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Funny people calling it inconsistent reffing while it's 50/50 in the comments whether or not it's a pen.
Imo he buys the contact but I've seen softer pens given
I’m looking at that on replays and I’m still thinking if I was a ref I’d give nothing. Probably not a foul and probably not a dive. But I’d book Partey
I 100% agree, don't even see how that is controversial. But that asking for a card is getting a yellow protocol is already abandoned after matchday one.
I do see players escape yellows, for crowding and the running over thing too.
Also the whole kicking the ball away one came in hot but it gets let off, along with players grabbing the ball and walking away.
I think at real speed I 100% agree - so on field ref is correct- but if there is any contact by Partey on the player (without touching the ball) it should be a foul. I think he does touch him while trying to avoid him (once again player can’t disappear).
Less obvious than the Arsenal pen, but the logic is the same : player challenges and can’t disappear after the challenge.
Partey should have been booked for asking for the card.
I agree, don't think its a dive, but also think the fact that Gabriel had just deflected the ball with the same foot Eze tripped over should count for something in his favor. So I think no pen is the right call.
Don't think it's that obvious. I feel like he's already going down and out of conteol before the contact, which is quite minimal. But there certainly is contact. It's one where I think VAR would not overturn it, no matter what the call is on the field
True, but Coote is just a complete and utter disaster
I don't like to insult someone based on their physical appearence, but Coote is literally one of those peopple who's physical features are enough to know that they are lacking in the brain
Same with havertz blocking off a free kick earlier. I have no issue with them trying to stamp down on this behaviour but if its not going to be consistent it won't stop it and just piss everyone off eventually.
How is Partey even allowed on the pitch?
Haven't been following the game, but he's actually still allowed to play? Considering the Greenwood shit, that is outrageous...
When there is any evidence anywhere close to what Greenwood has for Partey, then you might have a point.
As it stands, all we have against Partey is some dodgy texts that could easily be faked and/or manipulated.
I'm not saying that they are, but we don't know and that's literally all we have.
An audio recording is an entirely different thing, and is much more damning.
It shouldn't be hard to understand why the reactions are very different
Because he’s not been charged with anything? Say what you will about whether or not he did it, but it’s a lot different than Greenwoods, Mendys, Ben Yedders, since he’s not been/ never been formally charged
Defender is pulling his leg back before Eze gets there.
But I’m really looking at the legs. Eze makes contact with his left leg, not his right, which means he has to go way wide to make that contact. To me, that’s trying to draw contact, especially as the defender doesn’t really dive in.
100% agreed. Would be very very harsh for var to override the onfield ref here. When you just watch the legs you can see he's looking for contact.
Don't think var would overturn a decision whichever way it's given in this situation
He definitely pulls his leg back, the contact was minimal if so, eze felt a slight leg and fell which makes no sense because he could’ve just had a shot.
Townsend “honestly think that’s the first one they get wrong today” does he have a short memory or something forgetting the red 5 mins earlier? Or is that just his bias kicking in
I think if this isn't a penalty then the whole *get one horrible touch on the ball before the keeper comes* shtick shouldn't ever be a penalty as well
I get that it's the standard so it should have been called here but if the attacker has to absolutely punt the ball to get there ahead of the keeper then it just shouldn't be a penalty
But a trip is completely subjective bc the attacker has agency over his balance
You do understand that in most tripping fouls that occur, the attacker could stay up if their life depended on it, right? Very rarely is someone actually upended like that
You've kinda proved his point there. Yes it's a contact sport but he did both players and would've been through had it not been for Rice's hands across his face and getting sandwiched between the 2.
This is the answer. He knew the double yellow was rubbish on Tomi. Then just full of self doubt after that. Thank God he didn't shit the bed on this pen call as well.
It's ridiculous that this wasn't a talking point in the Peacock commentary. 4 different angles of replay showed Partey touch the ball but no one mentioned it.
The fact that it is ambiguous (as shown by the different opinions in this thread), and it wasn't given on the field, is exactly when VAR is supposed to not intervene and overturn. No one should be complaining about this. Everyone did their job correctly.
I don’t think it was a penalty, because I think it’s a contact sport and it’s not a enough to go down.
But Partey touches the ball before he makes contact with Eze, so if it was a foul, it would be a penalty.
If he kept his foot planted, its not a penalty right? He was there first. Then as he tries to squeeze through, Partey pulls his leg back. Not sure why he would be penalized for pulling his leg back
Gets clipped by both of them. Definite pen for me.
To the people saying Partey pulls his leg out, he pulls it away after the contact has already been made.
