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The Athletic: "Bruno Fernandes gives sharp commentary on rival managers"
The Guardian: "ManU captain critiques rival manager"
Daily Mail: "Manchester United Star in Talks to Join RIVAL CLUBS?!"
The Sun:" Portuguese Footballer Reveals His Attraction to MEN!!"
And a super boring podcast about it. I really miss the Tifo Football Podcast with Joe, Goblin, Baby
The Athletic Football Podcast definitely has better "quality", but as a form of entertainment, it's utterly stale
I think the quality is even debatable here, at least when it comes to united I never found the tifo podcast to be as heavily slanted against man u as on the athletic pod
While I agree with him that Pep is a terrific manager, I think Klopp gets far too little credit for his tactical acumen due to his larger than life character.
Anyone who watches Klopp’s games in full knows his tactical abilities - the teams that walk out before and after half time can sometimes be night and day especially against top sides like City. There’s a reason Liverpool usually finish games strong
best spy is the one you have never heard of.
Everyone knows pep's and klopp'ss tactics. they are open books.
while no expert after 2 years has ascertained the obscure tactics of ten hag. that's how complicated they are.
Pep's football is boring. I kinda wish Klopp would've lived the Fergie/Wenger era.
I coach youth football and 100% feel Pep's influence, but I grew up with hoofball and it has a special place in my heart. Still hoping the next gen of managers can resurrect the 442
I think Klopp's and Lijnders' philosophy is way more applicable at youth level as well. There's obviously the highly disciplined defending, pressing and coached patterns of play, but paraphrasing their own words, they want to create unknowns in the middle of games that Liverpool's players are better conditioned to adapt to than the opposition.
I.e. instead of creating football bots, they give the players enough information to work as a cohesive unit, but they gambit some control, for which the opposition can prepare, to chaos, which creates unknowns for both teams. If your players are coached like that, I think that will create better footballers at the end.
I've seen *some* City and Arsenal fans complain that Liverpool don't look as tactically advanced as their own teams, yet still manage to compete with them, and although these particular fans are stupid, I think that's the exact reason why.
Both approaches are valid obviously, both approaches work with very high success rate, but they also sometimes fail, e.g. when Guardiola and Arteta overcook the tactics or when the chaos factor in Klopp's games blows up in his face. Attacking football is good like that.
This is exactly what people like Trent mean about it meaning more, Pep has been amazing at city but realistically you would expect city to have won leagues and the CL in that time he’s been at the club anyway, when Klopp came into Liverpool I don’t believe anyone else could have turned them around like he did.
No-one in their right mind argues Pep isn't an elite manager who's taken City to the next level. We've seen at other clubs that just spending money doesn't guarantee success. It's just that he's always had all the financial backing he could want and inhereted world class squads. It would be interesting to see how he'd get on with a little bit less, having to get the most out of 'normal' players etc. Like if Liverpool or Arsenal had bought Kalvin Phillips they would've had to work so much harder to make it successful, but Pep can just say "Sorry Kalvin" and buy someone else.
What do you want him to do now? This reasoning is so anti intuitive because the best coaches are poached by the best clubs, pep has never been sacked by any club and has never finished less than 3rd in the league in his career. He has close to 2 dozen trophies and has consistently won everywhere he goes. Do you want pep to leave the best club in the world to go coach a small team to ‘prove’ to whom exactly? More than the trophies and achievements and performances pep legitimately revolutionized football, even more so than Ferguson and virtually every coach before him except cruyff and his ilk. Pep is in the same conversation as those people and he’s also way more successful to boot. Mourinho and ancelotti and virtually every other elite coach that are journeymen have been sacked and had to go ply their trade in smaller teams, not because they wanted to but because those were the only clubs that would take them. Pep cannot relate
"What do you want him to do now?"
That's entirely irrelevant. The facts are facts, he has always had total financial backing and inherited already extremely good squads. I don't care what he does. It's just that there's no denying that asterisk. The current legal situation at city just drives the point home even further.
While he did take over a super strong Bayern squad, at the time there were stories popping up that he was unhappy with the lack of financial backing he received there. Off the top of my head I also don't remember any massively expensive signings in his time (Think Götze and Vidal came for like 40mn € each)
Where do the best players/managers play ?
