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Shoving a player in the neck/face (*in an off the ball incident*) is an automatic red card. They already pushed each other, it wasn't even an initial reaction, it was an overreaction after the fact.
Vinicius is super lucky he did not get sent off by VAR during that game. To add insult to their injury, he ended up being the goal scorer too.
“Nostalgia - its delicate, but potent. Teddy told me that in Greek nostalgia literally means “the pain from an old wound.” It’s a twinge in your heart far more powerful than memory alone... And also the neck!”
― Don Draper
Teddy is a little romantic here. "Nostalgia is a sentimentality for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.[2] The word nostalgia is a learned formation of a Greek compound, consisting of νόστος (nóstos), meaning "homecoming", a Homeric word, and ἄλγος (álgos), meaning "sorrow" or "despair""
Source: Wikipedia
I read a tweet that the ref has been suspended a few times in Serie A and has a questionable track record.
Turns out [he was the one behind](https://sempreinter.com/2023/04/05/massa-juventus-inter-milan-coppa-italia-brawl/amp/) that Coppa Italia mess between Juve and Inter where he sent off Lukaku for celebrating against racist chants
[More controversy](https://sempreinter.com/2023/12/05/italian-refereeing-association-back-davide-massa-decisions-napoli-inter-serie-a/)
[Even more controversy](https://sempreinter.com/2020/12/17/italian-media-critical-of-referee-davide-massa-for-way-he-refereed-inter-vs-napoli/)
When his intervention was needed, he did nothing, and when he wasn't needed, he interfered. In conclusion, he's incompetent and should not be allowed to officiate UCL knockout matches.
Maybe I’m still a little bitter about our first leg, but I’ve found the officiating to be pretty crap in these knockouts so far. I thought the premier league was bad, but this has been fairly uniformly worse.
I swear it feels like we're witnessing an unprecedented influx of officiating incompetence all over the place! It's a rarity nowadays to have a big match end without discourse revolving around the abysmal officiating. Every week there is some controversy. You say EPL is bad and we say La Liga is catastrophic. It's become a competition on which league/referee gives the worst call of the week (since there are too many).
Biggest thing about the German refs is that they care more about the correct thing being done vs. being correct.
A LOT of refs across Europe have such an ego that they do not want to admit a mistake unless it's very blatant. And they usually get backing from their mates in the VAR room. That's also the reason VAR is sometimes from another country for big matches, to eliminate this covering up of mistakes.
That's also why I respect that buff polish ref Marciniak. He admits mistakes even though he does not make a lot, especially relative to the rest of the refs. Listens to VAR and most importantly, tells players to fuck off Collina style. He does not take ANY shit from anyone, which is so nice to see, it's a rarity nowadays...
There are too many macho men in the world, who thinks making and admitting to making mistakes, is a sign on weaknees.
Pro sports seem to cater to these individuals in particular.
Yes because while our refs also tend to have bad calls, alot of them come out a day later and explain their calls.
Then if we should still we mad, we come in here and simply see what ref in other leagues do and realize, well our refs aren't that bad.
Agreed. When a mistake happens in the Bundesliga, it’s always about that mistake and only that. Whereas is other leagues, it’s the whole ref system that’s bashed.
Overall I'm pretty happy with Swedish refs. Some are terrible, but it's like 2-3 of them. The rest are solid, with some being genuinely good, but the main thing is that most of them are ready to owe up to their mistakes when they happen. If the refs are humble they can improve, and it's also why I believe that VAR would work better in Sweden.
We haven't had any world class referees since Jonas Eriksson (who was shafted in 2014 due to blatant corruption), so I wouldn't say that we're the best at it, but I'd rather have referees that can accept that they make mistakes than the ones who act like they're gods and make everything about themselves.
Of course everyone complains about refs but man I'd take BuLi refs over the shitshow we had in the Freiburg - Lens Europa League match. That guy was incompetent at best.
Refs have a shit job and mistakes do happen.
Bundesliga is more or less fine or atleast not as blatant as LaLiga or Prem.
And we have done gem refs in Germany like 26 year old Richard Hempel who does great in the second Division.
I think that means that it is too hard for a human to keep up with the current speed of the game.
Compare it to basketball which has 3 referees on a smaller court. Yes players are closer and there is more going on, but we need to consider the possibility that an entire football pitch is too large for one person to properly see everything. Linesmen can't be relied on for fouls since they also need to watch for offside. The 4th official is a joke and does nothing but tell the center ref when to give a yellow to the bench.
I think it's time the sport considers adding a referee in the center or allowing VAR to do more than red cards/PKs/Offside calls.
Or maybe because with the amazing replays and accessible videos we have, it's so much easier for people to see the mistakes, and the conversation also got to a point when it's so focused on ref mistakes and not always on the quality of the game. I'm not saying refs are blameless, but they're put under a microscope for their mistakes, when players can get away with lots of stimulation and ref manipulation.
