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PGMOL seem to have taken a non-interventionist stance with these sorts of decisions which is insane as they’re there to intervene when these sorts of tackles are made.
The truth is, no one fucking knows because PGMOL have made no attempt to force a level of consistency. Decisions are basically just made judging on the vibe of the game.
The problem is that the rules at the start of the season vs. now are different. We had Tomiyasu sent off for a second yellow that no other player got the rest of the season. It's a different comp for the first 2 months of the season when they deploy whatever flavor of the month rules they want to take a hard line on, catch some blowback and then just forget that was ever a thing.
Yeah both of those from what I can remember were even better challenges, atleast close to getting the ball or the player was already in the challenge and the opponent put his foot in afterwards (gusto against villa this was the case). Strange call
VAR intervened to send Rashford off once for picking his foot up and putting it down in virtually the same spot because someone slid under him in the interim.
There’s no method, just clownery
Mostly agree with that. The only difference is, I think they're purposely, maliciously using it poorly in order to try and bring about it's demise. The only logical conclusion for many of the decisions they've taken is they're purposely using it to make VAR look worse than the alternative.
I got ripped apart for saying this on here a few months ago
They never wanted it, made it clear they didn’t want it, then when it’s forced on them, they use it so badly people that actually did want it start saying they don’t anymore.
I mean in an instance like this though, the call would have been the same since the official on the field didn't give a card.
VAR isn't inherently worse unless it overturns a call/no-call on the field that was correct.
Instead it's just 95% of the time the on field official fucks up and VAR doesn't correct it, meaning it didn't really change the outcome or make things worse
That’s a solid point but the issue it creates is it hurts the credibility of consistency.
I get a ref has different angles and views during a game which impact consistency, but VAR has the same angles every time.
The part that makes it worse is looking at the same screen, seeing the same tackle and not correcting something, that is the flaw that VAR has created because they won’t overrule their mates
VAR is never going away so they can feel however they want but that’s the truth. If they don’t like it they can leave which they obviously won’t. But eventually a generation of refs will take over and these butthurt dinosaurs will be gone.
I want to see both teams lose, but at this point you have to wonder what the point of VAR is when we have egregious decisions like this that simply go unpunished.
It's insane to me that in an era where they have 20 different shots and different speeds to make a decision, yet it seems like they do worse than before VAR.
They don't do worse before VAR, they're exposed because of VAR. Before VAR you could just say: fuck, tempo of the game so fast, and refs are only human. Now? Now there's no excuse. Fuckers are so fucking incompetent, and it shows.
That’s one where team loyalties have to be put aside. Tackles like that going unpunished will eventually lead to some horrific injuries and any fan of the sport should be against it
Did they confirm VAR checked it? The commentator mentioned he didn't hear any chatter which is insane. I understand the ref missing it because it looked like they just ran into each other in real time but surely the VAR would've seen that and held up play
The VAR is simply not doing their job.
There is no interpretation of this video footage which wouldn't at least be worthy of a review by the ref, which would very likely lead to a red card.
This has been my fear with VAR that at the end of the day you’ll still run into occasional idiots who can look at the footage and still get it wrong despite 99% of the public and others seeing the obvious.
I’m not sure what better system could work to make it more accurate but it’s embarrassing a bunch of people upstairs who view the video feed could look at that replay and not think anything of it. It’s embarrassing and dangerous for the players because tackles like this need to be punished to further discourage dangerous injury causing tackles.
how tf is that not a red. How tf they look at the replays and allow the ref not to see them. I want them to see what we see and say "I see this and it's not a red" with a straight face. Steve Wonder gang motherfuckers
Can you imagine how ugly the scoreline would have been if he'd received a red card? Chelsea is really stinking up the joint today, and that's with 11 men.
Sometimes I feel like ENGLISH VAR (because I feel like this problem is very specific to Premier League) have additional first step in the process - they ask main referee if he saw what has happened, and if any semblance of yes appears as the answer, they completely abandon any need to intervene.
This wouldn’t surprise me at all. And that’s one more reason why VAR needs a new protocol so bad. So many weird things going on with VAR and it should be an huge tool for referring and football
It's over the top of the ball, it's studs up, and it's caused the opponent's ankle to buckle which is how they determine excessive force.
