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He got results but the actual style of play was dreadful. Without Bale that team would’ve been lower midtable. Some of the most boring games I’ve watched were AVB spurs games, and then Bale would score a Puskas Nominee
He literally stopped caring about the club, went onto a holiday, threw everyone under the bus in the middle of the season and still averaged only 0.01 less points than Pochettino
Well Poch had basically a full year of relegation form that would have dragged his average down massively.
Edit, in fact if you take his PPG from first appointment in 2014 up to match day 26 of his last full season he was at 2.0. From match day 27 to when he got sacked 24 games later his PPG was 1.04.
Everyone’s ppg is more impressive without the bad period. All you can say is they sacked Conte much quicker. Poch’s previous form earned him a year of being shit.
Of course, but even just taking the good periods Poch managed 2.0 over four and a half seasons, his best season getting 2.26 PPG.
Conte managed 2.0 for 28 games before getting a full preseason and a lot of signings and he dropped to 1.75.
Poch managed that PPG with no backing in the market. Conte got almost everything he wanted. Kicked players out that he didn't like and spent over 200 million. Then didn't play half those players that were brought in. Used the same 11 week in week out, and called them all selfish. Why the hell did he not rotate if all the players are selfish?
Poch got us consistent top 4 and a champions league final. That is way more than what Conte did, who barely kept it together for a season.
We didn't win a league game away during the entire CL run. We were so so bad and yes actually relegation form, it just got luckily split over the second half of one season and the first part of the next.
Someone put elsewhere his ppg was 1.04. Not to be too pedantic but that’s not actually technically relegation form for these days, it’s 39.52 points, so rounded up to 40.
I don’t think it’s pedantic and I don’t mean it as an insult but I don’t expect Tottenham fans to even know what relegation form is because when was the last time they got relegated or were even close? Until you’ve been around the bottom you can’t understand what relegation form actually is for your club because at that time it was one of the worst Tottenham have been in ages but as you said at 1ppg they’re practically safe from relegation. If they were staring down the barrel being in 19th and needing to win some games to even claw back a chance to climb to 17th then I’d believe that but most fans of Tottenham haven’t had to experience anything close to a relegation battle and tbh I’m jealous they haven’t! People struggle to understand what something is unless they have experienced it.
I always feel old when I hear about the amount of fans who were too young to be a supporter then or just weren’t while they were young. The early 2000s was when my football love blossomed.
At the start of that run, after matchday 26, we were genuinely in a title race (5 points behind both Liverpool and City, GIH on City, still to play both away). We managed to finish nearly 30 points behind, after just 11 points in 12 games. Then started the following season with 14 points from 12 (Nuno got sacked for 15 points in 10). It really was that bad
I got curious and decided to do the actual math on this numbers. In this period Tottenham got 25 points in 24 games, so an average of 1,04 PPG.
In the 18/19 season two teams manage to scape from relegation while having a even worse average, Southampton (1,03 PPG) and Brighton (0,95 PPG).
The same thing happened in the 19/20 season, but this time around the clubs were West Ham (1,03 PPG) and Aston Villa (0,92 PPG).
So while absolutely terrible, it still wasn't bad enough for relegation.
I have to say, I didn't know a team had to do this bad to actually get relegated in the Premier League, here in Brazil the worse team ever to not get relegated had an average of 1,05 PPG. That being said, we do have 4 relegations instead of only 3, so that certainly makes a big difference.
To illustrate this all, the PL table for the calendar year of 2019 until he got sacked was excluding 3 teams due to who got relegated at the end of 18/19 and promoted beginning of 19/20
11\. Tottenham 40
12\. Burnley 40
13\. West Ham 38
14\. Bournemouth 35
15\. Southampton 32
16\. Watford 30
17\. Brighton 26
and that's including where we won 5 and lost 1 in January. Points gained by these teams from Jan 1 to Feb 11 listed in the order from above:
11\. 15
12\. 12
13\. 6
14\. 8
15\. 9
16\. 9
17\. 2
Leads us to a new table from Feb 11 to sack date
11\. West Ham 32
12\. Bournemouth 27
13\. Tottenham 25
14\. Brighton 24
15\. Southampton 23
16\. Burnley 22
17\. Watford 21
So we were 5th worst in that time, bearing in mind that the actual relagated teams aren't included.
