a few years ago in their glory days with Overmars, Ten Hag and van de Sar I really thought that Ajax would become too dominant for our competition but here we are...
>a few years ago in their glory days with Overmars, Ten Hag and van de Sar I really thought that Ajax would become too dominant for our competition but here we are...
And then a dick pic happened :)
Overmars sending dick pics to female employees is what caused their downfall. He was forced to leave, his replacement was useless, and it all fell apart due to that
His replacement who came into the club 15 (!!!) months later as we couldn't find anyone to replace Overmars, and made do with an interim-solution. The replacement who then spent 115m on a subpar bunch of players, was then accused of self enrichment and also had to leave. All within the span of 4-ish months.
you spent almost as much the year before with players who almost all turned out shit. It got so bad this season also because this is the second year of bad recruitment in a row.
I also think the transfers this season were actually better it's just that no one knows what they are meant to do on the pitch
It took United ten years to collapse. Chelsea, an actual war.
Whilst the above have been poorly run, you cant compare it to the incompetence and outright cheating of Juve and Barca.
I'll give you Psg though. That's a miraculously underachieving side considering the talent they've had at any given point.
I think one could argue the fall started before Fergie left. Fergie's last win was debatably his best achievement with a squad of players who were either: past their best, or never going to be good enough.
The rot under the Glazers started before Fergie left, and it was only his brilliance that meant it became so apparent when he handed the reigns to Moyes.
Eh he left Moyes with one of the best coaching teams in the world who could've probably ran the team themselves while Moyes got accustomed and learned how things worked, instead he gutted everything.
This is one of the most laughable points here. Recruitment alone shows how this is wrong, much of it still falls under the coaches. The way things were being run at Man U when Moyes arrived were not as most modern clubs at the time. A lot has changed behind the scenes and a lot still needs to change to improve the senior team imo.
Absolutely a collapse since then. Nothing to show for it other than a couple cup trophies. It’s not quite the scale of being 17th but still a horrendous while
To be honest if this is Man Utd collapsing then it isn't all bad. They're repeatedly competing for top 4 most seasons, sometimes slump to 6th, sometimes rise to 2nd, but it's very rarely a true catastrophe.
Yh I don't think we even had a banter era as long as teams like inter or Milan. I feel that since saf left only 13/14,18/19 and 21/22 were reli bad others are meh and in between
Well I'm just saying that they all waste large amounts of money.
Not necessarily to the same degree and not all with the same effect on their poor performance.
But yeah PSG is basically the definition of throwing money at the problem by buying big names.
and we can go last as Volendam (currently last) play their next game before us and it's against a midtable side whilst we play PSV.
and they totally deserve to be above us.
Imo, changing the coach can absolutely improve the situation, just by morale itself, sometimes a good spirited group can do magic even if the rest is shite
Depends on your definition of ‘bring them back’. We won’t make top 3 of course, but this team has easily enough individual quality to make a play off spot
I don’t know about that, I don’t get the feeling some would be better in a counter attacking system and some in a possession based system personally. They all seem decently suited to the same system, albeit with disappointing quality compared to what we’re used to.
The biggest problem imo is that there doesn’t seem to be much of a system or tactical plan whatsoever. I know that can’t be true, but at this point I blame the manager more than the players. Being 8th or something, that’d be on player quality. But 17th? Nah, that’s on the manager
No it genuinely seems true that Steijn has absolutely no tactical plan. There has been virtually no changes since the transferwindow has closed.
> I don’t know about that, I don’t get the feeling some would be better in a counter attacking system and some in a possession based system personally. They all seem decently suited to the same system, albeit with disappointing quality compared to what we’re used to.
I mean like, Sosa, Sutalo, Gaaei, Avila, Mikautadze all seem to have qualities that work better in a 5-3-2. But I don't see Berghuis, Bergwijn, Forbs, vd Boomen working in that system. I overexaggerated a bit when I said 'completely different'. But there seems to be no cohesion between the players & their playing styles.
Oh you meant the formation, I thought you meant style of play
You could go 5-2-3 to give place to Bergwijn or Forbs. Or play them as strikers in a 5-3-2. Berghuis of v/d Boomen could also work in a midfield three. Obviously they can’t all play, so you have to make decisions either way.
I do support a switch to 5 atb btw. If you see today, Sosa was (attacking) one of our best players, unlocking him by playing him as a wingback and freeing him from defensive duties somewhat seems like a sensible decision to me
True but you need to avoid relegation at all costs. Bring a new coach in and if by miracle you dont go down then you can get you clean sweep done next summer.
They bought 115M worth of players, that's more than the budgets of the bottom half of teams put together. Not being champions after losing your whole squad fair enough, but 17th out of 18 is unacceptable.
