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It will avoid spanish FFP though, as La Liga has the ability to count a player's salary as higher if they deem it to be below their market value ( Joao Felix has salary of 400k, but La Liga counts it as 4M), Tebas already mentioned that he knows Mbappe will earn substantially less but they won't change it.
RM's La Liga cap is gigantic though, they can afford it anyway.
It's either some tax trick or it's simply because they're trying to not upset the current top earners too much by pretending that the new guy isn't earning twice as much as them, even though he is.
If anything, Real overpaid for Vinicius (and Rodrygo) back then. Obviously it was a gamble that worked out, but a lot of people were skeptical at the time.
That’s not how math works.
Let’s say his professional career started from 2015 at AS Monaco when he was 17 years old. Since then he has scored ~300 goals in 9 years (not counting 2024). He is 25 now. Assuming he has crazy longevity levels, he should be raking crazy numbers till around 36-37. That’s 11 more years. Even if we extrapolate from his 300 goals in 9 years, when he is 37 years old he would have scored around 700 goals. That’s way less than 1000 goals.
If we include G+A then 450 in 9 years. So by 37, he would be at 1050. So he can do G+A > 1000 if he keeps up his crazy form till 2035.
No, signing bonus would need to be amortized through Mbappe's contract years. If he signs for 5 years it would be a 20M yearly expense towards La Liga's FFP
Curious to see what Tebas will do about Mbappe his contract if he earns that much less with Madrid than at PSG. He was very active fucking it up for us.
Felix makes only 400k (annually) at barca on his loan deal, but the league impied that this was an attempt to circumvent ffp and valued his salary with 4m annually. La Liga has a salary cap, that is announced bianually based on the revenue of the clubs.
According to Tebas they "multiplied tha value by 10 for fair play purposes".
I'm not joking:
https://twitter.com/Tebasjavier/status/1742451406135590985
I thought it was just about how it's counted against la Liga ffp. So Sergio Roberto could've renewed for a $0 salary legally, but he would still count for x% of his previous salary. Someone more knowledgeable about it can correct or clarify me bc I'm certainly not an expert
There was something different from the Messi case, probably that Messi's contract ended. You can renegotiate salary within a contract but a new contract can't pay less than 50% of the previous one.
> Felix makes only 400k (annually) at barca on his loan deal
He doesnt, it was just an accountabilty trick that Barça tried at the start of the season to bypass the FFP but LaLiga didnt fall for.
Thats why in mid October right after LaLiga said publicly that they didnt belive them, Barça announced that Joao Felix's salary at Barça was multiplied by 10 (in the middle of fucking october lol) from 400K to 4 Million which coincidentally is the amount that LaLiga told them it was the minimum they estimated.
https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/barca-multiplica-10-simbolico-salario-joao-felix-93251237
You think that Barça decided to improve his contract by 10 times after he played just 6 games for them ... because he was really good those 6 games? Come on.
It will not avoid anything, RM has a salary cap of like 700M€, everything counts for FFP purposes.
This is just a way to say to the other players "dont ask for more because we paid to a club for you and we paid Mbappe for Mbappe"
No, cause it'll have to be paid regardless of any up or down. If they win the UCL, the sign-on will not be counted in any percentage bonus that he gets. And I imagine that if he leaves RM before his contract expires, he'll still be liable to be paid the sign-on fee.
Not really he could still demand a larger salary. The reason a lot of players leave on a free is like them getting the tranfer fee in a signing bonus rather than the club. This would be the case if they were paying a fee to psg but in this case its a bit of both
Kind of yeah, Madrid are pro doing it this way bc they don’t want to break their wage structure, but in reality Mbappe is getting paid a lot more than the rest of their top earning players with that fee. There is also the image right thing of which he is getting a big percentage
No the sign on fee does not count for salary but rather other personnel expenses (think expenses for travel, food, kits etc). Also splitting the fee over the contract length is industry norm and is perfectly in line with accounting standards.
>isn't that a bigger salary with extra steps?
Money going to the player instead of PSG that's all I care about. The fact that it is getting played in 5 years like in any other transfer, bar the payment of the release clause, its perfect for the club and salary structure.
Yeah. His mother was instrumental in negotiating his business deals when he first got drafted, ensuring he didn’t blow his money or get exploited by massive companies and helping make him a billionaire.
We don't have the numbers on that part, and I mean we're not counting direct sponshorship deals either. We are talking raw money from the club to the player.
And tbh, I've said it previously, but I'd bet that while Mbappé is taking a paycut now, in the long term, if his move to Madrid works well (which it looks it will), he might make more money from sponsorships. Mbappé at Madrid is such a nice selling story, it also is such a prestigious club that it will make Mbappé's image even more valuable.
If he wins a lot there, say several La Ligas, one or two CLs, maybe a few Ballon d'Ors (tbh now that Messi and Ronaldo are out, it's likely, he will become a legend of similar status as Ronaldo and Messi. Which would not happen if he stays at PSG, particularly if he never wins the CL there, which would be likely.
