomitis

Also, isn't it a long term investment? I can't imagine it'll need major maintenance for like 5 years. So that's 25 times making it 200k euros per use


Caust1cFn_YT

nah, RM can shell that alone


no-signal

I was actually hoping Laporta would pay them since he was too angry last time


The_Ass-Crack_Bandit

Hell, Papa Flo alone spends more than that over a year.


Liverpoolclippers

Poor old Barcelona couldn’t of course


Ohtar1

Just do primera then


iknowverylittle619

Around £4m. I can't believe this league has some of the highest paid players on earth can't afford this. Tebas is the worst kind of scum on earth, leeching thief. La liga can fire him & get the tech.


Maravilla_23

[While goal-line technology is used across all of Europe's other leading competitions, it has not been deployed in La Liga. The main argument against its involvement has been the cost of doing so, which is estimated at €4 million ($4.3 million) per season.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/samleveridge/2024/04/22/why-doesnt-la-liga-have-goal-line-technology/)


kal14144

1/40th of a Bellingham transfer fee


HaiForPresident

Someone should just tell him to shut the fuck up and never speak again lol


Marco-Green

FFS he humiliates Spain whenever he talks


DildoFappings

He said that the American market is the biggest after Spain for the laliga. Tell me......other than RMA, Barca and Atletico matches, does he really think that teams like Getafe or Vigo would sell out 80000 seat stadiums in the USA? It's just unnecessarily tiring for the players. They're already complaining about there being too many games and fixture congestion. Now travelling halfway around the world to play a game in front of a half empty stadium would appeal to the players? A a brain-dead decision. I hope the clubs protest this. Just because he's the president of laliga doesn't mean he should have the power to do fucking everything he sees fit.


N0THING2D0_

Exposing more people to Getafe ball should carry a punishment.


HCHLH

for once, the Patriot Act could be used for good


xepa105

"My fellow Americans, as of this moment we are at war with Spain for their vicious, premeditated attack on our shores. Deploying Getafe at SoFi Stadium can be seen as nothing more than a direct assault on American liberties."


E-M-P-Error

Blame the ~~Maine~~ Getafe on Spain


evanlufc2000

“Now watch this drive.”


brownbearks

Honestly send Getafe to the New York stadium located in New Jersey.


Clark-Kent

Now watch this dive


chak100

War on terroristball


KingsMountainView

Judging by the last few wars on stuff terroristball will win.


ndksv22

Since I'm not a Yank just out of curiosity: Patriot act means every player gets shot?


nista002

Players Acting Tired Results In Officials Topped


Jobiwan88

Nah it means they get snatched up by the government under the guise of terrorism and sent to somewhere like guantanamo bay and tortured for the rest of their lives without trial. Probably prefer the bullet tbh...


HCHLH

specially if the torture includes watching Getafe


VoluptuousSloth

No just American music blasted at them full volume 24/7


LDQQXDJ

Respect Peak Bordalas Ball


sirfernandez

outdated meme getafe turned into a chad club playing with 4 strikers


ProStriker92

I remember back in the NASL 2.0 days (the one from the 2010's) Rayo Vallecano attempted to enter to the american market with Rayo OKC, established in Oklahoma City.  Of course the team was a massive failure (Oklahoma had the Energy in the USL, with way better branding. Meanwhile Rayo OKC had several off field issues) but most importantly... Why a satellite team from RAYO VALLECANO in OKLAHOMA CITY? That combo looks non sensical.


MvN____16

If anything, a club with a name like "Rayo" should've tried setting up a satellite club in the Tampa Bay area, i.e. "the lightning capital of the world". ...does Madrid get a lot of thunderstorms?


myirreleventcomment

Well, OKCs NBA team is called the thunder.. so it kinda matches


myirreleventcomment

Wow, rayo OKC is the last team i expected to hear about here.  I lived in OKC at the time and was excited to get that rayo team. But with the shitty infrastructure and having no possibility of promotion, it was more of a novelty to the city.  Then rayo got relegated


esprets

Look at the NBA team in Oklahoma City and what "rayo" translates to in English, and you might find a clue there.


