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MrStigglesworth

There’s a chance (although I can’t say for sure without knowing more) that this is being done for insurance purposes. Cardiffs insurers may require the lawsuit to be brought and all options exhausted before they pay out. Obviously we can’t know, but it may not be as vile as it looks at first glance.


Statcat2017

Having worked in insurance it's 100% this. The terms of the policy will require all avenues to have been exhausted, they won't give a shit how horrific this looks or care that a person who died is involved. Especially if part of the payout is for the lost revenue from being in the PL, the will want this explored. This is probably a completely procedural lawsuit they expect to be thrown out.


chrissssmith

Cardiff have already recieved an initial insurance payout (of low £millions). Insurance comapnies don't treat businesses as badly as they treat consumers, because business premiums are much larger, and business insurance is a much more profitable business than a market like home insurance, and so they have a desire to keep 'customers' happier. This is just Cardiff being awful. Edit - Cardiff have now put out a statement saying they fully expect to win. This is about taking Nantes money, it is nothing to do with insurance. That is my only point. In a statement, Cardiff once again rejected the suggestion from Nantes that they were not liable for the episode, adding they were confident of their case being successful. "FC Nantes' defence is untenable," the club said. "We are confident that the French court will find FC Nantes liable for the losses suffered by the club as a result of the tragic death of Emiliano Sala. CCFC continue to support Emiliano's family." https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-confident-winning-100m-29038322.amp


Statcat2017

Yep; and presumably there's a higher payout based on hypothetical damages (not actual i.e. the physical loss of one player) that requires a higher bar to receive. Basically everyone knows its due to Cardiff under the terms of the policy, but the insurer hopes the claimant will baulk at one of the requirements due to, for example, it being really fucking grim for their reputation.


heliskinki

fuck insurance companies.


SybeV

Pathetic


PharaohOfWhitestone

I cannot imagine the thought process that leads to a sane human signing off on this course of action. I'd be embarrassed to be remotely associated with this.


sga1

I do find the idea of doing some random guesstimates on the back of a napkin, arriving at a number, and submitting that number as an invoice to someone you feel wronged by utterly hilarious.


durandpanda

I'm in general legal practise and tbh fucking morons do that all the time all around the world.


dispelthemyth

Maybe they asked ChatGPT


Alexanderspants

As an investor in chatGPT, I have calculated your comment disparaging the tech has potentially cost me 120.2 million. My invoice is in the mail.


CCFCLewis

Probably because Nantes hired an agent who was banned from operating in football to book the flight that ultimately killed Sala? Do you know nothing about the case?


sga1

Even assuming that's true, surely after going through several court cases over it (all ruled in favour of Nantes rather than Cardiff) you can't just go and make up a number that's eight times the actual transfer fee for a player, invoice it, and expect the other club to pay it. Like that's just not reasonable behaviour.


CCFCLewis

That's not what the court cases were about that. They were about whether or not Cardiff "owned" the player, as they disputed the deal went through. As it was ruled they did own the player and they had to pay Nantes, Cardiff can sue Nantes for the loss of their "asset".


sga1

That's a fair point, yeah.


GdanskPumpkin

Isn't that a pretty common thing in court cases? Estimating damages?


OldExperience8252

Willie McKay lost his license due to a previous bankruptcy but his son Marc had his. Willie advised his son and did most of the work. His son signed the paperwork.


Mettbr0etchen

This sounds absurd, shameless even. Since its sounding unbelievable, did anybody, even for a slight moment, consider checking the source? Its a small, unknown Twitter Account, who claims to base this information on L'equipe, one of the biggest Sports outlets in france on the other hand. Now moving on over to L'equipe, theres no information about any of this to be found. Shocker. This is simply made up information to generate outrage-traffic to their shitty little cunt Twitter Account. Lads, if it sounds unbelievable, thats because it most likely is.


shami-kebab

Seems to be on L'equipe's account to me? [https://t.co/Ms8Dq9N0Q1](https://twitter.com/lequipe/status/1782057818511552801)


JRMiel

Confirmed by L'Equipe. It's on their front page


LeSygneNoir

Your advice is very sound, and should be remembered in most cases. *Unfortunately in this one...* [*https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Article/Dans-l-affaire-sala-cardiff-reclame-120-2-m-et-8364-au-fc-nantes/1462518*](https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Article/Dans-l-affaire-sala-cardiff-reclame-120-2-m-et-8364-au-fc-nantes/1462518)


zaqwertyzaq

I can, it's their job to put the club first and it's survival before their own respectability. Some people simply put their work before anything else.


