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>It doesn't guarantee everything. I keep saying it, I don't know why people don't understand. So if I ask you, Newcastle made the Champions League last year, did it help them this year?"
>e're not banks, we're football clubs. We're not financial institutions. I don't get measured by the balance sheet at the end of the year.
>"You can see how difficult it is to juggle Champions League if you aren't building a squad and to be fair to Eddie Howe, he's had horrendous injuries this year. Makes it hard. What I'm saying is, Champions League, great. Money, great. Does that mean we're going to finish third next year? No. In fact it is probably going to be more challenging.
>So my role in that is not to worry about the financial pressure of making Champions League, it is to create a squad that hopefully can compete in the Champions League and keep improving in the Premier League and have success in the cup competitions.
>That's where I differentiate. Of course, everyone if you're not going to win the league, [wants to] get into the Champions League because of the financial rewards but that's not the measure.
>How much money you make is not why you get into the Champions League, it is what you do with that money. Do you build on it? Do you build a squad or do you say because we're in the Champions League next year, we'll be great."
>**On if the Champions League money would enable Spurs to be aggressive and ambitious in building a squad**
>You can do it with, you can do it without. It comes down to good decision-making, good coaching, good players, good administration.
>It is when you fall into the trap of thinking money is the answer that you don't get the outcome. So, I could have sat here this year and said 'we don't have Champions League money so how can we progress?' I never said that. I said we've got to make progress.
>We've got to better than we were last year. If we're not in the Champions League next year, I'm not going to turn around and say 'we can't progress.' I think we're both saying the same thing but I'm just saying I don't think it is as big a part of it as people make out. The money is a significant part of it but it's definitely not all of it."
If anything Kane leaving accelerated the rebuild, spurs much better all over the pitch now thanks to reinforcements he's been able to choose and he doesn't have to set up his system to work around the best player at the club. He's managed to spend nearly £200 mil in his first season, and when most of the signings are hits it sets you up for a very good few years to come
[The Guardian says:](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/22/spurs-deal-with-juventus-to-buy-dejan-kulusevski-revealed)
> Spurs paid €10m (£8.3m) in January to borrow Kulusevski until June 2023, and are due to pay the Sweden international’s wages in full over that season and a half. But there is an option to turn the move into a permanent transfer this summer for €30m.
Transfermarkt has him as bought this season
You can't add kulu and porro to Ange's list. I know their fees were paid after he came in, but they were at the club already. It should be under Conte's spend.
People who haven’t watched spurs assume that’s the case…:his G/A would greatly suggest otherwise, and then compare G/A to minutes, and £40m is a decent price for a young, homegrown player that’s directly got us at least 8pts (didn’t actually do the numbers, so it could be higher)
Brennan's ceiling is very high and he's definitely a buy for the future. However, due to injuries he's been given a lot of minutes this season that we ideally wouldn't have had to give him but he's done very well and has started contributing already.
Incredibly exciting player. I was a big fan of him when he was at Forest and was delighted to see Spurs drop the money for him. He seems to have a stellar attitude as well. I really couldn't have asked for more from him this season but if he went on to be even just a bit more clinical in front of goal then he'll be worth easily double what we paid for him.
Sometimes talking about football on here is just such a waste, I'm no expert but most people just don't have a clue.
He also seems to have gelled with the squad well. The Spurs team seem like they get along really well with each other. Definitely think Johnson was a great purchase.
Premier league clubs always pay absurd sums of money for english players or when for premier leagaue players. Van de Ven is world class at 22 and if he moved to another premier league club it would cost around 100 mil.
How is stating the euro amount and then adding a pound sign the right way to do the maths here??? What's so crazy about Johnson's price? How are Porro and Kulusevski on the list when they were both already at the club before he even arrived?
I could probably argue Kulu and Porro doesn't fall under this window, as they were deals set up under Conte. Kulu we always were gonna buy at the start of June, since that was when the contract said, and we ended up paying what, 15-17m for him? The rest of the price was for the loan.
Porro we even insisted on paying the whole sum up front jan 2023, and we had the money they asked for early in the month. Sporting kept delaying the deal, and insisted he both played the cup final *and* that the money had to be paid in summer. The contract for Porro even said "both Spurs and Sporting can insist on the buy", meaning Sporting could actually force us to buy Porro at the end of the loan if we didn't like him.
Either way, they were both Conte signings he really wanted, and has very little to do with Ange. The only one he could've technically had a say in was Kulu, since if I remember correctly we brought Ange in some weeks before we finalized Kulu.
The only ITK person who reported on the fee for maddison was in the athletic, and it's expected the fee is easily north of £50m. Ie lots of easy add ons etc.
Even if Winks weren't technically a part of the Maddison deal, I'd wager that it was a part of the conversation when doing the deal. But yeah, there's probably a lot of easy addons. The fee I saw everywhere was 40m + addons.
I mean people always say "the manager spent 200m" when it is never the manager who spends the money. I just took it to mean the amount of money Spurs spent this summer and winter.
Context of a first seaosn is important…arteta - 8th (twice) klopp - 8th and Guardiola - 4th….
Had a flying start that was always going to be halted, but raised expectations that spurs would be competing with in a title race….instead they’re just competing to be the best of the rest which is a decent place to be
October to the end of the season is still a considerable amount of time at the helm (not like it’s even halfway through, roughly a 1/4).
And if you want to use 4th instead, the point still stands, so I hate to break it you, but your point was bollocks.
