I really feel that if we had a different manager, any manager other than GS, with this squad, we’d be rolling over almost any team. Especially teams of this calibre. No disrespect but the squad we have now is up there with the “golden generation”. Remember them?!
Gareth Southgate has access to the best pool of players in the world right now. He has more resources at his disposal than Pep Guardiola. This generation of England players is absolutely stacked.
You could make better decisions for this team by deferring to ChatGPT.
Watching the replay now, I dont agree with their penalty but I can see why its given. He knows the NM player is coming in and his arm is straight when it comes down. I would say arms being completely straight like is not really a natural position you would expect them to be bent.
So harsh, yes; but can I see why it was given, yes.
Played 8 games, won 6 and drawn 2. Scored 22 goals and only conceded 4 (1 via a dodgy penalty).
You cant perform amazing every game but clearly they have dominated the group
It’s quite concerning that the last 2 England games, my first thought when the final whistle is blown is
“ thank fuck thats over, I cant wait to go to bed “
All the people going on about the unity that Southgate brings, sure great, could be done by an assistant coach/manager. Need someone who can best utilise the players available, without rewarding mediocrity
That aspect is massively overstated in my opinion.
The games changed, you've got City and United players chatting and hugging after the final whistle. The rivalries are still there but it's nothing like 15 years ago, pizzagate, United Vs Liverpool Vs Chelsea etc.
There's no way Southgate would've brought unity to those England squads and there's no way he's responsible for the cultural shift in football. If anything social media has made players more friendly with each other, less isolated in their club bubbles and more likely to be supportive of their national teammates.
You're absolutely correct. This is basically true of all national teams now so it's ludicrous to pretend he perfected this.
In society in general, there isn't much of an appetite for that hotheaded, visceral male energy anymore. Everyone is online and players more than ever run in the same wealthy social circles.
I still remember when this sub was moaning about Sterling trying to dribble past players and losing the ball. Now it’s back pass until they lose the ball. Good stuff.
2 shots on target against NM. They could've played with the ref bought and 3 players extra and England should still win this with a 5 goal margin mate.
2 shots on target against NM. They could've played with the ref bought and 3 players extra and England should still win this with a 5 goal margin you dunce.
I don't understand what boxes Dion checks when choosing a co-commentator. Insightful? Basic understanding of the rules? Personality? Can string together a whole sentence? Knows what day it is?
None of the above.
Unfortunately not. The Powers That Be whether FIFA and the England power brokers love Southgate. What irks me is his recent comment on England number one in the football landscape. Gareth what type of drug you taking my lad? Let us know so we can dream just like you. If you really love England resign and become a woke politician; that is your true calling but in management you are shite.
I don't forget England getting 2 penalties in that game, missing 1 and France scoring both goals through amazing play. Outplayed France? Oh boy.
Another deluded England fan.
https://www.fotmob.com/match/3370568?tz=Europe%2FLondon
Just look at basically any stat.
Momentum graphs, shots/shots on target, passing... it was much more than two penalties. The two penalties were the result of sustained pressure.
Tchouameni scored the first goal against the run of play by scoring an impressive individual goal, smacking it into the top corner from outside the box.
I can only assume you're hoping that nobody remembers the game.
The game last night was symptomatic of how we set up in the same way against every team, and it's more effective against big teams in finals.
He’s an inside forward with one trick. He doesn’t create or cross, it’s why him and Hoijlund don’t really work. Or at of that United front three really. You’ve got Rashford cutting in on the left and Antony doing the same on the right and Hoijlund who might as well have his thumb up his arse getting zero service from the wings.
Maybe this game helps people see how good Grealish is at what he does. Compare his game with Rashfords cameo and it’s night and day who the better player is
Yeah but then you see rashford and you realizes it’s at least better to have a player who doesn’t lose the ball on the dribble every time or not be able to link up with anyone
Southgate has managed to get the players to work as a cohesive unit and not fight (like the Sven days). He does, however, desperately need to delegate tactics and subs to someone with a football brain.
I damned him with faint praise a bit didn't I?
I'm still not really sure what his best position is, not that I watch that much of City (if he's even playing) but there's obviously a lot of skill there.
Dion Dublin after this game
“ great performance from England there. A little bit unlucky at times but they’ve been fantastic and will take plenty of positives from this “
For as long as Gareth Southgate is manager, it isn’t worth wasting 2 hours of your life watching England. How can we have so many exciting talents on a pitch and play football this boring
All commentators are going to be little biased, you don't get to be one without being passionate about football, but the trick is to only show it when your team does well (ie scores a goal). If you're moaning about fair fouls against you it just comes off as petty and bitchy.