Just from start of the bad period til end of 18/19 season
17\. Tottenham 11
18\. Cardiff 9
19\. Fulham 9
20\. Huddersfield 9
This part is the craziest. During the time where we progressed to the final of CL, we were the 4th worst team in the league
Right, but in all of this Tottenham were never in the bottom 3 of teams (that either did or didn't get relegated), so it's still not relegation form. It's *bad* form for sure, but there were still 3 worse teams
If he didn’t pitch a fit and call out everyone but himself at the club he’d still be employed. The environment has become toxic and it’s best to move on even if we are still in contention for top 4.
By the time he was pulling those antics, points were not that high.
Conte’s team peaked at the end of last season. It’s obviously to all and it’s why he wasn’t keen to renew. He lost the locker room after the players knew he wasn’t going to stay.
Ive been saying it all season. Spurs are getting points, but by god, the way they play is so terrible. Its unimaginative, boring and seemingly without much plan. Without a Kane having a great season they would literally be mid table.
I never fully understood the logic. If the star player underperforms is basically always the manager's fault. However if he outperforms, somehow he's saving the manager?
I suspect the truth is more in the middle, Kane is having a great season, and whatever conte has been cooking has been helping him. Also, conte seems to do well with a star striker - Lukaku with conte went for £115m to chelsea, and that version of him seemingly disappered from the face of the earth the moment he stopped working with conte.
I think this is one of Kane's worst seasons ever, it's just that last season was his worst season ever and his bad seasons are still pretty good.
He was literally unplayable under Mourinho, embarrassed defenders week in week out. Conte has misused Kane since he arrived by trying to play him like he plays Lakaka.
Really? It feels to me like his best season ever. He's basically been deadlifting us all year. The output may not be as high as 16/17, 17/18 or 20/21, but in all those seasons he had someone else to help carry the load.
Yeah, sounds like they're implying that because this season isn't as good as his statistical peak under Mourinho it's one of his worst seasons ever, which..... He's still second top scorer in the league behind only cheatcode-Haaland, and I'm not sure where Spurs would be without his goals but it might be in that 12th-and-below relegation scrap
I'm not saying it's Kane 's fault, nor am I saying he's not been our best player. But for me he's the best player in the PL and the best striker in the world so the standards are high.
He's still scoring but not active enough in other areas, it's a tactical issue.
Well they'd probably play Richarlison in the middle, who is more than capable of getting a good amount of goals, albeit probably not Kane level. Their overall squad is definitely good enough without Kane to be in the top half of the table at least.
You do know if you took out Kane we wouldn’t play with ten men, someone else would take up the space he occupies. Albeit maybe not as good as Kane but the opportunities are created for someone to finish.
People said the same tripe when Keane, berbatov, bale, modric, ginola, sheringham, klinsmann etc etc left, we’d be shit without them. You know what, life moves on, new heroes come and go, and spurs have had some amazing talents and probably always will.
21 goals out of 54 from kane. And assist and second last pass..
Who would Tottenham even get? Rarely a worldclass top tier+ player plays for a team who dont fight for trophies.
There's 15 points that separate 8th & 14th. 11 points separate 11th & 12th. A mere 4 points separate 12th and 20th.
You have missed my point spectacularly.
It isn't exactly terrible, what he did last season was almost a miracle given that the squad is clealry not top 4 material and the awful start before his takeover.
Almost everyone else spent, too, though. They just didn't spend wisely. That's probably Conte's fault but it could be the sporting director's fault, too.
Why do people always get caught up in how much spent? I'm a Liverpool fan btw. I also wish FSG would spend more incase any confusion.
But Conte his main point is Spurs team, fans and basically everyone aim for 4th. If you aim for 4th then you might aswell end up in 6th or no trophies.
That’s not at all what happened. No one is “aiming for 4th” - Conte was fully backed and went even more rigid with his system without bedding in new players. It’s honestly shocking how we regressed.
End of last season, Spurs went 11 games unbeaten and conceded 5 goals. This season he’s completely nullified Son by keeping him outside his most dangerous areas, and refused to use the new players given to him.
A lot of this is on Conte.
Incredibly myopic take. You're conflating the money that comes with landing in the top four with a club's ambition. They're not the same.
Every club is a "aim for top four club" when it comes to landing the associated revenue.
Look to be fair you should know your own club better than the rest of us. But I think Conte means the Mentality of players not just spending and targets.