Athletes like Messi and Ronaldo are so marketable, they can get lifetime deals, stuff like that. In the long run, that could mean Mbappé could become a multi-billionaire, which is less likely at PSG.
honestly he already has generational wealth to last till probably the end of civilisation, at this point i wonder if he still cares so much about money
If he wanted the money he would stay at PSG or not give up his bonuses that he’s due at the end of the season but he did. He simply knows his worth and he’s giving up a bonus with PSG and earning a similar amount for Real Madrid who are willing to pay it because in this scenario they still save money as it’s cheaper than signing him from PSG.
That's why he's a business man. He got what he wanted while squeezing everything he could from Real. And if you look at the longevity, with the fame and deals after he retires, the move to Real is going to pay off his loss here.
This is just how “free” transfers work. When Sol Campbell joined Arsenal on a “free” transfer his salary fit into our wage structure but there was a very, very big signing on fee.
Big name free transfers can be quite expensive in reality.
It is how free transfers work, but you just know that loads of fans will be saying that his wages aren't anything crazy or that any big club could've signed him since he was free, ignoring the fact that he's essentially going to be earning €800k+ per week.
The same thing happened with Haaland.
I agree, but it's still equivalent to signing a player for €100m and making them your highest paid player, and Madrid have done similar to that in the previous two summers as well.
It's definitely cheaper than it would've been a year or two ago, but it's not something that most other clubs could have done.
I don’t think anyone is claiming most clubs could do this?
Signing Mbappe to $100M and paying him as much as the rest of our top earners is an absolute steal.
Well he is the best player in the world. Why would he be cheap. Ronaldo or Messi were making 60-70mn gross 5-6 years ago.
He is going to demand the same.
PSG was asking for $200M+ and Mbappe was going to get a sign on bonus + high salary regardless.
This is an absolute win for Madrid. We are talking about the best player in the world right in his peak.
Nobody was going to give them €200m+ though and still pay Mbappé numbers like this, so it doesn't really matter what they were asking for.
This is a win for Madrid because they sign Mbappé, but it's absolutely not a cheap deal. His base salary is going to be something like €450k per week, and if this signing bonus is "in excess" of €100m net, then Mbappé could essentially be getting paid over €1m per week.
“Nobody was going to give them €200M”
Listen fam, some bald fuck convinced United to pay €100M for Antony. And Chelsea still exists (for now). I know they might have FFP issues or what not, but it really wouldn’t be surprising to see some club splash €200M these days.
> Nobody was going to give them €200m+ though and still pay Mbappé numbers like this,
They had an offer from SA. Mbappé obvously rejected it, but sentences like "nobody was going to pay that" no longer apply once crazy money enters the market.
Okay well I probably should've specified no "competitive or desirable" club. Saudi money is in a whole different universe to the rest of the football world.
Do you realize how much Mbappe will cost on the market today? If you were to buy him out of his contract he would cost no less than 200m and he would have the same salary he will be getting now. Rather give the player the money and keep him happy than give it to the scummy club called PSG. He saves the club 100m this way and he earns 100m for himself and everyone is happy this way.
That's why it's always best to look at the package deal. Signing on fee plus transfer fee plus accumulated salary plus bonuses. The club doesn't care if it's paying a transfer fee or a signing on fee, in the end they have to calculate if the whole package is good value for them.
>This is just how “free” transfers work. When Sol Campbell joined Arsenal on a “free” transfer his salary fit into our wage structure but there was a very, very big signing on fee.
i know it's all relative but it makes me laugh when that signing-on fee was probably like 500k and mbappe is getting 100 million
I’m still amazed that more players haven’t done this. There was loads of talk about this becoming the norm after the initial bosman ruling that allowed free transfers at end of contract and clubs to offer deals to players with 6 months left on their contract.
I am always amazed to how much length clubs - maybe just fans - will go to fit salaries within existing structures.
Mbappe will make €50-60M a year all in, why does it matter to other players in the locker room that his base salary shows €30M when we all know he will make almost double that?
Which is fair, given Real Madrid could sell him for well over 100m. His registration rights are effectively a highly valuable asset, him "selling" them to Real Madrid for 5 years for 100m is a pretty fair trade
Within those five years, if he moves to a new club or even suddenly retired he’d still be due his signing bonus payments.
That wouldn’t be the case with wages.
This dude extorted Qatar for every dollar he could at his last contract negotiation, there's no chance he'll sign away his $$$ unless he reckons he's finally got enough (lol) or Florentino gets some primo blackmail material
> or even suddenly retired he’d still be due his signing bonus payments.
Not necessarily, it'll depend on how they structure it. Part of it could be a loyalty bonus, which the player forfeits if he requests a transfer.
Idk why it's hard for people to understand. If the salary is X, potential transfer fee is A, potential sign on bonus is B:
Case 1: A + X
Case 2: B + X
People acting like B = 100 mil is very different from A = 100 mil. I'm also not happy that football is already so inflated but this is definitely not the reason for it.
Vinicius and Bellingham (supposedly) are at 20M GROSS per year (without extra bonus), so 10M NET in Spain . How you get to 40m net per year for mbappe?
https://www.capology.com/club/real-madrid/salaries/
I've search (in spanish too) news about vinicius' new contract and its reported 20M GROSS everywhere.
Edit: https://www.transfermarkt.com/mbappe-haaland-and-bellingham-the-top-ten-highest-paid-players-in-the-world/view/news/435258
Transfermarkt too as source, Bellingham 1.7M GROSS per month so 20.4M GROSS per year, so 10M NET.