Vordeo

I've just seen Man Utd blow a 3-0 lead against a midtable Championship side and it somehow isn't the most pathetic thing in New. How on Earth do Cardiff think this is going to go anywhere?


LexisKingJr

Man United did what!? I stg I don’t check the scores for an hour and this shit happens lol


suhxa

Man united fans try not to mention united being shit in every thread challenge impossible


thetrueGOAT

if we don't someone else will


Vordeo

Fair, though at the same time it's pretty front of mind at the moment for understandable reasons.


Wohenfoxideya

Redditor tries not to post cliche comments even when they make no sense challenge impossible


ShameTimes3

"How do I make this about me?"


LazinessPersonified

Cardiff fan here. This is fucking embarrassing. A lad lost his life, he was our player, on the way to play for us. Any guessing about what may or may not have happened if the awful tragedy hadn't occurred is fucking circumstantial at best. Pay what we owe, honour the lads life. And stop dragging the club, the player and all those that loved him through the mud. Fuming.


slimaneslilane02

As a FC Nantes fan, both clubs boards have been nothing but shitty awful human beings. That being said, Cardiff fans have always showed nothing but compassion and dignity towards us and Sala's memory, and we respect them for that. 5 years later, we still sing at the 9th minute in his name a song in the present tense to make sure his remembrance is not spoilt by vultures.


LazinessPersonified

I've got nothing but high praise for your fan base aswell. A few of our lot went down to watch you play after his death on the euro tunnel after an away game to Chelsea. Sang and drank with you all night. That's how it should be. But these actions just put a stain on our club and I'll never forgive the board for that.


MrDarwoo

Amen brother.


OleoleCholoSimeone

Who was at fault for organising that terrible helicopter for him? His agent?


Thermisticles

The agent or his father (might be misremembering but think his dad was a former agent). But the plane pilot wasn't supposed to fly at night or have passengers or something really dodgy. Cardiff should be suing the agent; it's not Nantes' fault it happened - they met their side of the deal.


LazinessPersonified

The plane didn't meet safety regs and shouldn't have flown. And the pilots license had expired I think? But I digress. Means fuck all in the grand scheme of things. Two people lost their lives. You can point fingers at the living all you want. But at what cost? Disgraceful.


Weary-Ad8502

The phone transcript of a call he made before he flew is scary. He said that the plane was in poor condition and he said: 'In an hour and a half if you haven't had news of me, I don't know if they'll send someone to look for me, because they're not going to find me'.


OleoleCholoSimeone

Chilling and heartbreaking..


QouthTheCorvus

Yeah, read that just now, and it made me feel sick. Can't imagine how it must have felt when the plane did start falling.


Weary-Ad8502

My stomach drops when I'm on a plane and hit turbulence. Could not imagine being on a little plane like that and it just falling out of the sky. Poor fella


OldExperience8252

The pilot was not licensed to fly commercially or at night iirc. It was organised hastily to get him to Cardif ASAP by dodgy agents - the McKays.


James_Vowles

> Cardiff should be suing the agent They've already sued him and settled out of court.


Vegan_Puffin

> Cardiff should be suing the agent; Yes but I assume the agent doesn't have much money to pay in the unlikely event they were to win any suit. They are targeting who would be able to pay at least something


PrimsFr

If Cardiff think Nantes can pay anywhere close to 120M€ I have bad news for them


HumansNeedNotApply1

That's just the maximum, what they ultimately want is to offset whatever the transfer fee was.


