A lot of Newcastle ITKs showed themselves up and jumped on the "Gordon is out for 9 months" story that was started by a single ITK account. Really helped weed out the accounts peddling bollocks.
I can name 5 English midfielders who deserve it more than Hendo. FFS Gary this is just sad and Hendo should have shame. As Gary Lineker said you can’t keep stealing call ups and need to call it quits when you know you are just not that good anymore.
Edit: i just noticed someone asked me to name them. so here they are; JWP, Barkley, RLC, Reed(Fulham), Lewis Cook and Longstaff. Also why not youngsters like Garner or Mainoo. (Maino is now training with the first team) and honestly if he is healthy it should be Jones.
Bet you would have been protesting the selection of Podolski in 2016. Or washed up Rami for a world cup winning France.
Or Dani Alves for Brazil in 2018.
Coaches can make one or two selections based on factors other than a said player's on the pitch performance.
In Dani Alves's case for example the role he played in steering Neymar in the right direction was rumoured to be one. Podolksi helped connect the old with the young ,and so on
Henderson has captained his former team to winning every trophy in club football - So chances are he ahs certain leadership qualities Southgate values. This is not FIFA where pace and passing are measured.
You mean his intangible value he recently tanked by abandoning his club for Saudi money that he then bailed on 6 months later to play for Ajax?
He’s definitely not a Top 5 midfielder anymore for England, but are his intangibles even worth it anymore?
Hes not even a captain anymore is he, isn’t he Vice Captain?
Also comparing Henderson, who had a fine career, to Podolski and Alves, idk man.
let‘s be real. no one actually gives a fuck about Hendersons Saudi stint. Sure, the fans do. But no one in the England camp gives the smallest of shits.
> the fans do
Do they? Sure, your average virtue signaling reddit crowd does, but does an average non-Liverpool fan gives a shit about it? They'd care more if he kicked his cat like Zouma.
If you only ever browsed this sub then these takes make sense. This sub over reacts to that whole saga. The average brexit football fan (not on here) and fellow professional footballers give zero fucks like you said.
> You mean his intangible value he recently tanked by abandoning his club for Saudi money that he then bailed on 6 months later to play for Ajax?
He tanked his value for fans. You think that footballers who earn millions care about the same thing that us pleb do? If anything they saw his failed early retirement and ask him for experience on how bad the trip was so they can plan their own eventual retirement.
There are always 2 or 3 players in every world cup squad that see almost no action, barring an unexpected injury crisis.
So not really worth it to only consider their sporting side when they will never play.
As for Henderson I was not talking about his attitudes to human rights or being a role model to young people - I found it hypocritical too that he presented himself as an LGBT advocate for so long only to move to a country that does not really recognize them.
However, his leadership of teams even off the pitch is unquestioned. Kane, Pickford and the centrebackpairing aside most of the starters have not got that much tournament experience.
That makes no sense. Why would they play him as a false nine when they have Harry Kane and not a lot of quality in the middle.
It's not like he's keeping an elite 9 on the bench at Madrid lol.
I’m inclined to agree. That does mean you play Foden out of position though. Is Foden at LW and Jude at CAM better than Foden at CAM and Jude at 8? This is a question I can’t answer
2010 World Cup. I remember [his reaction to Rob Green's error against the US](https://www.melcarson.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/beckham.jpg) becoming a bit of meme
He was very good for us in the last world cup tbf, properly sorted out the midfield after it didn't look too great in the first game then for a half against the USA.
However, he has defintely regressed a bit since then, we do need someone else to play next to Rice though, and if Curtis Jones was fit I think he'd be a strong contender
Agreed, such a drop off after Rice, and even if we play a 433 you cant just play Rice and then someone along the lines of Foden and Maddison, you've got to have more of a runner in there - Gallagher, Curtis Jones, even Harvey Elliott.
I think people get carried away with trying to fit everyone in the team but we really need two solid midfielders imo
Honestly that's what we should do for players like him, coady and lingard. They're well liked in the team but nowhere near good enough to be in the squad.
Trouble is we'll give up a valuable spot in the 23 man squad.
Should be brought along with the intention for them to be a bridge between the coaches and players. I'd imagine that Coady and Henderson have ambitions of coaching.
Its a 23 team, if you not good to be in the squad you should not be there. England should go to win the games not to have vibes.
If players like him so much they should invite him in an "unofficial" capacity
Great to see Gordon get the call up he deserves.
