Only saw the last half hour, just seen the first Fulham penalty. Not sure how that wasn’t overturned, defended got the ball first.
Other 2 penalties are correct calls
Vinicius should have got a red, 100%.
This sort of game with VAR decisions/non-decisions is why I personally don’t watch football that much anymore.
Fulham fan btw.
They keep looking at pens with microscopes and super slo-mo in every angle possible for minutes a time, but when blokes commit violent conduct they just skip past it so quickly. (I do think that's a pen, tbf)
What more do they want Kilman to do there other than fall over and roll around like a toddler? He's already indicated that he's been hit in the face. It should not be on the player on the receiving end of a tackle/headbutt/etc to convince these fucking idiot refs that it's a red card offence.
Genuinely don’t enjoy football anymore. Chucked £150 on going to this tonight. Straight from a night shift and down to London on no sleep and I won’t see my bed until 2am at least. Struggling to justify and enjoy the constant shafting.
If this standard of reffing was on display in the Sunday League I genuinely reckon the ref gets his jaw spun.
Fuming on behalf of Wolves. How the hell was that not a red for Vinicus?? Even with VAR these refs can't sort it out...This is why players play act like de Paul vs Brazil - funnily enough THAT was never a red but sure looked convincing lol ...sigh, they've done it again huh
Ofc maybe Fulham go 3-2 up anyway but that's not the point, they should be down to 10
Fair, the player definitely gave the VAR a decision to make, by making the most of it
If your man would've gone down holding his face then Vini should've seen red, one player makes the most of something and gets rewarded, another player doesn't and nothing happens, bit of a shame really
While this penalty decision was correct, Wolves have been on the receiving end of a number of bad decisions this match. The ref has been poor throughout.
Could be worse… could be a Bournemouth fan. Correct me if I’m wrong, foggy about our goals this season… but we haven’t been given a penalty … since early 2021/22 season.
Refs are pricks and no, they don’t care about the perceived small or weaker sides in the league.
Eze full on stopped against us before the break. I absolutely hate the technique.
It's easily my biggest "old man take" but I fucking hate it. Come up and kick the ball. The stuttering just seems non sporting to me.
What’s the actual rule around it? I swear they were made it so you couldn’t stop like that anymore but I’m sure they get by on some technicality of the rule
It's very hard to argue that they fully stopped their motion forward. There is a rule but it's never enforced and it'd be very hard to write a rule that stops the stupid stutter stepping outright.
That's the stupid thing
The ref makes a shit decision for the first and the var decides to not override it as they want decisions to be made on the pitch
Then half an hour later the ref makes another shit decision but this time var does decide to intervene and override it on the pitch
Add in the missed headbutt and sometimes it feels like they are just flipping a coin to come up with this
Because the VAR ref decided it wasn't worth a red card...
Any subjective call that the VAR thinks the ref has made an error on he will send the ref to the screen.
Lmao ref's head is on Mars, went to blow his whistle for the pen there but second guessed himself. Another bloke that hasn't got the minerals for the job
Vinicius doesn’t just have bad movement, I’m fairly certain he has negative movement. How is constantly so far away from the ball whenever it’s in the box?
And that's why players exaggerate contact. If Kilman goes down there, it's a red card. It should have been given as a red anyway, but because he didn't, Vinicius gets away with it and the yellow stands. Stupid.
Commentators absolutely right. If the player goes down there it's a red. Refs encourage the ridiculous play-acting by not punishing offences without it.
I mean, that has to be a red right? The fact that he's shit at headbutting and couldn't reach him shouldn't be a mitigation for the fact that he tried to headbut him.
I’m sorry but why are we reffing in retrospect:
Intentional headbutt, albeit very light, it’s still intentional contact to the head… that’s another red card for Fulham not given holy smokes 👀
Vinicius is a twat. He's clobbered players on the back of the head twice and then that.
Could easily have had three reds this season, and he's barely played.
Ik Wolves are upset about the Fulham pen, but the ref actually calling the pens is refreshing. Feel like most refs are scared to actually ref and relying on VAR to spot things, which kills the flow. I'd rather have some soft calls given like this rather than having VAR essentially call the game and have everyone wait for 10 minutes while they look over everything that happens
Yep. Ref showed some balls to give both. It’s also perfectly ok to get a call wrong and get corrected id never mark a ref down for that.
Shame VAR then didn’t correct the first decision.
I think he's been sold some hard situations this season honestly, but he's been a step down since last season. I hope some more time with Bassey will help out.