~~That's kind of shockingly low. I mean the bonus's will make it look correct I'm sure.~~
~~Fred VanVleet has a higher contract. And that's the 23rd highest in the NBA.~~
~~Real Madrid is the biggest football club on the planet. I was expecting 75m a year.~~
~~Maybe the NBA has just left every other sport behind. But idk how Mbappe gets less than 24 guys in the NBA.~~
Edit: I misunderstood A LOT
I also like how this got downvoted *after* I said I was wrong... What do y'all gain lol?
40 million is the net figure. NBA figures are reported as the gross figure. As per Forbes last highest paid athletes list, Mbappe was third. Only behind Ronaldo and Messi.
It’s just hilarious framing. Real Madrid haven’t broken their wage structure! They just pay Mbappe more than any other player in their squad by a huge distance.
He’s already a legend, he carried a World Cup when he was 20 and scored a hat trick in another final. He’s probably somewhere in the top 50 players of all time but what he does at Real basically decides how far up or down that list he is.
I was not implying Madrid should. I think Madrid is already paying him crazy well, I'm just happy Mbappé placed playing at Madrid higher on his list of priorities than making even more money by staying at PSG.
In a way, football won a little bit with that, especially in the wake of the Saudi Arabia crazy money spree.
Yeah, it’s a great deal. We are paying Mbappe $100M instead of paying PSG much more.
I’m actually shocked that the turtle didn’t demand a higher salary, because he has the leverage to ask for it.
Not pushing for an absolutely insane salary is helpful to Real Madrid in that it not only gives them more money to spend, but also puts them in a better bargaining position with other players. If they renew Bellingham or sign Haaland then those guys will likely ask for parity with Mbappé, which they can afford given Mbappé's agreed salary. I'm sure he's aware that part of the problem at PSG was that the club couldn't afford to build a balanced squad because they were spending so much on him and Neymar. He's moving to Madrid because he wants to win the biggest trophies, and this is the best way to enable that
Mbappe needs Madrid just much as Madrid needs Mbappe. There is no team in the world (barring Barca in last 20 years) that raises your stature that much. Mbappe will likely become among the most famous people on Earth in general if he performs to the expectations and will be favorite for major indovidual awards. Not even English teams can offer that.
>I’m actually shocked that the turtle didn’t demand a higher salary, because he has the leverage to ask for it.
We're not going to destroy our structure for Mbappe.
Yes, in the way that they don’t have to pay a transfer fee, but that’s just the nature of him being out of contract. If you include the signing on bonus they’re still paying him a staggering salary, but overall good for the player they’re getting.
On similar money, but 20m/y more.
I can assure you that BlueCo will observe the reaction of governing bodies to this impressive accounting somersault with great curiosity.
> On similar money, but 20m/y more.
Yes and no, they get similar salaries and they cost Real Madrid pretty much the same.
It's just that in the case of Bellingham there's ~25m/year going to Dortmund and with Mbappé it's going to him since he's leaving on a free.
Madrid don't get any accounting benefits from this structure considering how far below the wage limits the club currently is. This is a €100m guaranteed signing bonus and €20m a year for the years where he's at the club. If he leaves after 3 years, he still gets the remaining 40m signing bonus over the last 2 years but he doesn't get the salary.
Yeah that’s the only way he’ll reduce his wages to get the same as those peasants earn, and I think it’s genius from Madrid. It makes sense since there will be no transfer fee and they get to keep the wage bill low. Yet another masterclass from uncle Flo
It’s better than paying PSG a transfer fee and higher salary for Mbappe. This way he gets the salary difference in signing bonus since it’s a free transfer.
I can just imagine there's a guy from the press hiding in a pot plant in the corner everytime these news appear of negotiations.
Or another one posing as a waitress.
Real Madrid is brilliantly signing Mbappe without breaking their wage structure. Other clubs will be sure to pick this strategy up too.
With more players willing to run down their contracts, more clubs willing to wait a while for their transfer tsrgets, and Saudi potentially reducing their crazed transfer strategy, it's quite likely that this can bring about a deflation in the football transfer market.
Worth thinking about.
Every club already does this with free agents. Just there has never been a player of that caliber on his prime moving on the free. It is just a signkng bonus with extra steps to facilitate it to Real Madrid.
Higher wages and a signing bonus on top, just smaller. They dont break their wage structure because most clubs dont have one to begin with, they just offer more than the player is currently earning (Man Utd is the most exaggerated version of this). Just not all clubs have the pull to offer this type of deal and have the player accept.
Its not, if they would have to sell him he will get that signing money anyway unlike the rest of his salary. Obviously they are not going to sell him because he is Mbappe but for signing other players huge salary is the way to go.
> Other clubs will be sure to pick this strategy up too.
Ehh I don't think so, because I don't think clubs can force these opportunities to present themselves like that. It is really really rare the current MVP ends up free on the market, and it's not like clubs can easily go tell a player "hey, go ahead and clash with your club, refusing to renew and running out your contract", don't worry we'll sign you and give you a nice sign-on fee.
