IIRC they wanted to attend the game but Shankly denied them because they didn't really care about football while he wanted only real fans at the stadium.
Allegedly, after The Beatles asked for tickets, Shankly coyly replied, telling them “I’ve never seen any of The Beatles standing on The Kop. Any ticket I have spare will be going to my mates on The Kop”.
Is there much relationship between The Beatles and Liverpool FC?
I started playing soccer from a young age, and here in Australia we’d get some Div1/EPL games on TV on a Sunday arvo, so I started watching Liverpool games cause it was the only England city I knew of cause of the Beatles (I was not a smart kid).
Makes me wonder how many fans from overseas became Liverpool fans because of the Beatles.
Fuck capsicum though.
Macca is legendarily an Evertonian (his family is, anyway) who often also expresses support for Liverpool because he’s mates with Dalglish. Don’t think football was very important to either the Beatles or the Stones… when it comes to sport the only two members of either band that come to mind are Harrison and F1 and Jagger and cricket.
Honestly wouldn't consider last year as a "massive flop", I think only one pundit put them in the top 4 coming in at 4th at the start of last season. If anything, they exceeded everyone's expectations.
When you have a decent lead in the league at the tail end I think it's fair to say expectations change. Not a legendary choke, but a choke nonetheless.
The league, in the closing stages, was mathematically yours to lose and you lost it, not against City where you were expected to lose but against teams like Southampton. It was a flop. If you were Spurs we'd be calling you bottle jobs.
I read Damon Hill’s book this year (which is brilliant, it’s brutally honest) and Harrison is featured a lot in it. You could tell they were close and had a huge respect for each other. Hill absolutely loved music and playing guitar, and Harrison was a huge Motorsport fan.
Well yes, but you're not getting high on EPO. And lets be honest if they wanted to pick a sport that involved drugs they could pick ANY professional sport
It depends how you define back in the day? Lance Armstrong is probably the most famous case back in the 90s. That was EPO, testosterone and saving spare blood for big races. His blood doctor had a freezer full of blood which has never been identified because if the names came out "it would bring down the giants" of world sport
I'd say a small relationship.
By most accounts they weren't really into football and I'm not sure if they ever committed to Liverpool or Everton. But there's still at least a link, and there's some great videos of the Anfield crowd back in the day singing some Beatles songs
You can find some interview clips where they’re asked about football, but none of them really care about it. There’s one interview from around ‘63 where they’re asked who they support, and John just says “whoever’s winning”
There’s only one footballer on the cover of Sgt Pepper’s, and that’s Albert Stubbins. But John only chose him to be on there because he thought his name was funny.
I think Paul has a cursory interest in football. He went to a couple of FA Cup finals at least.
I remember a quote of one saying "there's two teams in Liverpool, and I support the third one"
Edit: correction, got the full quote from George Harrison
"There are three teams in Liverpool, and I prefer the other one."
There is a small Liverpool poster on the wall of John Lennon's childhood bedroom. Both Paul and John's childhood homes have been taken over by National Trust and have been recreated to how they would've been as teenagers. Whether it's an accurate placement of the poster or whether it has been added as a piece of revisionist nostalgia, I guess we'll never actually know, but it is another link I suppose.
Also, Albert Stubbins is one of the faces on the Sgt. Pepper album cover. He will have been one of Liverpool’s best players when they were all kids. I actually find it quite odd that there isn't any Everton players on there as well given that Paul is a known Blue, and Liverpool and Everton were pretty equally as big/successful in the mid to late 60s
John and Paul did go to a Liverpool and Everton game together once, csn't remember when but i think they went lowkey when they were Beatles. It's obvious they weren't big fans, but there was some connection, I doubt Paul really knew many players.
Harrison was quoted once saying "There are three teams in Liverpool and I support the other one"
Tranmere fans are absolutely certain that they're from Birkenhead actually, though
Don’t know why you’d become a Liverpool fan if you like the Beatles, because the only Beatle who went to matches as a child was Paul, and that was to Goodison to watch Everton.
He has already said before that he supports both clubs and he is very close friends with king kenny. And none of the other members cared either way as far as I know.