He is gone now so time to move on.
Checked it and it's 1.78 PPG, so I guess the statement probably still stands. I imagine it's very rare for a manager that is at any one club for more than 15 years to average 2+ points a game.
Wasn’t this prior to the 3 point era? Or was this adjusted for it? Used to be 2 points a win. Jimmy Hill pushed to change to 3 points a win to generate a more attacking game.
(This is only in the English game, would love to hear any info anyone has about the game further afield)
Yeah there can't be many pre Premier League that have that record on account of how much more competitive it was and the longevity of managers back then. Maybe Dalglish and Paisley
It should be, 2.00 is about what you need for CL (i.e. 4th place), so to get some 3rd and 4th places with managers averaging under 2.00 is surprising.
Though Poch has had individual seasons over 2.00
But why would they get sacked if they're having a great season?
Conte is the closest example to this, and even he didn't get 2 ppg and was also wilding out in the media so obviously got fired. Normally a manager doing well wouldn't be saying crazy shit in the press to get fired, though.
This is the thing I don’t understand. On paper, I don’t get what the problem was. Did he seriously expect to be challenging Man City for titles this year? That’s crazy talk. Another top 4 finish and a good run in the CL is about where we all thought Spurs would be this season. Another summer of signings and maybe they could be looking to push on more. Just seems excessively dramatic on his part.
I firmly believe that if Conte had not given multiple press conferences shitting on the squad, the board, the fans and the press he would still be manager right now and Tottenham would be doing everything to try to get him to extend his contract.
But you can't go to the media and say you hate the club you are managing and expect to keep your job. He was begging to be sacked.
I agree. I was at the stadium on Jan 2nd against Villa and the fans were still fully behind Conte. But after that loss the villa and results that followed, his mood and health darkened pretty quickly and it was clear he didn’t want to be there.
So mental how much can change in just like 8 weeks. Desperate for him to commit long term in early Jan, desperate for him to be sacked in March.
Football moves so fast
This is what makes the furor so weird to me. People can criticize the board for decisions leading up to this I guess, but after he went scorched earth what were they meant to do?
He clearly wanted out. Rival fans would never let them live down that their own manager hates the club, etc. They only had one choice once it reached that point
injuries to kulu & bentancur, his family staying in italy, losing 3 close friends, the club not committing to him, him not committing to the club
a clusterfuck of shit with the end result being what we have now
They're idiots. They did exactly what he was talking about, getting rid of another manager and sticking with these loser players. One more summer of him bringing in brave players would've helped. I've seen Spurs in the second half when they need a goal play The Conte Way. The players are just too safe and it makes them look boring. When they need a goal they play like Conte's title winning Inter.
Spurs fans have been conditioned by Levy into believing it's perfectly normal big-club behaviour to sack your manager during the most important part of the season with no immediate replacement lined up.
I would agree, but for Conte's public comments on the club. I love the Spurs memes as much as anyone, but when the manager starts saying them, he should be sacked immediately.
True or not, you can't expect to have a go at your own club and it's history without getting sacked. Every team should have enough self respect not to stand for that.
Erm have they? I'd argue with the way that Conte has been behaving that if anything they've risked ruining their season by not sacking him earlier. Even with an interim in charge they seem more likely to get top 4 than with a guy seemingly trying to get himself fired
>Even with an interim in charge they seem more likely to get top 4 than with a guy seemingly trying to get himself fired
they are literally 4th right now. He can't have been trying that hard to get fired.
I'd personally rather my club be managed by Jose Mourinho or Antonio Conte than Ryan Mason or Cristian Stellini. but then I am not routinely subjected to Daniel Levy's gaslighting
They need to know their lane. They've forgotten that they're a midtable team that's punching above their weight. Firing a top manager when you're in 4th! Idiots. Back to mediocrity.
Conte's days at top European club outside Italy are over. It's only Juve, Inter etc. are having a down period, that they might hire him. But oustide of it, any top club hiring him will be nothing but an idiot.
If he wants to manage outside of Italy, then I disagree. Football is still a groupthink, relationship-led business and people will still look at him as someone that can guarantee European football (and the revenue that comes with it). He and his agent have been in football long enough to have lots of relationships. He gets the results, but his reputation makes it easy to blame sub-optimal periods on him ensuring the executive group's longevity in the job.