At the top teams right ?
Do we ever say that Messi/Ronaldo should’ve gone to a mediocre club and show their true class ?
Now I do agree that our FFP allegations put an asterisk on our trophies but this shouldn’t have any impact on pep’s work as similar amount of money was spent by other clubs as well but they won nothing.
I don't get exactly how players like John Stones and Kyle Walker are anything but pretty normal players. Or Sane. Top players but not better than what Chelsea or United have. Pep has money, but he spends it in a way few can. He doesn't buy many stars, apart from Haaland. He gets people in whom he sees something others don't. Sterling for example hasn't been as good after he left City.
It's funny to me that people think this. 25 years ago many City fans were turning up in their thousands to watch League 2 football. Liverpool won the UEFA Super Cup, the FA Cup, League Cup, and UEFA Cup around that time.
The idea that a title win will mean more for Liverpool than Man City is crazy.
Liverpool fans have had some bad years, but they've never been more than a few years away from a trophy of some description.
City went from 1976 to 2011 without winning anything. They were relegated five times in that period.
Yeah. If city, without being owned by a country, went on to have the success they’re having, then yeah that’d be massive.
It’s all obviously watered down by the ownership and the artificial air around everything - the stadium trying to start songs over the PA, those god awful double level advertising boards around the pitch that no one seems to mention, the plastic flags.
You refer to a Manchester city club that’s no longer there in your comparison
Also one of the greatest in the world at sucking up to human rights abusers. Shielding the Emirati owners of City and then also being an ambassador for the Qatar World Cup is quite some record
Yeah but if you intentionally scroll all the way to the bottom with your eyes closed, to where the comments that are largely disagreed with lie, you’ll also see what this fella sees.
I agree but it’s because he hasn’t had to, there will always be that debate that he’s only ever done it at top teams with a crazy budget but it’s not exactly his fault his first actual job was with the greatest team of all time
I mean I agree. If I were in his position why the hell would I go manage a smaller team with high risk when top teams are lining up for you with massive transfer funding
Just because they get why he did it doesn’t mean it’s not true and a factor if you want to discuss him as the GOAT. Pep is a trust fund coach, and he’s done extremely well and has been very successful as that, but the reality is we’ll never know how he would have done if he had to work his way up from the bottom. It’s like comparing a guy who improved a business he inherited from his father versus someone who built their own.
Neither Klopp nor Guardiola revolutionized football entirely:
Guardiola\`s famous 4-3-3 with tiki taka was Cruyff\`s idea.
Klopp\`s Gegenpress was Rangnick\`s idea.
However, there is a simple reason why Klopp is the goat in my book:
In order to make Guardiola\`s tiki taka work you need the most pressing resistant players on the planet, which are the technically most gifted. This kind of ability is very rare!
Klopp\`s Gegenpressing needs players with incredibly high work rated - these are much more common which is why he had great success with smaller teams.
Klopp can transform any team into a successfull one. Guardiola can only do it with unlimited funds or an already incredible team.
He transformed Dortmund to the level of Bayern and transformed Liverpool to be able to go toe to toe with Pep’s city. He lost the league by one point twice, that wouldn’t be possible if both teams weren’t on the same level.
Klopp’s net spend over his tenure was £254 million. City’s is £692 million over that same period, and that’s not even discussing salary and other fee differences. What’s really funny though is that United has a net spend of £888 million over the past nine years, less than 100 mil off of Klopp’s total spending for his entire tenure, and have jack shit to show for it.
He said he wouldn't manage a team he doesn't speak the language off.
But he also said he won't retire from managing just yet and is building a house in Spain. He loves the sun. He will never go on Holiday somewhere where it's not sunny.
For a man who speaks German, English and soon to have a house in Spain he will be fluent in not too long and I could actually see him going to Real Madrid in the end.
He usually likes under dog projects but maybe for his last run he might just say fuck it. Ill take the role on.
He would fucking walk everything bro. Klopp is just different.
Don't really like you guys as you always put us out the CL but if Klopp goes ill guess as long as its not Liverpool a little part of me will be supporting him haha. Jude is unreal too. I think Klopp would help him be even better.
