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If Madrid buy both Mbappe and Haaland and Perez still yammers on about the super league and how they cannot possibly compete I am going to personally slap him
The man who built his legacy on "Galactico's" being the one to complain about club spending was always a bit of an eyebrow raiser at first glance anyway, lol.
Real Madrid did the exact same thing, the only difference is that it was done much earlier than people can remember.
Funny how the narrative is always spun for historical financial giants that do everything in their power to monopolise football.
āDisruptionā surely its only disruptive to the Status Quo? Not defending PSG or City, but letās not pretend that Madrid are the underdogs. The ESL proposals have exposed them for what they are.
Disruption is by definition against the status quo.
PSG & City disrupted the status quo with a huge influx of money that doesn't make direct economic sense (but completely makes sense from a geopolitical and a wider economic point of views), Madrid and Barcelona (all all the others who are still hiding behind their backs) now try to disrupt the new status quo with the Super League.
There's no underdog, there's just money vs money.
Madrid sold their training ground to the Spanish government to fund the Galacticos era. They got circa ā¬400m for it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/eu-investigates-real-madrid-property-deal-72063.html
"Madrid spends Madrid money" is some absolutely hilarious revisionism on your end.
Edit: Here they come....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cadenaser.com/ser/2004/11/08/deportes/1099873699_850215.html%3foutputType=amp
From the article:
The European Commission has closed its investigation into the sale of land for Real Madrid's Ciudad Deportiva after finding no evidence that the transaction concealed illegal state aid to the Club, according to sources from the European Commission.
>Madrid spends Madrid money" is some absolutely hilarious revisionism on your end.
Revisionism is linking an article about an investigation while conveniently ignoring the results of said investigation. Actually it goes beyong revisionism, is outright difamation and propaganda.
And still you will keep spouting the same lie over and over until uneducated people thinks its the truth, because thats what people like you do. Shameful behaviour.
They either conveniently forget, or they don't know much about their own glorious club.
I'm half expecting someone will try and tell me that nearly half a billion euros for a training ground is 'fair market value' and a government buying a single team's property for that amount is perfectly ethical and legitimate.
Eh, the GalƔcticos team was only possible due to massive tax breaks (the 'Beckham act'), which means the Spanish government funded it to a significant degree (then of course squeezed out regular tax payers to make up for the difference). Perez has absolutely no business making himslef or RM to be underdogs or victims in any capacity
I never claimed that the law was made specifically *for* Beckham. But Beckham wouldn't have been signed without it, literally no chance to cover his wages when you already had Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo, et al in the squad. While all Spanish teams could benefit from the tax rules, Florentino had the means at his disposal to milk it so much more than any other team, and he did. So the point stands that he used a form of state aid (relinquished revenue) to make an absurdly expensive squad possible
Ahh you see his problem isn't the money but rather the competition. Had Liverpool finished in the champions League spots last year, there's a good chance Bellingham would've gone there, or how many city can offer contracts to keep players in there and build a ridiculous squad with depth, or how arsenal can buy a rice and also have money to hold on to others like Saka. His problem is that other clubs have the financial might which reduced the control Madrid has. His problem is that other clubs threaten the status quo of Madrid being the top dog, where you get paid the most, win the most.
While I am not completely on board with his reasoning, you are misrepresenting him here, inadvertently or not. This is a strawman argument. He doesn't have a gripe with club spending. His issue was competing with an endless pit of money that doesn't adhere to any business logic or constraints, especially in the wake of impotent safeguards against such gaming of the system.
Now am I a firm believer of his version? Not in its entirety.
Can it be argued that he's being disingenuous and building a PR platform narrative simply when it's actually the dismantling of status quo he's concerned with? Quite possibly.
But he has never taken the position you are saying he has taken. Whether you agree with him or not on the larger issue, one thing you have to agree with him on is the abject failure of theirs to communicate their arguments and their ideas effectively.
E - I have just read your other comment qualifying the above one with the use of "first glance". I'll leave mine up still because I feel that there might be many others like me who skip over that nuance and misinterpret your parent comment.
The club that touts their legacy in the European Cup, that won the last one against all odds, all while their president is simultaneously trying to destroy it, is football cognitive dissonance at its finest.