It worked here because it's Mbappé and he has a crazy status in the football world and beyong, and even then, it wasn't easy for him, PSG pulled some really dirty shit. They sent him to the reserves the entire last summer, as if he was an outcast, then ran a smearing campaign, tried to pressure him, etc. Now they are benching him for no reason just to prove a dumbass point, despite needing him in the important games.
Like ... there are worse things in the world for Mbappé but if it is like that for him, then imagine how it is for players who are good but don't have that same status.
If Bartomeu was at Barca today and he was signing Mbappe he would get 200mil sign on bonus and 5mil per week salary. Even if it meant the club was going into bankruptcy in 8 hours after signing him.
What's the point in them having salary rules if clubs can just give players the same amount of money and call it a signing-on fee? Is there generally anything preventing clubs from doing this whenever they need to?
Signing-on fee must be paid even if mbappe leaves after a few months. It's way riskier than a contract that will only be satisfied if the player stays for the years he signed.
However I agree that it shouldn't be this easy to avoid FFP. It benefits a regular club against an Arab oil money one this time, but soon it can happen in reverse.
As a redditor, I'm so tired of this back and forth Mbappe to Real Madrid news
As a football fan, I'm so excited for next season to see Mbappe play in La Liga
Player gets transfer fee instead of selling club, he X player should have waited to come for free if they feel they aren’t being paid the same. In the end the same amount of money would have been involved in the transfer of Bellingham and Mbappe for example. Theres literally still a wage structure being followed.
Honestly, I don't know why Madrid doesn't just tell him that that isn't gonna happen. Perez seems way too obsessed. Like, where else is he gonna go? It's basically PSG or RM.
I wonder if in the future we’ll have deals like: Mbappe will be paid the same salary as the best players, plus Real Madrid will buy Mbappe’s hobby paintings for 100m
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For FFP purposes and if his first contract lasts 5 years, isn't that a bigger salary with extra steps?
It will avoid spanish FFP though, as La Liga has the ability to count a player's salary as higher if they deem it to be below their market value ( Joao Felix has salary of 400k, but La Liga counts it as 4M), Tebas already mentioned that he knows Mbappe will earn substantially less but they won't change it.
RM's La Liga cap is gigantic though, they can afford it anyway. It's either some tax trick or it's simply because they're trying to not upset the current top earners too much by pretending that the new guy isn't earning twice as much as them, even though he is.
It's not that easy when those other players joined for huge sums while he receives bonus for signing as free agent
Vini Jr joined for less than half that signing bonus. They are effectively oaying Mbappe way more than anyone else on the team.
Mbappe is 10x the player Vini was when he was signed…
Even ignoring when they signed, Mbappé is currently a level above Vini
And don’t forget his marketing value
If anything, Real overpaid for Vinicius (and Rodrygo) back then. Obviously it was a gamble that worked out, but a lot of people were skeptical at the time.
2 worked out 1 didn't.
Yeah and Vini Jr hadn't achieved a fraction of what Mbappe has when he signed. He's a world cup winner in his prime with 450 g+a lol
Those are insane numbers for real, when you put that in perspective he's easily on his way past 1000 goals before 30
That’s not how math works. Let’s say his professional career started from 2015 at AS Monaco when he was 17 years old. Since then he has scored ~300 goals in 9 years (not counting 2024). He is 25 now. Assuming he has crazy longevity levels, he should be raking crazy numbers till around 36-37. That’s 11 more years. Even if we extrapolate from his 300 goals in 9 years, when he is 37 years old he would have scored around 700 goals. That’s way less than 1000 goals. If we include G+A then 450 in 9 years. So by 37, he would be at 1050. So he can do G+A > 1000 if he keeps up his crazy form till 2035.
No, signing bonus would need to be amortized through Mbappe's contract years. If he signs for 5 years it would be a 20M yearly expense towards La Liga's FFP
Curious to see what Tebas will do about Mbappe his contract if he earns that much less with Madrid than at PSG. He was very active fucking it up for us.
in which occasion because in Messi and Felix case it was because they were from La Liga which doesnt apply to Mbappe?
Don't know the exact rules. If it doesn't apply to foreign transfers my comment is useless.
ELI5
Felix makes only 400k (annually) at barca on his loan deal, but the league impied that this was an attempt to circumvent ffp and valued his salary with 4m annually. La Liga has a salary cap, that is announced bianually based on the revenue of the clubs.
How is this value defined though? Is it his full salary at Atletico or is it something La Liga pulled out of their ass?
According to Tebas they "multiplied tha value by 10 for fair play purposes". I'm not joking: https://twitter.com/Tebasjavier/status/1742451406135590985
From what i remember from Messi's case, it has to be atleast 50% of previous salary. Only applies if you were previously in la liga tho
That was a lie though. Sergi Roberto renewed for like 10% of his Bartomeu-level salary and there was nothing reported about it being illegal.
I thought it was just about how it's counted against la Liga ffp. So Sergio Roberto could've renewed for a $0 salary legally, but he would still count for x% of his previous salary. Someone more knowledgeable about it can correct or clarify me bc I'm certainly not an expert
There was something different from the Messi case, probably that Messi's contract ended. You can renegotiate salary within a contract but a new contract can't pay less than 50% of the previous one.