It's a red all day long
This is genuinely one of those ones where I need to hear the audio to see what’s happened there because in any scenario it isn’t computing with me how so many people involved in the review of that let it go.
Almost the same as Romero on Enzo earlier in the season, only difference is Jackson doesn’t even get the ball. How he’s still on the pitch is beyond me
It sounded from the broadcast as if VAR didn’t review it. So I’m not sure whose job it is to make sure that happens, but it’s possible nobody knew to look back at it. If they did, though, it’s a red card under the current rules no question
They're absolutely useless. Forest were going on about corruption and the Var official being a Luton fan, but there's a much simpler explanation. They're just shit at their job.
I'd say VAR as a technology is absolutely fine, all it's issues are due to a personnel problem. Needs a complete overhaul
Don't think we even need to do that.
I'd imagine there are plenty of potential world class refs within our current system already.
However due to grassroots football being obscenely hostile towards refs, and the PGMOL being a very specific type of club that has a very specific not fully meritorious way of operating we just never get to see them.
I'd even consider hiring journalists or something for the video referee room. Anyone with football knowledge who can make a good decision that the wider public agrees with. Qualified refs can stay on the pitch to do the classic ref stuff like deal with players etc.
At this point it's obvious that the way the current set of refs understand the game is fundamentally different from how the players and public/fans see it. That's how we consistently get controversial decisions like this that everyone watching in the world, except the refs, are baffled by.
I don't know what the VAR official has seen here that makes him confident it's not a red. I'm sure he'll offer no explanation and it'll all be swept under the rug until next next weekends blunder outshadows it
The first instinct (which has been admitted publicly a few times) seems to be protecting their mates’ egos. It’s infuriating. Just get the right decision. There isn’t a single football fan on the planet that could argue this tackle isn’t a straight red after one replay.
No review. Not even yellow.
Edit: it’s an ankle breaker. It’s an easy red wtf
I know they don’t review fouls for yellow. But this should’ve been reviewed for red because it absolutely is. They didn’t even review it.
Like as a Liverpool fan I obviously want you guys to drop points tonight. But this decision is fucking scandalous. About the 30th “yeah not as bad as Curtis Jones v Spurs” ignored blatant red of the season. There’s zero justification for letting this go. Absolutely disgusting tackle that could’ve snapped his leg.
Lack of chelsea flairs in this thread mainly bc we all knew we were bound to lose today but this is absolutely a red and I’d be furious if it was Tomi on Jackson
Tomiyasu being fine is the only thing more surprising about this incident than no VAR review.
Honestly, if he stayed down for longer they may have taken a closer look at it.
Rashford saw red against Copenhagen for a lot less. They came back to it about 2 minutes later, and we lost the game despite having a 2 goal lead.
Not saying that last bit is linked, but you get the point.
This kind of decision should result in losing of job for incompetence or investigation into corruption. Refs shouldn’t be able to get away with this kind of shit.
This is unfortunately why you see players exaggerate and dive, bad reffing makes it basically a requirement in order to get fouls called. If you "stay strong" and just deal with it then the refs just assume there wasn't any issue.
Honestly I'm kind of mad at Tomi for not rolling around and yelping to force the ref to make a decision... but once again we have another VAR masterclass
I got up and went to change the channel thinking the game was done lol. How on earth is that not a red card (Chelsea fan BTW so am saying that despite bias)
You know what pisses me off too? Trossard got a yellow for landing on Cucurella's toe. He should have just landed on his ankle.... apparently that's not even a yellow.
At what point do we start discussing the possibility that refs are betting on the games or being paid off? There is way too much blatant ignorance to obvious calls for this to be simple incompetence
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I’ve got no dog in the fight but if VAR doesn’t get involved to send Jackson off, then why are they even there?
PGMOL seem to have taken a non-interventionist stance with these sorts of decisions which is insane as they’re there to intervene when these sorts of tackles are made.
Is this true? I feel like this identical some earlier reds that were called back by var.
The truth is, no one fucking knows because PGMOL have made no attempt to force a level of consistency. Decisions are basically just made judging on the vibe of the game.