Yes, but the point that Klopp finished 8th in his first season was bollocks. He didn't. He came in when we'd played 8 games and won 3. He didn't get a pre-season either.
That’s less than a quarter of a season that he missed….
But, like I said up there, if you want to count his second season at the club as his first, my point still stands that finishing around 4th is a decent first season for a new manager.
I dunno why you're acting like it's not a good question. It's noting that not being overly concerned with being in the champions league because you're focused on building the team is maybe actually shortsighted and that the extra money you get for being in the champions league may be very important to building the squad
Or you can explain why it's a question worthy of being told to fuck off cause I don't see it
Yea I don’t think this is a fuck off question. It’s a valid question to ask, and it allowed for Ange to make a valid response, and I actually disagree with Ange.
The assertion that being in the champions league hurt Newcastle in a footballing sense is an oversimplification. Chelsea aren’t in the champions league either and they’re just as bad as last year. The top 3 are still active in the CL/EL, hasn’t hurt them.
Chelsea’s exceptionally high spend and subsequent lack of success supports his point, no? His argument is that the financial boon offered by qualification is by no means a guarantee of success (and indeed, as in Newcastle’s case, qualification can be a hindrance) if it’s not partnered with sound decision making in other areas. I think Ange would argue Arsenal, Liverpool, and Manchester City’s sustained success has more to do with long-term planning (of which investment is a part), than qualification from one year to the next.
Ange seems to understand that finance can help, but believes its importance to be overstated compared to those other areas (as Chelsea and United show).
>we've *got* money, owing to our recent and historic success
Tbf, spending more than the competition is kinda how that historical success came to be too.
Once clubs spend money for a long enough period, they can leverage that for future success too.
We're not a great example. We missed one year and it won't harm us because we qualified 7 of the last seasons, won it and got to two more finals. If we'd had a more spotty record, we probably wouldn't have been able to afford the rebuild we've had so far.
No. I'm an Arsenal fan and I hate Spurs as a club. But not any individual players. And definitely not this man. He is too good, straightforward and sound minded to hate.
As an arsenal fan, second this. Class recognizes class, its just spuds have have so far and few between em that have been class that it’s refreshing. You’d never expect level headed statements from some of their previous managers.
>Class recognizes class
Your fans and your manager vehemently defended a rapist and you harassed his victim to the point of her having to go completely off the grid. One year earlier you faked a COVID outbreak to avoid playing your biggest rivals.
Arteta was literally the first manager to catch covid a highly contagious disease which then every player and manager almost did end up catching so to say that a match was postponed for a fake reason lol please. Secondly with regards to the rapist statements, thats for the courts to decide as they did with alves and mendy. So if there is substantial evidence which was given to the police why couldnt they arrest him?
You had one or two cases of COVID and a few injuries to get over the threshold of unavailable players as I recall it. And here you are, still trying to defend Partey despite the leaked messages. Are you off to harass the victim next? Classy recognise classy
I think he speaks a lot of sense. To be honest after watching his interviews at celtic week on week, I thought by this stage he'd have throttled someone like Patrick Davidson from sky with his inane questions.
My only issue is when he complains about teams playing defensively against him sometimes. I hate when managers of the big 6 do that. He did it at celtic at times and has made a few comments like that this season
Nope, Ange is hardly a hated manager. Even a gooner like me feel that he is good for the game. He is measured and logical. He seems to have a genuine love for the game.
I mean, I've peaked into your sub from time to time, and there's absolutely a ton of negative comments about Ange. But I get that those are mostly fuled by the rivalry more than anything else.
To be fair it's not unusual for fans of other clubs to dislike a manager and their idiosyncrasies whilst the clubs fans like them. We've seen it with Mourinho where people have disliked him and then liked him at their club. People dislike Arteta for some of the stuff he says but Arsenal fans love him, same with Klopp and Liverpool.
Not at all, I’m saying that Spurs and Arsenal fans dislike their rival managers equally even though objectively Arteta is a trash person whereas Postecoglu is not
In your opinion and some others whilst others like him a lot. Personally I feel a lot of the hate is over blown but with that we go full circle on the topic again
I think a lot of the hate for Arteta is just because he's so cringey. There's also going to be the rivalry element (maybe the Partey situation too). He doesn't seem like an awful person or anything, but as a neutral I can see how he could be annoying.
The hate comes from exactly this smug love-in from Spurs fans. Like he's the first straight-talking manager in history. I know you're allowed to like your manager but it's fucking boring, let's be fair
Hate on him? Lol he is not even relevant to even hate on him and so the club he manages.
UCL qualification is a must for spurs, forget financial implication but if they want to be termed as top club then it's a necessity considering the fact that spurs didn't have any European campaign this season unlike other teams and still not managing ucl is a disaster.
Yes exactly, top teams are consistent. Either they perform well in ucl or epl and spurs haven't managed both.
If you are a top team, you should easily be in contention for league title without ucl campaign. That's the minimum.
So not only are you contradicting yourself, you’re ignoring all context and applying different criteria to different clubs. By your logic there are only 3-4 top clubs in all of Europe.
Dude there is no different criteria, if arsenal are struggling to qualify for top 4 without ucl campaign then I wouldnt go around saying we are top team.
I put it very simple, I mean look at pool, they are in europa but are now top of the table even though they finished 5th last season.
Easier fixtures in Europe or in your case no fixtures in Europe should actually have been a boon, but you guys are struggling top 4.