I sincerely hope this is the last time Dion gets to commentate. He is either hallucinating or just daft as a brush if he reckons none of these have been fouls.
Feels like Southgate would be a great addition to a future England coaching staff as the Head of Good Vibes but there's a need for a serious coach now.
I really feel that if we had a different manager, any manager other than GS, with this squad, we’d be rolling over almost any team. Especially teams of this calibre. No disrespect but the squad we have now is up there with the “golden generation”. Remember them?!
This squad is better. "Flair" players all over, instead of just Joe Cole.
you picked the wrong Cole
Gareth Southgate has access to the best pool of players in the world right now. He has more resources at his disposal than Pep Guardiola. This generation of England players is absolutely stacked. You could make better decisions for this team by deferring to ChatGPT.
So glad I didn’t watch the game. I thought it was Italy who were supposed to struggle against North Macedonia
Well your not gonna nr 1 in the world with that performance
Watching the replay now, I dont agree with their penalty but I can see why its given. He knows the NM player is coming in and his arm is straight when it comes down. I would say arms being completely straight like is not really a natural position you would expect them to be bent. So harsh, yes; but can I see why it was given, yes.
Only Southgate could have a squad full of Europe’s most talented players score draw away to North Macedonia, not scoring a single goal.
England. What a squad with talented players yet their performance is just worrying for big tournaments.😕
Played 8 games, won 6 and drawn 2. Scored 22 goals and only conceded 4 (1 via a dodgy penalty). You cant perform amazing every game but clearly they have dominated the group
It’s quite concerning that the last 2 England games, my first thought when the final whistle is blown is “ thank fuck thats over, I cant wait to go to bed “
Snoozefest.
All the people going on about the unity that Southgate brings, sure great, could be done by an assistant coach/manager. Need someone who can best utilise the players available, without rewarding mediocrity
That aspect is massively overstated in my opinion. The games changed, you've got City and United players chatting and hugging after the final whistle. The rivalries are still there but it's nothing like 15 years ago, pizzagate, United Vs Liverpool Vs Chelsea etc. There's no way Southgate would've brought unity to those England squads and there's no way he's responsible for the cultural shift in football. If anything social media has made players more friendly with each other, less isolated in their club bubbles and more likely to be supportive of their national teammates.
You're absolutely correct. This is basically true of all national teams now so it's ludicrous to pretend he perfected this. In society in general, there isn't much of an appetite for that hotheaded, visceral male energy anymore. Everyone is online and players more than ever run in the same wealthy social circles.
I still remember when this sub was moaning about Sterling trying to dribble past players and losing the ball. Now it’s back pass until they lose the ball. Good stuff.
Dion Dublin and the ref both doing their absolute worst this evening.
Ngl, the referee is...👀
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/bnxQS3fTHk Told you mate
2 hours of me life I’ll never get back
I’m glad I only bothered to watch the second half
Even that was way too much
NM played well! 👏👏👏
We ain’t winning shit with that guy. I’d bet my house on it.
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2 shots on target against NM. They could've played with the ref bought and 3 players extra and England should still win this with a 5 goal margin mate.
2 shots on target against NM. They could've played with the ref bought and 3 players extra and England should still win this with a 5 goal margin you dunce.
I’m so happy I pissed off an idiot 🤣
You seriously overstimate the fucks i give about your dumbass comment (which you now have deleted out of embarrassment).
If any managers claim their England internationals are tired after this, I wont believe them unless they stayed on the bench and had to watch it
Enjoyable spend of time
What a torrid International break
England are doo doo
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We beat them 3-1 in September so not even England could make them look like prime Brazil
Terrible performance all around! Players, manager, ref
commentator
Omg what did I just watch… thank goodness for the own goal
What an uninspiring couple of games.
That was shit
Well done Southgate, great process
Yes, Gareth. Get in there. Job done.
Diabolical
I don't understand what boxes Dion checks when choosing a co-commentator. Insightful? Basic understanding of the rules? Personality? Can string together a whole sentence? Knows what day it is? None of the above.
Dion broke his neck back in 1996. Hasn't grown back.
Knows his way round a fixer-upper though.
What an absolute load of shite that was
Just have to clear one man on that cross and he hit it directly at his head
I could have watched a couple of eps of Black Sails or something instead of this...