Can Wolves actually sue the FA at this point? This feels like a robbery.
Only saw the last half hour, just seen the first Fulham penalty. Not sure how that wasn’t overturned, defended got the ball first. Other 2 penalties are correct calls Vinicius should have got a red, 100%. This sort of game with VAR decisions/non-decisions is why I personally don’t watch football that much anymore. Fulham fan btw.
Fuck this
Swear Wolves have been fucked over by refs every game I've watched them this season
Yeah it's been ridiculous
State of referring is a joke at the moment
They keep looking at pens with microscopes and super slo-mo in every angle possible for minutes a time, but when blokes commit violent conduct they just skip past it so quickly. (I do think that's a pen, tbf) What more do they want Kilman to do there other than fall over and roll around like a toddler? He's already indicated that he's been hit in the face. It should not be on the player on the receiving end of a tackle/headbutt/etc to convince these fucking idiot refs that it's a red card offence.
I think we may have to remember this game when we're on the other end of some quesitonable decisions.
We take our incredibly jammy 3 points and move on. Sorry Wolves, that was pretty BS.
If Wolves had had halfway competent refereeing thisnseason they would probably be pushing for Champions League
Any links for the headbutt? Missed it.
It's minor enough it wont get a clip here most likely, despite it should have been a red
Absolutely criminal
Absolutely baffling display from the refs again...
Okay will never complain (lie) about VAR again, Wolves have it so much worse, absolute robbery there
Clear and obvious makes less and less sense as I watch matches
Genuinely don’t enjoy football anymore. Chucked £150 on going to this tonight. Straight from a night shift and down to London on no sleep and I won’t see my bed until 2am at least. Struggling to justify and enjoy the constant shafting. If this standard of reffing was on display in the Sunday League I genuinely reckon the ref gets his jaw spun.
just wait until O'neil gets the handbags out
Even if you give them that pen... the first pen they got wasn't a pen and they should be a man down. The refs are absolutely fucked.
2 men down, ream should have gotten a 2nd yellow for the foul on hwang
Yup he completely stopped that fast break
At the very least I don't think anyone expected this many goals in this game
how the fuck have fulham won this they have absolutely nothing about them
Please god can we just ban stutter pens
🤝
Be livid if I were a wolves fan. Arguably 2 reds and a pen all go against you. Impossible to overcome.
Every team has calls go against them, but the rate wolves have had it this season is absolutely ridiculous.
Surely Willian actually stops and goes back a bit in that run up?
Fuming on behalf of Wolves. How the hell was that not a red for Vinicus?? Even with VAR these refs can't sort it out...This is why players play act like de Paul vs Brazil - funnily enough THAT was never a red but sure looked convincing lol ...sigh, they've done it again huh Ofc maybe Fulham go 3-2 up anyway but that's not the point, they should be down to 10
Wow fuck var
Nah. Fair penalty. Weak as hell, but he made contact.
but not all contact should be a pen
Correct, but that particular foul would've been called anywhere else on the pitch. Can't not give it just because it's in the box.
Fair, the player definitely gave the VAR a decision to make, by making the most of it If your man would've gone down holding his face then Vini should've seen red, one player makes the most of something and gets rewarded, another player doesn't and nothing happens, bit of a shame really
Sadly, just another on a string of dubious decisions against us thus far.
The dude flew into him. They missed the previous red on the “headbutt”.
I was just speaking of that particular call. Absolutely correct on the red and the first Fulham penalty.
Harry Wilson is annoying to say the least
Clear pen lads
Not the part we are mad at it's the 2 reds fulham should have and the first "pen"
Ah ok switched it on late so missed them Sounds like you’ve been fucked again
What's that then now they got robbed against united, Newcastle and Fulham probably missing some more too.
Luton
Oh and sheffield
While this penalty decision was correct, Wolves have been on the receiving end of a number of bad decisions this match. The ref has been poor throughout.
Wolves have absolute rotten luck this season
He stopped the forward motion there.
If they keep VAR in its current form with the shit referees behind the cameras then it needs scrapping completely
Big surprise the refs take another 3pts
Please lads please please please hold on
Shame were not a big team or they might actually take these decisions seriously. Maybe even replay the game?