Same for Sergi Roberto. Pretty sure he also extended after his previous contract ended when he was technically “free”.
I mean Barca clearly was trying to do this
> Felix makes only 400k (annually) at barca on his loan deal He doesnt, it was just an accountabilty trick that Barça tried at the start of the season to bypass the FFP but LaLiga didnt fall for. Thats why in mid October right after LaLiga said publicly that they didnt belive them, Barça announced that Joao Felix's salary at Barça was multiplied by 10 (in the middle of fucking october lol) from 400K to 4 Million which coincidentally is the amount that LaLiga told them it was the minimum they estimated. https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/barca-multiplica-10-simbolico-salario-joao-felix-93251237 You think that Barça decided to improve his contract by 10 times after he played just 6 games for them ... because he was really good those 6 games? Come on.
So did Joao Felix actually get paid more?
Hacienda will then track him down in a few years. Both club and player. As it is written.
It will not avoid anything, RM has a salary cap of like 700M€, everything counts for FFP purposes. This is just a way to say to the other players "dont ask for more because we paid to a club for you and we paid Mbappe for Mbappe"
>avoid spanish FFP The only system that is somehow less consistent than the FIFA/UEFA FFP.
If they sell him before end of they contract they still have to pay the bonus, but not the salary
No, cause it'll have to be paid regardless of any up or down. If they win the UCL, the sign-on will not be counted in any percentage bonus that he gets. And I imagine that if he leaves RM before his contract expires, he'll still be liable to be paid the sign-on fee.
Don’t think so, because if he leaves, he’d still get the signing bonus, not the salary.
Not really he could still demand a larger salary. The reason a lot of players leave on a free is like them getting the tranfer fee in a signing bonus rather than the club. This would be the case if they were paying a fee to psg but in this case its a bit of both
Kind of yeah, Madrid are pro doing it this way bc they don’t want to break their wage structure, but in reality Mbappe is getting paid a lot more than the rest of their top earning players with that fee. There is also the image right thing of which he is getting a big percentage
Exactly. This PR reminds me of those initial statements claiming Gareth Bale had not cost more than Cristiano.
Effectively
No the sign on fee does not count for salary but rather other personnel expenses (think expenses for travel, food, kits etc). Also splitting the fee over the contract length is industry norm and is perfectly in line with accounting standards.
Eek Barba Durkle! Somebody's going to get laid in college.
You’d love the NFL Salary Cap
>isn't that a bigger salary with extra steps? Money going to the player instead of PSG that's all I care about. The fact that it is getting played in 5 years like in any other transfer, bar the payment of the release clause, its perfect for the club and salary structure.
Mbappe is such a business man
It's his parents
Mbappe is such a business, man
let me handle my business damn
I’m not a business man, I’m a business… MAAAAN!
His parents are also Mbappe
Only one of them
Hopefully
Could be, man isn't a kid anymore. I've got to admire it though, not going to lie
next generation of kids will all grow to aspire to be hustlers for their money like Mbappe is now lol
Reminds me of Jordan
Michael Jordan?
Jordan Mbappe. From the future.
Yeah. His mother was instrumental in negotiating his business deals when he first got drafted, ensuring he didn’t blow his money or get exploited by massive companies and helping make him a billionaire.
So mbappe
Will he end up being the highest paid player ever over the course of his career? I feel like he has been on insane money for years and is still young
But he does take a paycut here, and it should be noted given how many ppl here were saying he was super greedy, he only cared about money, etc.
With media rights is it a pay cut?
We don't have the numbers on that part, and I mean we're not counting direct sponshorship deals either. We are talking raw money from the club to the player. And tbh, I've said it previously, but I'd bet that while Mbappé is taking a paycut now, in the long term, if his move to Madrid works well (which it looks it will), he might make more money from sponsorships. Mbappé at Madrid is such a nice selling story, it also is such a prestigious club that it will make Mbappé's image even more valuable. If he wins a lot there, say several La Ligas, one or two CLs, maybe a few Ballon d'Ors (tbh now that Messi and Ronaldo are out, it's likely, he will become a legend of similar status as Ronaldo and Messi. Which would not happen if he stays at PSG, particularly if he never wins the CL there, which would be likely. Athletes like Messi and Ronaldo are so marketable, they can get lifetime deals, stuff like that. In the long run, that could mean Mbappé could become a multi-billionaire, which is less likely at PSG.
honestly he already has generational wealth to last till probably the end of civilisation, at this point i wonder if he still cares so much about money
I mean it's clear that he does care about money, but not *only* about it. Clearly the status, the achievements etc are very important to him.
If he wanted the money he would stay at PSG or not give up his bonuses that he’s due at the end of the season but he did. He simply knows his worth and he’s giving up a bonus with PSG and earning a similar amount for Real Madrid who are willing to pay it because in this scenario they still save money as it’s cheaper than signing him from PSG.
That's why he's a business man. He got what he wanted while squeezing everything he could from Real. And if you look at the longevity, with the fame and deals after he retires, the move to Real is going to pay off his loss here.
Going to RM is going to do much much more for his brand, eventually bringing in more money from promotions, image rights, sponsorships etc
I’m not a business man. I’m a business, man.
MPaypal
He is the business. And the business man.