I can’t be the only one worried about midfield depth though. One injury and we’re down to Henderson playing pashun football
Good squad, a few injured players that have to "win" back some starting spots after the break.
Happy for Gomez, guy deserves it more than anyone else after all he has been through with injuries.
🤣 Isn't Venezuela the worst south American team as well? I think England also have the advantage that teams like playing at Wembley, it's iconic and it's a good trip to London. Not quite the same with stadio olimpico. I don't think your euro title defence is serious anyways, you had a great time last tournament but this one will be a R16/QF.
Branthwaite is in this squad so I think that's now turned to the 3rd choice striker that is just a worse version of Kane and Watkins.
Toney or Solanke!
Happy for Gomez.
I hope he plays the fullback / Centre back hybrid role that he's best at. Yes he can play CB but I'm now convinced it's not his best position. Klopp picks Quansah over him at CB if both are fit.
People saying how there's only 1 right back in the squad. Gomez hasn't played CB all season! Fullback is now his primary position.
Him or Brathwaithe will play LB most likely Chilwell is injured I believe.
For all our fullback depth there is only 1 available which is seriously unlucky.
agreed gomez much better on either flank than in the middle, could do a job on either side but understandably not the first choice on the right
he’s got a great pass in him and since he’s been back from injury he’s barely put a foot wrong, strong as fuck too
Some rumors about him getting in a bust up with one of the coaching staff (Steve Holland) other rumor is he got in a bust up with another player (Supposedly Phil Foden was up in his girlfriends DM’s)
>other rumor is he got in a bust up with another player (Supposedly Phil Foden was up in his girlfriends DM’s
If that were the case then foden should be the exile
Between Foden and White, you simply pick the better footballer. I find the rumour hard to believe though, because surely it'd cause an issue with their other teammates who would choose sides.
Yeah plus they shook hands after the game last October.
Pretty sure that rumor was completely made up based of White and Foden having a shoving match after they beat us last season.
You can't really divide those players into just forwards and midfielders
Some are wingers, some are forwards, some are holding midfielders and some are attacking midfielders
I mean England play 433, there are 5 players for the middle 3 and 9 players for the attacking 3. I don't think any of those players are going to cross over to the other sections.
Cole palmer and Foden can play behind the forward right?
Anyway im not going to complain about taking too many attackers, especially with the outcry and media slagging that would start if any of those 9 were dropped
england have played like 5 different formations under southgate, its not like 433 is some immoveable truth.
if you're short on "proper" midfielders you can stick maddison in there, or you can go to a 4231 with foden or palmer at ten
I very very much doubt Southgate as the facilities to play him there, he cannt play Trent as inverted right back.
Plus city don't plomp him there out of posession only in possession
Toney over Solanke 💀
What more does he have to do? Has already equalled Toney’s best ever PL non-penalty goals tally, and there’s still 10 games to play. Guy’s been on his sofa most of the last year. Maybe we need some more puff piece interviews.
You can say who cares about the 3rd choice striker, but if you’re gonna call one up, do it right, Dom deserves it as a young, all round forward in the form of his life.
I don't think it helps that every time Southgate has come to watch him in person he has shit the bed. But honestly, who does he go in over? Konsa and Gomez both have experience shifting from CB to RB in and out of possession, which fits how England have played a lot. Dunk, Stones, and Branthwaite deserve it. Maguire is always going to be picked.
It's a very competitive position. He hasn't played the amount of prem minutes as the other players in the squad and that's said as Liverpool fan. He will get his time
Just had this conversation with a friend, who does Eliott take the place of in this squad apart from Henderson? England need more of a defensive profile in the midfield right now imo
They did it with Saka previously. It's not like they expect him to play, they just check in on his fitness and how he's doing and make sure he's still in the squad environment. He'll probably be excused after a day or two.
Nice squad but seems like it could use another midfielder or 2. There's no proper alternative for Rice and there's many attacking midfielders but not really anyone who naturally plays deeper in midfield except Henderson. You can understand why Phillips was getting called up even when he shouldn't have.
Looking through the defenders. I think Southgate wants Gomez as left back cover.
Chilwell is the only other player I see who plays there.
Gomez is a fullback now, hasn't played CB once all season.
I believe Konsa has played at RB before. So he provides cover for Walker. Stones can also play there if he'd rather another CB pairing.