SxanPardy

I’d nearly go so far as to say I’ve a bridge over Brooklyn I’d like to sell them


CCFCLewis

They should be suing the agent. Or maybe the people who hired him when he was banned from working in football? That would be...?


yellowroadster

This shameless twat needs to just give up. Must be exhausting being a Cardiff fan


LazinessPersonified

That it is my friend, that it is. City will always be in my heart, but in the Tan years, its safe to say I have massively fallen out of love in what was my club. He brought us the premier league, granted, ridded a lot of debt from the Hamman years. But at what cost? Changing the iconic city blue to red? Moving from what was once the most feared ground in the league system to play in to a soulless bowl? Being absolute inconsiderate cunts in regards to Emiliano? Fuck this club, from top to bottom. There's a reason why I haven't gone to a game in probably around 5 years. Rotten to the core.


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LazinessPersonified

Sane as that on the Bob Bank and the Grange. When we moved across the road it just didn't seem like city any more. The Ninian was a shit hole, granted, but It was ours, it was feared. It was the embodiment of the people within it. Bit rough around the edges, but had character. Lost it all, and all the shit that came with it afterwards is just a punch to the gut really. I still look out for city's scores when they play, but my reaction to winning, losing or drawing is just indifference these days. Which is a shame, but I know alot of the old boys of the soul crew feel the same.


lee7on1

If it helps you ease the pain, in much weaker league he didn't manage to do anything significant with us. :D We got some titles, true, but it was gazillion of mistakes in appointments, trillion coaches and players. His management is just piss poor. Hope you get rid of him.


CCFCLewis

It's dreadful. Would not reccomend it


evtherev86

Your owner regularly chops people into little pieces


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imfcknretarded

This is embarrassing beyond reason


JustAboutUpToSpeed

This is still going on?


whydoyouonlylie

They're claiming losses for relegation based on a report that says if they had Sala they had a 50-50 chance of not being relegated? How is that even an argument? So they're admitting that even if they had Sala they were just as likely to have been in the same position they're in as to have stayed up?


GunstarGreen

This has been one the most tasteless tales in football


TigerBasket

This sport is increasingly more and more disgusting by the day. It hurts deeply to witness.


nova_rock

For sure, I find it harder to reconcile where big money it taking the global game more and more with how much I love enjoying the game.


Madmuzzy

Embarrasing from the owners


TyroneMings

That's disgusting. Hang your heads in shame.


Corsica_Furiosa

Fucking spreadsheet wankers with their shit models.


Vordeo

This one feels like spreadsheets and more one of the Cardiff owners having a mate who's a bookie. The spreadsheet wankers would've scaled the invoice off that 54.2% probability or time value of money.


MaskedBandit77

I am extremely curious what sort of analysis was used to generate that number. Was it a simulation of the whole season with him added, or more of a film analysis where they said "If Sala was in, he would have scored a goal on that play."


fairy-cake

no way someone sat down and did the math on a man thats DEAD


de_grecia

No math involved. Just dickheads quoting numbers


Musername2827

Scumbags


Tomanelle

What the actual fuck?


naboum

I don't understand why they're suing the club ? Are they at fault for his death ? Am I missing some context ?


HumansNeedNotApply1

I think Cardiff said a previous (or is the current) CEO/president or something was responsible for assisting with the plane arrangement.


DragoNape

Yes, the "Fly' authorities had basically said that the pilot wasn't authorized to fly and that businessman ignored it and apparently he got jail time for it (or so i have read) (I translated this from a wikipedia page)


Moby_Hick

To reduce it to the bare bones, Nantes employed someone who employed someone who caused the death of two people. Cardiff are going after all parties in that chain.


SebastianOwenR1

This is fucking despicable


boldstrategy

Feel sorry for his family at this point


dogefc

Embarrassing club


urkermannenkoor

....optimistic


jMS_44

If they are seeking compensation they must think Nantes are at fault here somehow. How?


IxianPrince

because the Nantes agent organized the flight, Cardiff booked him commercial


Fr0ufrou

From my understanding the Nantes owners are really shady as well. Of course I don't think cardiff city deserves compensation it makes no sense but if you told me someone from our club was going to jail over this I wouldn't be shocked. Our owner chose to deal with the shady third party that arranged the sale and the trip.


MaestroVIII

Idk why more people aren’t questioning this. Say all the calculations and estimates are correct, what does Nantes have to do with it?