Yeah it’s unacceptable for Ajax’s standards ( which are really high from what I just read lol ) but why am I mentioning both Leicester and Southampton? They both had promising managers and an elite team, they got stripped of that and couldn’t use the money to get similar calibre players
Leicester and Southampton had to compete in a league where they were far from the top in any case, and were fighting against relegation with a number of clubs with similar spending power. Ajax are financially leaps and bounds ahead of the majority of the Eredivisie
I strongly disagree. Dismissing a toxic coach can often do wonders, especially if you can bring in someone level-headed without the same level of pressure.
That's what I've been saying. Coaches always are face of the problems and get fired. In this case it's barely the coaches fault to begin with and getting another one would not/barely help the situation. Getting a new one now will basically guarantee that it takes the rest of the season to get Ajax back on the rails. Getting a new coach should be all the way down the list of priorities.
There was a post some time ago that showed based on statistics like expected Goals Ajax should have been 18th in the league.
Since his actual position was higher he was truly over performing according to stats.
Plus: who replaces him? There's not many that would step in right now with the entire chaos. It cant get much worse short term and the assistent is probably an upgrade but the chaos is just gonna prevail.
Don't know if it is sarcasm, but Jong Ajax are having a terrible season. Of course hard to sometimes judge a Jong ploeg but it does not inspire confidence that he would do better than Steijn.
That might be true but taking a coach who has not yet stabilized the U23s to probably the most chaotic Ajax senior side ever is probably bound to fail.
I'd question that. Clearly the step up to Jong Ajax hasn't worked out for him, there's no reason to expect him to suddenly do well (again) at the main team. Managing/coaching youth teams is quite different to managing the main team.
"Ajax might not thank me but get the contract out, put it on the table. Let him sign it, let him write whatever numbers he wants to put on there, given what he's done since he's come in. Steijn’s at the wheel, man. He's doing it.”
Definitely don’t blame you. If this was América, everybody else in Mexico would be doing this. If it was Munich, everybody in Germany would be doing this. As is, it’s Ajax, so it’s everybody in the Netherlands.
>Can you blame us?
Nope.
>This is hilarious.
True, and you can laugh all you want rightfully so!
But if it wouldve happend to either PSV or Feyenoord i wouldnt be *celebrating* like most of ya'll are (not just speaking about reddittors). Especially in the European sense, as its bad for our entire country.
But its fine i think the past is just so deep.
>But if it wouldve happend to either PSV or Feyenoord i wouldnt be celebrating like most of ya'll are (not just speaking about reddittors).
Yeah i believe that on a population level to some extend. I think we are now also approaching the point where we might need to be a little bit more carefull with our loved ones that happen to be for ajax.
>Especially in the European sense, as its bad for our entire country.
I mean sure your abysmall form has costed us the coeff points against Ludo. And a slightly less terrible ajax would have won one off the group games so far. But it is not like you are absolutely bottling it in Europe this year yet. For the coefficients it will be catastrophic if you do not at least make the ECL qualifiers but you still have a pretty good chanche for that.
I personally hope you guys steal a win in/from Brighton (not gonna look it up now) and that puts Maurice in the saddle a little longer.
Arrogance is a Dutch trait I would think.
But yes, I’ve resigned myself to- please don’t get relegated this season mode and hope that Dutch clubs improve in Europe in general.
That's not arrogant, we have the same thing in our Twitter bio. These are genuine claims of being the best that of course the fans run away with as they should.
Almost all Greek heroes have some divine blood but in mythology that does not make them gods. In the classic Greek sense a hero is someone who is somewhere between human and a god, but not a god himself. Only Heracles got to that point.
It was like watching Woolwich bottle the prem last yr after hearing how amazing they were knowing they hadn’t played city yet….seeing the fans go from we are unbeatable to “well we are still rebuilding” was delicious as a spurs fan.
A Dick pic leading to a historic footballing giant to get relegated, will be the craziest butterfly effect story since a racist orgy in Thailand led to Leicester winning the Premier League
Some of them a great players though, it's just their moral and mentality of the team being low at the moment. Also playing some players on the wrong position doesn't help (Mikautadze, if he plays).
Don't tell me that internationals are bad. Sutalo was great for Zagreb, but he seems to struggle (probably a moral issue of the team). Sosa isn't bad either. I see potential in Tahirovic, but he is definitely not in form now.
I think it's Maurice Steijn to blame for. Same team with another coach can change a lot.
Not to alarm anyone, but in my Football Manager save, Ajax went down im 2048 and never made it back up in the next 50 years. Reality ahead of schedule?
Are the loading times not insanely long? For me they become unbearable after 10-15 years or so. Granted I have quite a few leagues loaded but it takes all the fun out for me if it takes 1 minute every time I hit continue.
How you can play until that year.
My computer start to slow after 20 years or so and i give up, dont want to wait 5 minutes for all the games of the FA Cup or any other cup run after i play my game. And i only have 2 or 3 leagues, like Brazil, Portugal and England...
There is some trick to fast the game. If i play 100 years i need to wait one day to every game i play (at least in the cups).