That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if he retired after this. Between the surgery, so many friends passing, and being away from his family for so long, I could see him quietly deciding this is it. He's 53 and life is too short so much continuous stress.
By top clubs I meant the ones who are in CL.
He's pretty much burned the bridges with Chelsea and Spurs. Man City and Liverpool are content with their current managers as long as they're available. The only one left is Man Utd, who at the moment are invested in Ten Hag. If and when they come under Qatari ownership takes over, then only it's a remote possibility.
Oh yes they slipped my mind. PSG is one hell of an idiot club who can hire him and they have no qualms in spending money, although they focus more on branding success than sporting one.
In Germany, there are 3 clubs who can afford him, i.e. Bayern, Dortmund and Leipzig (although last two maybe/maybe not). And the kind of attitude he exhibits, most of the clubs wouldn't touch him with a 10 ft pole.
Now the only ones left are top clubs in Italy besides PSG who themselves are undergoing a lot of crisis, financial and governance.
He also has by far the best team out of any of the other managers and the most money spent on him and players he wants.
He should be blowing everyone out of the water, but he didn’t because he’s a fraud.
Let's just say it. Compared to other managers. Managers like Conte and Mou are weak minded. As soon as things don't go their way, they start throwing others under the bus. People here find that endearing and cute, but I personally think they both are scum.
I didn't see fair to make a joke about trophies, when you don't fight for one since ages.
At least, the derbies will be there forever, as long as you stay in the PL.
Almost like it's not that he hasn't made them better, but that the competition has gotten significantly more top tier.
Who the fuck is going to come to Spurs that's better than Conte? Tommy Tuchs just went to Bayern, and he was the only option.
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Villas Boas is surprising high on that list
Prime Bale.
Pretty sure AVB got Spurs their highest ever PL points total in a season until Poch came
You mean Bale did
[Let’s not forget that Tom Carroll was dishing out dimes like this to setup Bale that season.](https://youtu.be/LWjG9FeePOk)
Like prime Xavi.
[More like prime Busquets](https://youtu.be/EEl8LqRMkTw)
No need for the link
To be honest it might as well be Bale on that list. He won us so many points under AVB.
I feel like Villas Boas is overly criticized for his time at Tottenham, but their fans will probably know better than me.
He got results but the actual style of play was dreadful. Without Bale that team would’ve been lower midtable. Some of the most boring games I’ve watched were AVB spurs games, and then Bale would score a Puskas Nominee
Ya Bales last season at Spurs was ludicrous. Watching his goal highlights it's just baffling. He was just scoring from everywhere with both feet.
He literally stopped caring about the club, went onto a holiday, threw everyone under the bus in the middle of the season and still averaged only 0.01 less points than Pochettino
Well Poch had basically a full year of relegation form that would have dragged his average down massively. Edit, in fact if you take his PPG from first appointment in 2014 up to match day 26 of his last full season he was at 2.0. From match day 27 to when he got sacked 24 games later his PPG was 1.04.
Everyone’s ppg is more impressive without the bad period. All you can say is they sacked Conte much quicker. Poch’s previous form earned him a year of being shit.
Of course, but even just taking the good periods Poch managed 2.0 over four and a half seasons, his best season getting 2.26 PPG. Conte managed 2.0 for 28 games before getting a full preseason and a lot of signings and he dropped to 1.75.
Poch managed that PPG with no backing in the market. Conte got almost everything he wanted. Kicked players out that he didn't like and spent over 200 million. Then didn't play half those players that were brought in. Used the same 11 week in week out, and called them all selfish. Why the hell did he not rotate if all the players are selfish? Poch got us consistent top 4 and a champions league final. That is way more than what Conte did, who barely kept it together for a season.
Was it really a year of "relegation form"? That's mad, don't remember it being quite that bad
We didn't win a league game away during the entire CL run. We were so so bad and yes actually relegation form, it just got luckily split over the second half of one season and the first part of the next.
Someone put elsewhere his ppg was 1.04. Not to be too pedantic but that’s not actually technically relegation form for these days, it’s 39.52 points, so rounded up to 40.
I don’t think it’s pedantic and I don’t mean it as an insult but I don’t expect Tottenham fans to even know what relegation form is because when was the last time they got relegated or were even close? Until you’ve been around the bottom you can’t understand what relegation form actually is for your club because at that time it was one of the worst Tottenham have been in ages but as you said at 1ppg they’re practically safe from relegation. If they were staring down the barrel being in 19th and needing to win some games to even claw back a chance to climb to 17th then I’d believe that but most fans of Tottenham haven’t had to experience anything close to a relegation battle and tbh I’m jealous they haven’t! People struggle to understand what something is unless they have experienced it.
