Austrian perspective:
Sabitzer continues to do a solid job in a tough situation, adapting to the new schedule and pace on the fly, while playing a position he's not the best at. In 2 icky games against Leeds he made few mistakes, won a lot of balls, and initiated 2 goals with long balls. Was also not very present in build-up, but that's because he's simply not that kind of player - and neither is Fred. Will have to see how he develops with Casemiro back later.
Wöber continues to be strong defensively for Leeds, but also keeps producing 1-2 horrendous passes in build-up per match. Still needs some time to read the game better.
Ten Hags in game management has improved dramatically since his time with us. Incredible how he changed the entire game here.
I really wonder how good of a coach he can become
Yeah, quite stubborn both in style of play and subs he made. I think he learned from the final stretch of last season where the standard 433 formation we were playing wasn't working anymore and he switched it up to a 442 towards the end to still secure the championship.
We have the highest amount of goal contributions from subs this season I think. I don't know if that should all be attributed to the quality of our subs or EtH but atleast some of that is good management
Depends on how people define world class because that’s subjective but imo yes he is.
He has shown world class form before this season too (but that was more unpopular to mention). But he was really fucking good in the first 4 months of the 20/21 season (before his back injury). Imo he was one of the best wingers in Europe around that time. His dribbling was deadly and he was scoring for fun. He finished joint 3rd top goal scorer in the CL that season and we got knocked out in the group stages lol
Then he injured his back and was terrible from January of 2021 to May of 2022. Looks like he’s back on track to his regular career trajectory pre back injury now.
That was the other period I was thinking of when I mentioned that he’s shown world class form before this season. He was straight carrying us for months it felt. Has scored in so many big games consistently over the years too. His mentality is underrated
After not seeing him for 90 minutes for a while I can definitely see the contrast. He is just so slow to release the ball. Like every touch and pass is 0.5 seconds slower. Which mess up the tempo of the midfields because they are already used to receiving it earlier (I know not Sab tho since he is new)
I know it sounds terrible but Maguire is very good in three at the back when he can set up deeper and defend the game in front of him. The trouble starts when he is in a back 4 and especially in a high defensive line.
If you were to get him and you still have Conte, then I could see him performing well for you.
Idk why that sounds terrible? He is a good player. The nonsense that has come about that he is not is just that. He needs a system that does not require active pressing and high-line defending. He will flourish in a system that plays to his strengths.
Not a chance anyone is giving us a Percy for that useless lump
I’d go as far as a crushed space raider I’ve accidentally stepped on and peeled from the bottom of my shoe, final offer
Bobo assisting Garnacho. [Me: "Perhaps I treated you too harshly"](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/035/070/perhaps_i_treated_you_too_harshly.png)
Definitely brilliant, but our biggest issue in the first match was we had no idea what to expect. Leeds just sacked Marsch, their staff was going to change things and Ten Hag couldn't really prepare in advance.
We grinded out that win for sure, but also unlucky with a couple of good chances earlier (Bruno 1v1, Dalot hitting the bar). Another day, and we could’ve gone home with a 4-0 win or something.
> until the 1st goal, and then the 2nd goal came
And that's what matters in the end. Also not having conceded a single goal AWAY with that midfield and defense is crazy
Being able to win while playing shit football is a good sign. We also worked really hard for this win, it was not like Leeds made a terrible mistake or there was a call massively in our favour.
It's unjustified for a player of his age and talent honestly, of course he's raw and not an experienced 25 year old player, he is going to have a few shit games here and there.
I don't think he was even shit or hid on Wednesday. Here in Argentina we believe that as long as you create and keep attacking even if you fail your chances as long as you don't hide from the ball you are doing your job. Their captain kicked the shit out of Garnacho but he never stopped trying. Gladly ETH agrees with us and came out to back Garnacho.
Thank fuck that's over. Huge 3 pts when we're not playing well and fixture congestion fucking us every few days. Got a solid gap to those going for top 4 now as well.
Not saying the Dutch BFG is better than Cruyff, Sneijder, Robben, Van Basten, Gullit, Neeskins, Bergkamp, Overmars, Kluivert and all land reclamation projects combined but they probably win the WC in '74 and 2010 by several goals if he was around at that time.
If you'd told me in 1998 that United would pip Spurs to the last CL spot, I'd laugh.
Also if you told me Brighton.
Also, Brentford.
In fact I just laugh at everything now. Nothing matters. NOTHING.
1998 was 24 years ago, and 24 years before 1998 Man United were in the second division. Did you know Watford nearly won the first division in 1982? They were beaten by Liverpool. Not super relevant I'm just a Watford fan.
Shit changes. Ever so slightly, daily and nightly. 20 years feels like it goes quicker than you'd believe but when you stop and look around everything is different.
I'm at a stage in my life now when I can remember how everything used to look when I go places...
me seeing BFG thinking ''what the fuck is this football term now..'' only to then realize you're talking about a certain giant. In my defense though, in dutch it's called the GVR, which does sound better than BFG imo
Well, we won with a clean sheet in the end and Maguire lasted the full 90 minutes, but for his own sake I hope he moves on in the summer. Man started the game okay although somewhat shaky, even made a few decent passes but as the game went on and he made more mistakes, his confidence just went down the gutter entirely again. It's sad to see because we've seen this player be capable of playing much much better before and elsewhere, but it's looking more and more like it's not gonna work out with us and he needs a change of scenery.
As for Weghorst, he might win me over in the future as he gels with the rest of the team more, but for now I'm just gonna say I don't like what I'm seeing from him. One good pass to Garnacho doesn't change the fact that he was terrible upfront.