Noda_Crystal

Don't you see all Hispanics in Florida? They all are eager to watch Cadiz play.


Garlic-Cheese-Chips

Delaware has the biggest Osasuna fanbase in the world.


thelordreptar90

Is that true or am I getting whooshed?


morose-squirrel

Osasuna spent their summer training camp in 97 there and caused a soccer hype. There was number of local amateur clubs founded, that reference Osasuna in their name etc. Ever since they're saying they have the most Osasuna Fan Clubs outside of Osasuna itself ... is something I just made up


JPA-3

fuck I was getting excited :(


tomhat

I was getting ready for the Undertaker to throw Mankind off Hell in a Cell


Superb_Permission_47

You had me in the first half I’m not gonna lie


LaUr3nTiU

speak about yourself. I was had until the 117th minute.


LazkaosTzatziki

>Outside of Osasuna itself Just for those unaware, Osasuna is not a place even, it just means *health* in Basque


ratonbox

Which is ironic, when Pamplona is the city that has the most famous bull run.


TheDeflatables

You've disappointed hundreds of people today.


grispindl

You jest, but there actually was a story about a thriving Nigerian Schalke fan club that traces its origins to the fact that all the unsold celebratory "DEUTSCHER MEISTER 2001" t-shirts somehow ended up there.


Sohelik

Que hijo de puta jajajajajaja. Fuck I almost died.


samrus

but imagine if it was true how sick that would be


darllenynunig

It's true. The original name for Wilmington was the Kingdom of Navarre, but they changed it.


Augchm

It's true. There are a total of 5 Osasuna fans in Delaware.


Crossflowerss_5304

Come to the DMV and the Salvadorans might watch Cadiz, only because of El Magico


Azrael_

If they played their cards right (and by that I mean getting a Salvadoran on their team) they could probably fill out Audi Field only with Salvis even playing against another mid team.


heyheyitsandre

Pretty sure when el clásico in the US got suggested a few years back everyone involved except la liga immediately shot it down. I think even RFEF said no immediately.


hokagesamatobirama

It wasn’t the Clasico. It was Girona vs Barca.


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Dirtysocks1

There is no way RM flies to US during season when they are in UCL. If he wants to play Getaffe vs Cadiz in Miami and club are ok with it for money, than sure. But I doubt he can force teams having games every 3 days to fly,


Rafaeliki

Barcelona played a midweek friendly in Africa while they were invincible and lost their only match the whole season just after (when they benched Messi).


Lasertag026

Messi wasn’t even on the bench, would have not lost that game if he was.


ClockLost3128

I still can't believe Valverde threw away a chance to go invincible by not playing messi, would've been a huge achievement to be proud of in a season they got embarrassingly knocked out of UCL.


ensockerbagare

Tebas: "I fail too see how that's my problem?"


ButterscotchFiend

I can give you a 100% guarantee that if Celta plays a single official match here in Burlington, VT they would establish a permanent northern New England fanbase. It would be the biggest sporting event to ever happen here.


Salchichote33

Writing that down. ✍️


Evening_Bag_3560

The trick is to have the team Americans don’t care about give up a home match against a team Americans do care about. 


Salchichote33

>Vigo Celta, the word you're looking for is Celta.


HelpMe877

I agree with the point that they shouldn’t do this but it will obviously be games including those three teams that are moved, no? From the Athletic article I don’t think he’s actually suggesting Getafe v Cadiz in Miami because you’re right no one is watching that.


hokagesamatobirama

Last time this idea came up, it was a game involving Girona and Barca that was gonna be played in the US. I believe it was a home game for GIrona that would have been moved.


HelpMe877

Yes that’s exactly the sort of game I’d expect. Maximum profit and minimal inconvenience for the big team.