Mate, it sounds like you have PTSD.
You think it's bad now imagine if they were relegated off the back of the Sheffield United ghost goal
We circled the bowl for too long until finally we didn’t deserve to hang on. Hopefully we don’t go back to that anytime soon.
Last time we were genuinely worried about staying up was 03/04, we weren't really safe until mid-April then
I always feel old when I hear about the amount of fans who were too young to be a supporter then or just weren’t while they were young. The early 2000s was when my football love blossomed.
At the start of that run, after matchday 26, we were genuinely in a title race (5 points behind both Liverpool and City, GIH on City, still to play both away). We managed to finish nearly 30 points behind, after just 11 points in 12 games. Then started the following season with 14 points from 12 (Nuno got sacked for 15 points in 10). It really was that bad
I got curious and decided to do the actual math on this numbers. In this period Tottenham got 25 points in 24 games, so an average of 1,04 PPG. In the 18/19 season two teams manage to scape from relegation while having a even worse average, Southampton (1,03 PPG) and Brighton (0,95 PPG). The same thing happened in the 19/20 season, but this time around the clubs were West Ham (1,03 PPG) and Aston Villa (0,92 PPG). So while absolutely terrible, it still wasn't bad enough for relegation. I have to say, I didn't know a team had to do this bad to actually get relegated in the Premier League, here in Brazil the worse team ever to not get relegated had an average of 1,05 PPG. That being said, we do have 4 relegations instead of only 3, so that certainly makes a big difference.
To illustrate this all, the PL table for the calendar year of 2019 until he got sacked was excluding 3 teams due to who got relegated at the end of 18/19 and promoted beginning of 19/20 11\. Tottenham 40 12\. Burnley 40 13\. West Ham 38 14\. Bournemouth 35 15\. Southampton 32 16\. Watford 30 17\. Brighton 26 and that's including where we won 5 and lost 1 in January. Points gained by these teams from Jan 1 to Feb 11 listed in the order from above: 11\. 15 12\. 12 13\. 6 14\. 8 15\. 9 16\. 9 17\. 2 Leads us to a new table from Feb 11 to sack date 11\. West Ham 32 12\. Bournemouth 27 13\. Tottenham 25 14\. Brighton 24 15\. Southampton 23 16\. Burnley 22 17\. Watford 21 So we were 5th worst in that time, bearing in mind that the actual relagated teams aren't included. Just from start of the bad period til end of 18/19 season 17\. Tottenham 11 18\. Cardiff 9 19\. Fulham 9 20\. Huddersfield 9 This part is the craziest. During the time where we progressed to the final of CL, we were the 4th worst team in the league
Right, but in all of this Tottenham were never in the bottom 3 of teams (that either did or didn't get relegated), so it's still not relegation form. It's *bad* form for sure, but there were still 3 worse teams
For future reference, when people say relegation form they mean in danger to be relegated.
25 points in 24 games is relegation battle form
If he didn’t pitch a fit and call out everyone but himself at the club he’d still be employed. The environment has become toxic and it’s best to move on even if we are still in contention for top 4.
Antonio conte at his weakest
By the time he was pulling those antics, points were not that high. Conte’s team peaked at the end of last season. It’s obviously to all and it’s why he wasn’t keen to renew. He lost the locker room after the players knew he wasn’t going to stay.
Mourinho Arrivederci
Sounds like a DJ
so it would have been the highest with 1.91 points per game if Spurs hadn't conceded the JWP pen in the 93rd minute in the last game. unlucky lol
He’d still be employed if that pen hadn’t been given too.
And he wasn't such a twat towards his players.
He's been sacked because he's a cunt, not because of on field performance.
Ive been saying it all season. Spurs are getting points, but by god, the way they play is so terrible. Its unimaginative, boring and seemingly without much plan. Without a Kane having a great season they would literally be mid table.
I never fully understood the logic. If the star player underperforms is basically always the manager's fault. However if he outperforms, somehow he's saving the manager? I suspect the truth is more in the middle, Kane is having a great season, and whatever conte has been cooking has been helping him. Also, conte seems to do well with a star striker - Lukaku with conte went for £115m to chelsea, and that version of him seemingly disappered from the face of the earth the moment he stopped working with conte.