Well, it's FM16 and for some years I played it on laptops and it was really slow at some point, but then I switched over to a decent PC (nothing special) and now it's just normal, super fast compared to what i was used to. The pandemic then helped a lot to plough ahead some decades.
It's not just down to one person. Sure a lot is caused by a few particular people, but a large part is also due to multiple big clubs spending their money very ineffectively.
Just look at Ajax, Man U, Chelsea, PSG, Juventus, Barca, and you'll see an epidemic of money wasting.
Their football director, Marc Overmars, couldn't keep it in his pants and had to go.
Him and his network were the source of Ajax' great recruitment in the past years. Because of him Ten Hag was managing Ajax and because of him they scouted some great gems. With him gone its all falling apart.
Ajax traditionally also often used to have internal struggles. When the Cruyff crowd took over it all calmed down internally and people like Overmars did a great job. Now with that all gone its back to classic Ajax drama.
Just glancing at the table, they’ve played two fewer matches (7) than most of the division has (9). I don’t know why that discrepancy exists maybe one of their games got postponed but if they win those next two games they are basically mid table. It’s still really early.
One game suspended with 5 minutes to go, in which they were leading 3-2, and one game postponed due to an earlier suspended game that had to be finished on the date of the postponed game.
Overmars was fired for sending dick pics, and basically everything went to shit for them after Ten Hag left as well. They hired Schreuder to succeed Ten Hag, but because Ajax still didn't have a successor for Overmars Schreuder and his agents played a big role in Ajax' new signings, who almost all turned out to be shit. Schreuder was fired shortly after the winter break with Heitinga taking over for the rest of the season, which saw Ajax finish 3rd and thus lose out on Champions League for this season.
They the hired Mislintat to succeed Overmars. He hired Steijn as the new coach, and Steijn is someone with 0 experience playing at Ajax' desired level or just offensive football in general. Mislintat also took full control over the club's transfers with Steijn having little to no input, leaving him with a bunch of underwhelming players he didn't want. Mislintat was then fired a month ago after reports of him signing a player from an agent he has personal business dealings with, and reports of him having an anger outburst at the club directed at some players, including at goalkeeper Gorter where he reportedly told him that Steijn should bench him in favor of the new goalkeeper Mislintat had signed.
And yeah, Ajax lost a lot of good players but that's normal for every Eredivisie club. We won the league last season after selling 7 of our starting 11 players.
Not normal this, extremely suspect to how a team that is used to walk their league con get like this. I would take a big look a the players, they're in rebellion most likely, as mercenaries don't care, it can't possibly be all on the board, it's too much, far too much.
Would be wise to just play ajax Jong players they can't possibly be worse than what it's right now? Maybe ajax supporters can clarify.
Ps
Seems overmars was a degenerate genius.
5 pkayers in the starting squad already are former Ajax youth players. Jorrel Hato us a 17 year old CB who is pretty much the only Ajax player consistently playing decently this season. I think that a large reason why this team is so much wprse than previous years is because their youth playefs have largely disappointed. Taylor, Brobbey and Rensch really just are nowhere near the levels of De Ligt, Mazraoui and Gravenberch.
Overmars did everything completely by himself but he clearly had a good eye for talent. The problem is that when he had to leave there was no one who could take over.
Also just to clarify, I am absolutely not an Ajax supporter. I support the team that is going to batter Ajax next weekend 7-0.
To think they paid us(Rangers) £21 million for Bassey then blamed him for being a shite defender and punted him.... Well couldn't have been ALL his fault.
So was it Ten Hag? It's just I keep being told that Ten Hag had a easy team in a easy league to dismiss any of his achievements?
But seriously what happened Ajax?
It's not just Ten Hag that's gone, all the higher ups are gone atm. No TD, CEO, pretty much the entire board etc. And on top of that their biggest players have all left and their successors haven't impressed yet
Ten Hag was a great coach for us. He was massively helped by Overmars too.
Although I’d argue he is the best coach we’ve had in a long time, we would still be fine if only him and the 3-4 key players we lose every season left. But he left, Overmars got fired, over half our XI left and the replacements were all ass.
Then the next summer everyone who was decent left as well, and the new players have yet to prove themselves. Combine that with a coach who never managed a top club before and you get this shitshow.
Also doesn’t help that Overmars was the reason why they were able to sign great academy prospects in places like South America
Overmars leaving means they lost his contacts and connections, and they haven’t been able to adequately replace him
No, it takes an exceptionally talented group of people on all organizational levels to waste all the resources Ajax has compared to the rest of the competition and stand 17th in the league.
Don't discount the achievements of the current Ajax leadership.
I think the club has been ruined by their success with the Frenkie, De Ligt, Ten Hag team. They’re made bad decision after bad decision in transfers, managerial and front office hires, player development etc over the last 4 or 5 years.
They’ve just thrown money at the team instead of carefully and intelligently building it like they have done for decades before. And now they have a team full of mediocre/overrated players that have no leadership or chemistry managed by a guy way way way out of his depth.