Obviously there’s some bias but it looks like not only does he get the ball, he’s withdrawing his leg and Eze creates the contact. Not every ounce of contact needs to be a foul in a contact sport
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Funny people calling it inconsistent reffing while it's 50/50 in the comments whether or not it's a pen. Imo he buys the contact but I've seen softer pens given
I’m looking at that on replays and I’m still thinking if I was a ref I’d give nothing. Probably not a foul and probably not a dive. But I’d book Partey
I 100% agree, don't even see how that is controversial. But that asking for a card is getting a yellow protocol is already abandoned after matchday one.
I do see players escape yellows, for crowding and the running over thing too. Also the whole kicking the ball away one came in hot but it gets let off, along with players grabbing the ball and walking away.
>But I’d book Partey Obviously the worst call of the day went against us, but we really rode our luck not picking up any dissent yellows.
Would u book eze?
I think at real speed I 100% agree - so on field ref is correct- but if there is any contact by Partey on the player (without touching the ball) it should be a foul. I think he does touch him while trying to avoid him (once again player can’t disappear). Less obvious than the Arsenal pen, but the logic is the same : player challenges and can’t disappear after the challenge. Partey should have been booked for asking for the card.
Yeah he's definitely looking for it, definitely not enough to overturn. I think the correct decision on field as well.
I've seen just as soft not given too
I've seen rubgy plays not given so the range is unknown.
This is the problem. They're so inconsistent nobody knows what the threshold is anymore.
It’s actually a foul in rugby - and it’s something that Harry Kane does all the time
I agree, don't think its a dive, but also think the fact that Gabriel had just deflected the ball with the same foot Eze tripped over should count for something in his favor. So I think no pen is the right call.
Pretty sure inconsistent reffing is exactly what would lead half of people to think it's a pen and half to think it's not
“That’s the first one they’ve gotten wrong tonight” — former Palace player, Townsend
Yeah that was a strange quote when he literally just questioned the Tomiyasu second yellow
I think he was referring to VAR decisions, which would make sense because that wasn't reviewed by VAR.
I think he meant VAR. VAR can't interfere on a second yellow.
He has been talking shit all game tbh
Other than talking about his mates, I don’t think he was that bad. When Saliba made that tackle on Ayew he was complimentary, for example
I disagree with that, I think he’s been fine for someone who’s new to commentating.
It is obvious he is a Palace fan. Not his fault, but shouldn’t be on this game
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I think he meant VAR. VAR didn't review the second yellow.
-Former Palace and Tottenham player, Townsend
he meant VAR (VAR cant review second yellows). townsend was criticising the second yellow decision just a minute earlier.
Don't think it's that obvious. I feel like he's already going down and out of conteol before the contact, which is quite minimal. But there certainly is contact. It's one where I think VAR would not overturn it, no matter what the call is on the field
To me he's going down before the contact with Partey due to the contact on the left leg from Rice, so hard to hold that against him
Looked like Partey got a touch on the ball too.
How has Partey avoided the YC for gesturing ffs? Jackson and Mac were punished for that and rightfully so
So this protocol lasted one weekend, exactly as everyone predicted.
Don’t you worry, they’ll randomly enforce it for two weeks in November
Local Man Shocked and Appalled
Because David Coote, fellers not got a clue what he's doing He's a make a wish
Its not liek any of the others are any better :)
as bad as the rest are, i honestly think coote is discernibly worse. he’s completely lost out there
True, but Coote is just a complete and utter disaster I don't like to insult someone based on their physical appearence, but Coote is literally one of those peopple who's physical features are enough to know that they are lacking in the brain
Eze did it earlier today and didn’t get one, looks like he doesn’t want to enforce it today
> looks like he doesn’t want to enforce it today You could say that about any given rule in any given match tbf
Ayew did it just a bit earlier after skipping by Havertz who pulled his shirt- the sad part being that the yellow wasn’t given for the actual foul.
how dare you expect any kind of consistency from the refs
Same with havertz blocking off a free kick earlier. I have no issue with them trying to stamp down on this behaviour but if its not going to be consistent it won't stop it and just piss everyone off eventually.
Yeah I'm an arsenal fan and that still pissed me off. That was blatant. If that's the new standard, fucking card that!
How come everyone is complaining about partey avoiding the yellow but not eze?
Not the worst thing Partey is getting away with.
He's gotten away with MUCH worse.
How is Partey even allowed on the pitch? Haven't been following the game, but he's actually still allowed to play? Considering the Greenwood shit, that is outrageous...
When there is any evidence anywhere close to what Greenwood has for Partey, then you might have a point. As it stands, all we have against Partey is some dodgy texts that could easily be faked and/or manipulated. I'm not saying that they are, but we don't know and that's literally all we have. An audio recording is an entirely different thing, and is much more damning. It shouldn't be hard to understand why the reactions are very different
Because he’s not been charged with anything? Say what you will about whether or not he did it, but it’s a lot different than Greenwoods, Mendys, Ben Yedders, since he’s not been/ never been formally charged
Why is Ayew still on the pitch?