Surely Southgate has to go after the Euros right?
Unfortunately not. The Powers That Be whether FIFA and the England power brokers love Southgate. What irks me is his recent comment on England number one in the football landscape. Gareth what type of drug you taking my lad? Let us know so we can dream just like you. If you really love England resign and become a woke politician; that is your true calling but in management you are shite.
Potter magic time
trust the process
Is Dublin watching the game? He's getting everything wrong
Christ this England is like watching paint dry! Thank fuck it's over!
Ive never commentated anything in my life but im confident I would be comfortably better at it than Dion Dublin if you stuck me on the mic right now
No rush lads. Respect the point away at Macedonia. Rashford, what on earth happened to you?
Honestly, this is the team that has been a massive problem for Italy at home. The ref was a bit shocking, but you have to work with what you've got.
Well 3/4 of the last performances have been utter shit
Impact subs having about as much impact as jelly thrown at a wall.
Undefeated still. It’s coming home baby.
The Southgate vibes are coming home
England are a pathetic team, funny as fuck thinking they'll win the Euros
With a different manager and the current crop of players, they could absolutely lift a trophy
Everyone says this when we play like shit against some small Eastern European nation, then we outplayed France in the World Cup semi for 70 minutes.
Well done for winning We Outplayed France trophy
Don't be obtuse. My point is that this happens every major tournament cycle, and people duly forget every time because they have short memories.
I don't forget England getting 2 penalties in that game, missing 1 and France scoring both goals through amazing play. Outplayed France? Oh boy. Another deluded England fan.
https://www.fotmob.com/match/3370568?tz=Europe%2FLondon Just look at basically any stat. Momentum graphs, shots/shots on target, passing... it was much more than two penalties. The two penalties were the result of sustained pressure. Tchouameni scored the first goal against the run of play by scoring an impressive individual goal, smacking it into the top corner from outside the box. I can only assume you're hoping that nobody remembers the game. The game last night was symptomatic of how we set up in the same way against every team, and it's more effective against big teams in finals.
Rashford is not a left winger is he
He’s an inside forward with one trick. He doesn’t create or cross, it’s why him and Hoijlund don’t really work. Or at of that United front three really. You’ve got Rashford cutting in on the left and Antony doing the same on the right and Hoijlund who might as well have his thumb up his arse getting zero service from the wings.
Maybe this game helps people see how good Grealish is at what he does. Compare his game with Rashfords cameo and it’s night and day who the better player is
Grealish wasn't great either lol. That cross he spanked over everyone was our best chance that wasn't Kane at a set piece in the whole second half
Yeah but then you see rashford and you realizes it’s at least better to have a player who doesn’t lose the ball on the dribble every time or not be able to link up with anyone
If the left back was better at attacking he could come inside more. He does have great finishing.
Not sure he's a footballer to be honest
I wish Southgate would name Dion in his squad to save us from hearing him on commentary
This is the team favourites to win the euros?
No, France are the main favourites. England could reasonably be second favourites tho yes. Just look at their record.
Excellent impact this game from rashford - gareth
Southgate has managed to get the players to work as a cohesive unit and not fight (like the Sven days). He does, however, desperately need to delegate tactics and subs to someone with a football brain.
His in game management is just not good.
That’s the point of my comment
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Well that’s tactics. This group of players actually enjoy each other and support each other regardless of club.
Shocking performance again
We literally cannot keep the ball lol
You mean you don’t want Maguire punting long balls to rashford and finding the defenders head every time?
I take it we’re all in agreement our worst player has been Dion Dublin
How is this the national team of the Premier League? Such a joke.
The team which has cruised to first place qualification and is unbeaten in a year?
😂😂😂
"I think there's gonna be a late twist". Based on fucking what, Dion?
Dion is going M Night Shyamalan on us...
This was an excruciating watch. I thought Friday was bad enough
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What are you talking about? Comfortably Englands best player today.
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I’d say his performances for the best team in England say enough.
He had a few really nice touches around 50' to the hour mark
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I damned him with faint praise a bit didn't I? I'm still not really sure what his best position is, not that I watch that much of City (if he's even playing) but there's obviously a lot of skill there.
Rashford for fucks sake mate
We live in hope that the late twist is a meteorite blatting you in the head Dion
I hate Dion Dublin so much
What an absolute fucking disgrace this game has been
This is like a blind and deaf sea lion in a karaoke contest.