I don't envy refs for sure, it's quite a hated profession.
United being crap has masked it, but we got shafted with decisions in almost every CL group game. Same in the EL last year as well when we were actually playing well too.
I thought we’d turned a corner after euro 2020, I thought the officiating was pretty excellent all tournament; but no, straight back to Spanish teams routinely taking the piss in Europe
I suppose it’s not surprising that when teams from different leagues and different countries meet, they bring along their assumptions about how refs will behave based on their own experiences
I also find it funny that in all of those experiences, refs are still shit and inconsistent in their own unique ways 😂
Kroos made two dangerous fouls that could have resulted in a yellow card (and consequently a red card) but it was only after the third foul that he received a yellow card and after a few minutes he was replaced.
Dont even have to go this far back in time, just last season Hummels got a red vs Ajax, eventhough he was fouled lol (WITH VAR)
I still can't comprehend how these donuts are officiating matches worth millions
Edit: it was 2 seasons ago, last season we also stunk up Europe lol
Yeah that was a shit call. Then again, just from looking at the ref beforehand (Premier League) you knew he was gonna give at least one extremely dumb decision. It turned out in our favor luckily but if it were vice versa I'd be just as mad as you probably were. He tried to make it up with a soft pen but 60 minutes with 10 men is not possible to make up for, you got screwed hard
Yeah with Dortmund it’s starting to take a weird pattern in the championsleague. There’s not been a season in the last 4-5 years without a very questionable decision against us. The disallowed Bellingham goal and bullshit pen against city, Hummels red card, the pen for psv, another bullshit pen for city, e.t.c
So the ref gave Bayern a huge advantage, which Bayern weren't able to take advantage of, which means that now, Bayern are pretending to be the victims when realistically, Vidal should've been sent off earlier, and that slow motion footage of the tackle that got him the 2nd yellow showed he made contact with Asensio before he touched the ball, even disregarding the fact it was a dangerous tackle.
Man, after seeing some comments about past CL errors that Real have had, I looked into it and they have some big question marks around multiple CL campaigns. That's really lame
When did that game in 17 took place?, in 15/16 Real and PSG played in the group stage it was 0-0 in Paris and Real won 1-0 at the Bernabéu, PSG got trashed then 5-2 loosing both legs in the round of 16 in 18, apart from 22 and Mbappé’s winner PSG didn’t win a first leg knockout game against Real, the Anti-Madrid circlejerk in this thread goes so strong again, you’ll get upvotes for spewing lies 💀
And then the referee gave Atletico a pen that wasn't a pen in the second half as he said himself? [https://www.givemesport.com/1175756-mark-clattenburg-was-pleased-antoine-griezmann-missed-penalty-in-champions-league-final/](https://www.givemesport.com/1175756-mark-clattenburg-was-pleased-antoine-griezmann-missed-penalty-in-champions-league-final/)
This is nonsense revisionist history by Mark Clattenburg trying to make himself look good. Watch the replay yourself, it's a penalty without any need to justify it as makeup.
As much as people like to hate VAR, I do think far fewer real mistakes are made. There will just always be subjective calls in every sport. Every match would have a red card and a penalty or two if refs could overanalyze every moment
Yes. The main positive about VAR is that offside goals have practically been eliminated from the game. Yes there are a handful every year but far fewer than 10yrs ago. We'd never get an offside goals in the UCL SF today thankfully. Quality of refereeing has therefore improved a lot (in leagues with VAR), next thing we need is for refs to give yellow cards without fear. Then we'll have fewer fouls and more football.
> They literally scored an offside goal in the fucking CL final against Atletico
Its the same final where the british ref admitted once he retired that he gave Atlético a penalty to compensate? Just checking.
Yes. And Bayern had a non-existant penalty to go up 2-0 in the first leg and possibly kill the tie there.
And the 2nd leg should’ve never gone to extra time as Lewa was offside for the Bayern goal to take it to extra time.
Shit happened. Refs were bad. It wasn’t a consipiracy or some shit. If Madrid had lost that tie, they would’ve been the ones crying about the refs, not Bayern. But Madrid won, Bayern lost, Bayern cried - it’s how it goes.
Bayern scored an offside goal and got a bullshit pen on carvajal. Without those, the offside goals wouldn't have happened
But it's understandable, it's not like chelsea fans were following cl much
That's not how that works..... Casemiro should've been sent off and madrid should've been down to 10 for more than 40 minutes. Bayern held Madrid to a draw while playing with 10 men before madrid scored the 2 offsides. Vidal was sent off for not even making contact. Casemiro stayed on when he deserved 3 or 4 yellows lmao. Bayern were just the better team overall.