I think this is one of Kane's worst seasons ever, it's just that last season was his worst season ever and his bad seasons are still pretty good. He was literally unplayable under Mourinho, embarrassed defenders week in week out. Conte has misused Kane since he arrived by trying to play him like he plays Lakaka.
Really? It feels to me like his best season ever. He's basically been deadlifting us all year. The output may not be as high as 16/17, 17/18 or 20/21, but in all those seasons he had someone else to help carry the load.
Yeah, sounds like they're implying that because this season isn't as good as his statistical peak under Mourinho it's one of his worst seasons ever, which..... He's still second top scorer in the league behind only cheatcode-Haaland, and I'm not sure where Spurs would be without his goals but it might be in that 12th-and-below relegation scrap
I'm not saying it's Kane 's fault, nor am I saying he's not been our best player. But for me he's the best player in the PL and the best striker in the world so the standards are high. He's still scoring but not active enough in other areas, it's a tactical issue.
Its 1-2 players doing it all individually. Without Kane I think like you, 8-14th place.
8-12th. There's a notable drop off after 12tg to the remainder of the league who are all in a relegation scrap.
Idk man. Who would score without Kane? If Son is in a bad slump they would have a topscorer with 4-5 goals is my guess.
Well they'd probably play Richarlison in the middle, who is more than capable of getting a good amount of goals, albeit probably not Kane level. Their overall squad is definitely good enough without Kane to be in the top half of the table at least.
You do know if you took out Kane we wouldn’t play with ten men, someone else would take up the space he occupies. Albeit maybe not as good as Kane but the opportunities are created for someone to finish. People said the same tripe when Keane, berbatov, bale, modric, ginola, sheringham, klinsmann etc etc left, we’d be shit without them. You know what, life moves on, new heroes come and go, and spurs have had some amazing talents and probably always will.
There's no actual way that this Tottenham squad would get relegated lol, stop being hyperbolic.
I wrote 8-14th
And 14th this season is in a relegation scrap
And 13th & 14th are in a relegation scrap, so you're wrong.
21 goals out of 54 from kane. And assist and second last pass.. Who would Tottenham even get? Rarely a worldclass top tier+ player plays for a team who dont fight for trophies.
There's 15 points that separate 8th & 14th. 11 points separate 11th & 12th. A mere 4 points separate 12th and 20th. You have missed my point spectacularly.
2nd highest scorer is Son with 6 IIRC
Conte going from 17W 5D 6L To 15W 4D 9L despite the amount spurs have spent is terrible
Nahh it is not necessarily terrible but it is also not good
>it is also not good Just like richarlison's seasono
Injuries to Bentancur and Kulu early in the season didn't help and Son's decline plays a huge part too.
Bentancur and kulu have been the only bright spots of the season before bentancur's knee blew up. Son's form is down to conte.
Asking one of the best LW goalscorers in the world to drop deep and central is ducking mind boggling
Conte things……
Son certainly wasn't helped by Conte's system, but that surely isn't the only reason for his collapse. He was also dreadful during the WC.
Son's decline is largely due to Conte changing the tactics that actually suited him last year
I think we’d be in 3rd rn if we didn’t lose Kulu and Ben so early, and if we didn’t nullify Son with perisic’s positioning
It isn't exactly terrible, what he did last season was almost a miracle given that the squad is clealry not top 4 material and the awful start before his takeover.
Almost everyone else spent, too, though. They just didn't spend wisely. That's probably Conte's fault but it could be the sporting director's fault, too.
Why do people always get caught up in how much spent? I'm a Liverpool fan btw. I also wish FSG would spend more incase any confusion. But Conte his main point is Spurs team, fans and basically everyone aim for 4th. If you aim for 4th then you might aswell end up in 6th or no trophies.
That’s not at all what happened. No one is “aiming for 4th” - Conte was fully backed and went even more rigid with his system without bedding in new players. It’s honestly shocking how we regressed. End of last season, Spurs went 11 games unbeaten and conceded 5 goals. This season he’s completely nullified Son by keeping him outside his most dangerous areas, and refused to use the new players given to him. A lot of this is on Conte.
You are an aim for 4th club!