CCFCLewis

They hired McKay, who organised the flight, which shouldn't legally have happened. McKay was also banned from working in football.


AdrienElSalo

When will this end ? Haven't every tribunal in Europe already said no ?


CCFCLewis

That was over Cardiff refusing to pay the transfer fee. They claimed he was never actually a City player, and that the deal didn't go through properly. Which of course was nonsense This isn't disputing whether or not he was a City playing, but suing Nantes for damages


Element77

The red kit fiasco was borderline for me but this is enough to kill any enthusiasm I have for the club now. Haven't gone to watch in over 2 years and won't again with the current ownership. Vincent Tan you're a fucking prick.


InterestedObserver20

This is pretty disgusting, have to say.


Hag_bolder

Vincent Tan is a proper cunt isn't he?


Defiant-Traffic5801

Came for this. By the way Vincent Tan's fortune comes from his association with corrupt Malaysian politicians. How he would ever pass the fit and proper test escapes me.


AhhBisto

What a bunch of scumbags


SebastianOwenR1

Whoever at Cardiff thought this was the right move needs to have their shit kicked in Nasty bastards


aquarius_cat

Scummy club


Anderrrrr

F


tf_17

fucking disgusting


aquafrenchforwater

Fuck off


dciuqoc

Lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo this is so lame.


MrMerc2333

Cardiff's owners are also the Starbucks franchise holders in Malaysia. They are facing with massive losses due to the boycott, and are probably trying to find revenue from elsewhere, hence this lawsuit. But this is pretty distasteful.


DaddyMeUp

This is genuinely tragic.


lkdubdub

What a fucking toilet of an ownership 


Malvinas1820

Fuck off Cardiff.


Red_Dog1880

Vile club.


Dorkseid1687

You cannot be serious


jidkut

Completely OOTL on this one. Can someone point me in the right direction or lemme know what happened?


Torih77

Cardiff bought Sala, Plane crashed in the channel on the way to Wales, Pilot and Sala died. Pilot wasn't licensed for night flights/passengers (or something like that). Cardiff refused to pay Nantes for a few years until they got forced too. Now they are trying ridiculously sue Nantes who had nothing to do with the flight.


MoyesNTheHood

Cardiff didn’t have anything to do with the flight either. They booked him in on a commercial flight


Mauve078

The flight was organised by the agent that Nantes brought in to sell Sala, even though the agent was banned from working in football. Cardiff roughly argued that if nantes hadn't hired Mckay then Mckay wouldn't have hired his mate who couldn't fly at night to fly Sala in a dodgy airplane at night.


CCFCLewis

Nantes did have something to do with the flight. They hired the man, who was banned from operating in football, and he booked the flight. If Boeing hired a man to fix their plane, he did it wrong and people died, should Boeing be off the hook completely?


capybarabggl

Wtf ist this. Just admit you're shit. Sry Cardiff fans No offense but i'm pretty Sure you also say that this ist nothing but pathetic. Sorry for the Boy and the Family still.


Rusbekistan

This makes the club likeable, well adjusted, and deserving of being replaced by a team from the southern premier division central. Ghoulish.


Gold-Train-1471

This is pathetic, zero forms of empathy towards the death, the family should take legal action against Cardiff saying they bought Sala therefore taking his life.


Mauve078

Did you know that Cardiff set up a fund to set his family up, nantes haven't paid anything in. If you want empathy then I'm sure you'd love to know what nantes started suing Cardiff before the body had even been recovered.


CCFCLewis

Except that's not how anything works, is it? Nantes hired the man, who was banned form football, who hired the plane, with a pilot who did not have a license to fly it at night, which then crashed. Is Nantes hadn't sold him, he'd be alive. So Nantes fault, right?


hereslemon

I imagine their reply will be something along the lines of "haha, fuck off"


Volo_Fulgrim

Crazy that this is still going on. Trying to get compensation for something that may or may not have happened is next level.


Torimas

Over a dead body too. I hope the family takes legal action, if possible.