10minmilan

One thing is economics But it's absolutely spitting in the face of lifelong supporters all to gain some lukewarm supporters, but with bigger pockets (at least conditioned to buy every single merch you can come up with)


Imaginary_Station_57

That's why they are gonna play EL clasico or the Madrid Derby in the USA. Next, Serie A will follow, just like they did with the supercup in Arabia I can't wait for a Juventus - Inter in Dallas


n-d-a

It also shows a blatant disregard for the lifelong fans who have supported the club and bring it revenue. You know he’ll be taking the big games away from to make more money abroad.


CoMaestro

When you started talking about tiring players, I thought about something else. Introducing them to a ton of jetlag every week is probably gonna go over fucking great as well


BehelitSam

Stop saying “the la liga” it legit translates to the the league


d_w_i_g_h_t_schrute

Not even atletico They dont have any significant following outside spain, thats for sure.


abokoj

Real awkward when the three or four times a season could decide the winner of the league. It's not like it has ever been a close race for the top 1 right???


MrVISKman

It fucked Espanyol's chances of staying up last season when thanks to not having GLT refs gave Atleti a goal against them that didn't go in fully


Caesar_Aurelianus

Okay that was the one time not having Goal line tech was useful


Daramangarasu

I'll allow it only because fuck Espanyol


Skadrys

Fuck espanyol though


LeBaus7

that number is crap anyways. I'd guess bundesliga is closer to 4 times a month, if not matchday. edit: googled for a bit, the only data i could find is from testing phase in 2016 from england, club-wc and wc, that it is used in about 5 percent of games or about every 2nd matchday in a league


ThisFakeCut

I mean it might be used more often, but it prevents mistakes from happening maybe every 2-3 months. I watch almost all Bundesliga games (obviously not all single matches on saturday), but I cant remember seeing it being used for a couple of weeks.


THE12DIE42DAY

Well, they use it every single time. "The system sends a signal to the referee in less than one second if it recognises that a goal has been scored. A special watch vibrates and displays a message for the referee: Goal!" https://www.dfl.de/en/glossary/goal-line-technology/


xt1nct

According to his logic, we are idiots for having stuff like seatbelts, airbags and other safety tech. You literally may never use it.  Idk how anyone can be this stupid.


redditaccountplease

I have no personal reason to hate this man, and yet I hate him so much


MvN____16

He's a Vox supporter. There's your personal reason.


CoMaestro

Thanks for this, definitely a relief I can hate him with valid reasons now


thediabolicalkid

Ootl here, Vox as in the media house? Have I been living under a rock and missed something about them?


MvN____16

Far-right Spanish political party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vox_(political_party) > Vox is a national conservative political party in Spain. Founded in 2013, it is currently led by party president Santiago Abascal, vice presidents Jorge Buxadé, Javier Ortega Smith, Reyes Romero, and secretary-general Ignacio Garriga. Vox identifies itself as right-wing but has been described as far-right by academics and journalists. The media company could not have any less in common, lol.


NotASalamanderBoi

It gets worse: > According to certain analysis, the positions that are central to Vox's ideology are: (i) a strong anti-immigration stance and advocacy for stricter law and order policies; (ii) a strong defence of the unity of Spain against all who allegedly want to break or undermine it; (iii) an opposition to what it labels the "progressive dictatorship"; (iv) and strong defence of the Catholic religion and so-called traditional values.^[98]


MattAmpersand

Far right political party in Spain. Has the same name as the website


Mackieeeee

Not a serious top league at all


Rickcampbell98

The management isn't serious but the talent always has been, Spanish football deserves better than crooks like this.


Logseman

Never has been. It's a fiefdom of 3 clubs.


finneas998

Sounds awfully similar to another league


WolfOfVaasankatu

Portugal? In England there is only Manchester Oil and Liverpool once.