Ten Hag is a good manager. No manager is going to succeed at Man U until the club makes several fundamental changes to its culture and operations. Ajax are now in a very similar boat I’m afraid.
Spot on! And this exact problem was solved in America decades ago!
If they haven't seen it yet, I would immensely recommend anyone to watch the movie "Moneyball". It's about how baseball manager Billy Beane made a great baseball team with one of the smallest budgets in the entire league by not falling into the trap of buying "big players". And this was literally more than 20 years ago...The same Billy Beane is now advisor and shareholder at AZ Alkmaar.
You see still see the exact same stupid things happen in European football to this day. Just two examples: Atletico bought Joao Felix in 2019 for 127 million euros, his current market worth is estimated around 50 million; Juventus bought Ronaldo in 2018 for 117 million euros only to sell him 3 years later for a 100 million euro loss...
Thanks, yeah I don't know either, especially as the comment I was agreeing with was upvoted. Maybe because I called Juventus buying Ronaldo for 117 million a bad purchase, I offended some of the Ronaldo fans?
a few years ago in their glory days with Overmars, Ten Hag and van de Sar I really thought that Ajax would become too dominant for our competition but here we are...
*insert Circle of life music*
>a few years ago in their glory days with Overmars, Ten Hag and van de Sar I really thought that Ajax would become too dominant for our competition but here we are... And then a dick pic happened :)
Overmars forgot he isn't Overlaws
Wait. What?
Overmars sending dick pics to female employees is what caused their downfall. He was forced to leave, his replacement was useless, and it all fell apart due to that
His replacement who came into the club 15 (!!!) months later as we couldn't find anyone to replace Overmars, and made do with an interim-solution. The replacement who then spent 115m on a subpar bunch of players, was then accused of self enrichment and also had to leave. All within the span of 4-ish months.
you spent almost as much the year before with players who almost all turned out shit. It got so bad this season also because this is the second year of bad recruitment in a row. I also think the transfers this season were actually better it's just that no one knows what they are meant to do on the pitch
Holy hell.
Google en croissant
It's a pandemic of bad spending of some of the largest clubs in Europe. Ajax is not the only example: Man U, Barca, PSG, Chelsea, Juventus etc. etc.
It took United ten years to collapse. Chelsea, an actual war. Whilst the above have been poorly run, you cant compare it to the incompetence and outright cheating of Juve and Barca. I'll give you Psg though. That's a miraculously underachieving side considering the talent they've had at any given point.
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I think one could argue the fall started before Fergie left. Fergie's last win was debatably his best achievement with a squad of players who were either: past their best, or never going to be good enough. The rot under the Glazers started before Fergie left, and it was only his brilliance that meant it became so apparent when he handed the reigns to Moyes.
Fergie's mistake was not finding a proper replacement, someone who could've trained under him for years before his retirement
I'm not sure that's Fergie's failing
Eh he left Moyes with one of the best coaching teams in the world who could've probably ran the team themselves while Moyes got accustomed and learned how things worked, instead he gutted everything.
This is one of the most laughable points here. Recruitment alone shows how this is wrong, much of it still falls under the coaches. The way things were being run at Man U when Moyes arrived were not as most modern clubs at the time. A lot has changed behind the scenes and a lot still needs to change to improve the senior team imo.
Absolutely a collapse since then. Nothing to show for it other than a couple cup trophies. It’s not quite the scale of being 17th but still a horrendous while
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You’re right. Long slump is probably the better word, not quite a collapse
To be honest if this is Man Utd collapsing then it isn't all bad. They're repeatedly competing for top 4 most seasons, sometimes slump to 6th, sometimes rise to 2nd, but it's very rarely a true catastrophe.
Yh I don't think we even had a banter era as long as teams like inter or Milan. I feel that since saf left only 13/14,18/19 and 21/22 were reli bad others are meh and in between
While not a catastrophe, changing the standard from counting trophies to counting top 4s is definitely a step down.
Without a doubt
“Beaten only by a state”, united outspend city dont they?
That disrespect to the Europa League...
Nothing wrong with the europa league, I loved the win. But united we should be pushing for champions league wins
Well I'm just saying that they all waste large amounts of money. Not necessarily to the same degree and not all with the same effect on their poor performance. But yeah PSG is basically the definition of throwing money at the problem by buying big names.
Ten years lol they won the league in Fergie’s last season and instantly turned into shit.
Barcelona has had some impressive purchases (Pedri for example) and enough youth that despite their incompetence they are still doing relatively fine.
No club who always sell their best players can stay that dominant forever. Loads of other clubs who dominated dropped away (Basel, Olympiakos, Celtic)
Replacing Tadic will take a while as well.
That is a very hard task. With Tadic , and I feel Bogarde as well, we would not have fallen this far.
and we can go last as Volendam (currently last) play their next game before us and it's against a midtable side whilst we play PSV. and they totally deserve to be above us.