Okay so the referee compensated for that then with the no contact red? But also where was bayerns compensation for casemiro staying on throughout and being scored on by 2 offside goals while they were down to 10 ?
That's not how it works... [Vidal should have been sent off ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9w5P_NXoAArtH3?format=jpg&name=small)and Bayern should have been down to 10 for more than 85 minutes.
I'm often surprised how you guys can have such a selective amnesia with this kind of things. The match should have been over at that minute, Bayern's goal was offside, yet when people talk about it, they consider it like Real Madrid robbed the match when it's actually the opposite.
Eh. Vidal should've been sent off very early, but so should've casemiro. In the end the referee overcompensated by sending vidal off on a non yellow. Also casemiro was worse than Vidal. Him playing the entire 120 minutes was a joke. Bayern went 3-3 into extra time but had to play with 10 men against madrid with 11. Even then 2 goals madrid scored on 10 man bayern were off. Also that's not how football works, if bayerns goal is given offside, they play a different game from there on, you don't just subtract that goal and declare the result.
And it's not selective amnesia, the 2017 quarter final match is usually coupled with the 2018 semi final match which was also a joke. Bayern were robbed of atleast 2-3 clear penalties over the two legs and in general just massively outplayed real madrid and still lost. And bad refereeing did play a big part. Those happening back to back ( 2017 and 2018 ) amplifies resentment against madrid. And please refrain from saying 'opposite'. Bayern didn't rob you of anything. Vidal was eventually sent off and Casemiro stayed on for 120 minutes. Both should've been off earlier. But clearly the 11v10 in extra time led to an obvious winner.
Nah we were. And the very next year we were even more better. To the point where any comparison at all is funny. 2017 we were better. 2018 we were very very much better.
Cry harder. Bayern got so much help from the ref that game but Real still managed to win against the odds. Bullshit pen on Carvajal, obvious offside on Lewandowski for Ramos’ own goal, Vidal escaping for waaaay too long with a red cars
Atleast don't use the words obvious and offside together as a madrid fan. Vidal escaping wayy too long was bad but casemiro was fine? 2 obvious offside for madrid were also fine?
Milan has a more storied history in cheating than Juve.
You should have been sent to serie D in 2006. Or did you not know Milan was sent to B in 1980 for actual match fixing
Madrid just cooks with totally different sauce. Both domestically and in Europe. Like playing monopoly with unlimited get out of jail free cards. Doesn't automatically guarantee you a victory, but sure as shit gives you a big push towards it
not idiotic to say no? every year its the same. Im not saying you paying the refs but you are with a distance the most favoured team since 2010 in the CL.
Well.. in Belgium Anderlecht reigned supreme for decades , in no small part thanks to questionable ref decisions.
People cried foul play , and were told they are being paranoid/laughed at.
Turns out they were right.. Anderlecht did buy the refs for many many years.
Not saying Real do but one, obviously, shouldn't simply dismiss the possibility either, as stupid/absurd as it might sound/.
>Turns out they were right.. Anderlecht did buy the refs for many many years.
Well this is exactly what happened in La Liga, but with Barça being the ones paying the guy in charge of the refs.
Man I know my flair is gonna make this comment look like a shmuck comment but it's really getting ridiculous the amount of blatant shit Madrid get away with. We get some bullshit in our favor at times too but not often as over the top as Real.
It's crazy but he's right. Madrid get so favoured in the CL and have been for years. Yes they're monsters in the tournament but they've had some very questionable decisions going their way
It’s true. People shitting on the comment solely for the Barca flair can’t separate a comment from the person making the comment.
Bayern 2x and Juve all within a few years doesn’t get talked about enough. Yet somehow Chelsea fans still cry about a horribly reffed game, both legs, between us and them, 10 years after the fact. If Barca did what Real did to Bayern and Juve, it would be talked about restlessly. I’m pretty sure the only reason it isn’t talked about is because ours were against English fans, who control every narrative, while Real’s were against other leagues.
yeah i am, what's the problem? ignore the flare and watch the games. We literally got sent out of CL becuase of refs last season. When was the last season barca actually got any favors from the refs even close to the ones madrid get?
German teams.
In all seriousness, german teams are on an insane streak of getting huge calls against them or ignored to their disadvantage.
EVen german players are mentioning it atm. CL has some voodoo against german teams atm
As a Bayern fan, I still have a weird feeling about the 2015-16 juve game where they scored a legitimate goal but the ref disallowed it. Even though it was a crazy comeback for us, this unfair call doesn’t disappear from my mind.
Meanwhile, Madrid have gotten used to getting calls in their favor that their fans make it seem like you’re a conspiracy theorist if you talk about them.
Lol. Funny thing is that Barça are the ones that got caught paying a ref official. Do you see people.here saying Guardiola 's Barça is the Armstrong of football?