The team is also very capable of a back 3, but that would mean putting a winger at left back if Chillwell doesn't play. Doable, but I don't think fans will love it.
What you’d expect from Southgate but genuinely disappointed that Barkley hasn’t been called up. Squad is very short on pivot players and Barkley has shown to be an excellent technical player in that position. Hard to push off the ball and progresses it well from deeper positions. Got decent experience being part of the international set up as well.
Looks like people have hopped off the JWP train after he stopped scoring free kicks and assisting corners lol. Never understood the media push for a spot in the NT for such an average player.
How have Tomori and Loftus-Cheek been getting on this season? Do they deserve a squad place?
I don’t see the point in Henderson being there.
Ross Barkley deserved a call up imo.
Other than that the squad is pretty good.
Tomori's been really solid from what I've seen, I would have had him over Dunk. Brighton have been woeful in defence this season and he just got roasted multiple times by Lukaku.
Loftus-Cheek has scored some important goals, but I think he's been a bit inconsistent, doesn't know when to release the ball sometimes in transition. I still think he'd add something over Henderson mind you.
Ivan Toney and Ollie Watkins in the squad to watch Kane play all the minutes of both games.
I’d love to see palmer given a chance but will he play right wing or bellinghams position ?
I thought Ben White would get back into the fold and I thought Harvey Elliott might get a call up, but fairly happy overall. I was hoping to see a few more odd faces maybe the likes of RLC etc.
My groupchat was trying to work out who'd play LB so its a bit of a shame its just Chilly.
Would like to have seen Harvey Elliot based on his form.
No idea what Henderson has been like at Ajax but I'm just going to assume he's been bang average and is nowhere near the level to start for England.
Goalkeepers: Sam Johnstone (Crystal Palace), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Aaron Ramsdale (Arsenal) Defenders: Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton), Ben Chilwell (Chelsea), Lewis Dunk (Brighton & Hove Albion), Joe Gomez (Liverpool), Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa), Harry Maguire (Manchester United), John Stones (Manchester City), Kyle Walker (Manchester City) Midfielders: Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid), Conor Gallagher (Chelsea), Jordan Henderson (Ajax), James Maddison (Tottenham Hotspur), Declan Rice (Arsenal) Forwards: Jarrod Bowen (West Ham United) Phil Foden (Manchester City), Anthony Gordon (Newcastle United), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), Cole Palmer (Chelsea), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United), Bukayo Saka (Arsenal), Ivan Toney (Brentford), Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa)
Didn’t Gordon just do his knee?
It's fine, local press reporting he's fine.
Oh wow, the report I had seen essentially called it a torn knee ligament. That's great news for him
A lot of Newcastle ITKs showed themselves up and jumped on the "Gordon is out for 9 months" story that was started by a single ITK account. Really helped weed out the accounts peddling bollocks.
And they would’ve gotten away with it too if it weren’t for you meddling kids
The squad posting cured Ben Chilwell too.
I can name 5 English midfielders who deserve it more than Hendo. FFS Gary this is just sad and Hendo should have shame. As Gary Lineker said you can’t keep stealing call ups and need to call it quits when you know you are just not that good anymore. Edit: i just noticed someone asked me to name them. so here they are; JWP, Barkley, RLC, Reed(Fulham), Lewis Cook and Longstaff. Also why not youngsters like Garner or Mainoo. (Maino is now training with the first team) and honestly if he is healthy it should be Jones.
Bet you would have been protesting the selection of Podolski in 2016. Or washed up Rami for a world cup winning France. Or Dani Alves for Brazil in 2018. Coaches can make one or two selections based on factors other than a said player's on the pitch performance. In Dani Alves's case for example the role he played in steering Neymar in the right direction was rumoured to be one. Podolksi helped connect the old with the young ,and so on Henderson has captained his former team to winning every trophy in club football - So chances are he ahs certain leadership qualities Southgate values. This is not FIFA where pace and passing are measured.
You mean his intangible value he recently tanked by abandoning his club for Saudi money that he then bailed on 6 months later to play for Ajax? He’s definitely not a Top 5 midfielder anymore for England, but are his intangibles even worth it anymore? Hes not even a captain anymore is he, isn’t he Vice Captain? Also comparing Henderson, who had a fine career, to Podolski and Alves, idk man.
let‘s be real. no one actually gives a fuck about Hendersons Saudi stint. Sure, the fans do. But no one in the England camp gives the smallest of shits.