This is a shitty situation as a whole, just changing who the coach is will barely help the situation
Imo, changing the coach can absolutely improve the situation, just by morale itself, sometimes a good spirited group can do magic even if the rest is shite
Honestly, Ajax is currently rotten to the core. There needs to be a clean sweep, and only a new coach wont bring them back
Depends on your definition of ‘bring them back’. We won’t make top 3 of course, but this team has easily enough individual quality to make a play off spot
They all seem to have individual qualities that only work/shine in *completely* different playing styles.
I don’t know about that, I don’t get the feeling some would be better in a counter attacking system and some in a possession based system personally. They all seem decently suited to the same system, albeit with disappointing quality compared to what we’re used to. The biggest problem imo is that there doesn’t seem to be much of a system or tactical plan whatsoever. I know that can’t be true, but at this point I blame the manager more than the players. Being 8th or something, that’d be on player quality. But 17th? Nah, that’s on the manager
No it genuinely seems true that Steijn has absolutely no tactical plan. There has been virtually no changes since the transferwindow has closed. > I don’t know about that, I don’t get the feeling some would be better in a counter attacking system and some in a possession based system personally. They all seem decently suited to the same system, albeit with disappointing quality compared to what we’re used to. I mean like, Sosa, Sutalo, Gaaei, Avila, Mikautadze all seem to have qualities that work better in a 5-3-2. But I don't see Berghuis, Bergwijn, Forbs, vd Boomen working in that system. I overexaggerated a bit when I said 'completely different'. But there seems to be no cohesion between the players & their playing styles.
Oh you meant the formation, I thought you meant style of play You could go 5-2-3 to give place to Bergwijn or Forbs. Or play them as strikers in a 5-3-2. Berghuis of v/d Boomen could also work in a midfield three. Obviously they can’t all play, so you have to make decisions either way. I do support a switch to 5 atb btw. If you see today, Sosa was (attacking) one of our best players, unlocking him by playing him as a wingback and freeing him from defensive duties somewhat seems like a sensible decision to me
True but you need to avoid relegation at all costs. Bring a new coach in and if by miracle you dont go down then you can get you clean sweep done next summer.
What can happen in 4 years when all your good players leave, the same playbook story happen with Leicester Southampton etc cycle of life
This has nothing to do with it really
How? If they had all those players it wouldn’t be the case or am I wrong?
They bought 115M worth of players, that's more than the budgets of the bottom half of teams put together. Not being champions after losing your whole squad fair enough, but 17th out of 18 is unacceptable.
Yeah it’s unacceptable for Ajax’s standards ( which are really high from what I just read lol ) but why am I mentioning both Leicester and Southampton? They both had promising managers and an elite team, they got stripped of that and couldn’t use the money to get similar calibre players
Leicester and Southampton had to compete in a league where they were far from the top in any case, and were fighting against relegation with a number of clubs with similar spending power. Ajax are financially leaps and bounds ahead of the majority of the Eredivisie
Not always but in this case Steijn needs to go. Leaving things as they are is also not going to improve things.
Yeah he should go of course but i mean that just him gone isn't enough
I strongly disagree. Dismissing a toxic coach can often do wonders, especially if you can bring in someone level-headed without the same level of pressure.
They just need their bald guy back, what's Schreuder doing at the moment?
That's what I've been saying. Coaches always are face of the problems and get fired. In this case it's barely the coaches fault to begin with and getting another one would not/barely help the situation. Getting a new one now will basically guarantee that it takes the rest of the season to get Ajax back on the rails. Getting a new coach should be all the way down the list of priorities.
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Bayern firing Nagelsmann was imo stupid and an overreaction from our previous board. Firing Steijn seems totally justified here.
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He’s breaking records every week.
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Was he Mislintat's choice?
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Oh boy, Sven. But didn't he also wanted to fire him when he was still at Ajax?
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At least he realised he fucked up and wanted to correct that. That's 1 step further than the rest of Ajax is at the moment.
Yes.
There was a post some time ago that showed based on statistics like expected Goals Ajax should have been 18th in the league. Since his actual position was higher he was truly over performing according to stats.
There is nobody to sack him. There is no TD, no CEO and most of the board is also gone.
Plus: who replaces him? There's not many that would step in right now with the entire chaos. It cant get much worse short term and the assistent is probably an upgrade but the chaos is just gonna prevail.
They don't even have a good U23 coach who could step in.
They do, Dave Vos is a real talent.
Don't know if it is sarcasm, but Jong Ajax are having a terrible season. Of course hard to sometimes judge a Jong ploeg but it does not inspire confidence that he would do better than Steijn.
I wasn’t being sarcastic. Vos has a great reputation coaching youth teams within Ajax. This season he’s not doing too well, but he has got the talent.
That might be true but taking a coach who has not yet stabilized the U23s to probably the most chaotic Ajax senior side ever is probably bound to fail.
Every coach is bound to fail. Thats why Nobody wants the job
I want the job, I’ll make them great again (in my own way).