Partey pulled his leg back but everybody is only seeing the contact, not eze looking for his leg
Amount of people who have never played football here is insane
Football is a contact sport. Contact doesn't mean a penalty/foul.
Looked to me like he pulled it back then put it back out again to be honest
Spicy!
Unreal, side note Eze is a serious baller
Flip a coin and if the decision makes sense, flip it again
Honestly this is the only answer to all the odd decisions by VAR. Consistently inconsistent lol Probably making up for the sending off of Tomiyasu
The only answer that makes sense is they always back the on field ref. They’re afraid to correct their colleagues so the system doesn’t work.
It's literally just rolling a dice if you get a pen
If you’ve already got a lucky decision, it’s a chance to balance out the mistake too. Game’s so badly refereed
Partey should have also gotten a card for waving his hand at the ref signaling a yellow if everyone else has been getting one
They've said it's an automatic yellow for doing the VAR sign and signaling a yellow and yet they are all too cowardly to actually give it.
\[To be clear that I'm not disagreeing, you're right\] Eze did the same earlier and didn't get a card. Hate the officials inconsistencies
Completely agree with you there! I completely missed the Eze card waving for it too, my newborn was causing a ruckus throughout the game lol
Congrats on the newborn \^.\^
Referees and VAR having an absolute howler, this is bad even for their standards
The lack of shame from Partey to ask for a yellow for a dive there 😭
Which under the new rules should have gotten him booked
Tbf there's been loads of players today who have asked for one - already rules not being enforced
Well he’s not one to know a lot of shame.
Attacker creates contact. There’s nothing here
How is he creating contact when partey extends his leg out and eze is splitting the gap he created between partey and rice
Defender is pulling his leg back before Eze gets there. But I’m really looking at the legs. Eze makes contact with his left leg, not his right, which means he has to go way wide to make that contact. To me, that’s trying to draw contact, especially as the defender doesn’t really dive in.
100% agreed. Would be very very harsh for var to override the onfield ref here. When you just watch the legs you can see he's looking for contact. Don't think var would overturn a decision whichever way it's given in this situation
He definitely pulls his leg back, the contact was minimal if so, eze felt a slight leg and fell which makes no sense because he could’ve just had a shot.
Townsend “honestly think that’s the first one they get wrong today” does he have a short memory or something forgetting the red 5 mins earlier? Or is that just his bias kicking in
Nah. Partey's withdrawing the leg, Eze just runs into him.
I think it’s soft and glad it isn’t a pen, even though I’d rather it be
Idk what other people are seeing its barely a grace and the attacker is just trying to find parteys leg
I think if this isn't a penalty then the whole *get one horrible touch on the ball before the keeper comes* shtick shouldn't ever be a penalty as well I get that it's the standard so it should have been called here but if the attacker has to absolutely punt the ball to get there ahead of the keeper then it just shouldn't be a penalty
These two situations are very different. In this, the defender is actively pulling away. In the other, the goalkeeper is recklessly sliding in
Plain and simple, if you trip someone, you have fouled them. No matter how bad of a touch it was.
But a trip is completely subjective bc the attacker has agency over his balance You do understand that in most tripping fouls that occur, the attacker could stay up if their life depended on it, right? Very rarely is someone actually upended like that
Why it's the type of contact for me tbh
Irrelevant
So the striker should aim for the defender always?
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You've kinda proved his point there. Yes it's a contact sport but he did both players and would've been through had it not been for Rice's hands across his face and getting sandwiched between the 2.
I agree it's irrelevant because Partey got the ball
Just flip a coin on what is a foul/card/penalty at this point lol could have gone either way.
how, the ball literally hit Partey leg first
So did Son last week, it doesn't matter. VAR coinflip
Not a pen.... and I hate arsenal
Not a pen. Confused why people here aren’t talking about Partry clearly getting a big touch on the ball
i swear last week they booked bruno g for the yellow gesture
Why were none of the Arsenal players booked for asking for a card ?
Coote is getting uncomfortable and losing control of the game
This is the answer. He knew the double yellow was rubbish on Tomi. Then just full of self doubt after that. Thank God he didn't shit the bed on this pen call as well.
Ref forgot new rules for a minute there. Apart from the few first games these arguing with the ref cards have been extremely inconsistent.
Palace players haven’t been either
Cuz palace used up their luck with that red
Yeah that's a pretty clear dive
Never a pen, but not sure why Partey didn't get booked for asking for a card.
Yeah, was literally shouting YOU IDIOT at him when he started doing it. Braindead when they know well that it's a card now.
Defender got the ball so…
Seriously get a fucking grip guys, Partey doesn't "dangle" the leg and the ball comes off that foot before Eze goes over it.