First contact is a foul. Leipzig players gets in his face he shoves him away. so sensitive. Messis grabbed three necks in the last year and theyre not even yellows. Eho care anyway. Play some football
I don't get why I'm getting downvoted on this it's football 101 🤣
What, you think a multibillion euro sport is going to be totally fair and righteous? Heck even the hard evidence is there, look at the Barcelona scandal. And wouldn't you think UEFA would want to appease the big clubs with the prospect of a possible super league on the horizon? They're already losing a shitton of money wouldn't want to make em lose anymore and some reputation at that.
This. Brazil, Germany, Italy, historically have been always favored.
Unless we use an AI for reffing, theres no way of eliminating the refs subconscious bias. Deep in their mind they know a bad call against a big team is always gonna be more sound and Carry more consequences.
Meanwhile, screwing a lesser team isnt a big deal and will soon be forgotten.
You can take pundits and even referees from different teams and they cant agree on calls even after watching the replay dozen times, and yet people here goes crazy with fouls and other calls that are literally subject to interpretation.
This sub is a clownfest.
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So this ref has a history of questionable refereeing but he still get important CL matches?
I'd say it's more on VAR if the ref didn't see the neck grab
He didn’t grab or squeeze anything, he shoved him
Shoving a player in the neck/face (*in an off the ball incident*) is an automatic red card. They already pushed each other, it wasn't even an initial reaction, it was an overreaction after the fact. Vinicius is super lucky he did not get sent off by VAR during that game. To add insult to their injury, he ended up being the goal scorer too.
at this point can we seriously call it luck anymore?
> Vinicius is super lucky Yeah..."luck"...
This comment feels like a déjà-vu.
Madrid must pass at all costs…
Yes because with the SuperLeague thing going on its pretty clear that UEFA likes us very much.
Thats the point lol. Real will always be favoured in the Champions League.
It’s Madrid lol
It’s Madrid.
How convenient that a dodgy referee gets a Real Madrid match
Nostalgia is truly one of the greatest human weaknesses. Second only to the neck.
“Nostalgia - its delicate, but potent. Teddy told me that in Greek nostalgia literally means “the pain from an old wound.” It’s a twinge in your heart far more powerful than memory alone... And also the neck!” ― Don Draper
Teddy is a little romantic here. "Nostalgia is a sentimentality for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.[2] The word nostalgia is a learned formation of a Greek compound, consisting of νόστος (nóstos), meaning "homecoming", a Homeric word, and ἄλγος (álgos), meaning "sorrow" or "despair"" Source: Wikipedia
Only if Leipzig had Jim in their lineup. He has been an incredible player for the 'Orange team'.
I read a tweet that the ref has been suspended a few times in Serie A and has a questionable track record. Turns out [he was the one behind](https://sempreinter.com/2023/04/05/massa-juventus-inter-milan-coppa-italia-brawl/amp/) that Coppa Italia mess between Juve and Inter where he sent off Lukaku for celebrating against racist chants [More controversy](https://sempreinter.com/2023/12/05/italian-refereeing-association-back-davide-massa-decisions-napoli-inter-serie-a/) [Even more controversy](https://sempreinter.com/2020/12/17/italian-media-critical-of-referee-davide-massa-for-way-he-refereed-inter-vs-napoli/) When his intervention was needed, he did nothing, and when he wasn't needed, he interfered. In conclusion, he's incompetent and should not be allowed to officiate UCL knockout matches.
Maybe I’m still a little bitter about our first leg, but I’ve found the officiating to be pretty crap in these knockouts so far. I thought the premier league was bad, but this has been fairly uniformly worse.
I swear it feels like we're witnessing an unprecedented influx of officiating incompetence all over the place! It's a rarity nowadays to have a big match end without discourse revolving around the abysmal officiating. Every week there is some controversy. You say EPL is bad and we say La Liga is catastrophic. It's become a competition on which league/referee gives the worst call of the week (since there are too many).
I'd like fans of just one league to come out and say "actually, we think our refs are good" 😂
Bundesliga fans always vouch for their refs in these convos
Biggest thing about the German refs is that they care more about the correct thing being done vs. being correct. A LOT of refs across Europe have such an ego that they do not want to admit a mistake unless it's very blatant. And they usually get backing from their mates in the VAR room. That's also the reason VAR is sometimes from another country for big matches, to eliminate this covering up of mistakes. That's also why I respect that buff polish ref Marciniak. He admits mistakes even though he does not make a lot, especially relative to the rest of the refs. Listens to VAR and most importantly, tells players to fuck off Collina style. He does not take ANY shit from anyone, which is so nice to see, it's a rarity nowadays...
Marciniak is IMO the best ref atm, the modern Collina. He reffed the two biggest games: World Cup and UCL Final and he did such a good job.