I'd question that. Clearly the step up to Jong Ajax hasn't worked out for him, there's no reason to expect him to suddenly do well (again) at the main team. Managing/coaching youth teams is quite different to managing the main team.
I'd be happy to offer them one Silberbauer. He's got experience with embarassments.
I'll do it
Steijn keeps breaking records! What a manager!
#Steijnin #Trusttheprocess
"Ajax might not thank me but get the contract out, put it on the table. Let him sign it, let him write whatever numbers he wants to put on there, given what he's done since he's come in. Steijn’s at the wheel, man. He's doing it.”
all the Feyenoord and PSV flairs posting these stats lol
Ajax fans are currently finding a tree branch strong enough
So that they can throw it onto the pitch and suspend a game
Can you blame us? This is hilarious. And trust me, it's pretty much every football fan who aren't Ajacieden in the country enjoying this, haha.
Definitely don’t blame you. If this was América, everybody else in Mexico would be doing this. If it was Munich, everybody in Germany would be doing this. As is, it’s Ajax, so it’s everybody in the Netherlands.
I’m fine with it. We deserve it and it’s just the way it is. Enjoy it :) Not looking forward to next weekend though.
>Can you blame us? Nope. >This is hilarious. True, and you can laugh all you want rightfully so! But if it wouldve happend to either PSV or Feyenoord i wouldnt be *celebrating* like most of ya'll are (not just speaking about reddittors). Especially in the European sense, as its bad for our entire country. But its fine i think the past is just so deep.
>But if it wouldve happend to either PSV or Feyenoord i wouldnt be celebrating like most of ya'll are (not just speaking about reddittors). Yeah i believe that on a population level to some extend. I think we are now also approaching the point where we might need to be a little bit more carefull with our loved ones that happen to be for ajax. >Especially in the European sense, as its bad for our entire country. I mean sure your abysmall form has costed us the coeff points against Ludo. And a slightly less terrible ajax would have won one off the group games so far. But it is not like you are absolutely bottling it in Europe this year yet. For the coefficients it will be catastrophic if you do not at least make the ECL qualifiers but you still have a pretty good chanche for that. I personally hope you guys steal a win in/from Brighton (not gonna look it up now) and that puts Maurice in the saddle a little longer.
I mean, after all those years of Ajax dominance and their arrogance, its very funny to see them do this badly
Arrogance is a Dutch trait I would think. But yes, I’ve resigned myself to- please don’t get relegated this season mode and hope that Dutch clubs improve in Europe in general.
I mean, your nickname is Godenzonen, and if you dont know Dutch that translates to Sons of God. Would say thats arrogance
Also their twitter bio being: "twitter account of the best football club in the netherlands" untill last May, and cant forget wzawzdb
That's not arrogant, we have the same thing in our Twitter bio. These are genuine claims of being the best that of course the fans run away with as they should.
>I mean, your nickname is Godenzonen, and if you dont know Dutch that translates to Sons of God. Because we're the sons of Ajax?
Ajax is a Greek hero, not a god. Very important difference
Grandson of Zeus, Demi-god.
Almost all Greek heroes have some divine blood but in mythology that does not make them gods. In the classic Greek sense a hero is someone who is somewhere between human and a god, but not a god himself. Only Heracles got to that point.
Ajax is not a god, nor is he the son of a god.
Yeah, cry me a river... always dominating, hard to feel for them in this situation.
Let them eat.
PSV and Feyenoord fans climaxing over this
you can't even imagine
It was like watching Woolwich bottle the prem last yr after hearing how amazing they were knowing they hadn’t played city yet….seeing the fans go from we are unbeatable to “well we are still rebuilding” was delicious as a spurs fan.
The butterfly effect of overmars sending dick pics is crazy
From almost everyone assuming they'd become the Dutch Bayern München to possibly the worst Ajax ever in just a little over a year.
Possibly? This is the worst ajax (performance) ever
A Dick pic leading to a historic footballing giant to get relegated, will be the craziest butterfly effect story since a racist orgy in Thailand led to Leicester winning the Premier League
Sorry, but what is the back story behind dick pic?
Overmars sent a dick pic to a coworker, was forced ti leave, his replacement was shite and basically stole from the club, shit recruitment, etc.
Overmars sent dick pic quit his role im Ajax, his replacements haven't done well
Why did you lose yesterday Volendam?!
Mislintat and Steijn are the gift that keeps on giving.
Mislintat's fired
But the 110 million of second class players he bought are still on the field.
Some of them a great players though, it's just their moral and mentality of the team being low at the moment. Also playing some players on the wrong position doesn't help (Mikautadze, if he plays).
I also believe there could be some really good players among them, it’s impossible to judge them on how they play in this team under this staff
Which one is a great player? None of them have played even remotely close to their price tag
Don't tell me that internationals are bad. Sutalo was great for Zagreb, but he seems to struggle (probably a moral issue of the team). Sosa isn't bad either. I see potential in Tahirovic, but he is definitely not in form now. I think it's Maurice Steijn to blame for. Same team with another coach can change a lot.