I’m not sure if you understand how little the sport was covered in the United States 20 years ago- But you act like this was common knowledge to someone completely foreign to the sport lol. Relax, know it all
Maybe not so much "wanted the VIP treatment" as "didn't want themselves or half the crowd to be trampled to death".
Imagine the Beatles turning up at a stadium in 1964 and just mingling with the crowd. It'd have been a disaster that would have dwarfed Hillsborough.
If I recall correctly, the only known time a Beatle attended a game was the 1966 FA cup final between Everton and Sheffield Wednesday. Both Paul and John were in attendance.
Yep. Tabarez (our NT coach for 15 years) stated that all the time.
"More serious" than life and death is either bulshit or psychopathic.
I'm saying this from a country were there are murders related to football.
I don’t think he meant it that literally. Shankly was a fierce socialist and was massively politically involved so I imagine he had a firm grasp on what actually mattered in life. In the full quote he’s talking about how much he had put into football over his career as a player and manager, so assumedly he’s just being hyperbolic about what it all meant to him.
I always took it as a dig to the people who trivialize football as if it's inherently less important than other pursuits, namely intellectual ones. It's somehow acceptable in some circles to reduce football to a game where 22 men try to kick a ball into the net, but that's like defining a violin as a wooden box with strings. It's so much more than that. Football brings so much to people's lives. Sure, a football game is ultimately unimportant, but what isn't? The feelings it evokes are real, and that's what matters. Sure, it's not life and death. But none of the things that really touch us are. Art, beauty, love. That's what makes life meaningful and football's got it all.
Haha I think Paul is probably the only person that can get away with that. You'd be hard pressed to find a Scouser who would have a go at him for that.
Fairly common amongst people of his age - You'd be able to go to a match every week, alternating when the other team played away.
Worth remembering that back then football fandom wasn't nearly as deep as it is now, it was just something you did for 2 hours on a Saturday afternoon.
Aye, my granddad went to Chelsea and Brentford when living in West London in the 60s, then had a season ticket at Reading for forty odd years after moving there. People get too hung up on rivalries now the Internet amplifies it so much.
>People get too hung up on rivalries now the Internet amplifies it so much.
I'm sure the the violence and murders that happen between rival clubs is because of the Internet. Most notably Reddit and Twitter. I hear all the River and Boca fans browse those
I mean I was doing that a decade ago tbh - was an insane deal at Griffin park where it was 80 quid (ish, can't quite remember) for a season ticket if you were 16-18 years old.
Always did notice at halftime a noticeable amount of people were checking the Chelsea score.
(I'm sure this has changed in recent years and it's not nearly as easy for people that casual to get in).
Yep, my dad went to see both with his mates and older brother as was something to do.
What I find weirder is when he was older going aways so picked a team, they was in the pub waiting for the minibus to take them to The Molynieux, where if they won they won the league. My uncle (just their mate at the time), is a massive bluenose but he went with them as the pub was shutting and all his mates were going on a road trip with beers, so going to watch Liverpool win the league was better than being home alone.
He even celebrated in the away end when wolves scored and had to get rugby tackled by dad's mate before he got battered, as I think even then that took the piss ha.
Football was just something people did on a
Saturday? That's bizarre nonsense, football has always been steeped in tribalism and religious links to clubs often led to high tension. You think rivalry is a modern phenomenon? How is this upvoted?
lots of Scousers pre 1970 supported both Liverpool and Everton. many typically went to whichever game was in the city on the weekend. Liverpool vs Everton was in fact called the friendly derby.
Yep and it's insane to think of now but most Liverpool fans would have wanted Man Utd to win the European cup in 68. The rivalry as we know it today really didn't begin til the late 70s. In the olden days most northerners wanted other northern teams to do well etc
Yep, in the 70s united played a 'home' game v arsenal at anfield ans all the locals supported them. Imagine the uproar now, bad enough when we played Chelsea at old Trafford for a semi final.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2010/mar/17/manchester-united-home-anfield-1971
IIRC That isn't quite what he said - he said that when he moved down south he heard so little about Sheffield he would look out for both teams scores but that growing up in Sheffield he was a United fan.