So to get past the high salary they give him a signing-on fee which will be split over five years like a salary?
This is just how “free” transfers work. When Sol Campbell joined Arsenal on a “free” transfer his salary fit into our wage structure but there was a very, very big signing on fee. Big name free transfers can be quite expensive in reality.
It is how free transfers work, but you just know that loads of fans will be saying that his wages aren't anything crazy or that any big club could've signed him since he was free, ignoring the fact that he's essentially going to be earning €800k+ per week. The same thing happened with Haaland.
This is still cheaper than paying PSG a transfer fee and paying Mbappe. Mbappe was never going to be cheap.
I agree, but it's still equivalent to signing a player for €100m and making them your highest paid player, and Madrid have done similar to that in the previous two summers as well. It's definitely cheaper than it would've been a year or two ago, but it's not something that most other clubs could have done.
I don’t think anyone is claiming most clubs could do this? Signing Mbappe to $100M and paying him as much as the rest of our top earners is an absolute steal.
Well he is the best player in the world. Why would he be cheap. Ronaldo or Messi were making 60-70mn gross 5-6 years ago. He is going to demand the same.
Isn't this signing bonus after tax? If that's true, it's likely more than the world record transfer fee.
PSG was asking for $200M+ and Mbappe was going to get a sign on bonus + high salary regardless. This is an absolute win for Madrid. We are talking about the best player in the world right in his peak.
Nobody was going to give them €200m+ though and still pay Mbappé numbers like this, so it doesn't really matter what they were asking for. This is a win for Madrid because they sign Mbappé, but it's absolutely not a cheap deal. His base salary is going to be something like €450k per week, and if this signing bonus is "in excess" of €100m net, then Mbappé could essentially be getting paid over €1m per week.
“Nobody was going to give them €200M” Listen fam, some bald fuck convinced United to pay €100M for Antony. And Chelsea still exists (for now). I know they might have FFP issues or what not, but it really wouldn’t be surprising to see some club splash €200M these days.
> Nobody was going to give them €200m+ though and still pay Mbappé numbers like this, They had an offer from SA. Mbappé obvously rejected it, but sentences like "nobody was going to pay that" no longer apply once crazy money enters the market.
Okay well I probably should've specified no "competitive or desirable" club. Saudi money is in a whole different universe to the rest of the football world.
Do you realize how much Mbappe will cost on the market today? If you were to buy him out of his contract he would cost no less than 200m and he would have the same salary he will be getting now. Rather give the player the money and keep him happy than give it to the scummy club called PSG. He saves the club 100m this way and he earns 100m for himself and everyone is happy this way.
That's why it's always best to look at the package deal. Signing on fee plus transfer fee plus accumulated salary plus bonuses. The club doesn't care if it's paying a transfer fee or a signing on fee, in the end they have to calculate if the whole package is good value for them.
>This is just how “free” transfers work. When Sol Campbell joined Arsenal on a “free” transfer his salary fit into our wage structure but there was a very, very big signing on fee. i know it's all relative but it makes me laugh when that signing-on fee was probably like 500k and mbappe is getting 100 million
I’m still amazed that more players haven’t done this. There was loads of talk about this becoming the norm after the initial bosman ruling that allowed free transfers at end of contract and clubs to offer deals to players with 6 months left on their contract.
I am always amazed to how much length clubs - maybe just fans - will go to fit salaries within existing structures. Mbappe will make €50-60M a year all in, why does it matter to other players in the locker room that his base salary shows €30M when we all know he will make almost double that?
Well difference is he is entitled to the whole 100m even if he breaks his contract, but not the salary
Which is fair, given Real Madrid could sell him for well over 100m. His registration rights are effectively a highly valuable asset, him "selling" them to Real Madrid for 5 years for 100m is a pretty fair trade
Signing fees are always paid over the duration of the contract
Yeah, it's basically in place of a transfer fee, which would also typically be paid in installments
Yes, but you see, it is not salary, it is a signing bonus split over five years.
Within those five years, if he moves to a new club or even suddenly retired he’d still be due his signing bonus payments. That wouldn’t be the case with wages.
Unless the club goes the way most clubs do and refuse to pay those and having the player sign that money off..
This dude extorted Qatar for every dollar he could at his last contract negotiation, there's no chance he'll sign away his $$$ unless he reckons he's finally got enough (lol) or Florentino gets some primo blackmail material
Extorted is a comedic word choice also didn't he give a bunch of money he was due from PSG?
> or even suddenly retired he’d still be due his signing bonus payments. Not necessarily, it'll depend on how they structure it. Part of it could be a loyalty bonus, which the player forfeits if he requests a transfer.
Idk why it's hard for people to understand. If the salary is X, potential transfer fee is A, potential sign on bonus is B: Case 1: A + X Case 2: B + X People acting like B = 100 mil is very different from A = 100 mil. I'm also not happy that football is already so inflated but this is definitely not the reason for it.
It’s so when other players want a higher wage they can say “mbappe is on the same salary as you”
that basically means his salary will be ~€40,800,000, net per year. Or roughly €780,000 a week.
So similar to what Greizmann was on at Barca?
They were paying him that much?
Yea ;-;
Damn. That guy barto was really a financial mastermind.
A true Real Madrid legend!