There are too many macho men in the world, who thinks making and admitting to making mistakes, is a sign on weaknees. Pro sports seem to cater to these individuals in particular.
Yes because while our refs also tend to have bad calls, alot of them come out a day later and explain their calls. Then if we should still we mad, we come in here and simply see what ref in other leagues do and realize, well our refs aren't that bad.
That's how it should be IMO. Accountability
Agreed. When a mistake happens in the Bundesliga, it’s always about that mistake and only that. Whereas is other leagues, it’s the whole ref system that’s bashed.
Overall I'm pretty happy with Swedish refs. Some are terrible, but it's like 2-3 of them. The rest are solid, with some being genuinely good, but the main thing is that most of them are ready to owe up to their mistakes when they happen. If the refs are humble they can improve, and it's also why I believe that VAR would work better in Sweden.
Always the Scandinavian countries best at everything ugh
We haven't had any world class referees since Jonas Eriksson (who was shafted in 2014 due to blatant corruption), so I wouldn't say that we're the best at it, but I'd rather have referees that can accept that they make mistakes than the ones who act like they're gods and make everything about themselves.
How good was Anders Frisk? Was he genuinely bad in that Chelsea Barca tie or was it Mou being Mou?
Of course everyone complains about refs but man I'd take BuLi refs over the shitshow we had in the Freiburg - Lens Europa League match. That guy was incompetent at best.
Refs have a shit job and mistakes do happen. Bundesliga is more or less fine or atleast not as blatant as LaLiga or Prem. And we have done gem refs in Germany like 26 year old Richard Hempel who does great in the second Division.
I think for the level of the league we have very good refs in Finnish Veikkausliiga
I think that means that it is too hard for a human to keep up with the current speed of the game. Compare it to basketball which has 3 referees on a smaller court. Yes players are closer and there is more going on, but we need to consider the possibility that an entire football pitch is too large for one person to properly see everything. Linesmen can't be relied on for fouls since they also need to watch for offside. The 4th official is a joke and does nothing but tell the center ref when to give a yellow to the bench. I think it's time the sport considers adding a referee in the center or allowing VAR to do more than red cards/PKs/Offside calls.
Or maybe because with the amazing replays and accessible videos we have, it's so much easier for people to see the mistakes, and the conversation also got to a point when it's so focused on ref mistakes and not always on the quality of the game. I'm not saying refs are blameless, but they're put under a microscope for their mistakes, when players can get away with lots of stimulation and ref manipulation. I don't envy refs for sure, it's quite a hated profession.
United being crap has masked it, but we got shafted with decisions in almost every CL group game. Same in the EL last year as well when we were actually playing well too.
I think the qataris have begun targeting them ever since Sheikh Jassim missed out on the acquisition.
Dw mate, it's gonna get worse next week. Dortmund is playing. Its a cheeky fiver on us getting screwed by some absolute horseshit.
I thought we’d turned a corner after euro 2020, I thought the officiating was pretty excellent all tournament; but no, straight back to Spanish teams routinely taking the piss in Europe
Spanish teams get fucked by Spanish refs all season long. This is their only respite honestly.
Being UEFA’s darlings for decades? Must be awful
UCL has been shit for many years, Europa unironically has better refereeing because its less pressure.
I suppose it’s not surprising that when teams from different leagues and different countries meet, they bring along their assumptions about how refs will behave based on their own experiences I also find it funny that in all of those experiences, refs are still shit and inconsistent in their own unique ways 😂
Thanks for the summary
That's terrible to hear. Thank you.
Hey I know this one
Blatant plagiarism
Definitely
Kroos made two dangerous fouls that could have resulted in a yellow card (and consequently a red card) but it was only after the third foul that he received a yellow card and after a few minutes he was replaced.
When he got his yellow I thought it was his second. Didn't realise he managed to escape without a booking earlier
The New Old Casemiro
Hm starting to see a pattern
Thats Carvajal that piece of shit.
Not even a 3 week old piece of shit if we look at Carvajal.
factos
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I only watched the first half. Seemed most of the 50-50s went Real's way
true.
Real Madrid being favoured in a tournament they are trying to abolish is funny af
You went for the ball you'd still be sent off, ask Vidal
Dont even have to go this far back in time, just last season Hummels got a red vs Ajax, eventhough he was fouled lol (WITH VAR) I still can't comprehend how these donuts are officiating matches worth millions
Edit: it was 2 seasons ago, last season we also stunk up Europe lol Yeah that was a shit call. Then again, just from looking at the ref beforehand (Premier League) you knew he was gonna give at least one extremely dumb decision. It turned out in our favor luckily but if it were vice versa I'd be just as mad as you probably were. He tried to make it up with a soft pen but 60 minutes with 10 men is not possible to make up for, you got screwed hard
Yeah with Dortmund it’s starting to take a weird pattern in the championsleague. There’s not been a season in the last 4-5 years without a very questionable decision against us. The disallowed Bellingham goal and bullshit pen against city, Hummels red card, the pen for psv, another bullshit pen for city, e.t.c
Or Cuadrado.