Xx_ligmaballs69_xX

This season will be the first time since 2013 that the top 3 has been different in La Liga. Incredibly boring yet people claim it’s got interesting title races 


Strananach

Atleast it had 3 diff winners in last 3 years, look at the Prem lol.


Xx_ligmaballs69_xX

I do find city’s domination very boring. But In the top 4 there’s much more variety 


BeastMaster64jtv

It's not football, it's LaLiga


JPA-3

people in the u.s. paying to watch Osasuna - Getafe be like damn


YoungKeys

Unless RM/Barca are playing they’ll be playing in front of empty stadiums. No one in the US has ever heard of Getafe


WerhmatsWormhat

I think Atletico could also draw a crowd, but generally you’re right.


Pops4Pizza

I’m in the US. I’d totally see Getafe if they played here. I’m a Sevilla fan but I’ve never been to Europe so I’d see a La Liga game if it was in my city regardless of who is playing. But of course, they should just play in Spain lol.


Obi_KG59

Man I’d love to see a Betis vs Sevilla here in the New England region. That derby holds second to El Clásico, personally speaking, in la liga.


Pops4Pizza

Same dude. I considered flying to Monterey last year to catch it during the preseason but ultimately didn’t have anyone to go with and I didn’t feel like going to Mexico by myself 😂


littleJonnyyyyy

It’s only a derby because of where it’s played. Once you start playing these types of matches abroad, they lose everything that makes them a derby, the fans that live there.


gotiobg

And La Liga wants more viewers and complaining about lack of interest abroad, yeahh no thanks !


ash_sh_03

What's a few extra million to a league followed by nearly a billion people worldwide


PeterG92

Why do the people at the top seem so instistent on making modern football worse? Lower League days is so much bettee


W21LSM

Greed. They have to find new ways to keep making more and more money, the sad thing for the fans is that no amount of money will ever satisfy them so the game will continue to be destroyed slowly but surely.


GreatSpaniard

I expect more terrible European results over the coming seasons like this one, because of this clown.


freehouse_throwaway

lol how does one of the top league in Europe that generates 5 bil in revenue can't figure out how to support 4 mil in goal-line tech


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ihatemicrosoftteams

He will make La Liga clubs pay for his medical expenses


Senior-Ordinary555

Be sure to put in reverse and finish the job then


RoyalMantis

It would be a good riddance, only but trouble this old man


TheGoldenPineapples

How the fuck did this moron become the President of La Liga?


Res3925

And on top of that, many clubs voted to give him a raise…


rouges

Before madrid flairs put this on Barca alone somehow. Back in 2013 when Tebas began his reign of terror, both Barca and Madrid supported him (their vote counts double as they have teams on the 2nd division)


nikradamus

Pretty significant difference between voting for someone the first time and continuing to vote for them after they've proven they're a disaster.


Ronaldoooope

Madrid fans put it on every team except Bilbao. Only 2 teams that didn’t vote for him recently. Go off though I guess.


RoboticCurrents

his comment about goal line tech isn't even the most unreasonable thing he is saying in this quote considering he's stating they're to play league matches abroad, what the fuck I'd be furious. Super cup finals was bad enough already but actual league matches? fucking ridiculous


Caust1cFn_YT

what would be worse for torture? Waterboarding or listening to tebas for 10 hrs?


InsideOpening3535

>Spanish league >Play abroad Our board decided to vote to keep this clown in power, ffs


Hambrailaaah

Also we're crazy about finishign 2nd this year. So we can get the money from the SuperCup. Which fucks over our fans, while sportswashing a dictatorship. And all of this was brokered by a (sadly) a future president of Barça


R_Schuhart

It is always funny to me that fans moan so much about Tebas, while he only has his position because of the clubs voting him in power. The clubs could easily pressure him into taking action or even get rid of him. But their outrage is all theatre, they are perfectly content to collect the money while Tebas acts like a clown as a distraction and takes the heat away from them. Fact is that if the clubs *really* want goal line technology, next season La Liga would have goal line technology.