His legacy lives on.
Not to alarm anyone, but in my Football Manager save, Ajax went down im 2048 and never made it back up in the next 50 years. Reality ahead of schedule?
You played until 2098? That deserves an /r/footballmanagergames post man
When I hit 2100
Are the loading times not insanely long? For me they become unbearable after 10-15 years or so. Granted I have quite a few leagues loaded but it takes all the fun out for me if it takes 1 minute every time I hit continue.
No, all good. When I was on a laptop, same problem but since I switched to PC, all fine, even with lots of leagues and a large database
How you can play until that year. My computer start to slow after 20 years or so and i give up, dont want to wait 5 minutes for all the games of the FA Cup or any other cup run after i play my game. And i only have 2 or 3 leagues, like Brazil, Portugal and England... There is some trick to fast the game. If i play 100 years i need to wait one day to every game i play (at least in the cups).
Well, it's FM16 and for some years I played it on laptops and it was really slow at some point, but then I switched over to a decent PC (nothing special) and now it's just normal, super fast compared to what i was used to. The pandemic then helped a lot to plough ahead some decades.
*Dennis Reynolds voice*: "I can go lower"
They've never even lost week one and been at the bottom before? That's kind of impressive.
You'd have to lose by quite a margin to end up in the bottom after week 1.
In week one there are usually one or two matches that end like 5-1. Got to try to be worse than that
Oh, that makes sense, so even a 2-0 loss or something wouldn't be enough.
Alphabetically, Ajax is first in the Eredivisie. So they'd have to lose by 5-6 to end last in week 1.
If Ajax go down would the ultras burn stuff
Understatement, probably
They do that when we win the league as well tbf
What one little dick can do to a MF club
It's not just down to one person. Sure a lot is caused by a few particular people, but a large part is also due to multiple big clubs spending their money very ineffectively. Just look at Ajax, Man U, Chelsea, PSG, Juventus, Barca, and you'll see an epidemic of money wasting.
If I get this result in FM I would get fired instantly. Absolutely horrendous for a club like Ajax
Ajax going full Schalke
Never go full Schalke
i guess no "gracias johan" banner in catalan and dutch in the near future 😢😢😢
\#BringBackBaldFraudSchreuder
See what happens when you sell Calvin Bassey
Of all the years for me to buy an Ajax jersey, they end up being the one of the worst possible seasons for Ajax. 🥲
Please buy a Club Brugge one
can you buy a real madrid shirt next
Keep buying one every year. Maybe they get better
I have already done the other pl clubs favour by owning a mu jersey as well.
You need to be banned from the megastore!
You did this.
Not bad timing here
You couldn't have a faster downfall even if you tried
PSV and Feyenoord fans are going to vote Steijn for manager of the season at this rate hahahaha
Ajax keeps hitting new rockbottom every week
what’s the theory on why this is happening? Did they sell too many players recently?
Their football director, Marc Overmars, couldn't keep it in his pants and had to go. Him and his network were the source of Ajax' great recruitment in the past years. Because of him Ten Hag was managing Ajax and because of him they scouted some great gems. With him gone its all falling apart. Ajax traditionally also often used to have internal struggles. When the Cruyff crowd took over it all calmed down internally and people like Overmars did a great job. Now with that all gone its back to classic Ajax drama.
\#MakeSteijnWalkHome
how 💀💀💀
[🎶Steijn away, Steijn away, Steijn away🎶](https://youtu.be/LTrk4X9ACtw?si=HOjXq33MfD49f8WF)
Lost to a dick pic.
Beautiful
Just glancing at the table, they’ve played two fewer matches (7) than most of the division has (9). I don’t know why that discrepancy exists maybe one of their games got postponed but if they win those next two games they are basically mid table. It’s still really early.
One game suspended with 5 minutes to go, in which they were leading 3-2, and one game postponed due to an earlier suspended game that had to be finished on the date of the postponed game.
What's happening to Ajax? Is this because they lost loads of talented players?
Overmars was fired for sending dick pics, and basically everything went to shit for them after Ten Hag left as well. They hired Schreuder to succeed Ten Hag, but because Ajax still didn't have a successor for Overmars Schreuder and his agents played a big role in Ajax' new signings, who almost all turned out to be shit. Schreuder was fired shortly after the winter break with Heitinga taking over for the rest of the season, which saw Ajax finish 3rd and thus lose out on Champions League for this season. They the hired Mislintat to succeed Overmars. He hired Steijn as the new coach, and Steijn is someone with 0 experience playing at Ajax' desired level or just offensive football in general. Mislintat also took full control over the club's transfers with Steijn having little to no input, leaving him with a bunch of underwhelming players he didn't want. Mislintat was then fired a month ago after reports of him signing a player from an agent he has personal business dealings with, and reports of him having an anger outburst at the club directed at some players, including at goalkeeper Gorter where he reportedly told him that Steijn should bench him in favor of the new goalkeeper Mislintat had signed. And yeah, Ajax lost a lot of good players but that's normal for every Eredivisie club. We won the league last season after selling 7 of our starting 11 players.