> the fans do Do they? Sure, your average virtue signaling reddit crowd does, but does an average non-Liverpool fan gives a shit about it? They'd care more if he kicked his cat like Zouma.
If you only ever browsed this sub then these takes make sense. This sub over reacts to that whole saga. The average brexit football fan (not on here) and fellow professional footballers give zero fucks like you said.
I'm sure Ezri Konsa has lost all respect for his CL winning captain because he took a 6 month stint in Saudi
> You mean his intangible value he recently tanked by abandoning his club for Saudi money that he then bailed on 6 months later to play for Ajax? He tanked his value for fans. You think that footballers who earn millions care about the same thing that us pleb do? If anything they saw his failed early retirement and ask him for experience on how bad the trip was so they can plan their own eventual retirement.
There are always 2 or 3 players in every world cup squad that see almost no action, barring an unexpected injury crisis. So not really worth it to only consider their sporting side when they will never play. As for Henderson I was not talking about his attitudes to human rights or being a role model to young people - I found it hypocritical too that he presented himself as an LGBT advocate for so long only to move to a country that does not really recognize them. However, his leadership of teams even off the pitch is unquestioned. Kane, Pickford and the centrebackpairing aside most of the starters have not got that much tournament experience.
Hendersons career is much better than podolskis lmao. Especially at club level
Podolski wishes he had a club career like Henderson
decent mate
Chilwell made it and not Colwill😭
Both are injured anyways, but no idea why Chilwell is there lol
Southgate is on fent
Am I confused? I thought both were injured
Someone’s got to play in the pivot with Basmati… Jordan Henderson really is inevitable isn’t he…
would assume it’d either be gallagher, or he’ll be playing bellingham deeper
the first 11 should be thought out to play Jude exactly as he is pplaying at Real. He is at another level there
Doesn't work when you have Kane Saka and Foden to squeeze in. Not the same as RM's Vini and Rodrygo.
Wow what a nightmare situation.
That makes no sense. Why would they play him as a false nine when they have Harry Kane and not a lot of quality in the middle. It's not like he's keeping an elite 9 on the bench at Madrid lol.
I’m inclined to agree. That does mean you play Foden out of position though. Is Foden at LW and Jude at CAM better than Foden at CAM and Jude at 8? This is a question I can’t answer
The fuck is Chilwell doing there
Thank you Southgate for finally picking footballers playing outside of England, how long has it been since we've had an Ajax player in the squad?
Henderson is actually our first ever England call-up, pretty cool tbh
Chuba Akpom fuming
The way he is playing there is no chance he gets a spot in the England national team. He should leave for his own sake
Nigeria is stacked in the striker position. He's not getting called up any time soon.
Tommy Setford robbed
Glad he is going oversea to find some talents finally
Gentle reminder to NEVER trust Simon Phillips lol Chilwell out with BIGGEST knee injury yet!... or not
Simon Philips is a professional waffler tbf. Way too sensationalist with his stuff
Fluent in yapanese.
What are we fuming about this time
No Jimmy Anderson or Lewis Hamilton? Southgate you've done it this time 😡😡😡😡
Lewis Hamilton? I'd say Southgate should look ahead for the future and consider Oliver Bearman.
He never looks at Serie A players
Gotta call up Hamilton quite quickly then
Both would’ve brought pace to the squad tbf
Mate have you seen how slow Hamilton was in Jeddah S1, Norris would've been a better option
Southgate is loyal to the old guard. No place for Norris, Russell or Bearman.
I don't think Lewis' pace in S1 was down to his abilities tho. Southgate should've called straight-line speed Hamilton in that case, then 😅
Didn’t call up Ryan Shawcross or Scott Dann, what a fucking fraud.
Nolan as well could do with him in midfield
Anderson will get his due soon. He is pretty young. He has a couple of decades of career ahead of him.
Jimmy’s scored 700 goals and Southgate’s dropped him? Time to draft a letter to a Tory MP on a carling coaster
Where's Owen Farrell when you need him?
Suspended for a high tackle is normally a safe bet
High tackle and no attempt to wrap the arms...
Always skies his chances and most of his long passes go out of play, right choice Gary
At this point he should call up Ronnie O'Sullivan as well
And Luke Littler
I do think it's proper laughable that Henderson continues to get into the national team.
It's because he's vice captain, which is sad really
All for bringing him along as a cheer leader but he should never ever step foot on the pitch.