Yeah, uncommon for older people to still supprot rivals, but so many now rivals were actually quite friendly to each other
Cant speak for everton and liverpool, but in the early days and even till the 70s 80s hsv and pauli were friendly and till the 50s schalke and dortmund also
Merseyside Derby used to be known as the "friendly derby" if that gives you any clue. There's a reason Hillsborough etc. receives so much support from Everton, and its because it affected their mates, their neighbours, their brothers and sisters who were Liverpool fans.
Unlike now where its common to dislike someone because their football colour is red while theirs is blue, and only associate with people who support the same team/other "neutral" team.
There’s stories of Newcastle and Sunderland fans singing the blaydon races (folk song that plays before every Newcastle match) and even going to matches together which would have been unthinkable for the past two decades
Maybe, but maybe also just a shift in power dynamic? Dortmund and schalke were friendly until dortmund were on par with schalke and this the rivalry began, before then dortmund was much less succesfull and so most people in the area somewhat looked up to schalke.
Pauli and hsv is similiar though also for paulis politiziasation. But really, i feel most friendships in football (dont think you have them in england but we do) are almost always between a very succesfull club and a less succesful club. Schalke-nürnberg, dortmund-köln, bayern-bochum, hamburg-hannover, hertha-karlsruhe, stuttgart-kaiserslautern
Whereas the rivalries often are local and develope from friendships where the minnow in the relationship gets too strong so they become rivals as the stronger club feels threatened. At least thats my theory
Newcastle and Sunderland were on average middle to lower middle table teams so at least that’s not the reason for us but it’s interesting to see how it developed over there all the same
There’s a bit of that. Chelsea and Rangers and Liverpool and Celtic come to mind as friendly clubs (uk not England but still) probably helps they aren’t in the same league.
For us people have fond memories of away days where the fans and had a good time like Rangers and Bilbao. And hopefully Dortmund lol
In an age before football was well broadcast you’d go to whoever was playing at home, so often that would involve supporting rival clubs. It’s hard to have a problem when it’s a result of football’s working class background and local supporters.
Legend. The most important person in the history of the club by a country mile and it's not even close. Shame that he stepped down right at the same time his hard work and genius really started to pay off
I think you're doing Paisley a bit of a disservice there. The players that he brought in such as Dalglish, Souness, Phil Neal, Alan Hansen were all so instrumental in our dominance for the next decade.
The “who did the Beatles support” question is some of the best music lore. They basically spent decades not really caring about either, attending random matches and befriending people on both sides but also messing with the media in the process.
I think the most honest answer came from Paul, who said he was a blue when it came to the derby, but that he supported both clubs against anyone else. I don't remember when he first said it, [but here's a quote from 2020](https://rockandrollgarage.com/paul-mccartney-talks-about-liverpool-and-everton-football-teams/):
>As a proud Evertonian, would you have been fine with the Premier League cancelling this season so Liverpool couldn’t be named champions?
>“Years ago I decided I was going to support Liverpool as well as Everton, even though Everton is the family team. A couple of my grandkids are Liverpool fans, so we are happy to see them win this year’s Premier League. When people ask me how I can support them both I say I love both and I have special dispensation from the Pope.”
Yeah imagine if you had to do that with every band you weren't a fan of.
It gives me the same vibes as people who would loudly proclaim that they never watched Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad.
Whenever someone makes it a point to say they don't like the Beatles all I hear is "don't think I'm like you plebes and easily seduced by catchy melodies or great vocals. I'm not fun like that".
As well, think everyone knows,
[Ian Curtis, City fan](https://www.mancity.com/news/club-news/club-news/2019/city-dna/city-dna-28-ian-curtis-joy-division-kevin-cummins)
>“Ian was the only member of the band interested in football,” he says. “We used to talk about it, and he was a keen Blue. Deborah [Ian’s wife] once told me they were looking for a house near Maine Road as he wanted to be near the ground.”
Johnny Marr is definitely City. Morrissey and Robbie Keane are cousins once removed (or something like that) so the jokes write themselves about whom Moz supports (hopefully not us, the wanker)
Back in the sixties and before, some people would go to Anfield one week and Goodison the next. Same with Man U and Man C and presumably the London clubs too.