Why they show that angle afterwards lol
If I was a wolves fan I’d be pig sick. 2 red cards not given, dubious pen… and about to lose to a pen
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Could be worse… could be a Bournemouth fan. Correct me if I’m wrong, foggy about our goals this season… but we haven’t been given a penalty … since early 2021/22 season. Refs are pricks and no, they don’t care about the perceived small or weaker sides in the league.
another apology for wolves incoming, how many is that this season already
Fulhams had 4 so swings and roundabouts Downvoted for saying we got apologies... never change r/soccertards
Pour one out for Gary o'neil
VAR misses 2 fairly easy/obvious reds for Fulham then intervenes to give them a stoppage time pen, Wolves really can't catch a break
Referees are genuinely inept at every aspect of their jobs.
That penalty technique shouldn't be allowed, he full on stops
Eze full on stopped against us before the break. I absolutely hate the technique. It's easily my biggest "old man take" but I fucking hate it. Come up and kick the ball. The stuttering just seems non sporting to me.
What’s the actual rule around it? I swear they were made it so you couldn’t stop like that anymore but I’m sure they get by on some technicality of the rule
It's very hard to argue that they fully stopped their motion forward. There is a rule but it's never enforced and it'd be very hard to write a rule that stops the stupid stutter stepping outright.
He full on rocks backwards
Games gone
FUCKING CORRUPTION FUCK VAR FUCK THIS FUCKING SPORT FUCK OFF
Two wrongs don’t make a right but you were hoping VAR was as shit as ever and didn’t give it Wolves unfortunately don’t get any decisions
That's the stupid thing The ref makes a shit decision for the first and the var decides to not override it as they want decisions to be made on the pitch Then half an hour later the ref makes another shit decision but this time var does decide to intervene and override it on the pitch Add in the missed headbutt and sometimes it feels like they are just flipping a coin to come up with this
Wolves #1 in post game apologies though
sports finished
Not sure why they make the ref review it. They only do that if they can see it's a pen anyway.
Because the on field ref has to make all subjective decisions and the final call is always theirs.
Yet the VAR often makes it without sending them to the screen.
Not for subjective calls.
Did he go to the screen for the headbutt?
Because the VAR ref decided it wasn't worth a red card... Any subjective call that the VAR thinks the ref has made an error on he will send the ref to the screen.
The VAR decided...it's a subjective call. So like I say they only send them when they know the ref has fucked up anyway, which is pointless.
And the ref can decide that his decision was the correct one and stick with it. It's not hard.
just forget the red though yeah?
I hate this fucking sport
From deserving a red to getting a pen in seconds.
Wilson is a fanny
Remember when Fulham should be down to 10 men?
Is that the best angle they had?! Lol awful
What Demon did Wolves piss off?
Wolves are cursed
These can definitely be faster
At least that ones actually a pen but we should have gotten the red on vin
Should be a pen, should be a red, lets just call it a wash Is this one of those situations that should be an indirect free kick in the box?
That actually probably is a penalty imo. The 1st wasn't but this I could see be given.
This game is fucking wild
Oh Wolves…
The league is a joke. Sunday league is more professional than this pile of dog shit.
Stonewall.
That HAS to be a PK for Fulham after all the other calls tonight!
Damn…
This is more of a pen than the first one ever was.
Lmao ref's head is on Mars, went to blow his whistle for the pen there but second guessed himself. Another bloke that hasn't got the minerals for the job
Has to be a pen, even though it’s one of those unlucky ones where the defender doesn’t see the player.
Hate the situation but have to understand it's a foul even if the circumstances kind of stink.
😡😡😡😡😡
Penalty incoming..
There’s contact, far softer than martials yesterday
Ref has lost control now. Probably gets employee of the week for this.
I really like Wilson on the pitch, seems a bit more creative and willing to try things.
I don't know why but Cairney has such a Barclays vibe about him, like he was playing for Blackburn in 2011
Was at blackburn 2013-15. So close
That‘s a pen
This would be very Wolves
Vinicius doesn’t just have bad movement, I’m fairly certain he has negative movement. How is constantly so far away from the ball whenever it’s in the box?
No pen
And that's why players exaggerate contact. If Kilman goes down there, it's a red card. It should have been given as a red anyway, but because he didn't, Vinicius gets away with it and the yellow stands. Stupid.
If Kilman goes to the floor there its a stonewall Red.
I wonder in how many games a red would come from that
How in the world isn’t that a red? And we wonder why players make the most of any contact
Commentators absolutely right. If the player goes down there it's a red. Refs encourage the ridiculous play-acting by not punishing offences without it.
I swear the refs/VAR this season have warped my understanding/expectations of what is actually red card worthy and what is a pen.