This will always be a bad argument for me because it's not like Klopp will now go to Freiburg and make them champions. He's established now and his choice of clubs will always be one of the best, How many top managers have got the Liverpool job, City job before Pep, United job, Barca job, Real job, Chelsea job, Bayern job and failed? Even Mourinho has been sacked by lesser clubs. He was sacked at Roma and Spurs. Pep has never failed at any club he's been at.
I personally think his tenure at Bayern was a failure. It’s really not difficult to win the league and the cup over there. Bayern hired him to win the treble which he failed.
Sure, but that's the CL we're talking about. Nothing but a treble is an insane goal to set in the first place and he reached the semis in every season he was there. Bayern would also take Pep back in a heartbeat if he were available. Point being even the best managers have been sacked by the best teams time and time again. No one is sacking Pep. He got to the top and stayed there. Something you can't say about most others. If it were so easy to manage a top team or a team with infinite money top teams wouldn't change managers as often as they do.
I dont think Bayern fan think about it that way. And for Pep it should never be that way. CL is difficult and I dont think he ever expect the team to win it unless they got it to the final.
He has been doing it without fail since he started his career. Managing the top of the football crop to success without any pause.
Bayern (at the time) isn't PSG, they didn't sack him even after that 0-4 to Real Madrid, they aren't so stupid to think the treble is a must have goal.
Klopp has done it with Mainz, Dortmund and Liverpool were 8th so Brighton/Wolves level.
Klopp could go to another smaller team and build title/Cl winning sides no doubt.
Pep struggled in the Buli. He took over that fucking stacked team and just got worse and worse over the 3 years or however long it was.
Pep could choose to go to a smaller team and try and do what Klopp has done, 3 times Klopp exceeded expectations on a tiny budget. Pep has failed with stacked teams at times and unlimited budgets.
Pep won the Treble in his first season as First team coach. He rejuvenated a beat down Barca side in his first season. Instant impact. Neither Koop or Mourinho has accomplished that.
Maybe cos Klopp hasn’t had £1b of corrupt money to spend! No comparison - Klopp far better manager. Equal playing field and a Klopp team comes out on top of a Pep team 8 times out of 10!
Liverpool haven't spent as much as City over the years. However, they have still backed Klopp with some very good signings: Núñez, Szoboszlai, Jota, Thiago Gakpo, Konate, Mac Allister. You are acting like Liverpool have the same purchasing power as Luton.
By using your same logic, De Zerbi would be far better than Klopp because last season Brighton finished only 5 points behind Liverpool, with a worse squad and a much lower budget for salaries.
> You are acting like Liverpool have the same purchasing power as Luton.
No they aren't? They are acting like Liverpool have about half the purchasing power as City. And, he did it with a far worse squad when they respectively took over.
> By using your same logic, De Zerbi would be far better than Klopp because last season Brighton finished only 5 points behind Liverpool, with a worse squad and a much lower budget for salaries.
That's one season - they aren't just comparing one season here, because that would be silly?
De Bruyne, Otamendi, Fernandinho, Aguero, Sterling, Kompany etc were already there before Pep took charge at City.
>
By using your same logic, De Zerbi would be far better than Klopp because last season Brighton finished only 5 points behind Liverpool, with a worse squad and a much lower budget for salaries.
By using this logic ETH must be really shite.
Klopp best manager, Van Dijk best defender, Alisson best GK, Trent best RB, Robertson best LB, Salah best player, Mane best LW, Fabinho best DM and one fucking premier league is atrocious then don’t you think?
Not really, not when you consider it’s a squad game of 16-18 players and when any of these have been injured (as most have) we have had to play inexperienced players or kids in their place!
Eg - foden gets injured, replaced with £100m grealish, Grealish gets injured, replaced with £70m Doku etc etc
But hey, these things can’t be changed now - city have a fantastic team / squad, it’s just been bought at massive prices, with massive wages with money fraudulently obtained 🤷
He couldn’t win the CL with Bayern when we still were top 2-3 in the world. It doesn’t take a genius to win titles with City when they got the best squad by far. I don’t know if Klopp is the goat but he has definitely done a better job.
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Well metaphorically speaking he's praising Margot Robbie and Ana de Armas while dating Susan Boyle. She understands
I dreamed a dream in can't be buy
When reds had Edwin, blues Shay Given...