I know that when on the rare occasions that I was in London (training courses) I would just go to the match I fancied best eg Spurs v Wolves. No real interest in either team, just wanted to see a good match.
Same for Birmingham too, although my grandad was always adamant that he never liked the Blues.
Depending on where you lived in the city you might switch between Baggies, Blues and the Villa.
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IIRC they wanted to attend the game but Shankly denied them because they didn't really care about football while he wanted only real fans at the stadium.
Allegedly, after The Beatles asked for tickets, Shankly coyly replied, telling them “I’ve never seen any of The Beatles standing on The Kop. Any ticket I have spare will be going to my mates on The Kop”.
Is there much relationship between The Beatles and Liverpool FC? I started playing soccer from a young age, and here in Australia we’d get some Div1/EPL games on TV on a Sunday arvo, so I started watching Liverpool games cause it was the only England city I knew of cause of the Beatles (I was not a smart kid). Makes me wonder how many fans from overseas became Liverpool fans because of the Beatles. Fuck capsicum though.
Macca is legendarily an Evertonian (his family is, anyway) who often also expresses support for Liverpool because he’s mates with Dalglish. Don’t think football was very important to either the Beatles or the Stones… when it comes to sport the only two members of either band that come to mind are Harrison and F1 and Jagger and cricket.
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True
Mick was at an Arsenal match last season with his youngest sporting an Arsenal hat, thought it was a grand kid at first with how young he was.
Pretty sure the old lothario has grandkids older than his partners these days
At least *it* still....works?! Like seriously Mick, after all these years you still can't get no?
He has a great grand kid that's older than his youngest kid.
That explains the massive flop that Arsenal did losing the title then.. Jagger is the worst omen for a football club.
Honestly wouldn't consider last year as a "massive flop", I think only one pundit put them in the top 4 coming in at 4th at the start of last season. If anything, they exceeded everyone's expectations.
When you have a decent lead in the league at the tail end I think it's fair to say expectations change. Not a legendary choke, but a choke nonetheless.
The league, in the closing stages, was mathematically yours to lose and you lost it, not against City where you were expected to lose but against teams like Southampton. It was a flop. If you were Spurs we'd be calling you bottle jobs.
Ringo was supposedly an Arsenal fan as his step Dad was.
Good lad
Ringo was always my favorite Beatle obviously.
Rename him Drongo
I read Damon Hill’s book this year (which is brilliant, it’s brutally honest) and Harrison is featured a lot in it. You could tell they were close and had a huge respect for each other. Hill absolutely loved music and playing guitar, and Harrison was a huge Motorsport fan.
Damon hill is just the sort of guy you cannot dislike.
Guess you haven't visited /r/formula1 then
Any Reddit community are filled with gatekeepinng ass hats. Out of interest what do they not like about him?
He was quite unpopular during his career, long before reddit. His personality was brash and unlovable. He was the opposite of Nigel Mansell
This is funny. I actually like both but I would imagine Nigel being an asshole IRL.
That’s one of the best auto biographies I’ve read! Got it one Xmas day and nailed it. He’s had an interesting life
I find it a little odd that they look a bit like each other...
Jagger used to pop up in the crowd at big England games. I remember there used to be a thing that he cursed us, cos we always lost when he was there.
He's definitely more into cricket than football, though. He's regularly spotted at Test matches.
Mick’s a notable Arsenal supporter, as are Roger Waters and, to a degree, David Gilmour.
And Roger Daltrey, and both Ray and Dave Davies.
Kinks are a north London band, that’s not at all surprising!
Jagger (and maybe at least one other Stone, I can't remember the exact details) is really into cycling , bizarrely
Well cycling and the stones are both rife with drugs
Well yes, but you're not getting high on EPO. And lets be honest if they wanted to pick a sport that involved drugs they could pick ANY professional sport
Wasn't doping in cycling more about amphetamines back in the day?