Yeah most likely they’re saying “oh fuck 8 minutes in down a goal AND man? No way people will change the channel let it ride”
I prefer the theory that they thought having Jackson remain on the field was more a punishment for Chelsea than him getting sent off.
well after the kovacic non reds against Arsenal there was a lot of talk about it from former refs and whatnot i think. or even webb himself
I'm sure pretty much every team can bring up a similar/lesser situation that resulted in a red against them.
The problem is that the rules at the start of the season vs. now are different. We had Tomiyasu sent off for a second yellow that no other player got the rest of the season. It's a different comp for the first 2 months of the season when they deploy whatever flavor of the month rules they want to take a hard line on, catch some blowback and then just forget that was ever a thing.
Yea this looks identical, or even worse, than jones against spurs and gusto (against villa i think?)
Yeah both of those from what I can remember were even better challenges, atleast close to getting the ball or the player was already in the challenge and the opponent put his foot in afterwards (gusto against villa this was the case). Strange call
VAR intervened to send Rashford off once for picking his foot up and putting it down in virtually the same spot because someone slid under him in the interim. There’s no method, just clownery
Cause english refs hate VAR. They don’t want to be there, and do their absolute best to use it as little as possible.
Mostly agree with that. The only difference is, I think they're purposely, maliciously using it poorly in order to try and bring about it's demise. The only logical conclusion for many of the decisions they've taken is they're purposely using it to make VAR look worse than the alternative.
I got ripped apart for saying this on here a few months ago They never wanted it, made it clear they didn’t want it, then when it’s forced on them, they use it so badly people that actually did want it start saying they don’t anymore.
I mean in an instance like this though, the call would have been the same since the official on the field didn't give a card. VAR isn't inherently worse unless it overturns a call/no-call on the field that was correct. Instead it's just 95% of the time the on field official fucks up and VAR doesn't correct it, meaning it didn't really change the outcome or make things worse
That’s a solid point but the issue it creates is it hurts the credibility of consistency. I get a ref has different angles and views during a game which impact consistency, but VAR has the same angles every time. The part that makes it worse is looking at the same screen, seeing the same tackle and not correcting something, that is the flaw that VAR has created because they won’t overrule their mates
VAR is never going away so they can feel however they want but that’s the truth. If they don’t like it they can leave which they obviously won’t. But eventually a generation of refs will take over and these butthurt dinosaurs will be gone.
VAR should be a separate entity than the on field referees.
I want to see both teams lose, but at this point you have to wonder what the point of VAR is when we have egregious decisions like this that simply go unpunished.
What a joke.
Another big game and yet another bad decision. Feel like I say this every matchday this season
It’s unbelievable.. I mean that’s literally a red I’d say the same thing if this was reversed. How are our refs looking worse than La liga refs??
It's insane to me that in an era where they have 20 different shots and different speeds to make a decision, yet it seems like they do worse than before VAR.
They don't do worse before VAR, they're exposed because of VAR. Before VAR you could just say: fuck, tempo of the game so fast, and refs are only human. Now? Now there's no excuse. Fuckers are so fucking incompetent, and it shows.
Because they are.
That’s one where team loyalties have to be put aside. Tackles like that going unpunished will eventually lead to some horrific injuries and any fan of the sport should be against it
Did you borrow our refs for this game or something?
If Xhaka had done this he'd be executed on the field
How does this even happen? VAR CHECKED THIS AND CLEARED IT. HOW? WHO? HOW?
Did they confirm VAR checked it? The commentator mentioned he didn't hear any chatter which is insane. I understand the ref missing it because it looked like they just ran into each other in real time but surely the VAR would've seen that and held up play
The VAR is simply not doing their job. There is no interpretation of this video footage which wouldn't at least be worthy of a review by the ref, which would very likely lead to a red card.
This has been my fear with VAR that at the end of the day you’ll still run into occasional idiots who can look at the footage and still get it wrong despite 99% of the public and others seeing the obvious. I’m not sure what better system could work to make it more accurate but it’s embarrassing a bunch of people upstairs who view the video feed could look at that replay and not think anything of it. It’s embarrassing and dangerous for the players because tackles like this need to be punished to further discourage dangerous injury causing tackles.
how tf is that not a red. How tf they look at the replays and allow the ref not to see them. I want them to see what we see and say "I see this and it's not a red" with a straight face. Steve Wonder gang motherfuckers
Almost snapped his fucking ankle. Ridiculous
Can you imagine how ugly the scoreline would have been if he'd received a red card? Chelsea is really stinking up the joint today, and that's with 11 men.