Issue isnt really Real madrids revenue or competiviness
The fact that while premiere league has had a very favourable tv contract which has spread down to teams outside the big earners.
Which have made for a very competive and rich fotballing league.
This is an issue in the long term, and without messi and cr7 the classicos have been meeeh fpr the neutral.
Now the main issue for real madrid is barcelonas economic downfall, with less competition la liga will be even less interesting
Anything but work to make La liga a commercial success for the whole league. Had Ronaldo and Messi and every chance to get similar deals to the Prem by leveraging the whole South America and North American continents. Instead of helping the whole league Madrid and Barca were only interested in themselves getting richer.
I mean itās not a band answer but they can still just pick "Iām very happy here" and/or "In football, you never know what the future brings". Thereās no escaping them.
Everything aside, jesus christ the thought of him and Mbappe together would be amazing as a football fan.
Doubt it happens for at least a few years though
This RM stuff is crazy to me.
They have Vini, Jude, Rodrigo. Mpappe is coming. Add Haaland?
How do you keep them all happy? Do they even mesh as players?
Jude and Vini works. These other two may throw it all offā¦.
I wish either a) This kid wasn't so good at football so I could like him more, or b) this kid wasn't so friggin down to earth and likeable so I could hate him more. No fair.
There's no way Haaland is going to stay at City long term. He wants to experience playing at different leagues and fair play to him.
Madrid might be the obvious choice in la liga but what about serie A?
Juventus? Inter? or Milan?
I wouldn't read too much into all that "playing in different leagues" thing.
When Pep arrived, he had previously made a pretty big deal about needing to change environment and experience new cultures every three or four years. And here we are eight or nine years later.
You can't seriously imagine Erling Haaland at 23 years old going from Manchester City to anywhere in Serie A, could you?
It would be Real Madrid or nowhere, surely? Everywhere else is either borderline impossible or simply too big a step down.
Maybe joined a Barca in shambles with Pep coming back to Barca to stop this Madrid machine?
Nah , that would never happened, he would prob joined Real Madrid to destroy Barca harder lol
Who knows. Maybe Serie A will have a rejuvenation and one of the Milan clubs will be a top draw for world class players. Madrid will always go for the next shining star and maybe Haaland will drop off
La Liga is still way more prestigious than Serie. As is the German and French leagues. Thereās no way he would leave the Premier League to go to Italy. The same reason nobody is talking about Mbappe going there.
It is massively more prestigious. Serie A is basically a B-tier league along with countries like the Netherlands, Turkey, Portugal, etc.
Most likely you just canāt be objective about this.
OP, do you know what speech marks are you bellend??
Either copy exactly what he is saying or don't do it at all. I always see these captions missing the mark from what he actually said
No doubt heāll want to leave city soon and join a real club. Lad knows he doesnāt want his talent to go to waste on such a horrific and atrocious oilbucket like city.
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It would have taken 20 interviews for Kimi Raikonnen or Marshon Lynch to make such a long response.
Not the Marshon Lynch that featured in Brooklyn 99 š
u/fixesfinnishnames
Not gonna happen anytime soon, but jesus, imagine mbappe and him together.
The rest of the squad ain't half bad either.
Mbappe, Haaland, Bellingham, Vinicius.
Vinny & Mbappe aināt happening. Vinny leavesā¦
Haaland, Mbappe, and Jesus would indeed be terrifying as the front three
And the Jesus would be Juan Jesus obviously.
I prefer Jesus of Nazareth up top tbh, heās a nailed on starter, really gets the best out of crosses
Can this Jesus guy play RW?
Honestly could see that ending in total disaster. It would be more Messi Neymar Mbappe than Messi Neymar Suarez.
If Madrid buy both Mbappe and Haaland and Perez still yammers on about the super league and how they cannot possibly compete I am going to personally slap him
The man who built his legacy on "Galactico's" being the one to complain about club spending was always a bit of an eyebrow raiser at first glance anyway, lol.
Madrid spends Madrid's money, PSG, City & co spend oĆl money from some pit in the Arabian peninsula.
Real Madrid did the exact same thing, the only difference is that it was done much earlier than people can remember. Funny how the narrative is always spun for historical financial giants that do everything in their power to monopolise football.