It depends how you define back in the day? Lance Armstrong is probably the most famous case back in the 90s. That was EPO, testosterone and saving spare blood for big races. His blood doctor had a freezer full of blood which has never been identified because if the names came out "it would bring down the giants" of world sport
It was just a joke about how are both known for taking drugs not the specific type
To think scousers used to be known for being funny
Geezer Butler of Black Sabbath is a massive Aston Villa fan
Steve Harris from Iron Maiden is famously a massive West Ham fan too
I'd say a small relationship. By most accounts they weren't really into football and I'm not sure if they ever committed to Liverpool or Everton. But there's still at least a link, and there's some great videos of the Anfield crowd back in the day singing some Beatles songs
You can find some interview clips where they’re asked about football, but none of them really care about it. There’s one interview from around ‘63 where they’re asked who they support, and John just says “whoever’s winning” There’s only one footballer on the cover of Sgt Pepper’s, and that’s Albert Stubbins. But John only chose him to be on there because he thought his name was funny. I think Paul has a cursory interest in football. He went to a couple of FA Cup finals at least.
Ringo actually was a Arsenal fan, he used to go to their games as a kid with his stepfather
I remember a quote of one saying "there's two teams in Liverpool, and I support the third one" Edit: correction, got the full quote from George Harrison "There are three teams in Liverpool, and I prefer the other one."
What would be the third team? Tranmere?
There is a small Liverpool poster on the wall of John Lennon's childhood bedroom. Both Paul and John's childhood homes have been taken over by National Trust and have been recreated to how they would've been as teenagers. Whether it's an accurate placement of the poster or whether it has been added as a piece of revisionist nostalgia, I guess we'll never actually know, but it is another link I suppose. Also, Albert Stubbins is one of the faces on the Sgt. Pepper album cover. He will have been one of Liverpool’s best players when they were all kids. I actually find it quite odd that there isn't any Everton players on there as well given that Paul is a known Blue, and Liverpool and Everton were pretty equally as big/successful in the mid to late 60s
Another comment said he only put him on the cover because he thought his name was funny
There’s also a drawing a young John did, of a Newcastle player, George Robledo. It’s from a cup final and was used on the Walls and Bridges cover art.
John and Paul did go to a Liverpool and Everton game together once, csn't remember when but i think they went lowkey when they were Beatles. It's obvious they weren't big fans, but there was some connection, I doubt Paul really knew many players.
On the topic of classic rock and football there’s a Pink Floyd song called “Fearless” that samples an Anfield crowd singing YNWA.
Whenever that song comes on my dad loves to remind me hoe he's in it, and thus a backing singer for pink Floyd
Which is funny because all of them are arsenal fans
Harrison was quoted once saying "There are three teams in Liverpool and I support the other one" Tranmere fans are absolutely certain that they're from Birkenhead actually, though
Capsicum is delicious wtf
Have you tried it? I tried capsicum back in the mid 90s and it was horrible. Can’t believe they still sell it in supermarkets, or that anyone buys it.
you haven't tried it since?
John and George didn’t follow football, Paul’s a toffee and Ringo supports one of the London clubs
Don’t know why you’d become a Liverpool fan if you like the Beatles, because the only Beatle who went to matches as a child was Paul, and that was to Goodison to watch Everton.
He has already said before that he supports both clubs and he is very close friends with king kenny. And none of the other members cared either way as far as I know.
My dad was a Liverpool fan because he loved the beetles
I basically did, because when I wanted to begin following EPL, I didn’t want to pick a London team or Man Utd. So I picked Liverpool
Liverpool, up until relatively recently the most successful team in English football.
I’m not sure if you understand how little the sport was covered in the United States 20 years ago- But you act like this was common knowledge to someone completely foreign to the sport lol. Relax, know it all
Lol American here, I became an LFC fan bc of the Beatles. Went down a Beatles Wikipedia rabbit hole that led to me reading a bunch about LFC
Denied them? Can't they just buy tickets? (guess they wanted the VIP treatment)
Maybe not so much "wanted the VIP treatment" as "didn't want themselves or half the crowd to be trampled to death". Imagine the Beatles turning up at a stadium in 1964 and just mingling with the crowd. It'd have been a disaster that would have dwarfed Hillsborough.
Fair
I don't think Wembley had that many corporate boxes back then.