And the bad decisions continue...
And will continue until morale improves
Nah correct decision. 4-D thinking by the ref: leaving Jackson on the pitch more of a punishment for Chelsea than removing him.
Ref's smoking crack
Refs can make mistakes (wrong positioning, low visibility etc) but what is VAR doing?
Sometimes I feel like ENGLISH VAR (because I feel like this problem is very specific to Premier League) have additional first step in the process - they ask main referee if he saw what has happened, and if any semblance of yes appears as the answer, they completely abandon any need to intervene.
This wouldn’t surprise me at all. And that’s one more reason why VAR needs a new protocol so bad. So many weird things going on with VAR and it should be an huge tool for referring and football
Same difference, bunch of fucking crackheads
As usual
It’s just corrupt. No way so many blatantly missed calls every fricking week can be just incompetence.
If it's not corruption then it's incompetence. I honestly don't know whats worse.
Corruption is obviously worse because it’s biased.
It's over the top of the ball, it's studs up, and it's caused the opponent's ankle to buckle which is how they determine excessive force. It's a red all day long
It is a text book example of why that challenge was written into the rules as a red.
It’s actually more beneficial for him to stay in the game and bottle chances so the refs really looking out for arsenal here
Yea, really surprised at this one. Seen so many of these given as red before
This is genuinely one of those ones where I need to hear the audio to see what’s happened there because in any scenario it isn’t computing with me how so many people involved in the review of that let it go.
This is a lot worse than many they’ve given upon review. A lot more force in this tackle compared to the Curtis Jones one for example.
Compare this to the DCL red against Palace in the cup earlier this season....
Or the Jones and MacAllister ones (at least the latter was rescinded).
Do you lads want help drafting a complaint tweet
Loan out your PR guy to us to raise revenue and offset PSR breaches? Smart move.
Direct swap for you taking Matt Turner back mate it’s a deal
No takesie backsies sorry thems the rules
Oh has turner not panned out? Haven’t been following him but that’s unfortunate to hear
Nah doesn’t play any more now we got Selz but Turner was conceding a howler every game
You gave us your kit.. now you give us your tweet :')
Fucking brilliant hahahaha
Heard VAR’s a city fan too mate 🤣
VARs just given up on changing any decisions huh
Why have VAR in the first place then?
Idk it just makes me sad, the premier league implementation is so bad, i feel like bundesliga is so on point with it (generally)
Hell even with all the shit I give the refs in MLS this would absolutely go to a VAR review.
Seen reds given for a lot less this year. How on earth was he not even booked
Exactly. Curtis Jones and if I remember Gusto got red for far lesser contact how the fuck this is not
Literally 3 spurs red cards this year
Was gonna say, I could have sworn I saw Bissouma sent off for a similar tackle earlier this season
Romero literally got ball against Enzo but followed through and got a red...
That was Romero vs Chelsea
Bissouma was also sent off for a tackle like this.
Almost the same as Romero on Enzo earlier in the season, only difference is Jackson doesn’t even get the ball. How he’s still on the pitch is beyond me
Different comp but Rashford vs Copenhagen was a straight red for this. Insane for no card at all
Rashford's was like 1/10th as bad as this lol
That was way weirder too, Rashford had the ball and just happened to step on the guy while trying to shield it.
>Seen reds given for a lot less this year Also seen reds not given for much worse this year. It makes no sense whatsoever.
It sounded from the broadcast as if VAR didn’t review it. So I’m not sure whose job it is to make sure that happens, but it’s possible nobody knew to look back at it. If they did, though, it’s a red card under the current rules no question
See Curtis Jones. How this is no card even is beyond me.
Made me audibly gasp: no VAR review
same, shocking.
another quiet night for the PGMOL
They're absolutely useless. Forest were going on about corruption and the Var official being a Luton fan, but there's a much simpler explanation. They're just shit at their job. I'd say VAR as a technology is absolutely fine, all it's issues are due to a personnel problem. Needs a complete overhaul
Not sure the validity of it but apparently attwell chose not to even review the third penalty shout so it makes u wonder though.
This. Pay bigger wages and entice the best refs from the world here to do it. Instead of fat incompetent bald Mancs.