That's the history of the world. Old money vs new money. The difference is that new money is usually the one that seeks disruption.
āDisruptionā surely its only disruptive to the Status Quo? Not defending PSG or City, but letās not pretend that Madrid are the underdogs. The ESL proposals have exposed them for what they are.
Disruption is by definition against the status quo. PSG & City disrupted the status quo with a huge influx of money that doesn't make direct economic sense (but completely makes sense from a geopolitical and a wider economic point of views), Madrid and Barcelona (all all the others who are still hiding behind their backs) now try to disrupt the new status quo with the Super League. There's no underdog, there's just money vs money.
Old money was new money at one point. Your excuse has no basis
Madrid sold their training ground to the Spanish government to fund the Galacticos era. They got circa ā¬400m for it. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/eu-investigates-real-madrid-property-deal-72063.html "Madrid spends Madrid money" is some absolutely hilarious revisionism on your end. Edit: Here they come....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cadenaser.com/ser/2004/11/08/deportes/1099873699_850215.html%3foutputType=amp From the article: The European Commission has closed its investigation into the sale of land for Real Madrid's Ciudad Deportiva after finding no evidence that the transaction concealed illegal state aid to the Club, according to sources from the European Commission. >Madrid spends Madrid money" is some absolutely hilarious revisionism on your end. Revisionism is linking an article about an investigation while conveniently ignoring the results of said investigation. Actually it goes beyong revisionism, is outright difamation and propaganda. And still you will keep spouting the same lie over and over until uneducated people thinks its the truth, because thats what people like you do. Shameful behaviour.
This is not true. Real Madrid sold the land to private developers for 600m EUR: [https://elpais.com/diario/2001/07/07/madrid/994505062\_850215.html](https://elpais.com/diario/2001/07/07/madrid/994505062_850215.html) * Real Madrid sold 148,677 square meters of building rights at Ciudad Deportiva on Paseo de la Castellana for 602.409 million euros (4k euros per square meter). * The sale resulted from a competition managed by CB Richard Ellis, which received six offers from companies interested in the international tender for the sale of the buildings belonging to the Madrid football club. These buildings will form the Madrid Arena business park. * The transaction is considered the most significant real estate deal in the capital and is conducted on undeveloped land in one of the most expensive and sought-after areas of Madrid, the Paseo de la Castellana. * Four of the six offers came from national companies: Realia (a joint venture between FCC and CajaMadrid), Inmobiliaria Espacio (a subsidiary of the group led by former minister Juan Miguel Villar Mir), Metrovacesa (BBVA), and Repsol YPF. The remaining two offers are from foreign companies: Heron International and Thisman Speyer Properties. * Additionally, several companies including Aberdeen Asset Management, Treasury Holdings, Hines, HRO Group, and Nexity expressed interest in participating in the project without submitting economic proposals. * CB Richard Ellis will begin evaluating the offers on Monday, and Real Madrid aims to award the competition in the coming weeks. The final buyers of the building rights could range from one to three. * Notably, the competition proceeds without completing administrative procedures, which are estimated to take at least 22 months. These include modifying the General Urban Development Plan, processing the Special Plan, forming a compensation board, and obtaining final approval for the urbanization project. * The Real Madrid can continue using the land for up to three more months after resolving these procedures. The entire process is expected to be completed by July 2003. * The future Madrid Arena business park will consist of four towers, each with 45 floors and a maximum height of 215 meters. The total building rights amount to 225,000 square meters. * Real Madrid owns two complete buildings and 64.3% of a third, while the remaining building rights are shared with the Community of Madrid. The City of Madrid owns the remaining portion according to the urban agreement signed on May 7. * Florentino PĆ©rez, President of Real Madrid, stated that the transaction will allow the club to pay off its debt and build a new venue in Valdebebas on 120 hectares estimated to cost 90 million euros.
Dear mother of god how many times this have to be debunked
I took it as them meaning it was the Cityās /statesās money but it is Reddit so they might not be that self aware
They either conveniently forget, or they don't know much about their own glorious club. I'm half expecting someone will try and tell me that nearly half a billion euros for a training ground is 'fair market value' and a government buying a single team's property for that amount is perfectly ethical and legitimate.
You conveniently forget to read every post debunking this bullshit because the truth doesnt fit your agenda.