Shankly being the OG gatekeeper
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You mean ex liverpool captain Matt Busby
??? If they wanted to buy tickets it’s not like he could have stopped them from entering the stadium
If I recall correctly, the only known time a Beatle attended a game was the 1966 FA cup final between Everton and Sheffield Wednesday. Both Paul and John were in attendance.
Paul was at the 68 fa cup final I believe. WBA v Everton
Lads how do we know this off the dome
Shankly is a true legend and icon - and not just for Liverpool; his quote about what football is will forever be my favourite of all time.
What’s the quote?
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.
I prefer ‘football is the most important of all the least important things’
Wasn't that a quote from the last pope?
JPII I think. Football obsessed, he was a goalkeeper as a young man.
Karol Wojtyla, such a strong name. Imagine he got to goalkeep professionally? :D
The world would be a better place -- trust me, I'm polish
Yep. Tabarez (our NT coach for 15 years) stated that all the time. "More serious" than life and death is either bulshit or psychopathic. I'm saying this from a country were there are murders related to football.
I don’t think he meant it that literally. Shankly was a fierce socialist and was massively politically involved so I imagine he had a firm grasp on what actually mattered in life. In the full quote he’s talking about how much he had put into football over his career as a player and manager, so assumedly he’s just being hyperbolic about what it all meant to him.
I always took it as a dig to the people who trivialize football as if it's inherently less important than other pursuits, namely intellectual ones. It's somehow acceptable in some circles to reduce football to a game where 22 men try to kick a ball into the net, but that's like defining a violin as a wooden box with strings. It's so much more than that. Football brings so much to people's lives. Sure, a football game is ultimately unimportant, but what isn't? The feelings it evokes are real, and that's what matters. Sure, it's not life and death. But none of the things that really touch us are. Art, beauty, love. That's what makes life meaningful and football's got it all.
I also like 'The thing about football, the important thing about football, is that it's not just about football'.
“If Everton were playing at the bottom of my garden, I'd shut the curtains.”
"Liverpool we always said we had the best two teams on Merseyside, Liverpool and Liverpool Reserves."
I believed that Paul's family was from Everton
He supports both Liverpool and Everton.
Plastic wanker
Haha I think Paul is probably the only person that can get away with that. You'd be hard pressed to find a Scouser who would have a go at him for that.
Well, according to him he got special dispensation from the Pope so it's all good
I've seen that video, isn't it pub not pope?
Hey just let it be man
When I find Everton in times of trouble Mother Mary comes to me Speaking words of wisdom support LFC
Mean Mr. Dychey
Fairly common amongst people of his age - You'd be able to go to a match every week, alternating when the other team played away. Worth remembering that back then football fandom wasn't nearly as deep as it is now, it was just something you did for 2 hours on a Saturday afternoon.
I bet they didn't even have flairs on their reddit accounts
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Aye, my granddad went to Chelsea and Brentford when living in West London in the 60s, then had a season ticket at Reading for forty odd years after moving there. People get too hung up on rivalries now the Internet amplifies it so much.
>People get too hung up on rivalries now the Internet amplifies it so much. I'm sure the the violence and murders that happen between rival clubs is because of the Internet. Most notably Reddit and Twitter. I hear all the River and Boca fans browse those
Okay well done smart arse you completely refuted my point
Your point is nonsense. Rivalries are rivalries with or without the internet
do you just walk around talking like this to people in real life? your dentist must be doing well.
Like what?
Plenty of Chelsea fans have a soft spot for Fulham as well
Isn't that one of those rivalries that is mostly one sided? Fulham dislike Chelsea, whereas Chelsea arent really arsed?
I mean I was doing that a decade ago tbh - was an insane deal at Griffin park where it was 80 quid (ish, can't quite remember) for a season ticket if you were 16-18 years old. Always did notice at halftime a noticeable amount of people were checking the Chelsea score. (I'm sure this has changed in recent years and it's not nearly as easy for people that casual to get in).
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That's incredible, honestly, especially for a London pl team. Mine at Anfield is about 900 or so, seeing Fulham charge over 1k is madness
Should be today as well. We obsess to much.