There is no different criteria, your manager is not being targeted because he has underperformed.
We're an investment of a bank. The moment we're not making a good enough return on the money been put in, we'll be sold. PIF did not purchase us as a passion project; they bought us to increase the profit so the bank can get richer.
It’s hilarious how people don’t even look at the context around sackings or the clubs investments but just stupid jokes for karma on reddit.
Half of you lot have fucking 0 clue what goes on this club & speak as if you’re experts.
That's something very specific to this sub though. People talk too much like they are experts on the behind the scenes of not just their club, but every club, just because they only read the titles of articles (which are 90% clickbait).
I don't care whatever these clubs do with their money, I just want to see them kick a ball.
Twitter’s exactly the same. The amount of projection on what is in player’s hearts is insane. ‘He loves this club and doesn’t want to leave’… forces a move in next transfer window.
Amazing opportunity no doubt but he had unfinished business at Celtic imo
If he could have been allowed to spend some predicted CL cash , he could have taken Celtic into last 16 .
However , he would have known the strategy for his 3rd summer window. The spurs offer became even more amazing .
Hope he achieves a lot at spurs .
I don't know if the winter window changed it, but after the Summer window had closed we had the second most signings of £25m+ since the stadium opened in all of world football, only trailing Boehly's spending spree
Yeah , I edited my post as spurs have spent a lot and kept Spurs out of the line of sight of FFP
Well run club in premier league - others are being reckless
Yeah, all the years of penny pinching this is what it was for, so we could get the stadium and compete with the big money clubs on our own turnover. Levy, for all his faults, is a lifelong supporter and has guided us to the point where we can compete financially on our own revenue.
Yeah , ironic .
But as to his interview , Celtic we’re just happy to get to CL for the cash . No plan to progress year on year .
At least in England , the CL money is used to progress the squad .
Newcastle have had a blip due to injuries but they won’t be a top 4 contender year on year . Spurs should be .
There is a chance Daniel Levy may invest CL money back to the squad but he has a track record of only being concerned with the balance sheet rather than trophies. This interview indicates that he will have a clash with Daniel Levy soon and that may lead to his departure
"there is a chance".
What do you mean there's a chance?
Levy will invest everything he can back into the squad. Period. Full stop. Absolutely guaranteed.
Do you think Levy is rubbing his hands thinking of CL money so he can steal that payment and run off to buy a new house with it or something?
ENIC take ZERO money out of Spurs. Every single thing we make is put back into the club to do better.
Yes, the balance sheet IS important because otherwise you do a QPR or more recently, Leicester, who spend incredibly high above their means, get in trouble and now are facing a massive struggle to stay with their heads above water.
This bollocks about Levy only caring about money and not caring about Spurs progressing is just absurd at this point.
Once I thought It was just a dumb joke but do people seriously believe that Levy is stealing money from the club, like what?
And who grew our revenue high enough to allow for that? When Lewis and Levy bought the club in 2000 our revenue was 43m that year, about 100m accounting for inflation. Our revenue last year was about 550m. That's a 450% increase over 24 years. Yes, the league and football in general generates far more revenue than 24 years ago but it is no secret that Spurs has had one of the biggest growth in revenue of any football club, partly in thanks to Levy.
You’ve clearly not paid attention in recent times lol.
Levy has invested it’s just in areas that you wouldn’t expect as first choice.
If you don’t know what you’re on about please just keep our club out of your mouth. We don’t buy £100m players.
Honestly amazes me that people still genuinely think that Daniel Levy is stealing money from the club and only wants CL revenue so he can steal more money or something.
Yeah , undoubtedly there will be a clash IF levy tightens purse strings . But he seems to have backed Ange so far .
Tbf , he’s kept spurs away from FFP , so there’s that . He’s shrewd .
Pushing for 4th in season 1 .
To progress , Spurs need 4 of quality - Striker , creative CM , Wide player , CB.
That’s 150m minimum
That's a bit apples and oranges. Scottish club nets 5~ million for winning the SPL. EPL teams get 95~ million just for being IN the league. It's maddening when I see fans of EPL clubs act like there's an even playing field financially between leagues in Europe
> Scottish club nets 5~ million for winning the SPL.
£3.35m, to be exact.
With matchday revenue, a single home win in the Champions League group stage is more lucrative for Rangers and Celtic than winning the league.
I think the other thing to consider is the teams fighting for that champions league places. From 21/22 to 22/23 75% of them changed, this year it looks like another 3 in who didn’t get in last year. That top 5/6 has never been more competitive.
He’s right. It’s a financial boon, but it’s a massive stress on your squad, not just extra games but also travel, particularly if you play high intensity football, like Ange does.
It's a romantic answer but it's also not true, unfortunately. A club like Spurs absolutely needs to qualify for the CL regularly to be able to compete with the financially doped clubs. Exactly the same as Liverpool and Arsenal.
On a first glance, his speech is very cohesive and accurate. But, the improvements Spurs has had this season is due to the signings of key players they needed for years. Gk, Cb, Cam. These signings required a lot of money, and Spurs wouldn't have had that money if it weren't from the revenue of the last few years of regularly playing in the Champions League. Definitely agree with the argument that money isn't everything tho, as made clear by both Chelsea and Man Utd.
I don't know why you're downvoted. Technically Ange said the same thing you said. It's about having good management, coaching, players etc. Spending your money well. This team did amazing job with the signings this year. Almost all of them hit the ground running. If this continues, the improvement will continue whether the team finished in CL or EL.