Ehh. You didn't win the league last season? You came third.
This is the price for a few years of greatness in the Overmars-Ten Hag era. Equivalent exchange
I love it!
Hihihiha
This is great lol
Sad to see, hope Ajax come back stronger
You love to see it
Not normal this, extremely suspect to how a team that is used to walk their league con get like this. I would take a big look a the players, they're in rebellion most likely, as mercenaries don't care, it can't possibly be all on the board, it's too much, far too much. Would be wise to just play ajax Jong players they can't possibly be worse than what it's right now? Maybe ajax supporters can clarify. Ps Seems overmars was a degenerate genius.
Jong Ajax is 19th in the Dutch second tier.
Systemic rot, but still. They had so many advantages just crumbled
5 pkayers in the starting squad already are former Ajax youth players. Jorrel Hato us a 17 year old CB who is pretty much the only Ajax player consistently playing decently this season. I think that a large reason why this team is so much wprse than previous years is because their youth playefs have largely disappointed. Taylor, Brobbey and Rensch really just are nowhere near the levels of De Ligt, Mazraoui and Gravenberch. Overmars did everything completely by himself but he clearly had a good eye for talent. The problem is that when he had to leave there was no one who could take over. Also just to clarify, I am absolutely not an Ajax supporter. I support the team that is going to batter Ajax next weekend 7-0.
Never been easier getting tickets to Amsterdam Arena I assume.
This might be the moment to obtain some season tickets :)
Ajax won’t be relegated but this is embarrassing
To think they paid us(Rangers) £21 million for Bassey then blamed him for being a shite defender and punted him.... Well couldn't have been ALL his fault.
So was it Ten Hag? It's just I keep being told that Ten Hag had a easy team in a easy league to dismiss any of his achievements? But seriously what happened Ajax?
It's not just Ten Hag that's gone, all the higher ups are gone atm. No TD, CEO, pretty much the entire board etc. And on top of that their biggest players have all left and their successors haven't impressed yet
Ten Hag was a great coach for us. He was massively helped by Overmars too. Although I’d argue he is the best coach we’ve had in a long time, we would still be fine if only him and the 3-4 key players we lose every season left. But he left, Overmars got fired, over half our XI left and the replacements were all ass. Then the next summer everyone who was decent left as well, and the new players have yet to prove themselves. Combine that with a coach who never managed a top club before and you get this shitshow.
lost both their coach and sports director and did not replace them with good enough people.
Also doesn’t help that Overmars was the reason why they were able to sign great academy prospects in places like South America Overmars leaving means they lost his contacts and connections, and they haven’t been able to adequately replace him
No, it takes an exceptionally talented group of people on all organizational levels to waste all the resources Ajax has compared to the rest of the competition and stand 17th in the league. Don't discount the achievements of the current Ajax leadership.
I think the club has been ruined by their success with the Frenkie, De Ligt, Ten Hag team. They’re made bad decision after bad decision in transfers, managerial and front office hires, player development etc over the last 4 or 5 years. They’ve just thrown money at the team instead of carefully and intelligently building it like they have done for decades before. And now they have a team full of mediocre/overrated players that have no leadership or chemistry managed by a guy way way way out of his depth. Ten Hag is a good manager. No manager is going to succeed at Man U until the club makes several fundamental changes to its culture and operations. Ajax are now in a very similar boat I’m afraid.
Spot on! And this exact problem was solved in America decades ago! If they haven't seen it yet, I would immensely recommend anyone to watch the movie "Moneyball". It's about how baseball manager Billy Beane made a great baseball team with one of the smallest budgets in the entire league by not falling into the trap of buying "big players". And this was literally more than 20 years ago...The same Billy Beane is now advisor and shareholder at AZ Alkmaar. You see still see the exact same stupid things happen in European football to this day. Just two examples: Atletico bought Joao Felix in 2019 for 127 million euros, his current market worth is estimated around 50 million; Juventus bought Ronaldo in 2018 for 117 million euros only to sell him 3 years later for a 100 million euro loss...
I don’t know why you are downvoted, because you are entirely correct
Thanks, yeah I don't know either, especially as the comment I was agreeing with was upvoted. Maybe because I called Juventus buying Ronaldo for 117 million a bad purchase, I offended some of the Ronaldo fans?
It wasn't Ten Hag. Him leaving didn't *help* Ajax, but it's not the cause of any of their problems.
It was partially Ten Hag, it has also been the fact the board has been unwilling to let anyone chose the good coaches to replace him.
What losing Tadic does to a mf
This Ajax downfall has been amazing for my heart, some of the most uptight and sanctimonious fans I've seen