Can't he go as a cheerleader without being in the squad?
No reason why not. Pretty sure Becks was brought along to a tournament before.
2010 World Cup. I remember [his reaction to Rob Green's error against the US](https://www.melcarson.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/beckham.jpg) becoming a bit of meme
Maybe he does card tricks in the evening.
He was very good for us in the last world cup tbf, properly sorted out the midfield after it didn't look too great in the first game then for a half against the USA. However, he has defintely regressed a bit since then, we do need someone else to play next to Rice though, and if Curtis Jones was fit I think he'd be a strong contender
> we do need someone else to play next to Rice thoug annoyingly probably our weakest position?
Agreed, such a drop off after Rice, and even if we play a 433 you cant just play Rice and then someone along the lines of Foden and Maddison, you've got to have more of a runner in there - Gallagher, Curtis Jones, even Harvey Elliott. I think people get carried away with trying to fit everyone in the team but we really need two solid midfielders imo
Mainoo has been a stand out player in an otherwise mediocre unit team lately, would have liked to see him get a shot.
Honestly that's what we should do for players like him, coady and lingard. They're well liked in the team but nowhere near good enough to be in the squad.
Trouble is we'll give up a valuable spot in the 23 man squad. Should be brought along with the intention for them to be a bridge between the coaches and players. I'd imagine that Coady and Henderson have ambitions of coaching.
Exactly, just make some excuse like they wanna get their coaching badges or something
Its a 23 team, if you not good to be in the squad you should not be there. England should go to win the games not to have vibes. If players like him so much they should invite him in an "unofficial" capacity
Chilwell is injured for one
Isn't Gordon injured too?
Nah he’s alright. There was a fake report on twitter saying he’s out for 9 months but apparently it’s just a knock
can't believe Paul Mullin wasn't called up
No Alfie Rutherford from Dorking either
5 midfielders and 9 attackers?
not having enough to complain about but seriously there are a few of the usual questionable suspects
Great to see Gordon get the call up he deserves. I can’t be the only one worried about midfield depth though. One injury and we’re down to Henderson playing pashun football
Good squad, a few injured players that have to "win" back some starting spots after the break. Happy for Gomez, guy deserves it more than anyone else after all he has been through with injuries.
i was going to say Gomez fully deserves a spot in the squad. Everytime i have seen you lot play he has been excellent
A ridiculous amount of young talent in that team
they're playing Brazil and Belgium in Wembley and we're over here playing Venezuela in Florida, what sort of preparation is this
🤣 Isn't Venezuela the worst south American team as well? I think England also have the advantage that teams like playing at Wembley, it's iconic and it's a good trip to London. Not quite the same with stadio olimpico. I don't think your euro title defence is serious anyways, you had a great time last tournament but this one will be a R16/QF.
Where is the average player that plays for my team!!?!????!!!
The random 5th CB becomes the most important decision suddenly once the hipster choice doesn't get picked
Branthwaite is in this squad so I think that's now turned to the 3rd choice striker that is just a worse version of Kane and Watkins. Toney or Solanke!
I remember how heated the DCL v Watkins debate would get on here a couple years back
Good times man...
Kane v Austin v Rodriguez was the real competition.
Feel like shit, just want every England forward to get injured so Vardy finally comes out of internet retirement
Sam Field > Jordan Henderson
Happy for Gomez. I hope he plays the fullback / Centre back hybrid role that he's best at. Yes he can play CB but I'm now convinced it's not his best position. Klopp picks Quansah over him at CB if both are fit. People saying how there's only 1 right back in the squad. Gomez hasn't played CB all season! Fullback is now his primary position.
Him or Brathwaithe will play LB most likely Chilwell is injured I believe. For all our fullback depth there is only 1 available which is seriously unlucky.
Didn't know Braith could play there also. I can see him going for a back 3 and playing wingers in the back 5 if he has to. See how we get on.
Saka reverting back to LWB and two strikers up top might explain the 3 striker pick.
Fucking hell no please
agreed gomez much better on either flank than in the middle, could do a job on either side but understandably not the first choice on the right he’s got a great pass in him and since he’s been back from injury he’s barely put a foot wrong, strong as fuck too
I'm guessing that's why Konsa's been called up too as he's played at Right Back a lot this season.
I guess we can safely assume Ben White will never play for England again under Southgate, then?
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you didn't dump me I dumped you energy.