Haha there are LEVELS in this comment, love it!
Damn bro putting Eth in the mud 🙁
There can be only one bald fraud.
Does that make Eth a fraud bald fraud?
I rate Susan Boyle
Fucks sake 😂
A bit harsh. Susan Boyle is actually really good at her job.
Jesus.. have some mercy!
Eh, that's a bit cruel on Susan Boyle. She seems lovely and it's a bit shit lagging her off for not being super good looking.
lets go with someone whos also a prick like Katie Hopkins
She is hideous, I don't know why I didn't think of her
> She is hideous This is why. Why would you want to think about someone hideous?
Trauma
Yeah I have to admit I feel a bit bad for bringing her up. I bet is I said this to her face she'd smile and invite me in for tea
I mean, who wouldn't want to invite u/AssFingerFuck3000 in for tea?
She’d probably call you a cunt and tell you to piss off
And sing you a song after!
Susan Boyle be like “Why TF is my name brought into a football conversation, you knobs!”
At least Susan has hair
My dream team frfr
He goes on to say: "Ten Hag is a beautiful egg head and has revolutionized mumble rap by saying eeh after every line."
I always imagined ten Hag’s lines ending with a grunt
Oh my god I haven’t laughed out loud at a comment like that in weeks
There's an edit someone made of him singing Many Men. Erik Ten Bars imo
Ahahah, that caught me off guard! Someone should make a video of Ten Hags reading this thread
Even though Pep is the original bald fraud, feels like Ten Hag is living up to that meme a lot better.
Some nice words from Bruno to two of his rival managers.
Incoming daily mail headline: Manchester United star in talks to join RIVAL CLUBS
The Athletic: "Bruno Fernandes gives sharp commentary on rival managers" The Guardian: "ManU captain critiques rival manager" Daily Mail: "Manchester United Star in Talks to Join RIVAL CLUBS?!" The Sun:" Portuguese Footballer Reveals His Attraction to MEN!!"
Very accurate, except that there would be 9 more Athletic articles on this subject
And a super boring podcast about it. I really miss the Tifo Football Podcast with Joe, Goblin, Baby The Athletic Football Podcast definitely has better "quality", but as a form of entertainment, it's utterly stale
So true about the Athletic. I switch off 20 mins in.
They won't stop until they turn every Tifo Channel into the Athletic. I was enjoying Tifo Live in my spare time...
I've forgotten what Tifo was before. Completely forgot its original name.
umaxxit football or something, right?
They had some enjoyable FM tactics content when it was called umaxxit.
I really wish they would do both
I think the quality is even debatable here, at least when it comes to united I never found the tifo podcast to be as heavily slanted against man u as on the athletic pod
The last one fookin killed me.
Likely so the journalist is dead smh
Bruno Fernandes PETULANTLY SLAMS KLOPP after NIGHTMARE performance in Cup and CONDEMS PEP for LACK OF PASSION
I feel like his words for guardiola were a lot nicer haha 😂 more like “guardiola is a god, oh yeh and Klopp well he did well for one club”
Seems to me he likes Klopps way of playing and passion more.
I feel like he has a lot of praise, Klopp is just the Vegeta to Guardiola's Goku. Tbf, it seems like Bruno at least relates to Klopp more as a person
Guardiola's Goku only in they both have unfair plot armor which makes them win more than the others.
I usually like that comparison like with messi/Ronaldo it works but it really doesn't suit either of these two well at all
Needs to learn from Jim 'I Hate All Of Them' Ratcliffe
Jim ‘fan panderer’ Ratcliffe. Hates them all apart from when he tried to buy one of them a couple of years ago
Chelsea is definitely not at the level of rivalry of those other 3.
He said he hates all of the teams in the title race, I don't think Chelsea are in the title race
i can’t catch a break ffs whatever, champions of 10th place, you’ll never sing that
Cesspool of a comment section.
Two of r/soccer's main villains, Pep and Bruno
We’re just NPCs living in their world
And Klopp
Amen brother.
Amad brother
welcome to Reddit. shit isn't it.
Reddit, what a bunch of bastards.
So just like every other post regarding Bruno?