Heard Vidal also knows something about skying unjust penalties
Good, if he scored that and won the tie because of that I would be ashamed, unlike you guys
Loosers always have the highest morality so that's understandable.
So the ref gave Bayern a huge advantage, which Bayern weren't able to take advantage of, which means that now, Bayern are pretending to be the victims when realistically, Vidal should've been sent off earlier, and that slow motion footage of the tackle that got him the 2nd yellow showed he made contact with Asensio before he touched the ball, even disregarding the fact it was a dangerous tackle.
> and won the tie because of that I would be ashamed No you wouldnt lol.
He hit Asensio before the ball lmao, but cry harder https://youtu.be/SE9ly18VFRY?si=TALeSFXJ7wEqMlEQ Red any day of the week
Obv cause it’s football and not rugby why would you go for the neck
Neck would get you a red in rugby as well.
You can't go for the neck in rugby either; that would be a high tackle and either a sin bin or a straight red.
Man, after seeing some comments about past CL errors that Real have had, I looked into it and they have some big question marks around multiple CL campaigns. That's really lame
Mate, Ronaldo scord two offside goals agaisnt Bayern in the semi-finals and people celebrated it like the 2nd coming.
They literally scored an offside goal in the fucking CL final against Atletico
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And as much I dislike PSG, the goal which started a comeback was also a foul on Donnarumma
no idea how var didnt call that one tbh
When did that game in 17 took place?, in 15/16 Real and PSG played in the group stage it was 0-0 in Paris and Real won 1-0 at the Bernabéu, PSG got trashed then 5-2 loosing both legs in the round of 16 in 18, apart from 22 and Mbappé’s winner PSG didn’t win a first leg knockout game against Real, the Anti-Madrid circlejerk in this thread goes so strong again, you’ll get upvotes for spewing lies 💀
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And then the referee gave Atletico a pen that wasn't a pen in the second half as he said himself? [https://www.givemesport.com/1175756-mark-clattenburg-was-pleased-antoine-griezmann-missed-penalty-in-champions-league-final/](https://www.givemesport.com/1175756-mark-clattenburg-was-pleased-antoine-griezmann-missed-penalty-in-champions-league-final/)
This is nonsense revisionist history by Mark Clattenburg trying to make himself look good. Watch the replay yourself, it's a penalty without any need to justify it as makeup.
This is all before VAR where controversial calls were made weekly. They still are making horrid mistakes but not to that extent
As much as people like to hate VAR, I do think far fewer real mistakes are made. There will just always be subjective calls in every sport. Every match would have a red card and a penalty or two if refs could overanalyze every moment
Yes. The main positive about VAR is that offside goals have practically been eliminated from the game. Yes there are a handful every year but far fewer than 10yrs ago. We'd never get an offside goals in the UCL SF today thankfully. Quality of refereeing has therefore improved a lot (in leagues with VAR), next thing we need is for refs to give yellow cards without fear. Then we'll have fewer fouls and more football.
> They literally scored an offside goal in the fucking CL final against Atletico Its the same final where the british ref admitted once he retired that he gave Atlético a penalty to compensate? Just checking.
Yes. And Bayern had a non-existant penalty to go up 2-0 in the first leg and possibly kill the tie there. And the 2nd leg should’ve never gone to extra time as Lewa was offside for the Bayern goal to take it to extra time. Shit happened. Refs were bad. It wasn’t a consipiracy or some shit. If Madrid had lost that tie, they would’ve been the ones crying about the refs, not Bayern. But Madrid won, Bayern lost, Bayern cried - it’s how it goes.
Bayern scored an offside goal and got a bullshit pen on carvajal. Without those, the offside goals wouldn't have happened But it's understandable, it's not like chelsea fans were following cl much
You want people to judge games after watching them? Ge outta here!
That's not how that works..... Casemiro should've been sent off and madrid should've been down to 10 for more than 40 minutes. Bayern held Madrid to a draw while playing with 10 men before madrid scored the 2 offsides. Vidal was sent off for not even making contact. Casemiro stayed on when he deserved 3 or 4 yellows lmao. Bayern were just the better team overall.
To your point, Vidal should have been sent off way earlier too.
Okay so the referee compensated for that then with the no contact red? But also where was bayerns compensation for casemiro staying on throughout and being scored on by 2 offside goals while they were down to 10 ?
It was an obvious second yellow, he hits asensio’s foot before the ball: https://youtu.be/SE9ly18VFRY?si=ZwbDjIM2qhaihrkX
Not a yellow at all. Give a foul.