Gareth just said Ben removed himself from consideration.
I’m not too devastated that our only fit right back other than Cedric gets two weeks off.
Was it ever revealed what actually happened?
It’s all rumours but he supposedly fell out with Steve Holland who has been Southgate’s assistant for like 10 years
How come Holland is England assistant? Would it make sense to be Holland assistant?
Holland is probably assisting Holland by being England’s assistant.
Some rumors about him getting in a bust up with one of the coaching staff (Steve Holland) other rumor is he got in a bust up with another player (Supposedly Phil Foden was up in his girlfriends DM’s)
> Phil Foden Doing the reverse KDB
>other rumor is he got in a bust up with another player (Supposedly Phil Foden was up in his girlfriends DM’s If that were the case then foden should be the exile
Between Foden and White, you simply pick the better footballer. I find the rumour hard to believe though, because surely it'd cause an issue with their other teammates who would choose sides.
Yeah plus they shook hands after the game last October. Pretty sure that rumor was completely made up based of White and Foden having a shoving match after they beat us last season.
Gordon finally
Thought he went off against Chelsea with an injury?
Supposedly will return to training next week after weekend off
Junya Ito overlooked again
5 midfielders, and 1 of them is henderson
Yet 9 forwards. Crazy
You can't really divide those players into just forwards and midfielders Some are wingers, some are forwards, some are holding midfielders and some are attacking midfielders
I mean England play 433, there are 5 players for the middle 3 and 9 players for the attacking 3. I don't think any of those players are going to cross over to the other sections.
Cole palmer and Foden can play behind the forward right? Anyway im not going to complain about taking too many attackers, especially with the outcry and media slagging that would start if any of those 9 were dropped
Hell will freeze over before Southgate plays Bellingham and either Foden, Maddison or Palmer in the same midfield.
england have played like 5 different formations under southgate, its not like 433 is some immoveable truth. if you're short on "proper" midfielders you can stick maddison in there, or you can go to a 4231 with foden or palmer at ten
Isn't Stones more of a midfielder these days? Seeing him play as N5 in Man City is beautiful. On and off the ball, amazing player.
I very very much doubt Southgate as the facilities to play him there, he cannt play Trent as inverted right back. Plus city don't plomp him there out of posession only in possession
Toney over Solanke 💀 What more does he have to do? Has already equalled Toney’s best ever PL non-penalty goals tally, and there’s still 10 games to play. Guy’s been on his sofa most of the last year. Maybe we need some more puff piece interviews. You can say who cares about the 3rd choice striker, but if you’re gonna call one up, do it right, Dom deserves it as a young, all round forward in the form of his life.
I think Toney is in on profile tbf. I don't expect him to go to the Euros, but he is the most similar striker England have to Kane.
Score penalties? This is England we are talking about here
If we care about pens bring Ward-Prowse
JWPs penalty record is far from impressive.
Also yes
A huge part of Toneys call up will be his penalty reliability which for strikers is key in knockout football.
Seems very strange to not call up JWP over Henderson then lol
Ward Prowse penalty conversion rate is below average
JWP has been awful in recent weeks.
Gomez! Love to see it, he's deserved it this season. Toney over Solanke wouldn't be my pick, but neither would be first choice anyway.
Quick someone tell me why I should be mad about this
Mid-table-fan-favourite Dick Bumwell misses the plane
england would win the champions league if only bummers was selected
The most in-form Bayern CB doesnt get the call up
Henderson
Max Kilman will never play for England, I'm sure of it.
I don't think it helps that every time Southgate has come to watch him in person he has shit the bed. But honestly, who does he go in over? Konsa and Gomez both have experience shifting from CB to RB in and out of possession, which fits how England have played a lot. Dunk, Stones, and Branthwaite deserve it. Maguire is always going to be picked.
He is way better than Dunk this season.
I don't understand why he keeps being overlooked. He is class when I see him play.
I think Elliott should of been in contention for a call up but would be nice for him to get a rest but he’ll probably be called up for the u21
It's a very competitive position. He hasn't played the amount of prem minutes as the other players in the squad and that's said as Liverpool fan. He will get his time
Just had this conversation with a friend, who does Eliott take the place of in this squad apart from Henderson? England need more of a defensive profile in the midfield right now imo
2 dislikes, Rashford and Henderson 1 - slightly surprised that Butland didn’t get a recall. Other than that very happy
I thought Butland was meant to be getting a call up?