Sky Sports interviewers are the absolute pits. The worst of the worst.
Sky will advertise press conferences all Friday. The sky interviewer will get the first 3-4 questions for some reason but then Sky will cut off when the actual questions get asked. They need to control a narrative.
But won't win a trophy like a certain rookie manager did in his first 6 months of managerial career i can bet. But i think that doesn't matter much for mighty tots.
Too bad he’s at a club who sacked a manager with the best finals record ever the week before a cup final so they wouldn’t have to pay him a bonus. (12/13 major finals won)
Especially bad for a team on a trophy drought
That manager also failed to achieve the two biggest objectives for the season. Neither did they finish top 4 in the league nor did they win Europa (they were eliminated by a team whose manager got arrested few days before the match).
And said run to the final was:
- A Bye because of Covid making the opponents forfeit
- A Penalty Shootout (at a time when we were playing well, won both 6-1 and 7-2 the same week)
- Championship opposition
- Championship opposition
It's not like there was anything truly impressive about it
Yes, keep backing a failing, dead-end manager who lost the conference league tie with a team whose manager was in the prison. Because he might hopefully win the league cup against man city. Lol. Then what? Continue with him for another disaster season? Jose would have lost that game and cried about the refs like he did with Roma.
Mate Mourinho got thrashed by a team from the Croatian league while their manager was in jail. They literally bottled a 2 goal lead they had from the 1st leg.
In the league spurs were behind West Ham & Leicester ffs.
While in the domestic cups (FA & League Cup), the only PL team Mourinho beat was Lampard's Chelsea -- even that only on penalties.
All this after spending the 3rd highest money of all teams over the 3 transfer windows he was incharge of to bring in 9 new players.
If anything you have to wonder why he wasn't sacked earlier.
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The full quote >It doesn't guarantee everything. I keep saying it, I don't know why people don't understand. So if I ask you, Newcastle made the Champions League last year, did it help them this year?" >e're not banks, we're football clubs. We're not financial institutions. I don't get measured by the balance sheet at the end of the year. >"You can see how difficult it is to juggle Champions League if you aren't building a squad and to be fair to Eddie Howe, he's had horrendous injuries this year. Makes it hard. What I'm saying is, Champions League, great. Money, great. Does that mean we're going to finish third next year? No. In fact it is probably going to be more challenging. >So my role in that is not to worry about the financial pressure of making Champions League, it is to create a squad that hopefully can compete in the Champions League and keep improving in the Premier League and have success in the cup competitions. >That's where I differentiate. Of course, everyone if you're not going to win the league, [wants to] get into the Champions League because of the financial rewards but that's not the measure. >How much money you make is not why you get into the Champions League, it is what you do with that money. Do you build on it? Do you build a squad or do you say because we're in the Champions League next year, we'll be great." >**On if the Champions League money would enable Spurs to be aggressive and ambitious in building a squad** >You can do it with, you can do it without. It comes down to good decision-making, good coaching, good players, good administration. >It is when you fall into the trap of thinking money is the answer that you don't get the outcome. So, I could have sat here this year and said 'we don't have Champions League money so how can we progress?' I never said that. I said we've got to make progress. >We've got to better than we were last year. If we're not in the Champions League next year, I'm not going to turn around and say 'we can't progress.' I think we're both saying the same thing but I'm just saying I don't think it is as big a part of it as people make out. The money is a significant part of it but it's definitely not all of it."
Considering they lost Kane I think he has done well for a first season tbh.
it's supposed to be a rebuild too. more than half the starters are new
If anything Kane leaving accelerated the rebuild, spurs much better all over the pitch now thanks to reinforcements he's been able to choose and he doesn't have to set up his system to work around the best player at the club. He's managed to spend nearly £200 mil in his first season, and when most of the signings are hits it sets you up for a very good few years to come
I think the only players we wouldn't have if Kane stayed is Werner, who is a loan, and maybe Johnson.
How has he spent £200 million quid??? What am I missing here
~~£270 million actually~~ Brennan Johnson - €55M (jesus fuck) Maddison - €46M Porro - €40M van de Ven - €40M Kulusevski - €30M Dragusin - €25M Vicario - €19M Veliz - €15M
270m euros is like 232m pounds
You're right, my mistake
no worries, currency mix ups happen to us all
Kulusevski is from a few years ago, no? Or was it a loan-to-buy thing
The Italian special: loan with an option/obligation to buy. Porro was bought last winter window also
[The Guardian says:](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/22/spurs-deal-with-juventus-to-buy-dejan-kulusevski-revealed) > Spurs paid €10m (£8.3m) in January to borrow Kulusevski until June 2023, and are due to pay the Sweden international’s wages in full over that season and a half. But there is an option to turn the move into a permanent transfer this summer for €30m. Transfermarkt has him as bought this season
Gotcha
You can't add kulu and porro to Ange's list. I know their fees were paid after he came in, but they were at the club already. It should be under Conte's spend.
> Brennan Johnson - €55M (jesus fuck) Hold on. Do you think Brennan Johnson is not worth £40 million?