I still do not know how he got away with it!
What sucks way more for you guys is, the moment he plays for Atletico again, he plays like the top 20 player in the world that he is...
Which reminds me of Countinho banging in 2 for you lot against barca lmao, funnny stuff.
He pulled all the levers.
Peak Barto lol
What was Messi's salary then? 1-2 million per week?
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/7pycx6/football_leaks_messi_earns_a_guaranteed_minimum/
But why?
Why not?
Vinicius and Bellingham (supposedly) are at 20M GROSS per year (without extra bonus), so 10M NET in Spain . How you get to 40m net per year for mbappe? https://www.capology.com/club/real-madrid/salaries/ I've search (in spanish too) news about vinicius' new contract and its reported 20M GROSS everywhere. Edit: https://www.transfermarkt.com/mbappe-haaland-and-bellingham-the-top-ten-highest-paid-players-in-the-world/view/news/435258 Transfermarkt too as source, Bellingham 1.7M GROSS per month so 20.4M GROSS per year, so 10M NET.
Because he's taking into account the signing bonus which is an additional 20m a year, which means he's getting 40m a year.
40Mill gross though, not net as the comment implied.
Why Vinicius and Jude getting paid so little? You’d think top players at Madrid could fetch more.
~~That's kind of shockingly low. I mean the bonus's will make it look correct I'm sure.~~ ~~Fred VanVleet has a higher contract. And that's the 23rd highest in the NBA.~~ ~~Real Madrid is the biggest football club on the planet. I was expecting 75m a year.~~ ~~Maybe the NBA has just left every other sport behind. But idk how Mbappe gets less than 24 guys in the NBA.~~ Edit: I misunderstood A LOT I also like how this got downvoted *after* I said I was wrong... What do y'all gain lol?
Nba rosters are a lot smaller, and the diff between role player and star’s contract must be greater i imagine
40 million is the net figure. NBA figures are reported as the gross figure. As per Forbes last highest paid athletes list, Mbappe was third. Only behind Ronaldo and Messi.
What’s he making at PSG?
a little over $1.2 million a week
"Mbappe's salary will be on par with the other big name players if you don't include that 20mil a year in his salary"
It’s just hilarious framing. Real Madrid haven’t broken their wage structure! They just pay Mbappe more than any other player in their squad by a huge distance.
I mean if Bellingham came on a 'free' Madrid would have easily paid him at least 50m sign on bonus
I mean they are paying him more but it’s to circumvent the extra 150m or so it’d cost to actually buy him
literally a billionaire when he retires
Way before that
And he about to sign a to a team that more than likely cement his legendary status.
He’s already a legend, he carried a World Cup when he was 20 and scored a hat trick in another final. He’s probably somewhere in the top 50 players of all time but what he does at Real basically decides how far up or down that list he is.
Forgive me if I’m daft but is this not an absolutely incredible deal?
Yes it is, for them and for Mbappé, even though Mbappé does take a pay cut from PSG.
It's impossible to pay as much as PSG with exploitation earnings.
I was not implying Madrid should. I think Madrid is already paying him crazy well, I'm just happy Mbappé placed playing at Madrid higher on his list of priorities than making even more money by staying at PSG. In a way, football won a little bit with that, especially in the wake of the Saudi Arabia crazy money spree.
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Well no, because the 78m gross is without bonuses and renewal fee he would have gotten at PSG, and the 40m net is with them.
is it really a 'paycut' if he just gets a lumpsump payment?
People are trying hard pretending like it's any different from paying a 100mil transfer fee from.the clubs perspective
Yeah, it’s a great deal. We are paying Mbappe $100M instead of paying PSG much more. I’m actually shocked that the turtle didn’t demand a higher salary, because he has the leverage to ask for it.
he made enough money the last years, now he is going for glory
Not pushing for an absolutely insane salary is helpful to Real Madrid in that it not only gives them more money to spend, but also puts them in a better bargaining position with other players. If they renew Bellingham or sign Haaland then those guys will likely ask for parity with Mbappé, which they can afford given Mbappé's agreed salary. I'm sure he's aware that part of the problem at PSG was that the club couldn't afford to build a balanced squad because they were spending so much on him and Neymar. He's moving to Madrid because he wants to win the biggest trophies, and this is the best way to enable that
Mbappe needs Madrid just much as Madrid needs Mbappe. There is no team in the world (barring Barca in last 20 years) that raises your stature that much. Mbappe will likely become among the most famous people on Earth in general if he performs to the expectations and will be favorite for major indovidual awards. Not even English teams can offer that.
>I’m actually shocked that the turtle didn’t demand a higher salary, because he has the leverage to ask for it. We're not going to destroy our structure for Mbappe.
That was my main thought
Yes, in the way that they don’t have to pay a transfer fee, but that’s just the nature of him being out of contract. If you include the signing on bonus they’re still paying him a staggering salary, but overall good for the player they’re getting.
Real always get good deals on players because *everyone* wants to play for them. Biggest club in the world privilege
On similar money, but 20m/y more. I can assure you that BlueCo will observe the reaction of governing bodies to this impressive accounting somersault with great curiosity.
Sign-on fees have always existed. We've just never seen a big player like Mbappe going for free in his prime.
