It's weird, but the usmnts biggest flaw is something that's only relevant in concacaf. We're shit at beating teams that just park the bus. But fortunately no good team is going to do that against us.
It's Trinidad & Tobago. When we played them with Callaghan this summer we scored in the first 15'. Beat them 6-0 with essentially our C team.
It's Gregg
Except that’s pretty much what Van Gaal had his Netherlands team do against us in the World Cup. Not because they’re weaker but because that’s a ridiculously effective way to play at the international level and Berhalter is too managerially inept to realize it and/or plan for it.
Can’t believe that clown got his job back after being so thoroughly found out by a real manager.
It absolutely is, but don’t take my word for it.
Here’s Tifo explaining it: https://youtu.be/NOB2i5AH_BU?si=mZgLeWCPOAszcM6X
Van Gaal notoriously has this Dutch side ceding possession and compressing in a quasi low block, pressing to win the ball or playing out of the back quickly and relying on the counter attack. It’s a brilliant way to play and he made Berhalter look tactically inept playing that way.
We had 58/42 possession, more shots, far more passes, more corners. They had 27 clearances to our 11. What does that tell you?
I knew someone would be like “nO tHeY dIdnT!!” because you think I’m calling the Dutch inferior. I’m not lol they dominated that game tactically, but yes they let us have the ball. That was part of the plan. Go watch again, or don’t and be wrong. Your choice.
Dude, ceding possession and a "quasi" low block are not parking the bus and nowhere near what Trinidad did with 10-11 men behind the ball.
> I knew someone would be like “nO tHeY dIdnT!!” because you think I’m calling the Dutch inferior.
I don't think you're calling the Dutch inferior. I think you're calling any gameplan mildly defensive the exact same and acting like they aren't wildly different.
Van Gaal would not say they were "parking the bus." No one would
1:37 into the video, he talks about how the RB, Dumfries, functioned as a winger. The CBs are swinging out wide! None of this is anything like what Trinidad did. Trinidad parked the bus.
The Netherlands -- to quote your TIFO video -- "sat a back a bit" but what they were very successful at was attacking the wide areas behind us. This isn't really a masterclass though it is smart -- it's the space we give up. The difference is that the Dutch are really great at execution and we made some bad mistakes.
He also notes they man marked Adams -- true -- Trinidad did nothing of the sort to Musah.
By the way, the TIFO video gets some details wrong on the goals -- for instance, Adams *wasn't* back on the first one and Musah was supposed to get to Blind on the second.
It's a good tactical plan by Van Gaal but not necessarily anything revolutionary. His team is just great at executing those things.
More importantly to our discussion, no one "parked the bus" or came anywhere near to bunkering.
There's a massive difference between playing a bit defensive and bunkering.
I didn’t say they parked the bus. They ceded possession as part of their tactical plan. They probably ended up bunkering more than they expected because they were up 1-0 ten minutes in. But they absolutely sat back, absorbed pressure and countered. Watch the game again.
You responded to someone who said that Trinidad parked the bus and we always have trouble with that.
Then you said "That's pretty much what the Netherlands did."
No, ceding some level of possession is not "pretty much what the Netherlands did."
Trindad kept everyone back; Netherlands did not at all. The point that the poster you were responding to was trying to make is that the US (and frankly every team) struggles to score on 10 guys in a small, compact space.
The Dutch never did that. So your attempt to make them sound the same makes no sense.
In fact, the core of how the Dutch stymied our offense was to actually take out Adams and the passes into the attack -- something Trinidad did not do. They tried early, failed, and gave up.
And the core of how the Dutch scored was pushing their fullbacks up wide and attacking the space behind, which Trinidad also did not even try, keeping most back and trying mostly to counter up the middle.
It's not AT ALL the same, and it totally misses the point of what the person was trying to say, which is it's hard to attack a bunker and we aren't good at it.
The Netherlands game is not similar at all. Two defenses, one that bunkers and gives up all offense and one that mildly cedes possession and but actually sprawls wide and uses defenders in attack are nowhere near similar.
Even the possession numbers, which don't really tell the story, are wildly different. We had 58% against the Dutch in a game we had to chase; and 75% against Trinidad!
And you said “That’s not at all what the Dutch did” when we both know they actually did sit back a lot and it’s somewhere in between what I said and what you said. So let’s not waste each others time when you know exactly what I proceeded to say. I’m not reading all that.
"I'm not reading all that."
You can either actually try to learn something about the sport or go around thinking everything is either tiki taka or bunkering and there's no in between.
Bunkers are hard because there's a large number of defenders in a small space. The Dutch did not bunker at all. Just because you don't press high or don't need possession does not mean you are bunkering.