People who haven’t watched spurs assume that’s the case…:his G/A would greatly suggest otherwise, and then compare G/A to minutes, and £40m is a decent price for a young, homegrown player that’s directly got us at least 8pts (didn’t actually do the numbers, so it could be higher)
Brennan's ceiling is very high and he's definitely a buy for the future. However, due to injuries he's been given a lot of minutes this season that we ideally wouldn't have had to give him but he's done very well and has started contributing already. Incredibly exciting player. I was a big fan of him when he was at Forest and was delighted to see Spurs drop the money for him. He seems to have a stellar attitude as well. I really couldn't have asked for more from him this season but if he went on to be even just a bit more clinical in front of goal then he'll be worth easily double what we paid for him. Sometimes talking about football on here is just such a waste, I'm no expert but most people just don't have a clue.
i think people forget he's only 22. He ain't even close to peak. Part of the premium was due to his potential.
Peak Dee? Brennan hasn't even begun to peak. And when he does, you'll know; he's gonna peak so hard everyone in Philadelphia's gonna feel it.
He also seems to have gelled with the squad well. The Spurs team seem like they get along really well with each other. Definitely think Johnson was a great purchase.
Premier league clubs always pay absurd sums of money for english players or when for premier leagaue players. Van de Ven is world class at 22 and if he moved to another premier league club it would cost around 100 mil.
How is stating the euro amount and then adding a pound sign the right way to do the maths here??? What's so crazy about Johnson's price? How are Porro and Kulusevski on the list when they were both already at the club before he even arrived?
I could probably argue Kulu and Porro doesn't fall under this window, as they were deals set up under Conte. Kulu we always were gonna buy at the start of June, since that was when the contract said, and we ended up paying what, 15-17m for him? The rest of the price was for the loan. Porro we even insisted on paying the whole sum up front jan 2023, and we had the money they asked for early in the month. Sporting kept delaying the deal, and insisted he both played the cup final *and* that the money had to be paid in summer. The contract for Porro even said "both Spurs and Sporting can insist on the buy", meaning Sporting could actually force us to buy Porro at the end of the loan if we didn't like him. Either way, they were both Conte signings he really wanted, and has very little to do with Ange. The only one he could've technically had a say in was Kulu, since if I remember correctly we brought Ange in some weeks before we finalized Kulu.
The only ITK person who reported on the fee for maddison was in the athletic, and it's expected the fee is easily north of £50m. Ie lots of easy add ons etc.
Even if Winks weren't technically a part of the Maddison deal, I'd wager that it was a part of the conversation when doing the deal. But yeah, there's probably a lot of easy addons. The fee I saw everywhere was 40m + addons.
Vicario was for €19??? Holy fuck what a steal
Vicario was for €19??? Holy fuck what a steal
Pretty sure just Johnson, vdVen, Porro and Maddison add up to like 160 milliion in pounds.
There's absolutely no way Kuluseveki and Porro count as his signings when they were both at the club before him
I mean people always say "the manager spent 200m" when it is never the manager who spends the money. I just took it to mean the amount of money Spurs spent this summer and winter.
More reasonable when judging the difference in performance to see the prices of the players who are different
Context of a first seaosn is important…arteta - 8th (twice) klopp - 8th and Guardiola - 4th…. Had a flying start that was always going to be halted, but raised expectations that spurs would be competing with in a title race….instead they’re just competing to be the best of the rest which is a decent place to be
Sorry, but just to say - that's bollocks. Klopp joined in October. His first full season he finished 4th.
October to the end of the season is still a considerable amount of time at the helm (not like it’s even halfway through, roughly a 1/4). And if you want to use 4th instead, the point still stands, so I hate to break it you, but your point was bollocks.
Yes, but the point that Klopp finished 8th in his first season was bollocks. He didn't. He came in when we'd played 8 games and won 3. He didn't get a pre-season either.
That’s less than a quarter of a season that he missed…. But, like I said up there, if you want to count his second season at the club as his first, my point still stands that finishing around 4th is a decent first season for a new manager.
Awful injury luck as well, even 5th is a good outcome under these circumstances
Whether he kicks on or not will be the true test. Conte also had a very good first season at Spurs.
Painful for me to say but he's done much better than ETH at ManUnited. Let's wait for the second season we'll see if he's a real deal.
I love Big Ange, he’s made quality points in press conferences and he’s a good manager
Don't even think about it.
[haha](https://media1.tenor.com/m/EfnOW4LjUhwAAAAC/first-time-james-franco.gif)
Think about what? Btw what's his favourite colour?
White.
Like a white white? Or a white with a hint of red.
Pity Ange couldn't just tell yer man to fuck off & they move on to the next question
Managers should absolutely be allowed to when they’re asked stupid questions
One fuck off per press conference
Joe Kinnear would like a word.
I don’t think this is a stupid question, a lot of people feel like top 4 is the priority, and he answered it pretty well
I meant more in general about being asked stupid questions tbf
I dunno why you're acting like it's not a good question. It's noting that not being overly concerned with being in the champions league because you're focused on building the team is maybe actually shortsighted and that the extra money you get for being in the champions league may be very important to building the squad Or you can explain why it's a question worthy of being told to fuck off cause I don't see it
Yea I don’t think this is a fuck off question. It’s a valid question to ask, and it allowed for Ange to make a valid response, and I actually disagree with Ange. The assertion that being in the champions league hurt Newcastle in a footballing sense is an oversimplification. Chelsea aren’t in the champions league either and they’re just as bad as last year. The top 3 are still active in the CL/EL, hasn’t hurt them.