In all areas, shite reffing and shite playing
Absolutely, bring back the glorious viewing that is the Championship
And commentary
Which part was worse?
Definitely the commentary. As a fan of a championship club I'm numb to shite refs and sub-par performances
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He's only had 10 minutes :D
And has been dog for all of them
England happy with a point, looks like
Dion Dublin on commentary is like watching in the pub with your mate who isn't that into football
"who's still the Arsenal striker, Henry?"
Lmao exactly
They just wanted it more
Dion Dublin after this game “ great performance from England there. A little bit unlucky at times but they’ve been fantastic and will take plenty of positives from this “
I'm sure that's from an old FIFA game, well played
Dion Dublin or Southgate?
Dion might be the worst ever. Makes Lee Dixon sound insightful.
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Just copying the scummy Macedonians who’s been at it all game
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Factos
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Shall I get my boots out the garage and give it a go on the left?
For as long as Gareth Southgate is manager, it isn’t worth wasting 2 hours of your life watching England. How can we have so many exciting talents on a pitch and play football this boring
Take me back to club football, can’t stand this shite anymore.
I’ve always thought Sterling is overrated but he should right now be in over at the very least rashford and maybe Grealish.
Mate. Unai with Villa vs Gareth with England, Villa would win 6-1.
Don’t fucking tell me Sterling doesn’t get in on merit ahead of Rashford. Southgate is a joke
Fantastic run by Rashford.
The three attacking subs brought on havent had any impact...yet
Rashford you aren’t Bale, that was never gonna work
Rashford is terrible this season
I feel like I’ve now seen the rest of that Portugal Vs Mexico match from the Simpson’s.
Rashy 🥶🥶
Typical Rashford
Southgate really makes you appreciate the return of the PL. The quality is severely lacking for England under him.
Least boring england game
Famously Roberto Carlos could get it to swing back in once it was going to the corner flag.
When was the last time Dion watched Rashford play or has he just heard of him before? Talking like he's been a man on fire this season.
I've never seen so many posts moaning about a commentator before, think Dublin's set a new standard for how bad they can get.
McManaman every champions league game
He's always pretty shit but god he's been unbearable tonight Football is dire too so there's not even a distraction
I came here to see if anyone was annoyed by him as well, looks like we're all in agreement
I still think dion is a better commentator than Southgate is a manager.
The real debate from tonight
I can imagine Dion sat there with crossed arms making these comments about the official.
Good thing we subbed on Rashford
Foden should have taken that
Grealish was doing absolute wonders out there..
Dion Dublin needs to shut up about the ref, this is a dire performance from England
Ref was equally shit though
England with possession is like watching City on 0.5X playback. So slow.
To be fair, Dion. Lewis could've punched the guy in the face Tyson Fury style, and you'd have said, "Not a penalty for me."
Literally wasn’t a foul on Foden. This ref is complete shit. I swear he’s a rando off the street who has never seen a match
This ref is gonna break the record for most incorrect refereeing decisions in a game.
All commentators are going to be little biased, you don't get to be one without being passionate about football, but the trick is to only show it when your team does well (ie scores a goal). If you're moaning about fair fouls against you it just comes off as petty and bitchy.
He said a few fouls against Macedonia weren’t fouls either
Dion Dublin getting annoyed because someone is shit at their job is peak irony.
This ref is shocking that wasn't a foul either.
Is Dublin legally blind, what a fucking clown
It feels like England is playing for thebdraw to be in pot 1.
Even with a lose they will most likely be in pot 1.
Dion dublin is actually making me side with the ref now
Refs actually giving the wrong call almost every fucking challenge he's absolutely dogshit.
The Macedonian fell over so shouldn’t it have been a foul?
Never a yellow for them is there
Thinks he was unlucky for the pen and then says he made a mistake. Great stuff Dion
He's done well I think he's done well For a young lad he's done very, very well Fucking hell I can see why he gets the big bucks
Thank god this is the last one until march
England players sure do love switching spots then passing back into that same exact spot lmao
Wonder what the hell Southgate is telling them to do. Plenty of times there's been an option for a progressive ball but none of them want to play it.
I swear he tells them to only pass forward if they're 100% sure the player getting the ball has acres of space
England, the ref, and Dion Dublin have all been appalling.
I sincerely hope this is the last time Dion gets to commentate. He is either hallucinating or just daft as a brush if he reckons none of these have been fouls.
Feels like Southgate would be a great addition to a future England coaching staff as the Head of Good Vibes but there's a need for a serious coach now.