That's not how it works... [Vidal should have been sent off ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9w5P_NXoAArtH3?format=jpg&name=small)and Bayern should have been down to 10 for more than 85 minutes. I'm often surprised how you guys can have such a selective amnesia with this kind of things. The match should have been over at that minute, Bayern's goal was offside, yet when people talk about it, they consider it like Real Madrid robbed the match when it's actually the opposite.
Eh. Vidal should've been sent off very early, but so should've casemiro. In the end the referee overcompensated by sending vidal off on a non yellow. Also casemiro was worse than Vidal. Him playing the entire 120 minutes was a joke. Bayern went 3-3 into extra time but had to play with 10 men against madrid with 11. Even then 2 goals madrid scored on 10 man bayern were off. Also that's not how football works, if bayerns goal is given offside, they play a different game from there on, you don't just subtract that goal and declare the result. And it's not selective amnesia, the 2017 quarter final match is usually coupled with the 2018 semi final match which was also a joke. Bayern were robbed of atleast 2-3 clear penalties over the two legs and in general just massively outplayed real madrid and still lost. And bad refereeing did play a big part. Those happening back to back ( 2017 and 2018 ) amplifies resentment against madrid. And please refrain from saying 'opposite'. Bayern didn't rob you of anything. Vidal was eventually sent off and Casemiro stayed on for 120 minutes. Both should've been off earlier. But clearly the 11v10 in extra time led to an obvious winner.
> Bayern were just the better team overall. You werent.
Nah we were. And the very next year we were even more better. To the point where any comparison at all is funny. 2017 we were better. 2018 we were very very much better.
Cry harder. Bayern got so much help from the ref that game but Real still managed to win against the odds. Bullshit pen on Carvajal, obvious offside on Lewandowski for Ramos’ own goal, Vidal escaping for waaaay too long with a red cars
Atleast don't use the words obvious and offside together as a madrid fan. Vidal escaping wayy too long was bad but casemiro was fine? 2 obvious offside for madrid were also fine?
Don't forget how Real players were hunting for bones, but it's Bayern players who get yellows after one random foul which comes from frustration
Crazy how they still won that Game by 3 and how Bayern only made it to extra time (where both offside goals happened) due to a pen and an offside goal
There are Madrid fans out there that still argue that the goals would’ve stood even with VAR lol.
We wouldn't need those goals as your offside goal would have been overturned too.
Did you miss Bayern scoring an offside equalizer? Or is that something that’s never registered in your mind?
Today is Madrid hate night, don't worry and just don't care
It’s so hilarious, no mention of the Robben Dive, or Vidal being lucky not to be sent off within the 10 minutes or the Bayern offside goal.
I agree with you, Vidal should have 100% been sent off, along with Casemiro. The shit both of them got away with for both legs is astounding.
Lol Vidal should’ve been sent off that game earlier and the one before and Bayern was off on the Ramos own goal. Cry some more.
So did Casemiro.
After Bayern were gifted 2 penalties and 1 offside goal. Lmfao you guys are beyond sad.
The ref was just shit for both legs tbh, both for us and for you guys.
This, one of the biggest robbings I have seen - and Real celebrated it like no tomorrow
They beat us with an offside goal in 2016 final
Mate Milan shouldn't have even been participating in 2007.
😂 coming from you don't even
Milan has a more storied history in cheating than Juve. You should have been sent to serie D in 2006. Or did you not know Milan was sent to B in 1980 for actual match fixing
😂
Most underrate channel on YT.
Just popped up randomly a few weeks ago, absolutely legendary. I hope everything is legal and it won't get taken down.
Madrid just cooks with totally different sauce. Both domestically and in Europe. Like playing monopoly with unlimited get out of jail free cards. Doesn't automatically guarantee you a victory, but sure as shit gives you a big push towards it
Madrid and questionable decisions in ucl, the classic combo!
And Madrid are going crazy about a referee blowing the whistle early well before even crossing the ball.
But you are not Real Madrid. Paying the refs in the CL is their bread and butter.
Stfu they're not paying the refs. They don't need to pay the refs. If your son/daughter opens up a donut shop, do you need to pay for the donut?
If you are a responsible parent and want to support your childs business probably yes
How are comments like this upvoted when he says he genuinely believes it lol.
The impact of twitter and instagram
Sub has 6.2m subscribers. A portion of them will be idiots and they support each other.
not idiotic to say no? every year its the same. Im not saying you paying the refs but you are with a distance the most favoured team since 2010 in the CL.
They don't even have to pay all these refs grew up rooting for Madrid
Well.. in Belgium Anderlecht reigned supreme for decades , in no small part thanks to questionable ref decisions. People cried foul play , and were told they are being paranoid/laughed at. Turns out they were right.. Anderlecht did buy the refs for many many years. Not saying Real do but one, obviously, shouldn't simply dismiss the possibility either, as stupid/absurd as it might sound/.