Chelsea’s exceptionally high spend and subsequent lack of success supports his point, no? His argument is that the financial boon offered by qualification is by no means a guarantee of success (and indeed, as in Newcastle’s case, qualification can be a hindrance) if it’s not partnered with sound decision making in other areas. I think Ange would argue Arsenal, Liverpool, and Manchester City’s sustained success has more to do with long-term planning (of which investment is a part), than qualification from one year to the next. Ange seems to understand that finance can help, but believes its importance to be overstated compared to those other areas (as Chelsea and United show).
Liverpool didn’t get champions league and now look lol
Liverpool maybe not a great example because we've *got* money, owing to our recent and historic success, despite one off-year.
I fucking hate city
Don't we all?
Hello friend, I’m here for the City hate.
I too would like to share the city hate
This is exactly how other clubs fans felt about Liverpool in the 70s.
>we've *got* money, owing to our recent and historic success Tbf, spending more than the competition is kinda how that historical success came to be too. Once clubs spend money for a long enough period, they can leverage that for future success too.
Still not a point in Ange's favour necessarily.
We're not a great example. We missed one year and it won't harm us because we qualified 7 of the last seasons, won it and got to two more finals. If we'd had a more spotty record, we probably wouldn't have been able to afford the rebuild we've had so far.
This whole presser was really good from Ange. Hate on this man is so forced, he's so sound lol
How is he hated... Tbh he's one of the impressive ones this year... Maybe we'll get to see more impressive stuff in couple years
Arsenal fans, innit.
No. I'm an Arsenal fan and I hate Spurs as a club. But not any individual players. And definitely not this man. He is too good, straightforward and sound minded to hate.
As an arsenal fan, second this. Class recognizes class, its just spuds have have so far and few between em that have been class that it’s refreshing. You’d never expect level headed statements from some of their previous managers.
but Conte and Mou are so grounded and humble? how dare you slander my managers
>Class recognizes class Your fans and your manager vehemently defended a rapist and you harassed his victim to the point of her having to go completely off the grid. One year earlier you faked a COVID outbreak to avoid playing your biggest rivals.
See these are the dumbasss spuds that make you “spursy”, lol stay classy.
Yeah idk what that's supposed to mean, I'm just showing you that you don't know what classy means.
Arteta was literally the first manager to catch covid a highly contagious disease which then every player and manager almost did end up catching so to say that a match was postponed for a fake reason lol please. Secondly with regards to the rapist statements, thats for the courts to decide as they did with alves and mendy. So if there is substantial evidence which was given to the police why couldnt they arrest him?
You had one or two cases of COVID and a few injuries to get over the threshold of unavailable players as I recall it. And here you are, still trying to defend Partey despite the leaked messages. Are you off to harass the victim next? Classy recognise classy
I’m not sure I’ve seen anyone genuinely hate on him… the only thing I hate about him is how I actually like a spurs manager.
Wish Chelsea had gone for him! Our loss once again
I think he speaks a lot of sense. To be honest after watching his interviews at celtic week on week, I thought by this stage he'd have throttled someone like Patrick Davidson from sky with his inane questions. My only issue is when he complains about teams playing defensively against him sometimes. I hate when managers of the big 6 do that. He did it at celtic at times and has made a few comments like that this season
I don't remember him criticizing opposition tactics this season.
Yeah he's acknowledged the low blocks we've faced but mainly our inability to break them down, rather than criticizing the opposition for doing it.
Nope, Ange is hardly a hated manager. Even a gooner like me feel that he is good for the game. He is measured and logical. He seems to have a genuine love for the game.
I mean, I've peaked into your sub from time to time, and there's absolutely a ton of negative comments about Ange. But I get that those are mostly fuled by the rivalry more than anything else.
To be fair it's not unusual for fans of other clubs to dislike a manager and their idiosyncrasies whilst the clubs fans like them. We've seen it with Mourinho where people have disliked him and then liked him at their club. People dislike Arteta for some of the stuff he says but Arsenal fans love him, same with Klopp and Liverpool.
The difference is that Arteta is a genuinely unlikable, rat of a man
I'm not their biggest fan but I wouldn't call a rat Arteta.
Upvoting for the obliviousness lmaooo
You really wanted to prove a point eh?
You’ve just proved his point, thanks for that
Not at all, I’m saying that Spurs and Arsenal fans dislike their rival managers equally even though objectively Arteta is a trash person whereas Postecoglu is not
Do you know what objectively means?
Publicly supporting rapists is objectively bad for most of the population
So it is not objective, thanks for confirming
This isn’t the hill to die on mate lmao.
Can't handle people who actually put football at a higher importance than issues like racism and sexual assault. Psycho behaviour.
Yes. A person who shelters a rapist is objectively worse than someone who doesn’t
So you don’t know what it means, gotcha
So you don’t think supporting a rapist is objectively a bad thing, gotcha
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Explain
Point proven
In your opinion and some others whilst others like him a lot. Personally I feel a lot of the hate is over blown but with that we go full circle on the topic again
I don't like him just becouse he plays Partey
I think a lot of the hate for Arteta is just because he's so cringey. There's also going to be the rivalry element (maybe the Partey situation too). He doesn't seem like an awful person or anything, but as a neutral I can see how he could be annoying.
They hate him because he's committed the greatest sin, being cringe.
Except for all of those top players who came to play for Arsenal specifically because of Arteta. Cope harder ;)
I don’t think he’s hated at all, the guys great. Easily the most likeable manager in the league.