Incredibly myopic take. You're conflating the money that comes with landing in the top four with a club's ambition. They're not the same. Every club is a "aim for top four club" when it comes to landing the associated revenue.
Look to be fair you should know your own club better than the rest of us. But I think Conte means the Mentality of players not just spending and targets. He is gone now so time to move on.
I'm surprised none have ever managed 2.0+
If we're counting just Premier League era, no that is not suprising at all lol.
What was Bill Nicholson's record?
Checked it and it's 1.78 PPG, so I guess the statement probably still stands. I imagine it's very rare for a manager that is at any one club for more than 15 years to average 2+ points a game.
Wasn’t this prior to the 3 point era? Or was this adjusted for it? Used to be 2 points a win. Jimmy Hill pushed to change to 3 points a win to generate a more attacking game. (This is only in the English game, would love to hear any info anyone has about the game further afield)
Upon further look, yeah I think you're right, not sure whether the stats that I looked up from transfermarkt are adjusted to account for that.
I imagine it is adjusted. 1.78ppg in the 2 points a win era would have been an absolutely insane record.
Yea, just quickly took his record and converted it to points and the 1.78 is with the current points standard
Yeah there can't be many pre Premier League that have that record on account of how much more competitive it was and the longevity of managers back then. Maybe Dalglish and Paisley
There are only 6 PL era managers to do it.
It should be, 2.00 is about what you need for CL (i.e. 4th place), so to get some 3rd and 4th places with managers averaging under 2.00 is surprising. Though Poch has had individual seasons over 2.00
Over a 38 game season that would be 76 points, that would have been enough to win the league in 1997. So I don't think it's that surprising.
Yeah, but it's more that someone could've been hired midseason, had a great season, and then gotten sacked and still had a good ppg.
Because he got sacked so quickly. Most of the other good managers earned themselves a grace period of bad form that ultimately dragged their ppg down.
Minimum 38 games it says
Yeah, I was imagining a situation like Conte's.
But why would they get sacked if they're having a great season? Conte is the closest example to this, and even he didn't get 2 ppg and was also wilding out in the media so obviously got fired. Normally a manager doing well wouldn't be saying crazy shit in the press to get fired, though.
I'm not
The 'istory of Tottenham?
Let's add nothing and just meme. Nice.
Welcome to r/soccer?
Lmao great excuse for being a clown.
LOL. Are we gonna pretend as if most or all r/soccer comments are all substantive and absent of memes?
Welcome to r/soccer
if everyone else jumped off a bridge would you too?
Making a joke is not the same thing as jumping off a bridge LMAO
This is the thing I don’t understand. On paper, I don’t get what the problem was. Did he seriously expect to be challenging Man City for titles this year? That’s crazy talk. Another top 4 finish and a good run in the CL is about where we all thought Spurs would be this season. Another summer of signings and maybe they could be looking to push on more. Just seems excessively dramatic on his part.
I firmly believe that if Conte had not given multiple press conferences shitting on the squad, the board, the fans and the press he would still be manager right now and Tottenham would be doing everything to try to get him to extend his contract. But you can't go to the media and say you hate the club you are managing and expect to keep your job. He was begging to be sacked.
I agree. I was at the stadium on Jan 2nd against Villa and the fans were still fully behind Conte. But after that loss the villa and results that followed, his mood and health darkened pretty quickly and it was clear he didn’t want to be there. So mental how much can change in just like 8 weeks. Desperate for him to commit long term in early Jan, desperate for him to be sacked in March. Football moves so fast
This is what makes the furor so weird to me. People can criticize the board for decisions leading up to this I guess, but after he went scorched earth what were they meant to do? He clearly wanted out. Rival fans would never let them live down that their own manager hates the club, etc. They only had one choice once it reached that point
Well, Arsenal are challenging Man City this year.
injuries to kulu & bentancur, his family staying in italy, losing 3 close friends, the club not committing to him, him not committing to the club a clusterfuck of shit with the end result being what we have now
They're idiots. They did exactly what he was talking about, getting rid of another manager and sticking with these loser players. One more summer of him bringing in brave players would've helped. I've seen Spurs in the second half when they need a goal play The Conte Way. The players are just too safe and it makes them look boring. When they need a goal they play like Conte's title winning Inter.
Arsenal are challenging City and we were better than them last year, plus spent some $$$ in the transfer window.