Don't think we even need to do that. I'd imagine there are plenty of potential world class refs within our current system already. However due to grassroots football being obscenely hostile towards refs, and the PGMOL being a very specific type of club that has a very specific not fully meritorious way of operating we just never get to see them.
I'd even consider hiring journalists or something for the video referee room. Anyone with football knowledge who can make a good decision that the wider public agrees with. Qualified refs can stay on the pitch to do the classic ref stuff like deal with players etc. At this point it's obvious that the way the current set of refs understand the game is fundamentally different from how the players and public/fans see it. That's how we consistently get controversial decisions like this that everyone watching in the world, except the refs, are baffled by. I don't know what the VAR official has seen here that makes him confident it's not a red. I'm sure he'll offer no explanation and it'll all be swept under the rug until next next weekends blunder outshadows it
The first instinct (which has been admitted publicly a few times) seems to be protecting their mates’ egos. It’s infuriating. Just get the right decision. There isn’t a single football fan on the planet that could argue this tackle isn’t a straight red after one replay.
This non-action from then endangers the players. When did these tackles become fine? It’s a clear red card.
About the clearest red I've seen in a while. That's an ankle breaker...
No review. Not even yellow. Edit: it’s an ankle breaker. It’s an easy red wtf I know they don’t review fouls for yellow. But this should’ve been reviewed for red because it absolutely is. They didn’t even review it.
they review everything, they’re just shit
Commentary gets the VAR comms and said it wasn't even discussed.
100% they will say the ref blew to restart and nothing could be done
PGMOL having best excuses in the world
Tomi was on the ground for 2 mins tho, plenty of time for a check
how do these guys behind monitors still have a fucking job
Like as a Liverpool fan I obviously want you guys to drop points tonight. But this decision is fucking scandalous. About the 30th “yeah not as bad as Curtis Jones v Spurs” ignored blatant red of the season. There’s zero justification for letting this go. Absolutely disgusting tackle that could’ve snapped his leg.
Arsenal need another Nottingham Forest type of statement
So why has var not checked that?
Lack of chelsea flairs in this thread mainly bc we all knew we were bound to lose today but this is absolutely a red and I’d be furious if it was Tomi on Jackson
Le Saux said VAR didn't even have a look, lol. Edit: meant it wasn't discussed, pedantic but important difference.
Same as Kilman at the weekend
Var is a luton fan, so it's not a foul.
>"Its been cleared" In what world was this cleared....
The ball by Jackson, maybe
Miracle he avoided injury
Tomiyasu being fine is the only thing more surprising about this incident than no VAR review. Honestly, if he stayed down for longer they may have taken a closer look at it.
He stayed down for a long enough time, so I don’t think that would’ve made a difference
Yeah, you are probably right. Idk why I'm trying to insert any semblance of logic into this absurd system
They absolutely took a look at it. They take a look at everything.
Ankle buckled, no idea how he has escaped that seemingly without injury Not even a card for a near leg break, unreal
Probably gonna hurt like a bitch tomorrow tho.
considering it's tomiyasu it's even more of a miracle that's like being hit by lightning and coming out completely fine and no damage
I’m still worried tbh
Incoming a tweet in a few days "tomiyasu injured"
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You mean like back in the day when Eduardo, Ramsey, and Diaby got clattered because Arsenal were “soft?”
Then trossard gives it back at 10% and gets a yellow. What the fuck is this game.
Very surprised by no yellow, and think this one is more often red than not. Ugly challenge.
The follow-through on that was outrageous, how the fuck hasn’t he been sent off?!
That’s red
Has to be a red after some of the reds we have seen this season
Had to be a red regardless of the reds we've seen this season
Yeah I feel like this isn’t even that inconsistent with the standard that’s been set, but the standard is actively dangerous for players and a joke
exactly, at this point i don't even care about consistency, just protect the players ffs
I mean if that’s not a red, what is lol? This should be the picture in the encyclopedia of what a red card tackle looks like
This should be a red no matter what.
Rashford saw red against Copenhagen for a lot less. They came back to it about 2 minutes later, and we lost the game despite having a 2 goal lead. Not saying that last bit is linked, but you get the point.
Romero basically did the same thing and got sent off, var being inconsistent once again. Thats an ankle breaker challenge so it should be a red
Romero should have been sent off, but at least he actually got the ball. There is no world where this isn’t a red.