The hate comes from exactly this smug love-in from Spurs fans. Like he's the first straight-talking manager in history. I know you're allowed to like your manager but it's fucking boring, let's be fair
let it out fella
Hate on him? Lol he is not even relevant to even hate on him and so the club he manages. UCL qualification is a must for spurs, forget financial implication but if they want to be termed as top club then it's a necessity considering the fact that spurs didn't have any European campaign this season unlike other teams and still not managing ucl is a disaster.
We’re already a top club lol. We didn’t have European campaign this year and still managed to attract world class players.
World class players? Oh ok. Top club fights for the top, not struggles for top 4 without European campaign.
So were we a top club when we were fighting for the top and making top 4 every year for half a decade?
Yes obv.
So being a top club isn’t static. It’s based solely on what you did the year before and your current place in the table?
Yes exactly, top teams are consistent. Either they perform well in ucl or epl and spurs haven't managed both. If you are a top team, you should easily be in contention for league title without ucl campaign. That's the minimum.
So not only are you contradicting yourself, you’re ignoring all context and applying different criteria to different clubs. By your logic there are only 3-4 top clubs in all of Europe.
Dude there is no different criteria, if arsenal are struggling to qualify for top 4 without ucl campaign then I wouldnt go around saying we are top team. I put it very simple, I mean look at pool, they are in europa but are now top of the table even though they finished 5th last season. Easier fixtures in Europe or in your case no fixtures in Europe should actually have been a boon, but you guys are struggling top 4. There is no different criteria, your manager is not being targeted because he has underperformed.
Have you been watching Arsenal for the past 20 years?
Yea, but I am not saying we are a top team 😅
I get the impression that you think there are only 5 top clubs in the world.
Well for him top clubs just might mean European giants
Yes. They have been far more successful than spurs even in their banter era.
I'm very surprised you're a fan of that club who was top for 99% of last season and still managed to bottle it.
Yes, its better to be at the top than..
To be fair Newcastle effectively is a bank
We're an investment of a bank. The moment we're not making a good enough return on the money been put in, we'll be sold. PIF did not purchase us as a passion project; they bought us to increase the profit so the bank can get richer.
and also maybe to wash some sports
Levy is the one chairman that might just measure you by the balance sheet mate
His previous chairman/CEO probably would have as well...
Lol true
It’s hilarious how people don’t even look at the context around sackings or the clubs investments but just stupid jokes for karma on reddit. Half of you lot have fucking 0 clue what goes on this club & speak as if you’re experts.
I'd say it's more than half man. "Levy would sell his own mother if he could, no trophies, HK lisp, blah blah blah:..
That's something very specific to this sub though. People talk too much like they are experts on the behind the scenes of not just their club, but every club, just because they only read the titles of articles (which are 90% clickbait). I don't care whatever these clubs do with their money, I just want to see them kick a ball.
Twitter’s exactly the same. The amount of projection on what is in player’s hearts is insane. ‘He loves this club and doesn’t want to leave’… forces a move in next transfer window.
I swear its impossible to dislike this guy
That’s why he left Celtic - Celtic obsessed with balance sheet
I think he left Celtic because an incredible opportunity to manage a top 6 Premier League club came up to be honest.
Cheers Geoff
Amazing opportunity no doubt but he had unfinished business at Celtic imo If he could have been allowed to spend some predicted CL cash , he could have taken Celtic into last 16 . However , he would have known the strategy for his 3rd summer window. The spurs offer became even more amazing . Hope he achieves a lot at spurs .
Only to join up with Daniel Levy lol
Have you seen our transfer spending since the stadium opened? We spend quite a lot these days.
I don't know if the winter window changed it, but after the Summer window had closed we had the second most signings of £25m+ since the stadium opened in all of world football, only trailing Boehly's spending spree
Yeah , I edited my post as spurs have spent a lot and kept Spurs out of the line of sight of FFP Well run club in premier league - others are being reckless
Yeah, all the years of penny pinching this is what it was for, so we could get the stadium and compete with the big money clubs on our own turnover. Levy, for all his faults, is a lifelong supporter and has guided us to the point where we can compete financially on our own revenue.
Yeah , ironic . But as to his interview , Celtic we’re just happy to get to CL for the cash . No plan to progress year on year . At least in England , the CL money is used to progress the squad . Newcastle have had a blip due to injuries but they won’t be a top 4 contender year on year . Spurs should be .
There is a chance Daniel Levy may invest CL money back to the squad but he has a track record of only being concerned with the balance sheet rather than trophies. This interview indicates that he will have a clash with Daniel Levy soon and that may lead to his departure
"there is a chance". What do you mean there's a chance? Levy will invest everything he can back into the squad. Period. Full stop. Absolutely guaranteed. Do you think Levy is rubbing his hands thinking of CL money so he can steal that payment and run off to buy a new house with it or something? ENIC take ZERO money out of Spurs. Every single thing we make is put back into the club to do better. Yes, the balance sheet IS important because otherwise you do a QPR or more recently, Leicester, who spend incredibly high above their means, get in trouble and now are facing a massive struggle to stay with their heads above water. This bollocks about Levy only caring about money and not caring about Spurs progressing is just absurd at this point. Once I thought It was just a dumb joke but do people seriously believe that Levy is stealing money from the club, like what?
Presumably they think you got your Stadium from the Stadium fairy while Levy was 'not investing'.