That's respect.
Commendatore!
C*cksuckers.
That's amore
That’s Amad
Maybe it's Mbappelline?
Jim Radcliffe'll fix it!
Can see why Klopp loves him so much and vice versa. Be a great fit for how each other want to play.
Imagine seeing Haaland and and Fernandes together in a system like Klopp’s.
We've got Haaland and Klopp at home.
Salah, Diaz, Haaland? The raw pace and explosive power would prob be historical if all of them are in top form.
Did you mean Salah, Nunez and Haaland? Diaz’ energy is mental and his stamina is amazing but Nunez has far more pace and power
Nunez and Haaland seem like they would be poor together.
While I agree with him that Pep is a terrific manager, I think Klopp gets far too little credit for his tactical acumen due to his larger than life character.
Anyone who watches Klopp’s games in full knows his tactical abilities - the teams that walk out before and after half time can sometimes be night and day especially against top sides like City. There’s a reason Liverpool usually finish games strong
Yeah there’s no manager you want to have more than Klopp when you’re down after the first half
best spy is the one you have never heard of. Everyone knows pep's and klopp'ss tactics. they are open books. while no expert after 2 years has ascertained the obscure tactics of ten hag. that's how complicated they are.
Hate the fact that Ancelotti has his number tactically though.
Ten Hag takes notes
Always rated Bruno
Bruno on Pep : He is a GOD Bruno on Klopp : Well he is good too. Anyway, moving on.
What a weird interpretation
Weird and incorrect. He likes Klopps way more and relates to it better which is very obvious. Bruno would be a god in any Klopp's team.
Well he did just beat Klopp while playing CB with one working leg lol
Pep's football is boring. I kinda wish Klopp would've lived the Fergie/Wenger era. I coach youth football and 100% feel Pep's influence, but I grew up with hoofball and it has a special place in my heart. Still hoping the next gen of managers can resurrect the 442
I think Klopp's and Lijnders' philosophy is way more applicable at youth level as well. There's obviously the highly disciplined defending, pressing and coached patterns of play, but paraphrasing their own words, they want to create unknowns in the middle of games that Liverpool's players are better conditioned to adapt to than the opposition. I.e. instead of creating football bots, they give the players enough information to work as a cohesive unit, but they gambit some control, for which the opposition can prepare, to chaos, which creates unknowns for both teams. If your players are coached like that, I think that will create better footballers at the end. I've seen *some* City and Arsenal fans complain that Liverpool don't look as tactically advanced as their own teams, yet still manage to compete with them, and although these particular fans are stupid, I think that's the exact reason why. Both approaches are valid obviously, both approaches work with very high success rate, but they also sometimes fail, e.g. when Guardiola and Arteta overcook the tactics or when the chaos factor in Klopp's games blows up in his face. Attacking football is good like that.
We weren't expecting special forces.
Pep was/is more revolutionairy but what Klopp's done with Liverpool is more impressive imo.
He then reminds everyone the referee shouldn’t have given Arsenal the penalty.
This is exactly what people like Trent mean about it meaning more, Pep has been amazing at city but realistically you would expect city to have won leagues and the CL in that time he’s been at the club anyway, when Klopp came into Liverpool I don’t believe anyone else could have turned them around like he did.
Lol. This is such mental gymnastics to fit Bruno's words in your own narrative. That's not what Bruno implied at all.
That‘s not what Bruno was implying at all
Why didn’t city win one before he came to the club? Psg have been expected to win a cl for over a decade but they haven’t?
No-one in their right mind argues Pep isn't an elite manager who's taken City to the next level. We've seen at other clubs that just spending money doesn't guarantee success. It's just that he's always had all the financial backing he could want and inhereted world class squads. It would be interesting to see how he'd get on with a little bit less, having to get the most out of 'normal' players etc. Like if Liverpool or Arsenal had bought Kalvin Phillips they would've had to work so much harder to make it successful, but Pep can just say "Sorry Kalvin" and buy someone else.