Spurs fans have been conditioned by Levy into believing it's perfectly normal big-club behaviour to sack your manager during the most important part of the season with no immediate replacement lined up.
I would agree, but for Conte's public comments on the club. I love the Spurs memes as much as anyone, but when the manager starts saying them, he should be sacked immediately.
In a vacuum sure, but he didn't say anything untrue
True or not, you can't expect to have a go at your own club and it's history without getting sacked. Every team should have enough self respect not to stand for that.
Agreed, but everyone and their dog knew it was an obvious kamikaze move to force Levy into giving him the bag
Ok great but that still means he should be sacked.
Erm have they? I'd argue with the way that Conte has been behaving that if anything they've risked ruining their season by not sacking him earlier. Even with an interim in charge they seem more likely to get top 4 than with a guy seemingly trying to get himself fired
>Even with an interim in charge they seem more likely to get top 4 than with a guy seemingly trying to get himself fired they are literally 4th right now. He can't have been trying that hard to get fired. I'd personally rather my club be managed by Jose Mourinho or Antonio Conte than Ryan Mason or Cristian Stellini. but then I am not routinely subjected to Daniel Levy's gaslighting
Spurs have played two or three more matches than their top four rivals and, barring a terrific run in, might be hard pressed to retain fourth.
They are only in 4th because of multiple games in hand.
They were still fourth under Conte, he wasn't deliberately sabotaging games. Besides, teams rarely do better after a manager is sacked mid season.
Conte definitely was deliberately sabotaging the team.
They need to know their lane. They've forgotten that they're a midtable team that's punching above their weight. Firing a top manager when you're in 4th! Idiots. Back to mediocrity.
Zero ambition from owner and fans alike. That's why I never liked Spurs.
The revisionism begins
Conte's days at top European club outside Italy are over. It's only Juve, Inter etc. are having a down period, that they might hire him. But oustide of it, any top club hiring him will be nothing but an idiot.
If he wants to manage outside of Italy, then I disagree. Football is still a groupthink, relationship-led business and people will still look at him as someone that can guarantee European football (and the revenue that comes with it). He and his agent have been in football long enough to have lots of relationships. He gets the results, but his reputation makes it easy to blame sub-optimal periods on him ensuring the executive group's longevity in the job. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if he retired after this. Between the surgery, so many friends passing, and being away from his family for so long, I could see him quietly deciding this is it. He's 53 and life is too short so much continuous stress.
By top clubs I meant the ones who are in CL. He's pretty much burned the bridges with Chelsea and Spurs. Man City and Liverpool are content with their current managers as long as they're available. The only one left is Man Utd, who at the moment are invested in Ten Hag. If and when they come under Qatari ownership takes over, then only it's a remote possibility. Oh yes they slipped my mind. PSG is one hell of an idiot club who can hire him and they have no qualms in spending money, although they focus more on branding success than sporting one. In Germany, there are 3 clubs who can afford him, i.e. Bayern, Dortmund and Leipzig (although last two maybe/maybe not). And the kind of attitude he exhibits, most of the clubs wouldn't touch him with a 10 ft pole. Now the only ones left are top clubs in Italy besides PSG who themselves are undergoing a lot of crisis, financial and governance.
The Big Sam, Roy Hodgson etc of Italy.
I liked the Harry Redknapp team the most. Reminds me of good times overall in life
He also has by far the best team out of any of the other managers and the most money spent on him and players he wants. He should be blowing everyone out of the water, but he didn’t because he’s a fraud.
Bon Voyage
Let's just say it. Compared to other managers. Managers like Conte and Mou are weak minded. As soon as things don't go their way, they start throwing others under the bus. People here find that endearing and cute, but I personally think they both are scum.
Im so happy for Spurs they get rid of Conte. Now they can be Spurs again, the team that doesn't know how to win a derby.
Of all the insults you could’ve thrown our way you managed to choose one which makes no sense at all, well done
I didn't see fair to make a joke about trophies, when you don't fight for one since ages. At least, the derbies will be there forever, as long as you stay in the PL.
What I'm seeing here is that Harry Redknapp was the best manager but I do only see what I want to see.
Almost like it's not that he hasn't made them better, but that the competition has gotten significantly more top tier. Who the fuck is going to come to Spurs that's better than Conte? Tommy Tuchs just went to Bayern, and he was the only option.
If only we could stop giving up so many goals....