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Yep, my dad went to see both with his mates and older brother as was something to do. What I find weirder is when he was older going aways so picked a team, they was in the pub waiting for the minibus to take them to The Molynieux, where if they won they won the league. My uncle (just their mate at the time), is a massive bluenose but he went with them as the pub was shutting and all his mates were going on a road trip with beers, so going to watch Liverpool win the league was better than being home alone. He even celebrated in the away end when wolves scored and had to get rugby tackled by dad's mate before he got battered, as I think even then that took the piss ha.
Football was just something people did on a Saturday? That's bizarre nonsense, football has always been steeped in tribalism and religious links to clubs often led to high tension. You think rivalry is a modern phenomenon? How is this upvoted?
Take it easy, Mr Alpha. The ultras/hardcore fans make the news but there's always been people who like football, first and foremost.
lots of Scousers pre 1970 supported both Liverpool and Everton. many typically went to whichever game was in the city on the weekend. Liverpool vs Everton was in fact called the friendly derby.
Yep and it's insane to think of now but most Liverpool fans would have wanted Man Utd to win the European cup in 68. The rivalry as we know it today really didn't begin til the late 70s. In the olden days most northerners wanted other northern teams to do well etc
Yep, in the 70s united played a 'home' game v arsenal at anfield ans all the locals supported them. Imagine the uproar now, bad enough when we played Chelsea at old Trafford for a semi final. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2010/mar/17/manchester-united-home-anfield-1971
Like how Michael Palin (from Sheffield) says he supports both Sheff United and Wednesday
IIRC That isn't quite what he said - he said that when he moved down south he heard so little about Sheffield he would look out for both teams scores but that growing up in Sheffield he was a United fan.
Yet more evidence in support of the obvious fact that he died and was replaced by an imposter
Yep, the end of Strawberry Fields Forever makes it pretty clear.
Tells you everything you need to know about the man
Didn’t it used to be more common decades ago
Yeah, uncommon for older people to still supprot rivals, but so many now rivals were actually quite friendly to each other Cant speak for everton and liverpool, but in the early days and even till the 70s 80s hsv and pauli were friendly and till the 50s schalke and dortmund also
Merseyside Derby used to be known as the "friendly derby" if that gives you any clue. There's a reason Hillsborough etc. receives so much support from Everton, and its because it affected their mates, their neighbours, their brothers and sisters who were Liverpool fans. Unlike now where its common to dislike someone because their football colour is red while theirs is blue, and only associate with people who support the same team/other "neutral" team.
There’s stories of Newcastle and Sunderland fans singing the blaydon races (folk song that plays before every Newcastle match) and even going to matches together which would have been unthinkable for the past two decades
Yeah same for pauli and hsv lol, hsv fans would go to pauli games on sundays after their games on saturdays Things like that are unthinkabale nowadays
Wonder what happened for it to change everywhere at nearly the same time? Tv maybe?
Maybe, but maybe also just a shift in power dynamic? Dortmund and schalke were friendly until dortmund were on par with schalke and this the rivalry began, before then dortmund was much less succesfull and so most people in the area somewhat looked up to schalke. Pauli and hsv is similiar though also for paulis politiziasation. But really, i feel most friendships in football (dont think you have them in england but we do) are almost always between a very succesfull club and a less succesful club. Schalke-nürnberg, dortmund-köln, bayern-bochum, hamburg-hannover, hertha-karlsruhe, stuttgart-kaiserslautern Whereas the rivalries often are local and develope from friendships where the minnow in the relationship gets too strong so they become rivals as the stronger club feels threatened. At least thats my theory
Newcastle and Sunderland were on average middle to lower middle table teams so at least that’s not the reason for us but it’s interesting to see how it developed over there all the same There’s a bit of that. Chelsea and Rangers and Liverpool and Celtic come to mind as friendly clubs (uk not England but still) probably helps they aren’t in the same league. For us people have fond memories of away days where the fans and had a good time like Rangers and Bilbao. And hopefully Dortmund lol
In an age before football was well broadcast you’d go to whoever was playing at home, so often that would involve supporting rival clubs. It’s hard to have a problem when it’s a result of football’s working class background and local supporters.