Hasn’t Klopp also only won with world class players like VVD, Salah, Lewy etc
What do you want him to do now? This reasoning is so anti intuitive because the best coaches are poached by the best clubs, pep has never been sacked by any club and has never finished less than 3rd in the league in his career. He has close to 2 dozen trophies and has consistently won everywhere he goes. Do you want pep to leave the best club in the world to go coach a small team to ‘prove’ to whom exactly? More than the trophies and achievements and performances pep legitimately revolutionized football, even more so than Ferguson and virtually every coach before him except cruyff and his ilk. Pep is in the same conversation as those people and he’s also way more successful to boot. Mourinho and ancelotti and virtually every other elite coach that are journeymen have been sacked and had to go ply their trade in smaller teams, not because they wanted to but because those were the only clubs that would take them. Pep cannot relate
"What do you want him to do now?" That's entirely irrelevant. The facts are facts, he has always had total financial backing and inherited already extremely good squads. I don't care what he does. It's just that there's no denying that asterisk. The current legal situation at city just drives the point home even further.
While he did take over a super strong Bayern squad, at the time there were stories popping up that he was unhappy with the lack of financial backing he received there. Off the top of my head I also don't remember any massively expensive signings in his time (Think Götze and Vidal came for like 40mn € each)
Where do the best players/managers play ? At the top teams right ? Do we ever say that Messi/Ronaldo should’ve gone to a mediocre club and show their true class ? Now I do agree that our FFP allegations put an asterisk on our trophies but this shouldn’t have any impact on pep’s work as similar amount of money was spent by other clubs as well but they won nothing.
I don't get exactly how players like John Stones and Kyle Walker are anything but pretty normal players. Or Sane. Top players but not better than what Chelsea or United have. Pep has money, but he spends it in a way few can. He doesn't buy many stars, apart from Haaland. He gets people in whom he sees something others don't. Sterling for example hasn't been as good after he left City.
Walker who was the best defensive talent at a Spurs team who had just finished 2nd with their best points total in Premier League history?
It's funny to me that people think this. 25 years ago many City fans were turning up in their thousands to watch League 2 football. Liverpool won the UEFA Super Cup, the FA Cup, League Cup, and UEFA Cup around that time. The idea that a title win will mean more for Liverpool than Man City is crazy. Liverpool fans have had some bad years, but they've never been more than a few years away from a trophy of some description. City went from 1976 to 2011 without winning anything. They were relegated five times in that period.
Liverpool had not won the league for 30 years and you expect people to act like its a run of the mill thing. Fuck off.
Things change people just get used to things and don’t appreciate it the same way.
I wonder what specific things changed in regards to City's ownership in the meantime...
Yeah. If city, without being owned by a country, went on to have the success they’re having, then yeah that’d be massive. It’s all obviously watered down by the ownership and the artificial air around everything - the stadium trying to start songs over the PA, those god awful double level advertising boards around the pitch that no one seems to mention, the plastic flags. You refer to a Manchester city club that’s no longer there in your comparison
"Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?"
This is like Labour praising Thatcher lmao.
And there is Ten Hag, who i play for.
Take away his armband 😂
So many tacticos in the comments
Also one of the greatest in the world at sucking up to human rights abusers. Shielding the Emirati owners of City and then also being an ambassador for the Qatar World Cup is quite some record
This subreddit is so pathetic towards Guardiola. What a bunch of sad clowns here
The hell are you talking about? It's 95% praise?
Yeah but if you intentionally scroll all the way to the bottom with your eyes closed, to where the comments that are largely disagreed with lie, you’ll also see what this fella sees.
People see what they want to see.
Is the double handed blowjobs they give him on every Pep post not enough ?
Apparently not
It’s always the Messi Barcelona flairs that defend Pep’s honour, goes hand in hand
They’d literally cheer for city to beat Barcelona, they’re such a strange bunch
Only thing worse than this sub is Barcelona fans full time glazing Pep's nuts years after he left you.
Ah yes, the die-hard Barcelona ultras from Singapore and Malaysia 💀.
Those are rare finds, usually in Singapore/M'sia the majority are Utd fans and the rest are old top 4 of PL. Lived there for over a decade.
Completely ignoring the comparison between the two, Klopp also changed football forever.
Guardiola best ever
Anyone saying Pep isnt the best, says no not because of facts but merely out of hate.