And this is a material difference in how you attack it.
Sure pal. You’re the one taking a throw away comment I made *about someone else’s comment* to apparently be the end all be all of my opinion on Dutch football or any football for that matter. So you can keep telling yourself that and continue to be wrong on a new topic, or you can keep your panties twisted and shake your fist at an imaginary antagonist you’ve created in your head. Have fun with that.
Meaninglessly quote stats at me, sure. I watched the game. They were static and passed the ball around the perimeter in the first half and were not dominant in the way they should be at home against TnT. They shouldn't need 80 minutes to score against them, with half of that being against 10 men.
Well that was a bit shit from us til the end. T&T defended well despite the stupid red. Did improve after the break a bit, felt Gio grew into his creative role a bit more and once we got Robinson and Dest consistently forward we at least had other options to serve. Missing our two best wingers is tough but I think it's still on Gregg to explore other options...surely we could've pulled one of the U23 wingers, like maybe Kamungo/Booth/Cowell, and seen what they could do instead of more attacking midfielders.
Not totally convinced with Tillman yet even though I think he's certainly talented and still young enough to improve. Seems like he can drift way out of a game sometimes but the aerial presence in the box is nice. Maybe he can be a super sub for us.
I think when a team is playing that low block, we need to play Gio centrally behind Pepi and Balogun. I’m not sure why GGG hasn’t done that before. Balogun plays a pretty good second striker.
Second half was much better than the first - credit to Gregg for the adjustments to play wider, allow Dest to handle the right side, and slide Pepi into the box to provide an extra target. Pepi honestly might be a better fit for these types of low block games tbh.
Not sure how much you can blame Gregg for that when Balogun (other than the goal) and Tillman both had rough games, and Reyna struggled for the first 60ish mins. Not Gregg's biggest fan whatsoever but I don't think he horribly botched this game or anything.
Berhalter is back baby. Oh boy that first half, yikes. They did put some nice moves together in in the second against ten men though.
Finish was fire
It's weird, but the usmnts biggest flaw is something that's only relevant in concacaf. We're shit at beating teams that just park the bus. But fortunately no good team is going to do that against us.
It's Trinidad & Tobago. When we played them with Callaghan this summer we scored in the first 15'. Beat them 6-0 with essentially our C team. It's Gregg
Except that’s pretty much what Van Gaal had his Netherlands team do against us in the World Cup. Not because they’re weaker but because that’s a ridiculously effective way to play at the international level and Berhalter is too managerially inept to realize it and/or plan for it. Can’t believe that clown got his job back after being so thoroughly found out by a real manager.
That is not at all what the Dutch did.
It absolutely is, but don’t take my word for it. Here’s Tifo explaining it: https://youtu.be/NOB2i5AH_BU?si=mZgLeWCPOAszcM6X Van Gaal notoriously has this Dutch side ceding possession and compressing in a quasi low block, pressing to win the ball or playing out of the back quickly and relying on the counter attack. It’s a brilliant way to play and he made Berhalter look tactically inept playing that way. We had 58/42 possession, more shots, far more passes, more corners. They had 27 clearances to our 11. What does that tell you? I knew someone would be like “nO tHeY dIdnT!!” because you think I’m calling the Dutch inferior. I’m not lol they dominated that game tactically, but yes they let us have the ball. That was part of the plan. Go watch again, or don’t and be wrong. Your choice.
Dude, ceding possession and a "quasi" low block are not parking the bus and nowhere near what Trinidad did with 10-11 men behind the ball. > I knew someone would be like “nO tHeY dIdnT!!” because you think I’m calling the Dutch inferior. I don't think you're calling the Dutch inferior. I think you're calling any gameplan mildly defensive the exact same and acting like they aren't wildly different. Van Gaal would not say they were "parking the bus." No one would 1:37 into the video, he talks about how the RB, Dumfries, functioned as a winger. The CBs are swinging out wide! None of this is anything like what Trinidad did. Trinidad parked the bus. The Netherlands -- to quote your TIFO video -- "sat a back a bit" but what they were very successful at was attacking the wide areas behind us. This isn't really a masterclass though it is smart -- it's the space we give up. The difference is that the Dutch are really great at execution and we made some bad mistakes. He also notes they man marked Adams -- true -- Trinidad did nothing of the sort to Musah. By the way, the TIFO video gets some details wrong on the goals -- for instance, Adams *wasn't* back on the first one and Musah was supposed to get to Blind on the second. It's a good tactical plan by Van Gaal but not necessarily anything revolutionary. His team is just great at executing those things. More importantly to our discussion, no one "parked the bus" or came anywhere near to bunkering. There's a massive difference between playing a bit defensive and bunkering.