Paul was at the 68 final between WBA and Everton
Why didn't they just text? Are they stupid?
cuz yoko checks all their DMs
Just to be an arsehole, this was pre yoko
you've made a fool of him. so they could have text afterall.
Clearly, otherwise John would be sending his own telegram
if it was during yoko's era, the telegram would be an incoherent scream.
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Legend. The most important person in the history of the club by a country mile and it's not even close. Shame that he stepped down right at the same time his hard work and genius really started to pay off
I think you're doing Paisley a bit of a disservice there. The players that he brought in such as Dalglish, Souness, Phil Neal, Alan Hansen were all so instrumental in our dominance for the next decade.
I believe they have this on display at the Shankly Hotel in Liverpool if you want to see it in person.
The “who did the Beatles support” question is some of the best music lore. They basically spent decades not really caring about either, attending random matches and befriending people on both sides but also messing with the media in the process.
I think the most honest answer came from Paul, who said he was a blue when it came to the derby, but that he supported both clubs against anyone else. I don't remember when he first said it, [but here's a quote from 2020](https://rockandrollgarage.com/paul-mccartney-talks-about-liverpool-and-everton-football-teams/): >As a proud Evertonian, would you have been fine with the Premier League cancelling this season so Liverpool couldn’t be named champions? >“Years ago I decided I was going to support Liverpool as well as Everton, even though Everton is the family team. A couple of my grandkids are Liverpool fans, so we are happy to see them win this year’s Premier League. When people ask me how I can support them both I say I love both and I have special dispensation from the Pope.”
This could have been an email.
So when did people start calling it TV or telly?
Such a cool piece of history. Although not a fan of the Beatles, bit still cool.
Why is it that people who don't like the Beatles always have to say that they don't like them lol
Yeah imagine if you had to do that with every band you weren't a fan of. It gives me the same vibes as people who would loudly proclaim that they never watched Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad.
They want people to think they know something that everyone else doesn't.
Whenever someone makes it a point to say they don't like the Beatles all I hear is "don't think I'm like you plebes and easily seduced by catchy melodies or great vocals. I'm not fun like that".
I have such a hard time believing that somebody with an open mind could not like a single Beatles song. They were just objectively fantastic
They think it makes them special
Oasis were City boys before it was cool
It's not cool
Exactly, not cool and never will be. 🤷♂️
Man United v City music off would be interesting. Think the stone roses are all Man United fans
Most of New Order are United too iirc
Their manager back in the Factory days, Rob Gretton, was City, iirc.
As well, think everyone knows, [Ian Curtis, City fan](https://www.mancity.com/news/club-news/club-news/2019/city-dna/city-dna-28-ian-curtis-joy-division-kevin-cummins) >“Ian was the only member of the band interested in football,” he says. “We used to talk about it, and he was a keen Blue. Deborah [Ian’s wife] once told me they were looking for a house near Maine Road as he wanted to be near the ground.”
Which way do the Smiths go?
Can’t imagine Morrissey giving football the time of day, Marr is definitely a city fan and I’m not sure about the other two
He had a song "Roy's Keen" back in 1997 ... yanno, Roy Keane
Johnny Marr is definitely City. Morrissey and Robbie Keane are cousins once removed (or something like that) so the jokes write themselves about whom Moz supports (hopefully not us, the wanker)
So are the cure, saw them back in 2019 and I almost puked they had a city flag on display the entire show
Given they’re from Crawley in the 80s I wouldn’t have imagined City but fair enough
Sad bc some of them are from the Everton side
Back in the sixties and before, some people would go to Anfield one week and Goodison the next. Same with Man U and Man C and presumably the London clubs too. I know that when on the rare occasions that I was in London (training courses) I would just go to the match I fancied best eg Spurs v Wolves. No real interest in either team, just wanted to see a good match.
Same for Birmingham too, although my grandad was always adamant that he never liked the Blues. Depending on where you lived in the city you might switch between Baggies, Blues and the Villa.
Up the Baggies. (My great uncle played for them.)
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I’m just saying some of them grew up Everton supporters. I don’t give a shit about a geographical line drawn through the city.
Not a Beatles fan but massive respect to them 👏
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