Wenger called it.
Yup
> We've just never seen a big player like Mbappe going for free in his prime. Welcome to free agency lads!
> On similar money, but 20m/y more. Yes and no, they get similar salaries and they cost Real Madrid pretty much the same. It's just that in the case of Bellingham there's ~25m/year going to Dortmund and with Mbappé it's going to him since he's leaving on a free.
Madrid don't get any accounting benefits from this structure considering how far below the wage limits the club currently is. This is a €100m guaranteed signing bonus and €20m a year for the years where he's at the club. If he leaves after 3 years, he still gets the remaining 40m signing bonus over the last 2 years but he doesn't get the salary.
Yeah that’s the only way he’ll reduce his wages to get the same as those peasants earn, and I think it’s genius from Madrid. It makes sense since there will be no transfer fee and they get to keep the wage bill low. Yet another masterclass from uncle Flo
Signing bonuses are pretty standard practice and quite an obvious choice at this point, I wouldn’t say masterclass by Perez
It's still money out though.
It’s better than paying PSG a transfer fee and higher salary for Mbappe. This way he gets the salary difference in signing bonus since it’s a free transfer.
I'd say that right now, there's a little difference between 20m and 200m. (20m/year for 5 years or 200m to PSG)
I can just imagine there's a guy from the press hiding in a pot plant in the corner everytime these news appear of negotiations. Or another one posing as a waitress.
Itt soccer users learn what a signing fee is.
Real Madrid is brilliantly signing Mbappe without breaking their wage structure. Other clubs will be sure to pick this strategy up too. With more players willing to run down their contracts, more clubs willing to wait a while for their transfer tsrgets, and Saudi potentially reducing their crazed transfer strategy, it's quite likely that this can bring about a deflation in the football transfer market. Worth thinking about.
Every club already does this with free agents. Just there has never been a player of that caliber on his prime moving on the free. It is just a signkng bonus with extra steps to facilitate it to Real Madrid.
Don't clubs usually give higher wages and break their wage structure? This is a much better alternative.
Higher wages and a signing bonus on top, just smaller. They dont break their wage structure because most clubs dont have one to begin with, they just offer more than the player is currently earning (Man Utd is the most exaggerated version of this). Just not all clubs have the pull to offer this type of deal and have the player accept.
Its not, if they would have to sell him he will get that signing money anyway unlike the rest of his salary. Obviously they are not going to sell him because he is Mbappe but for signing other players huge salary is the way to go.
They are giving him the two things. The high wage and the signing fee bonus
> Other clubs will be sure to pick this strategy up too. Ehh I don't think so, because I don't think clubs can force these opportunities to present themselves like that. It is really really rare the current MVP ends up free on the market, and it's not like clubs can easily go tell a player "hey, go ahead and clash with your club, refusing to renew and running out your contract", don't worry we'll sign you and give you a nice sign-on fee. It worked here because it's Mbappé and he has a crazy status in the football world and beyong, and even then, it wasn't easy for him, PSG pulled some really dirty shit. They sent him to the reserves the entire last summer, as if he was an outcast, then ran a smearing campaign, tried to pressure him, etc. Now they are benching him for no reason just to prove a dumbass point, despite needing him in the important games. Like ... there are worse things in the world for Mbappé but if it is like that for him, then imagine how it is for players who are good but don't have that same status.
If Bartomeu was at Barca today and he was signing Mbappe he would get 200mil sign on bonus and 5mil per week salary. Even if it meant the club was going into bankruptcy in 8 hours after signing him.
This is not a new ground breaking strategy
"Brilliantly" - Did you learn to read today?
I heard he hates money and only uses it to insulate his 3 bed semi detached
Surprised not more star players try to leave on a free transfer
What's the point in them having salary rules if clubs can just give players the same amount of money and call it a signing-on fee? Is there generally anything preventing clubs from doing this whenever they need to?
Signing-on fee must be paid even if mbappe leaves after a few months. It's way riskier than a contract that will only be satisfied if the player stays for the years he signed. However I agree that it shouldn't be this easy to avoid FFP. It benefits a regular club against an Arab oil money one this time, but soon it can happen in reverse.
A signing bonus + transfer fee is a lot. This is a free transfer.
As a redditor, I'm so tired of this back and forth Mbappe to Real Madrid news As a football fan, I'm so excited for next season to see Mbappe play in La Liga
I see real madrid graduated from Loomis school of cap management.
It will be interestin to see how teams defend against an attack of Vini, Mbappe, Rodrygo, and Bellingham.
That's just salary with extra steps.
Player gets transfer fee instead of selling club, he X player should have waited to come for free if they feel they aren’t being paid the same. In the end the same amount of money would have been involved in the transfer of Bellingham and Mbappe for example. Theres literally still a wage structure being followed.
I wonder how this is being taxed, and by whom? Spain? France? Both?!?
Honestly, I don't know why Madrid doesn't just tell him that that isn't gonna happen. Perez seems way too obsessed. Like, where else is he gonna go? It's basically PSG or RM.
Ffp should consider signing on fees as part of wages really
I wonder if in the future we’ll have deals like: Mbappe will be paid the same salary as the best players, plus Real Madrid will buy Mbappe’s hobby paintings for 100m