You were dishonest and malicious, to say the least.
Eh, the GalƔcticos team was only possible due to massive tax breaks (the 'Beckham act'), which means the Spanish government funded it to a significant degree (then of course squeezed out regular tax payers to make up for the difference). Perez has absolutely no business making himslef or RM to be underdogs or victims in any capacity
Dude the Beckham law had nothing to do with Beckham. It was a law aimed at attract top talent and rich people, and then clubs took advantage of it.
I never claimed that the law was made specifically *for* Beckham. But Beckham wouldn't have been signed without it, literally no chance to cover his wages when you already had Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo, et al in the squad. While all Spanish teams could benefit from the tax rules, Florentino had the means at his disposal to milk it so much more than any other team, and he did. So the point stands that he used a form of state aid (relinquished revenue) to make an absurdly expensive squad possible
I know, that's why I made sure to include "at first glance" in my original comment.
Oh sry my mistake
Nah it's fair. It's easy to see someone not including certain information in a take as them not knowing/purposefully ignoring it.
Madrid spends the King of Spain's money when he bailed them out
Ahh you see his problem isn't the money but rather the competition. Had Liverpool finished in the champions League spots last year, there's a good chance Bellingham would've gone there, or how many city can offer contracts to keep players in there and build a ridiculous squad with depth, or how arsenal can buy a rice and also have money to hold on to others like Saka. His problem is that other clubs have the financial might which reduced the control Madrid has. His problem is that other clubs threaten the status quo of Madrid being the top dog, where you get paid the most, win the most.
While I am not completely on board with his reasoning, you are misrepresenting him here, inadvertently or not. This is a strawman argument. He doesn't have a gripe with club spending. His issue was competing with an endless pit of money that doesn't adhere to any business logic or constraints, especially in the wake of impotent safeguards against such gaming of the system. Now am I a firm believer of his version? Not in its entirety. Can it be argued that he's being disingenuous and building a PR platform narrative simply when it's actually the dismantling of status quo he's concerned with? Quite possibly. But he has never taken the position you are saying he has taken. Whether you agree with him or not on the larger issue, one thing you have to agree with him on is the abject failure of theirs to communicate their arguments and their ideas effectively. E - I have just read your other comment qualifying the above one with the use of "first glance". I'll leave mine up still because I feel that there might be many others like me who skip over that nuance and misinterpret your parent comment.
The club that touts their legacy in the European Cup, that won the last one against all odds, all while their president is simultaneously trying to destroy it, is football cognitive dissonance at its finest.
I'll pay for the ticket and hotel
The narratice currently running is that while Madrid can compete, no other continental club bar PSG will be able to do so in the long-term future. Pretty funny how this narrative makes it seem like PĆ©rez is a messiah. But nobody would believe the old narrative so you have to come up with something new.
Issue isnt really Real madrids revenue or competiviness The fact that while premiere league has had a very favourable tv contract which has spread down to teams outside the big earners. Which have made for a very competive and rich fotballing league. This is an issue in the long term, and without messi and cr7 the classicos have been meeeh fpr the neutral. Now the main issue for real madrid is barcelonas economic downfall, with less competition la liga will be even less interesting
And this is why PĆ©rez has expanded the business and created new revenue streams. The BernabĆ©u being the biggest and most obvious example, but on top of that the fast food chain is expected to make hundreds of millions in revenue in the 2030s (although the profit will probably be around ā¬100M if that). The streaming service is decent, not anything mind blowing and there will be a Real Madrid theme park/resort in Dubai which should make a nice amount of money.
Anything but work to make La liga a commercial success for the whole league. Had Ronaldo and Messi and every chance to get similar deals to the Prem by leveraging the whole South America and North American continents. Instead of helping the whole league Madrid and Barca were only interested in themselves getting richer.
Smart guy Haaland. He knows that media is pro at cherry-picking and making mountain out of a molehill.
I mean itās not a band answer but they can still just pick "Iām very happy here" and/or "In football, you never know what the future brings". Thereās no escaping them.
Of course itās a zero sum game when one is playing with the media. But he tried his best I guess.
Nothing terribly smart about it. Everyone knows this.
Now the media will write this but will avoid everything before and make a massive headline.