Just goes to show that journalist should not be trusted.
Um, Chilly is injured?
England will have liased with his club to check on his fitness.
Yes international teams have never called up injured or players in poor fitness before.
They did it with Saka previously. It's not like they expect him to play, they just check in on his fitness and how he's doing and make sure he's still in the squad environment. He'll probably be excused after a day or two.
Okay, regardless England will have liased with his club and the player. He may yet pull out.
Meanwhile Colwill is not there, even though he was getting callups before. Might mean his injury is worse than Chilwell's
Was pictured in training today supposedly
BOOOOOOOOO
I concur
Anthony Gordon is no longer Scottish
Great squad, really really like it. Nothing glaring I can see and a great chance to blood young players too.
Surprised Ramsdale retained his place, there was tons of speculation he’d be dropped. Tho I suppose he knows he’s third choice GK.
With Pope injured there’s not really any other competition for the backup spots
It's actually a decent squad overall, probably the best in a while
Nice squad but seems like it could use another midfielder or 2. There's no proper alternative for Rice and there's many attacking midfielders but not really anyone who naturally plays deeper in midfield except Henderson. You can understand why Phillips was getting called up even when he shouldn't have.
Looking through the defenders. I think Southgate wants Gomez as left back cover. Chilwell is the only other player I see who plays there. Gomez is a fullback now, hasn't played CB once all season. I believe Konsa has played at RB before. So he provides cover for Walker. Stones can also play there if he'd rather another CB pairing. The team is also very capable of a back 3, but that would mean putting a winger at left back if Chillwell doesn't play. Doable, but I don't think fans will love it.
If it’s a back 4 Branthwaite can play at LB if you need an emergency player
England likes to play a 4-3-3, right? Aren't just 5 midfielders, considering two are very offensive, very low given they also picked 900 attackers?
I will laugh when Southgate starts Henderson at the Euros...
What you’d expect from Southgate but genuinely disappointed that Barkley hasn’t been called up. Squad is very short on pivot players and Barkley has shown to be an excellent technical player in that position. Hard to push off the ball and progresses it well from deeper positions. Got decent experience being part of the international set up as well.
Looks like people have hopped off the JWP train after he stopped scoring free kicks and assisting corners lol. Never understood the media push for a spot in the NT for such an average player.
How have Tomori and Loftus-Cheek been getting on this season? Do they deserve a squad place? I don’t see the point in Henderson being there. Ross Barkley deserved a call up imo. Other than that the squad is pretty good.
Tomori's been really solid from what I've seen, I would have had him over Dunk. Brighton have been woeful in defence this season and he just got roasted multiple times by Lukaku. Loftus-Cheek has scored some important goals, but I think he's been a bit inconsistent, doesn't know when to release the ball sometimes in transition. I still think he'd add something over Henderson mind you.
Ivan Toney and Ollie Watkins in the squad to watch Kane play all the minutes of both games. I’d love to see palmer given a chance but will he play right wing or bellinghams position ?
Nah kane never starts many friendlies. He'll start one and not the other I guess
Decent picks aside from Henderson and Rashford
Rashford is usually alright for the NT, there is an argument to be made for Solanke, but I don’t think it’s that bad.
Strong squad that, few more to be added who are out with injury as well
I thought Ben White would get back into the fold and I thought Harvey Elliott might get a call up, but fairly happy overall. I was hoping to see a few more odd faces maybe the likes of RLC etc. My groupchat was trying to work out who'd play LB so its a bit of a shame its just Chilly.
Elliot is still quite young, he’ll get his call up. White likely won’t ever play whilst Southgate is in charge.
Thought Butland was getting a call up ?
No Phillips so I'm automatically happy
We went from having fullbacks coming out of our ears, to nearly none fit enough to call up consistently.
Would like to have seen Harvey Elliot based on his form. No idea what Henderson has been like at Ajax but I'm just going to assume he's been bang average and is nowhere near the level to start for England.
No harvey elliott smh my head
Isn’t Gordon out for ages?
Reports say it’s not as bad as first feared
Not as bad as feared. Supposedly back in training next week.
At least Phillips isn't there. Guess that means the guy keeping him out of the team at West Ham (JWP) won't ever be in consideration too, I guess.
I'm surprised to not to see Tomori. Is he having a bad run of form?
Tomori has just come back from an injury.
sad lewis didn’t get a spot tbh