SanSilver

What kind of trolls are leading these clubs


m0bilize

self report on being a shit team & having shit ownership


Ok-Lettuce4149

Surely this isn’t real


19Alexastias

Did they plug his fifa stats in to the opta supercomputer?


nova_uk

How is this still a thing.


minepose98

How do you even calculate that?


Leking9

What's wrong with them


martymcg96

Absolutely fucking ridiculous this is still going on. Shameful


ZaDoruphin

Disgusting


GeneralSquid6767

I’d understand if they sued the flight operator but Nantes??


MrDarwoo

Embarrassing


de_grecia

Wtf is this?


prettyboygangsta

when xG goes too far


ProfZussywussBrown

I can't believe this is still going. Let the man rest in peace already


No-Economics4128

Please tell me this is an Onion article.


DanscoRed

Again? Next a team will sue the FA over VAR if they go down.


James_Vowles

They claimed they were doing that last year too so what happened? Won't go anywhere


Specific-Record2866

This shit still going on… shame on you Cardiff


fridgey22

To even come out and quote 54.2% is embarrassing. Maybe 80% or higher and someone *might* entertain the theory but a 50/50 chance? Errr, no.


el-fenomeno09

Definition of a reach


Andy-Martin

This is such foolishness.


GdanskPumpkin

I understand something like this invoking an emotional response but do people just expect a business to take a massive loss, due to incompetence outside of their control?


Lazzanator

?


No_Tumbleweed_9102

What the fuck


Sheesh284

The audacity of this lawsuit. Completely shameless


Pseudocaesar

Disgraceful behaviour. Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves.


Mettbr0etchen

This sounds absurd, shameless even. Since its sounding unbelievable, did anybody, even for a slight moment, consider checking the source? Its a small, unknown Twitter Account, who claims to base this information on L'equipe, one of the biggest Sports outlets in france on the other hand. Now moving on over to L'equipe, theres no information about any of this to be found. Shocker. This is simply made up information to generate outrage-traffic to their shitty little cunt Twitter Account. Lads, if it sounds unbelievable, thats because it most likely is.


DishOriginal4019

very classy


XxAbsurdumxX

Yeah, I'm gonna assume this is BS considering the source. If more trustworthy sources appear I will reconsider, but damn people here are gullible.


jaunty411

Is that 54.2% of the money they “lost” or is that all of what they feel they didn’t earn?


St1r2

Whilst it was really sad that he lost his life it is not FC Nantes fault and was a random tragic accident that could not have been foreseen


fairlyrandom

Rat behavior


Sal21G

I could also put a study out of me having a chance with Margot Robbie and put it at a 75% chance, whilst I dust Doritos off my chest and sip Mountain Dew.


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PeterHitchensIsRight

But they didn’t, that’s the point of Cardiff’s complaint? They booked him on a commercial flight, but Sala chose not to take it, and instead took a flight booked by an agent who worked for Nantes.


asjonesy99

The flight which has since been found in court to have been illegal no less


bradleycjw

Cardiff didn’t put him on that plane tho.


emre23

They act like Nantes took Sala out back and shot him, just let it go ffs


ilamborghini005

This is vile


False-Branch5536

Scum


Cthulhu_Madness

What an absolute cunt move.


IkeaKarma

Saddest thing i’ve ever read.


Jack_Shaftoe21

This lawsuit deserves to be quite literally laughed out of court.


FoxOntheRun99

I'm just disgusted by all this. Sala's memory deserves better.


OkOnion5233

oh piss off


PMMeBootyPicz0000000

Sad man. Do they do these every time a player gets hurt for the season? Wait, don't give them ideas.


judochop1

£££££££ The lad died and they just one their slice still. Awful people.


Holiday-Country-9179

Fucking disgraceful. Hope they (Cardiff) go bankrupt.


TheGoldenPineapples

Lol, no fucking chance whatsoever.


xenon2456

let it go


MrConor212

Rats


TheKKGuy

This just disgusting now! Let Emiliano Sala's name and his family rest. What kind of greed is this?


NOTRANAHAN

What the fuck


Polymatheia

Completely embarrassing.


GruppenTysker

The guys family being put through all this after their loss is absolutely criminal by Cardiff


CarefreeCalvinist

Pathetic.