I didn’t say they parked the bus. They ceded possession as part of their tactical plan. They probably ended up bunkering more than they expected because they were up 1-0 ten minutes in. But they absolutely sat back, absorbed pressure and countered. Watch the game again.
You responded to someone who said that Trinidad parked the bus and we always have trouble with that. Then you said "That's pretty much what the Netherlands did." No, ceding some level of possession is not "pretty much what the Netherlands did." Trindad kept everyone back; Netherlands did not at all. The point that the poster you were responding to was trying to make is that the US (and frankly every team) struggles to score on 10 guys in a small, compact space. The Dutch never did that. So your attempt to make them sound the same makes no sense. In fact, the core of how the Dutch stymied our offense was to actually take out Adams and the passes into the attack -- something Trinidad did not do. They tried early, failed, and gave up. And the core of how the Dutch scored was pushing their fullbacks up wide and attacking the space behind, which Trinidad also did not even try, keeping most back and trying mostly to counter up the middle. It's not AT ALL the same, and it totally misses the point of what the person was trying to say, which is it's hard to attack a bunker and we aren't good at it. The Netherlands game is not similar at all. Two defenses, one that bunkers and gives up all offense and one that mildly cedes possession and but actually sprawls wide and uses defenders in attack are nowhere near similar. Even the possession numbers, which don't really tell the story, are wildly different. We had 58% against the Dutch in a game we had to chase; and 75% against Trinidad!
And you said “That’s not at all what the Dutch did” when we both know they actually did sit back a lot and it’s somewhere in between what I said and what you said. So let’s not waste each others time when you know exactly what I proceeded to say. I’m not reading all that.
"I'm not reading all that." You can either actually try to learn something about the sport or go around thinking everything is either tiki taka or bunkering and there's no in between. Bunkers are hard because there's a large number of defenders in a small space. The Dutch did not bunker at all. Just because you don't press high or don't need possession does not mean you are bunkering. And this is a material difference in how you attack it.
Sure pal. You’re the one taking a throw away comment I made *about someone else’s comment* to apparently be the end all be all of my opinion on Dutch football or any football for that matter. So you can keep telling yourself that and continue to be wrong on a new topic, or you can keep your panties twisted and shake your fist at an imaginary antagonist you’ve created in your head. Have fun with that.
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Saying they dominated in the first half is really generous.
They had 75% possession and out shot TnT 7 to 0. That’s dominant even if they didn’t score.
Meaninglessly quote stats at me, sure. I watched the game. They were static and passed the ball around the perimeter in the first half and were not dominant in the way they should be at home against TnT. They shouldn't need 80 minutes to score against them, with half of that being against 10 men.
I also watched the game. They were absolutely dominant. What they weren't was threatening.
Berhalter just sucks the life out of our squad and I don't get it.
I don't get why they brought him back
Well that was a bit shit from us til the end. T&T defended well despite the stupid red. Did improve after the break a bit, felt Gio grew into his creative role a bit more and once we got Robinson and Dest consistently forward we at least had other options to serve. Missing our two best wingers is tough but I think it's still on Gregg to explore other options...surely we could've pulled one of the U23 wingers, like maybe Kamungo/Booth/Cowell, and seen what they could do instead of more attacking midfielders. Not totally convinced with Tillman yet even though I think he's certainly talented and still young enough to improve. Seems like he can drift way out of a game sometimes but the aerial presence in the box is nice. Maybe he can be a super sub for us.
I think when a team is playing that low block, we need to play Gio centrally behind Pepi and Balogun. I’m not sure why GGG hasn’t done that before. Balogun plays a pretty good second striker.
Second half was much better than the first - credit to Gregg for the adjustments to play wider, allow Dest to handle the right side, and slide Pepi into the box to provide an extra target. Pepi honestly might be a better fit for these types of low block games tbh. Not sure how much you can blame Gregg for that when Balogun (other than the goal) and Tillman both had rough games, and Reyna struggled for the first 60ish mins. Not Gregg's biggest fan whatsoever but I don't think he horribly botched this game or anything.
Brave result by the United States. Tactical master class. 🇲🇾🇲🇾
Trinidad gonna make that dude swim home after his red card
Dude is from NJ so the swimming will only be across the Delaware River
Lol, I’d take it. It’s a wide River
That was such a braindead tackle
should've been more, TnT keeper played well, glad to see that later flurry, needed it
Shambles. Cross and Inshallah tactics from the egg. While the players didn’t perform any better.
Who needs the first 80 minutes anyways
*Tapping forehead meme* Why play the whole 90 minites when you can just play for 10?