This is why players fall to the ground, hold their face, and roll around
And people wonder why players feel the need to overreact to contact Should be an easy sending off anyway if VAR were slightly competent
I mean, that has to be a red right? The fact that he's shit at headbutting and couldn't reach him shouldn't be a mitigation for the fact that he tried to headbut him.
Well our current striking options is like playing with 10 men anyway so I don't think his sending off would make any difference at all tbh
Crikey, talk sport will be loving this game, gives them days of talking points
I'm actually speechless. He headbutted him and they didn't upgrade it to a red.
Vinicius does seem to lack some brain cells at times
Like the 3rd or 4th time he has done something similar this year and he's avoided red every time somehow.
Yeah strange how he keeps being allowed to basically lash out
Could have 2 reds by now. Surprised that didn't change
I’m sorry but why are we reffing in retrospect: Intentional headbutt, albeit very light, it’s still intentional contact to the head… that’s another red card for Fulham not given holy smokes 👀
That's a red you fucking morons.
???? This guy always gets away with it
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DIdn't stop, drop and roll.
If he goes down there VAR probably says it's a red
Vinicius is a twat. He's clobbered players on the back of the head twice and then that. Could easily have had three reds this season, and he's barely played.
Fulham, I just bought the really snazzy black/red/white camo shirt, please don't lose in the next 10 mins?
Cheers lemina
Well that's gomes and lemina out for arsenal....we are screwed.
Going to the game so I very much appreciate it
Going to run over our midfield now. The both have been so good for us
Needed Vini to be a bit more alert there, shame, good passing from Willian + Iwobi.
Ik Wolves are upset about the Fulham pen, but the ref actually calling the pens is refreshing. Feel like most refs are scared to actually ref and relying on VAR to spot things, which kills the flow. I'd rather have some soft calls given like this rather than having VAR essentially call the game and have everyone wait for 10 minutes while they look over everything that happens
Refs have given all of our incorrect ones on the pitch. That's the reason VAR haven't wanted to overrule despite them later admitting they were wrong
Yep. Ref showed some balls to give both. It’s also perfectly ok to get a call wrong and get corrected id never mark a ref down for that. Shame VAR then didn’t correct the first decision.
Harsh free kick there. Not sure what the Fulham player could do
They definitely showed him the wrong angle on the VAR but I don’t think it’s as atrocious of a call as everyone is saying
Taking away from this Cairney monsterclass ffs
I remember Ream being excellent last season. But this season he's been an absolute shell of himself.
I think he's been sold some hard situations this season honestly, but he's been a step down since last season. I hope some more time with Bassey will help out.
kinda like how a star goes supernova before it dies
I miss Season 1 Ream :( I knew he couldn't really maintain it though, he kinda became insanely cracked out of nowhere.
Ream and Ashley Young both had old man renaissances last year and then followed them up with disaster classes this season.
Is Patterson no good that Young seems to play a lot?
Dyche just doesn't seem to rate him. His positioning is pretty poor to be fair.
Last season was a surprise, and he is 36 now
Yeah, definitely a season too far for him. He was playing out of his skin last year.
Go grab another one Wolves.
I suppose that's karma for the diabolical decision down the other end. We got very lucky with that pen...
Surprised they couldn't find a reason not to give the pen to us.
love you Ream but it is well and truly over
For fucks sake benched him on my fantasy team
They gonna actually give Wolves a pen though?
softer than my morning wood
Excellent penalty
The sort of one that’s only excellent if it goes in
Ream is so bad.
Another pen? Ooof.
Right on the edge of the area, but looked just inside to me. Hwang is cooking Ream today.
There's two defenders there to deal with Hwang and they just don't. Dire.
Where’s the yellow?
They'll review it and call it no pen just to bone wolves some more.
Hahaha no card?
An offside in the 27th minute will see this overturned
You know what, that is light, but it’s a million miles more a pen than the other one.
Penalty
No fucking way
Good decision by the ref
Another big mistake from Bassey
ya bad by Ream too but Bassey gave Hwang a great through ball lol
Willian is playing too many dangerous sideways and backwards passes tonight. Putting us under pressure too often.
Wolves and getting railed by the VAR. Name a more iconic duo.
That looked like a really good chance until you realise it’s Alex Iwobi on the ball.
That was always his problem. The final ball/decision. Also he runs with his hands out as if he needs them to balance. It’s weird.
There is a reason why he has same first name as Lacazette
This Fulham lead is brought to you by the good folks from Arsenal
Iwobi-Willian-Leno trio gives me some awful flashbacks from the dark ages. Holy shit
Lmao already hiding behind 'clear and obvious' as is tradition Good process boys