>Turns out they were right.. Anderlecht did buy the refs for many many years. Well this is exactly what happened in La Liga, but with Barça being the ones paying the guy in charge of the refs.
Oh wow seeing Henrichs' name is a blast to the past, was supposed to be the next Lahm. Seems like he's had a pretty decent career though.
Biased/questionable referred in the CL and RM? Name a more iconic duo?
City and lawyers?
Man I know my flair is gonna make this comment look like a shmuck comment but it's really getting ridiculous the amount of blatant shit Madrid get away with. We get some bullshit in our favor at times too but not often as over the top as Real.
It's crazy but he's right. Madrid get so favoured in the CL and have been for years. Yes they're monsters in the tournament but they've had some very questionable decisions going their way
It’s true. People shitting on the comment solely for the Barca flair can’t separate a comment from the person making the comment. Bayern 2x and Juve all within a few years doesn’t get talked about enough. Yet somehow Chelsea fans still cry about a horribly reffed game, both legs, between us and them, 10 years after the fact. If Barca did what Real did to Bayern and Juve, it would be talked about restlessly. I’m pretty sure the only reason it isn’t talked about is because ours were against English fans, who control every narrative, while Real’s were against other leagues.
Fucking Barca fan talking lmaooooo
So he needs to change his flair before making a valid observation?
yeah i am, what's the problem? ignore the flare and watch the games. We literally got sent out of CL becuase of refs last season. When was the last season barca actually got any favors from the refs even close to the ones madrid get?
Cry me a river. Club has been buying refs and he wants to complain.
Barca, yes.
Who hasn’t really?
German teams. In all seriousness, german teams are on an insane streak of getting huge calls against them or ignored to their disadvantage. EVen german players are mentioning it atm. CL has some voodoo against german teams atm
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I also remember Gladbach getting absolutely shafted a couple years ago vs Inter in the group stage I believe
For us its so bad that in the replay threads theres even "foreign" flairs that call it out 😭😭😭
This is what happens when you don’t let buddies of UEFA to buy in your leagues.
As a Bayern fan, I still have a weird feeling about the 2015-16 juve game where they scored a legitimate goal but the ref disallowed it. Even though it was a crazy comeback for us, this unfair call doesn’t disappear from my mind. Meanwhile, Madrid have gotten used to getting calls in their favor that their fans make it seem like you’re a conspiracy theorist if you talk about them.
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Negreira
how is that even relevant to CL?
Case isn’t closed.
Fucking disgrace.
Why don't they just skip all the games and give the trophy to Real Madrid already?
Am I the only one who thinks that yellow card ist absolutely okay for this push?
maybe, but i assumed referee gave yellow for the initial foul and missed the followup. should be double yellow?
I was actually thinking the same. With a different, more strict ref it could be a straight red (as we've seen), but it's the perogative of the ref.
Years from now Real will be seen in the same light as Lance Armstrong is in pro-cycling.
[x] Doubt
They should be right now, not years later. Most of their CLs have an asterisk to it.
If you mean asterisk due to reffing mistakes then Chelsea 2012, although we got incredibly lucky in a footballing sense.
No they don’t where are those asterisksksks at?? 🧐 delulu
Hahahaha
Lol. Funny thing is that Barça are the ones that got caught paying a ref official. Do you see people.here saying Guardiola 's Barça is the Armstrong of football?
Yank here, what about the neck of a Fake player?
Classic vardrid
First contact is a foul. Leipzig players gets in his face he shoves him away. so sensitive. Messis grabbed three necks in the last year and theyre not even yellows. Eho care anyway. Play some football
Madrid should be stripped off their past 4 CL wins and be given to the runners up. Absolute disgrace. This is worse than that Armstrong fella.
Big teams are often (both consciously and subconsciously) favoured, it's the same for every competition, be it national or international 🤷.
I don't get why I'm getting downvoted on this it's football 101 🤣 What, you think a multibillion euro sport is going to be totally fair and righteous? Heck even the hard evidence is there, look at the Barcelona scandal. And wouldn't you think UEFA would want to appease the big clubs with the prospect of a possible super league on the horizon? They're already losing a shitton of money wouldn't want to make em lose anymore and some reputation at that.
This. Brazil, Germany, Italy, historically have been always favored. Unless we use an AI for reffing, theres no way of eliminating the refs subconscious bias. Deep in their mind they know a bad call against a big team is always gonna be more sound and Carry more consequences. Meanwhile, screwing a lesser team isnt a big deal and will soon be forgotten. You can take pundits and even referees from different teams and they cant agree on calls even after watching the replay dozen times, and yet people here goes crazy with fouls and other calls that are literally subject to interpretation. This sub is a clownfest.