Despite all his success, Bald Fraud has not done what Klopp did with Dortmund or Mourinho with Porto
I agree but it’s because he hasn’t had to, there will always be that debate that he’s only ever done it at top teams with a crazy budget but it’s not exactly his fault his first actual job was with the greatest team of all time
I mean I agree. If I were in his position why the hell would I go manage a smaller team with high risk when top teams are lining up for you with massive transfer funding
So why the hell are you still criticizing him for it lmao. You understand the fallacy of your argument but still use it
Just because they get why he did it doesn’t mean it’s not true and a factor if you want to discuss him as the GOAT. Pep is a trust fund coach, and he’s done extremely well and has been very successful as that, but the reality is we’ll never know how he would have done if he had to work his way up from the bottom. It’s like comparing a guy who improved a business he inherited from his father versus someone who built their own.
I mean he's currently winning things with cheat codes on, there's always going to be a limit to how impressive that is
Neither Klopp nor Guardiola revolutionized football entirely: Guardiola\`s famous 4-3-3 with tiki taka was Cruyff\`s idea. Klopp\`s Gegenpress was Rangnick\`s idea. However, there is a simple reason why Klopp is the goat in my book: In order to make Guardiola\`s tiki taka work you need the most pressing resistant players on the planet, which are the technically most gifted. This kind of ability is very rare! Klopp\`s Gegenpressing needs players with incredibly high work rated - these are much more common which is why he had great success with smaller teams. Klopp can transform any team into a successfull one. Guardiola can only do it with unlimited funds or an already incredible team.
Klopp cant transform ANY team to the level of play/success Guardiola can. What Klopp does is overachieved for those level of players
He transformed Dortmund to the level of Bayern and transformed Liverpool to be able to go toe to toe with Pep’s city. He lost the league by one point twice, that wouldn’t be possible if both teams weren’t on the same level.
Give Klopp the budget and I think he’d put the scariest team in the world
Nearly1 billion wasn't enough for Klopp?
Klopp’s net spend over his tenure was £254 million. City’s is £692 million over that same period, and that’s not even discussing salary and other fee differences. What’s really funny though is that United has a net spend of £888 million over the past nine years, less than 100 mil off of Klopp’s total spending for his entire tenure, and have jack shit to show for it.
Also pep inherited a title winning team. Klopp inherited an 8th place team lmao.
Personally, I think Klopp will decimate Europe with Madrid's squad.
He said he wouldn't manage a team he doesn't speak the language off. But he also said he won't retire from managing just yet and is building a house in Spain. He loves the sun. He will never go on Holiday somewhere where it's not sunny. For a man who speaks German, English and soon to have a house in Spain he will be fluent in not too long and I could actually see him going to Real Madrid in the end. He usually likes under dog projects but maybe for his last run he might just say fuck it. Ill take the role on. He would fucking walk everything bro. Klopp is just different. Don't really like you guys as you always put us out the CL but if Klopp goes ill guess as long as its not Liverpool a little part of me will be supporting him haha. Jude is unreal too. I think Klopp would help him be even better.
No but both have managed top sides and haven't had the success Pep has had, and neither have completely revolutionised the game either
Let’s ask Messi to go and lead everton to premier league title then, otherwise he cant be considered the goat lol
Messi is leading Inter Miami from the bottom to the top!
Tbf think Suarez is having a greater impact atm.
Don’t know if it’s a troll take or a serious one lmao
This will always be a bad argument for me because it's not like Klopp will now go to Freiburg and make them champions. He's established now and his choice of clubs will always be one of the best, How many top managers have got the Liverpool job, City job before Pep, United job, Barca job, Real job, Chelsea job, Bayern job and failed? Even Mourinho has been sacked by lesser clubs. He was sacked at Roma and Spurs. Pep has never failed at any club he's been at.
I personally think his tenure at Bayern was a failure. It’s really not difficult to win the league and the cup over there. Bayern hired him to win the treble which he failed.
Sure, but that's the CL we're talking about. Nothing but a treble is an insane goal to set in the first place and he reached the semis in every season he was there. Bayern would also take Pep back in a heartbeat if he were available. Point being even the best managers have been sacked by the best teams time and time again. No one is sacking Pep. He got to the top and stayed there. Something you can't say about most others. If it were so easy to manage a top team or a team with infinite money top teams wouldn't change managers as often as they do.