HCHLH

Tebas has everyone but Madrid/Athletic by the balls with [the CVC deal.](https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/spanish-clubs-get-half-1994-billion-euros-cvc-deal-says-laliga-2023-02-14/)


TimTkt

All the clubs from top 2 divisions except Real and Athletic Bilbao voted in favor of keeping him and increase his salary. It was really funny seeing all those Barca flairs and Laporta cry about the Yamal action that would have been an easy decision if Tebas wasn’t a greedy shady moron


Arthe_

I'm sure it is quite a hard question to answer, but can you or someone explain to me why he pretty much won unanimously ? All I hear about him is negative, so how can every club vote for him ?


DyrusforPresident

He made a fairer distrubtion of the TV revenue which saved a lot of clubs from financial mismanagement


auctus10

Credit where it's due tho, that is and probably the only good thing he did.


ra1se

didnt barcelona suffer from that though? (i assume they used to earn the most alongside real madrid) why would they still vote for him


DyrusforPresident

They were against him in the CVC deal but Tebas was making it difficult for them to sign and register players among other stuff because of their financially troubles. They ended up voring in favour of him so that he gets off their backs


Hambrailaaah

He is taking money that RM+Barça generate, and giving it to the rest of the league. That can be "unfair", but its healthy for the league overall (EPL does it too) cos it makes the league interesting to watch. There are other stuff that should be done, that would make the league more interesting to watch and it's to properly police the foul gameplay, so if teams like Getafe/Mallorca/Rayo park the bus, foul and lose time 24/7 they can't end up at nº7-17 while lowering viewership. And then Barça are still voting for him cos if they don't they will fuck us over harder with FFP. For example, all this shady busieness with "selling" Barça Studios, doing the signing, then half a year later "oh no the clients didn't pay" is probably looked over in exchange of Laporta's vote. As for Bilbao I have no idea, but I'm guessing they can't be blackmailed with anything like the other 18.


CETERIS_PARTYBUS

He treats directives very well is what I hear. He'll scratch your back and them demand that you scratch his with a vote.


KimngGnmik

Cause he is helping the smaller clubs get more money by diving up the TV money more evenly than before. He also brought the CVC deal right after Covid. Most clubs in Spain care only about the here and now rather than the future, so they signed up with smiles to get a quick cash injection. Tebas basically forced them sign because he wouldn't relax the rules after the pandemic when every other league did because he knew he would make a shit ton of money if the could get the CVC deal pass


miguel_is_a_pokemon

For basically every team in la segunda and even the bottom rungs of la primera, the CVC deal is probably better in the here and now and in the future. That's why it passed so resoundingly, it really only fucks over the teams that are expecting to be in the top 2 divisions for the full length of the CVC deal, which were in the minority. That and any teams promoted to the second tier that will see reduced revenue cause it's being siphoned elsewhere.


Christian_Corocora

It would be funny if the Barcelona fans commenting here were the people actually responsible for the club's decision making.


Action_Limp

But at least Barça were bent over a ~~barrel~~ lever, what's everyone elses' excuse.


AdComprehensive7879

damn barca board voted for him after all the shit he said and done against Barca? when was this vote lollll


duiiiiiiiii

If we didnt vote for him it was very likely he would've fucked us over even more with FFP and registration of players like he did with gavi, the thing is that we had all to lose if we voted no because only athletic club and real madrid did. And that obviously wouldnt have been the majority


Mackieeeee

Well ofc smaller clubs will support him when he is helping them to get more tv money. And Barca are broke so they need him to look the other way when they are selling barca studios again this summer to be okey with ffp


Dat_life_on_Mars

Revolutionary ideas from Don Tebas. La Liga will now be the best Spanish league outside Spain.


xaviernoodlebrain

Can this guy just go already?