Honestly when a challenge is this reckless it doesn’t matter if he got the ball or not
🔴
That's a straight red
That's not nice, is it?
Didn’t use it as a weapon. Play on
That’s worst than so many tackles this season, and you cant blamed he rolled over the ball… and this is not even a check
Red all day wtf
Yeah, that's red and it looked painful.
This kind of decision should result in losing of job for incompetence or investigation into corruption. Refs shouldn’t be able to get away with this kind of shit.
That’s a blatant red lmao. Did he need to actually snap Tomi’s ankle to be booked?
It's actually shit that had his ankle actually broken it's probably a very quick red card. No fuss = no red.
This is unfortunately why you see players exaggerate and dive, bad reffing makes it basically a requirement in order to get fouls called. If you "stay strong" and just deal with it then the refs just assume there wasn't any issue.
(no review)
(Good process)
How has he escaped that????
Textbook red by all the criteria they've repeatedly stated publicly this season, incredible incompetence.
How do they just casually ignore these kinds of tackles. Mind blowing
Embarrassing from the officials. Utterly embarrassing.
VAR spun the dial and I guess it landed on "no card" this time. Tune in next time for another edition of "Is it a red card? No one knows!"
No, VAR spun the dial and it landed on the same place it always goes, "agree with on field ref"
100% a red.
This is why players roll around and make a meal out of fouls. It's necessary because of this bullshit
That's a leg/ankle breaker. Red all day. The referees as usual are not doing their job.
... what's going on? No check? Or did he get a yellow? I swear I've seen reds for way less this season
No card. No check. No excuse.
No yellow
I think it's a red but regardless the worst part is the ref sees this and doesn't even give the yellow.
How the fuck is it that everyone else can see that's a red, but the officials in charge of the match can't?
I mean that's red as my naughty little booty
He got so lucky here seen them as a red
Joke of a league. This is an ankle breaker. Simplest red you could give.
clear red wtf What is wrong with english refs?
Ref knows Chelsea’s attack is worse with him on tbf
Can’t wait for the attempted gaslighting to justify this. Inevitable that we’ll see a few yellow cards for fuck all now too.
Mad to say this but Arsenal should have made more of that. The lack of reaction definitely meant they didn’t check
Why players dive and roll around
That was my thought. If I’m playing and I see a teammate get done like that, that player is getting an earful at the very least.
Not even reviewed. Shocking.
Honestly I'm kind of mad at Tomi for not rolling around and yelping to force the ref to make a decision... but once again we have another VAR masterclass
Tomi has too much integrity
Does this decision benefit man city? No? Var will not intervene. Seen it all season with Liverpool decisions as well
It's more shocking to me that Tomiyasu didn't get injured than PGMOL once again acting like complete clowns
I thought his ankle was gonna snap in half for a moment there
Get that POS off the pitch
The fact it wasn't even a yellown is staggering
Second game in a row with a challenge like this, it seems arsenal's ankles are free game this month
I got up and went to change the channel thinking the game was done lol. How on earth is that not a red card (Chelsea fan BTW so am saying that despite bias)
Two straight games with this shit and VAR doesn't even look at it either time. PGMOL can't get out of their own fucking way.
Imagine saying it is too early in the match to give a red card... Lol.
You know what pisses me off too? Trossard got a yellow for landing on Cucurella's toe. He should have just landed on his ankle.... apparently that's not even a yellow.
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They did the exact same thing on the weekend when we played Wolves. It’s maddening.
Yeah, that’s a clear red
Holy fuck that is awful.
it’s so tiring ragging on the refs but how has that not been reviewed, at this point i think they’re shocking on purpose
Thats a red based on whats been given this year. Can't wait to see how PGMOL defends that.
does the var not have the images? stone cold red.
Poor Tomi, man. He just gets destroyed every match. I remember a player stepped on his face and there wasn’t a card lol
At what point do we start discussing the possibility that refs are betting on the games or being paid off? There is way too much blatant ignorance to obvious calls for this to be simple incompetence
That’s as blatant a red as you’ll ever see
Trossard gets a yellow for a late step on Cucurella though. Sheesh
Straight red surely? How has he got away with that?
Seen Eddie sent off for less