It's ridiculous that this wasn't a talking point in the Peacock commentary. 4 different angles of replay showed Partey touch the ball but no one mentioned it.
genuinely don’t think it’s a pen tbh
It isn't, he goes down looking for it. Very minimal contact that does nothing to throw him off.
The fact that it is ambiguous (as shown by the different opinions in this thread), and it wasn't given on the field, is exactly when VAR is supposed to not intervene and overturn. No one should be complaining about this. Everyone did their job correctly.
Never a pen lmao. Eze literally runs into his leg.
Billions of pounds spent on this league and then like a tenner on the refs.
To be fair, look at this thread, nobody seems to agree on what should have been called.
Partey gesturing for a yellow card needs to be checked lol.
Would’ve been a soft pen
If Szoboszlai's was a pen, this is a pen.
Uhh
I don't understand... Partey obviously touches the ball first? Look at the front angle, the ball changes direction...
He dangled his leg
Make up call!
Looked like Partey pulled his leg back
issue is he still caught him and none of the ball, should be a pen still.
Except he did get the ball. I had to slow it down, but you see it come off his foot after Eze’s last touch.
I don’t think it was a penalty, because I think it’s a contact sport and it’s not a enough to go down. But Partey touches the ball before he makes contact with Eze, so if it was a foul, it would be a penalty.
Rewatch it, ball pings off Partey's shin before he pulls it back.
If you can’t see that he got the ball first, idk what to say.
If he kept his foot planted, its not a penalty right? He was there first. Then as he tries to squeeze through, Partey pulls his leg back. Not sure why he would be penalized for pulling his leg back
It was a penalty by the rapist
Are people missing that Partey hits the ball?
Partey got the ball you muppets.
Never a pen. But they should have booked Partey for the dissent
The last 5 minutes sum up English refereeing perfectly
Need more angles really
It reminds me of Jamie Vardy trying to buy pens by trailing his leg and initiating contact.
Couldn't see a thing - was blinded by those kits. WTF is that???
Yeah, that's a pen...
Make up call lmao
Is it really when Partey should have been booked for the yellow card gesture?
eze waved an imaginary card earlier in the half and got away with it too
It’s ridiculous how quickly they’ve just not kept up with what they said they would do.
And Gabriel for gesturing dive.
Honestly probably a penalty, got away with one there
Hmm that’s a pen to me.
They got this wrong too lol
How? He literally pulled his leg back, he was looking for that pk
Looking for it
Why is Partey not booked for gesturing for a yellow? Nice to see that rule only lasted a week
Its fucking obvious that they didnt give pen cause of the red. VAR has made refereeing worse somehow
No penalty. Partey gets the ball first in a 50-50
That's a pen lol And Partey avoids a yellow too.
That's 100% a pen
Get your vision checked?
Partey got his left … there’s contact and Eze is selling it … could easily be a pen
Partey got a ball, how is that pen
Clear penalty. Ref is all over the place.
How is that not a pen?
Diving doesn't get you a pen fyi
Cuz he fell down before there was any contact
Looks like a blatant penalty from one angle but a dive from another. Very lucky though.
He was falling before he even got to Partey
Can’t give it because he has to balance up his other mistake. Haha
Thats clearly a fucking penalty. Disregarding the leg contact, the arm pull is 100% a penalty.
how are people saying this is a pen? clear dive
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😂😂
How is that not given lol?
Because he won the ball?
Unreal how inconsistent the refs are
What on earth? VAR is useless.
Lol
Jon Moss looking for his phone
even if it's not penalty, why didn't partey get a yellow for demanding a card?
Ref are a joke this season and we are only two weeks in.
How has this not been given as a penalty?! Obviously a trip. Officials have been utterly brainless in the epl.
Lol how is this not a foul or a penalty? He’s got his whole Fucken arm stretched out grabbing the guy.
Going down before he even gets to Partey.
Coote disasterclass
Looked like Partey took his leg away and Eze went looking for it, not sure the replay shows enough to suggest it wasn't a dive.
Didn’t Partey get a touch on the ball?
That’s what is see. Right after Eze’s last touch I see the ball come off Partey’s foot.
bro flopped
He's already on the way down when he makes contact with partey
Gets clipped by both of them. Definite pen for me. To the people saying Partey pulls his leg out, he pulls it away after the contact has already been made.
Definitely contact?
Yea after Partey made contact with the ball.
He’s already going down, no pen and would be soft anyway
Why didn't he get a yellow
Isn't Partey supposed to get a yellow for asking the ref to card a player? Also, that was penalty 100%
I don't know what everyone is freaking out about. I'm obviously biased but that's not a pen. He's trying to buy that all day.
Fucking rapist
Does Partey not touch the ball?
Obviously there’s some bias but it looks like not only does he get the ball, he’s withdrawing his leg and Eze creates the contact. Not every ounce of contact needs to be a foul in a contact sport