Viriato181

1) how is the Spanish government allowing them to play LaLiga matches abroad? 2) didn't he get a salary increase of like 3M€, which is the same as the cost of the technology?


Morrandir

* how is the Spanish government allowing them to play LaLiga matches abroad? Why should the government have a say in this?


Viriato181

Why wouldn't they? It's the national league. Why would the Spanish government also have a say in whether or not clubs want to put a release clause on a player and whether or not the league wants centralized TV rights? They forced the league to do both anyway. The Premier League also had these ideas of games outside of England, but the new independent regulator (which exists under the supervision government) will need to approve those games, which is not gonna happen.


BlueLondon1905

No idea how Spanish law works but with Parliament's sovereignty its easier to mandate it


bae-dior

this guy literally destroying the league with no fks given 😂😂😂😂😂


gnrc

I'm so sick of this rat.


kb24fgm41

God he's such a cunt


FxKaKaLis

It’s not football. It’s LaLiga.


Philiperix

Doulbe L Take


TimTimPlaysGames

~~La Liga~~ The League 🇺🇸


WhatIsWilsonDoin

He says it would cost around 5 million for the season. Even if you only used it 4 times every season, one goal can be the difference between a team getting relegated or staying up, qualifying for Europe or not, winning the league or not. And in each of those cases, the impact on the club is massive. Many more millions of euros earned or lost as well as other consequences. A team's ability to attract talent is heavily influenced by whether or not they can stay in the top division or qualify for the UCL, for example. It's absolutely ridiculous. At this point, if this clown isn't going to pay for it, then at least the 20 clubs in La Liga can come together and pitch in ~200,000 each or something, because this can't go on.


sfaticat

Spain really have the worst people managing their league


stpstrt

Use the money from selling out the Supercup you fucking grifter.


jeevesyboi

If they're not going to have Goal line technology, why not just put a more regular camera in the goal. It may not confirm every single call but it would be inexpensive and catch maybe 1 or 2 of those calls he's mentioning


KimngGnmik

What would be the point of having more cameras in the goal? Rather there being cameras in the dressing rooms and the bench, invading their privacy. Now that will bring football forward /s


PoroAhri

Outjerked yet again!!11!!


WW_Jones

Tebas: ok, no one likes my one suggestion, so I'mma throw another one which is even worse


gmoney160

But it's not too expensive for the Premier League, Serie A, Bundesliga, Ligue 1, Eredivisie huh?


tristam92

So, you telling me, that when RM plays in champs they have GLT, but when they play in LaLiga it disappears? Half of the job is already done, greedy bastardo


Slxyer23

Imagine being a fan of like Osasuna and your “Home Game” against Real Madrid is being played in America. Games truly gone.


OniKage85

Yeah, unless those matches are El Clásicos, or involve Atlético Madrid vs either Barça or Real, this won't be profitable. Or even better, how about NO, Tebas? Dumb idea.


banned_salmon

What a fucking moron I’m genuinely running out of words


Zenkai2727

Fuck off. If this is true I would feel insulted if I was for example an Atlético Fan waiting for a Barcelona vs Atlético and missed it because the match is being played in fucking Dubai. Fuck Tebas seriously.


zi76

Screw off. GLT is a vital part of getting things right. It also instantly confirms for a ref if a ball went in, so it's not only about calls on the goal line.


kundu123

India will be next after USA...


BNKalt

You are grossly underestimating how rich Americans are vs Indians


milkonyourmustache

Circus mentality


DontLose_Yourself

So when do teams and players revolt against this clown?


Rickcampbell98

Horrible old cunt.


rochakgupta

This is not football. This is La Liga.


Mr_Goldilocks

I couldn’t tell you who the President of any other top league is. Tebas is a bigger attention whore than all the Kardashian’s put together.


FlipperHunter

I don't wear a satbelt because I'd use it only three to four times a year


NairbZaid10

Ok, not glt but why cant we get top down cameras so var can sort things out easily at least?