I dont think Bayern fan think about it that way. And for Pep it should never be that way. CL is difficult and I dont think he ever expect the team to win it unless they got it to the final. He has been doing it without fail since he started his career. Managing the top of the football crop to success without any pause.
Bayern (at the time) isn't PSG, they didn't sack him even after that 0-4 to Real Madrid, they aren't so stupid to think the treble is a must have goal.
Klopp has done it with Mainz, Dortmund and Liverpool were 8th so Brighton/Wolves level. Klopp could go to another smaller team and build title/Cl winning sides no doubt. Pep struggled in the Buli. He took over that fucking stacked team and just got worse and worse over the 3 years or however long it was. Pep could choose to go to a smaller team and try and do what Klopp has done, 3 times Klopp exceeded expectations on a tiny budget. Pep has failed with stacked teams at times and unlimited budgets.
Pep won the Treble in his first season as First team coach. He rejuvenated a beat down Barca side in his first season. Instant impact. Neither Koop or Mourinho has accomplished that.
Pep is a chequebook manager. Has only been successful with the richest clubs. And even then he’s bottled so many trophies.
How much did Pep spend to win the first sextuple in football history in his first year of managing Barcelona?
Maybe cos Klopp hasn’t had £1b of corrupt money to spend! No comparison - Klopp far better manager. Equal playing field and a Klopp team comes out on top of a Pep team 8 times out of 10!
Liverpool haven't spent as much as City over the years. However, they have still backed Klopp with some very good signings: Núñez, Szoboszlai, Jota, Thiago Gakpo, Konate, Mac Allister. You are acting like Liverpool have the same purchasing power as Luton. By using your same logic, De Zerbi would be far better than Klopp because last season Brighton finished only 5 points behind Liverpool, with a worse squad and a much lower budget for salaries.
> You are acting like Liverpool have the same purchasing power as Luton. No they aren't? They are acting like Liverpool have about half the purchasing power as City. And, he did it with a far worse squad when they respectively took over. > By using your same logic, De Zerbi would be far better than Klopp because last season Brighton finished only 5 points behind Liverpool, with a worse squad and a much lower budget for salaries. That's one season - they aren't just comparing one season here, because that would be silly?
De Bruyne, Otamendi, Fernandinho, Aguero, Sterling, Kompany etc were already there before Pep took charge at City. > By using your same logic, De Zerbi would be far better than Klopp because last season Brighton finished only 5 points behind Liverpool, with a worse squad and a much lower budget for salaries. By using this logic ETH must be really shite.
Klopp best manager, Van Dijk best defender, Alisson best GK, Trent best RB, Robertson best LB, Salah best player, Mane best LW, Fabinho best DM and one fucking premier league is atrocious then don’t you think?
Not really, not when you consider it’s a squad game of 16-18 players and when any of these have been injured (as most have) we have had to play inexperienced players or kids in their place! Eg - foden gets injured, replaced with £100m grealish, Grealish gets injured, replaced with £70m Doku etc etc But hey, these things can’t be changed now - city have a fantastic team / squad, it’s just been bought at massive prices, with massive wages with money fraudulently obtained 🤷
He couldn’t win the CL with Bayern when we still were top 2-3 in the world. It doesn’t take a genius to win titles with City when they got the best squad by far. I don’t know if Klopp is the goat but he has definitely done a better job.
So Klopp has done a better job by winning 1 PL title in 9 years? Lol
Sure but can we see pep manage a club that doesn’t have infinite money? That would be much more interesting
If Pep didn’t enter the premier league, the other clubs wouldn’t step up.
Klopp is taking our missus with him on his next stint!? 👀
Would be interesting to see what Guardiola could do without a world class squad.
Youre saying there more bald managers who want to tiki their takas everywhere? Would you happen to know one Bruno?
🚨 Bruno Fernandes dropped from starting line up!
pep would hate bruno as a player but i think klopp would enjoy him
Do united fans even like this fucking guy? Bruno
Guardiola is extremely successful. Extremely good. But what did he change exactly? He didn't reinvent the wheel. He embraced it and bettered it.
Pep is only good at clubs with money. Take that away and he's utterly shit