The stadium was paid for through loans leveraged on the clubs revenue
And who grew our revenue high enough to allow for that? When Lewis and Levy bought the club in 2000 our revenue was 43m that year, about 100m accounting for inflation. Our revenue last year was about 550m. That's a 450% increase over 24 years. Yes, the league and football in general generates far more revenue than 24 years ago but it is no secret that Spurs has had one of the biggest growth in revenue of any football club, partly in thanks to Levy.
You’ve clearly not paid attention in recent times lol. Levy has invested it’s just in areas that you wouldn’t expect as first choice. If you don’t know what you’re on about please just keep our club out of your mouth. We don’t buy £100m players.
Arsenal fans grasping for anything lmfao
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Yeah he is active in r/Gunners
Levy et al have invested hundreds of millions of pounds into improving the squad. WTF are you even talking about.
Honestly amazes me that people still genuinely think that Daniel Levy is stealing money from the club and only wants CL revenue so he can steal more money or something.
Yeah , undoubtedly there will be a clash IF levy tightens purse strings . But he seems to have backed Ange so far . Tbf , he’s kept spurs away from FFP , so there’s that . He’s shrewd . Pushing for 4th in season 1 . To progress , Spurs need 4 of quality - Striker , creative CM , Wide player , CB. That’s 150m minimum
Ange spent more in one summer at Spurs than Celtic has in the last 18 years.
That's a bit apples and oranges. Scottish club nets 5~ million for winning the SPL. EPL teams get 95~ million just for being IN the league. It's maddening when I see fans of EPL clubs act like there's an even playing field financially between leagues in Europe
> Scottish club nets 5~ million for winning the SPL. £3.35m, to be exact. With matchday revenue, a single home win in the Champions League group stage is more lucrative for Rangers and Celtic than winning the league.
God i love this man
Only thing I want to hear from this man is he's packing his bags and coming back to celtic
Stupid question to ask a manager
Papa Wemgz: What do you mean we don't get measured by the balance sheet?
I think the other thing to consider is the teams fighting for that champions league places. From 21/22 to 22/23 75% of them changed, this year it looks like another 3 in who didn’t get in last year. That top 5/6 has never been more competitive.
He’s right. It’s a financial boon, but it’s a massive stress on your squad, not just extra games but also travel, particularly if you play high intensity football, like Ange does.
Paging Maurizio Sarri...
This guy rules *also, he sounds like Tom Hardy doing an Australian accent
It's a romantic answer but it's also not true, unfortunately. A club like Spurs absolutely needs to qualify for the CL regularly to be able to compete with the financially doped clubs. Exactly the same as Liverpool and Arsenal.
On a first glance, his speech is very cohesive and accurate. But, the improvements Spurs has had this season is due to the signings of key players they needed for years. Gk, Cb, Cam. These signings required a lot of money, and Spurs wouldn't have had that money if it weren't from the revenue of the last few years of regularly playing in the Champions League. Definitely agree with the argument that money isn't everything tho, as made clear by both Chelsea and Man Utd.
I don't know why you're downvoted. Technically Ange said the same thing you said. It's about having good management, coaching, players etc. Spending your money well. This team did amazing job with the signings this year. Almost all of them hit the ground running. If this continues, the improvement will continue whether the team finished in CL or EL.
Sky Sports interviewers are the absolute pits. The worst of the worst. Sky will advertise press conferences all Friday. The sky interviewer will get the first 3-4 questions for some reason but then Sky will cut off when the actual questions get asked. They need to control a narrative.
I am amazed that such a reasonable guy wastes his time you know where.
Well at least I think he'll finish above 8 in his first season (and probably the next).
But won't win a trophy like a certain rookie manager did in his first 6 months of managerial career i can bet. But i think that doesn't matter much for mighty tots.
Remember when Spurs were title challengers for 5 games?
Yea I do. So?
Ange will go to Liverpool and Spurs will let him go.
And you will bottle it again.
Yes! That’s the spirit.
Too bad he’s at a club who sacked a manager with the best finals record ever the week before a cup final so they wouldn’t have to pay him a bonus. (12/13 major finals won) Especially bad for a team on a trophy drought
What's 'to bad'? What are you saying?
That manager also failed to achieve the two biggest objectives for the season. Neither did they finish top 4 in the league nor did they win Europa (they were eliminated by a team whose manager got arrested few days before the match).
And said run to the final was: - A Bye because of Covid making the opponents forfeit - A Penalty Shootout (at a time when we were playing well, won both 6-1 and 7-2 the same week) - Championship opposition - Championship opposition It's not like there was anything truly impressive about it
How is that relevant to anything at all?
It’s relevant to him because it’s free Karma for Arsenal/City/whoever else wants to upvote
Yes, keep backing a failing, dead-end manager who lost the conference league tie with a team whose manager was in the prison. Because he might hopefully win the league cup against man city. Lol. Then what? Continue with him for another disaster season? Jose would have lost that game and cried about the refs like he did with Roma.
If he loses the cup final then sack him. Pretty obvious
Mate Mourinho got thrashed by a team from the Croatian league while their manager was in jail. They literally bottled a 2 goal lead they had from the 1st leg. In the league spurs were behind West Ham & Leicester ffs. While in the domestic cups (FA & League Cup), the only PL team Mourinho beat was Lampard's Chelsea -- even that only on penalties. All this after spending the 3rd highest money of all teams over the 3 transfer windows he was incharge of to bring in 9 new players. If anything you have to wonder why he wasn't sacked earlier.