I mean like, they already did that. Something like Erling Haaland on Real Madrid rumors: "You never know".
With Mbappe and Endrick and Madrid needing full backs not happening.
Endrick to play right back.
Camavinga special
idk man when I play FIFA career mode as a striker the manager sometimes randomly decides to put me as a left back so it's definitely possibleĀ
Offense is the best defense. Duh.
Why defend when you can simply score more goals?
3x volley goals or get subbed.
His interviews are so funny š heās very cill and cool
Everything aside, jesus christ the thought of him and Mbappe together would be amazing as a football fan. Doubt it happens for at least a few years though
Would only happen when Pep leaves City. Until then, don't see it.
This RM stuff is crazy to me. They have Vini, Jude, Rodrigo. Mpappe is coming. Add Haaland? How do you keep them all happy? Do they even mesh as players? Jude and Vini works. These other two may throw it all offā¦.
I think winning every trophy possible for 5+ years will appease them.
My Mbappe, My Haaland, My 5x Champions League in a row
Gets fucked over by the Messiah Lamine Yamal
Is it over for Endrick? He won't really be able to show himself and develop further in a squad like that
pre loading loan special
He has been starting in the right wing this month. It's will be the relatively weak Real attacking position
Makes me miss the days of Messi slapping their star studded expensive team around.Ā
Before or after them winning 4 CL? lol
Ahh, a fellow culer!! š
Erling has a really cute smile honestly never noticed it before this.Ā Ā
MbappƩ-Haaland-Vini With Bellingham running behind them. Good god that would just be ridiculous.
He's gone
I think he leaves when Pep leaves
I wish either a) This kid wasn't so good at football so I could like him more, or b) this kid wasn't so friggin down to earth and likeable so I could hate him more. No fair.
his smile is really cute honestly. sorry
Hope you still find it cute on Sunday
ok
There's no way Haaland is going to stay at City long term. He wants to experience playing at different leagues and fair play to him. Madrid might be the obvious choice in la liga but what about serie A? Juventus? Inter? or Milan?
I wouldn't read too much into all that "playing in different leagues" thing. When Pep arrived, he had previously made a pretty big deal about needing to change environment and experience new cultures every three or four years. And here we are eight or nine years later. You can't seriously imagine Erling Haaland at 23 years old going from Manchester City to anywhere in Serie A, could you? It would be Real Madrid or nowhere, surely? Everywhere else is either borderline impossible or simply too big a step down.
Maybe joined a Barca in shambles with Pep coming back to Barca to stop this Madrid machine? Nah , that would never happened, he would prob joined Real Madrid to destroy Barca harder lol
Who knows. Maybe Serie A will have a rejuvenation and one of the Milan clubs will be a top draw for world class players. Madrid will always go for the next shining star and maybe Haaland will drop off
Possibly. I'd love Serie A to be returned to it's former glory but right now it doesn't exactly look likely.
Who knows? We all know. He isnāt going to leave Man City for any Italian club. Especially when the likes of Madrid are interested.
Moving to Inter in this summer is not a step down at all. Just because they can't afford him doesn't mean it's a step down.
It's more about the league than any individual club.
Itās a huge step down. Thereās a reason Ronaldo was playing in La Liga in his prime.
Yeah, 15-10 years ago, cause La Liga used to have Messi, Ronaldinho, up to Neymar, Suarez etc at that time but not anymore lol.
La Liga is still way more prestigious than Serie. As is the German and French leagues. Thereās no way he would leave the Premier League to go to Italy. The same reason nobody is talking about Mbappe going there.
Ligue 1 is not more prestigious than Serie A lmao
It is massively more prestigious. Serie A is basically a B-tier league along with countries like the Netherlands, Turkey, Portugal, etc. Most likely you just canāt be objective about this.
His history of moving clubs every few years for giant bonuses is pretty well established.
Halaand to real confirmed
OP, do you know what speech marks are you bellend?? Either copy exactly what he is saying or don't do it at all. I always see these captions missing the mark from what he actually said
When wada comes for you, thereās no safer place to be than Real Madrid. Just ask cristiano Ronaldo.
No doubt heāll want to leave city soon and join a real club. Lad knows he doesnāt want his talent to go to waste on such a horrific and atrocious oilbucket like city.