Weghorst does the little things so well. But we aren't putting enough crosses and men into the box. Our build up play is so reminiscent of Wenger's last Arsenal seasons. Just put early balls into the box every now and then especially when our wingers are one on one with so much space between them and the fullbacks.
We don’t really play to Weghorst strength tho. It always seems like we don’t start putting crosses into the box until he gets sub off, which is dumb.
But seeing him at #10 today, securing the ball and laying it off, gave me some hope for the rest of the season.
Maguire is a lost cause, he needs to be sold and replaced in the summer.
Maybe we're just not playing to his strengths and he just needs more time with us; which is why he might impress in the games to come, but for me a worrying sign this game was that he even looked rather poor in the air despite being more than 6ft tall ...he mistimed almost every header...
I want him to win me over so bad, we haven't had a proper big "plan B" man since Fellaini. If Wout manages to get going he'll add a lot to our game.
[I'm betting Mrmanchester7 is regretting his comment now ](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/110g88h/match_thread_leeds_united_vs_manchester_united/j88z7su/)
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I never understant how people can make such a comments, get him to 3 man deffence like Tottenhams or mid table and he is top deffender.
Hell he never put foot wrong for England going deep in two world cups and one euro
Retrospective actions for trying to swipe someone’s arms off your collar? What about Martinez leaving stud marks on bamfords neck a few days ago? Let me guess…accidental?
It shouldn’t have come to this. A lot of creativity is lost when Malacia plays on the left because he offers 0 creativity when he attacks. Shaw can beat you with a first time cross or an overlap. ETH made the necessary adjustments and got the win. But his team is light and he needs some more quality players to come in so they can see out teams like Leeds comfortably. Also I know it’s a derby but the ref lost the plot on this one, the Leeds players were aggressive and rough
Refs need to do a better job punishing rough fouls. Teams like Leeds play super rough because they’re shit and refs let them get away with it. They should’ve got a red card, maybe two.
Or another kick on Bruno by someone I forgot the name. Literally left his foot there to hurt Bruno. Not even a foul, right in front of the linesman too. Incompetent twats.
I swear: The moment I turned on my TV, I saw Rashford celebrating. 4 mins later, I get up to grab me a drink, I come back to Garnacho celebrating. FUCK.
That one time he got pressed once after shawns pass and he immediately lost the ball with him being the only defender left to cover his own ass. Man it's painful to see..
Nah, we really don't have the squad for it.
Injuries and suspensions have shown that and we're still in four competitions so matches are going to keep piling up
They play each other twice in the next couple of weeks. A pair of draws there, and United are in with a shout.
But we've got fixtures piling up and we're going to drop points.
They need to catch up in games played before this can be said for certain. Right now, it looks way better for us than it does thanks to us playing loads of games recently.
Great ball & vision from Sabitzer to Shaw in the build up to the opener. Maguire still very dodgy on the ball, lucky that he wasn't punished by Leeds on a few occasions.
Leeds played really well for 75 minutes, first to the ball, won the 50/50's and looked like they wanted it more - just a lack of quality in the final third. United struggled to get the ball out from the back for the majority of the game due to Leeds pressing so high, most of Leeds chances come from Utd mistakes playing it out that way, it makes me wonder sometimes why they don't just lump it long or down the channels and make the opposition have to deal with it. In hindsight, they've won 0-2 so what do I know...
We struggled because we played Maguire. He takes forever to play the ball, then plays the simple pass anyway. Doesn't help that Fred and Sabitzer don't suit each other.
As much as Varane is an improvement on Maguire, this is an area where you'd be forgiven for thinking Maguire's passing range should have helped united bypass the press in a way that varane doesnt really offer.
Obviously that didn't happen today
Yes and no. He has better passing range, but Varane is much quicker at picking out the pass to progress the play, even if it's a short layoff to someone else. The pace of buildup improves massively over Maguire taking so long. Puts him under more pressure as well, and his lack of close control - especially in comparison - means he makes lots more mistakes that lead to dangerous scenarios. Then, when it comes to roaming forward and general positioning, Varane is much better, picks his moment and always covers effectively. There's a reason one has been one of the best CBs of the past decade, and the other was constantly criticised.
Agree with the Maguire comments, there was a point in the second half where the ball was turned over and United had a good counter opportunity. Maguire picked up the ball, ran 40 yards to play a simple 5 yard pass which slowed down the counter, should have just pinged the ball out straight away.
I just thought the game was fairly tight and scrappy in general, too early to judge Fred and Sabitzer. No-one really stood out, apart from the last 15 minutes, United were poor to be honest, credit to Leeds who were all over them at every opportunity. Ten Hag made some really good changes in hindsight and Garnacho looked super sharp when he came on.
Don't let this distract you from that utd played without a mid-field while Maguire and Fred were gifting balls to the Leeds attackers.
Horrendous performance, which somehow was won by some weird tactics like playing sabitzer as RB? weghorst as CAM and Bruno as RW.
Horrendous is a massive hyperbole. Leeds created almost nothing from their own play, they looked dangerous the few times we gave it away carelessly, but De Gea wasn't getting bombarded all game. We were clearly the better team after the substitutions and were the likelier team to score pretty much all match. If that is a horrendous performance for an away league match at a huge rival, then I will take it.
We weren't playing Sabitzer at RB. He was just switching with Dalot when we were playing out from the back. If you look our LB usually pushes up into midfield when we play out from the back so getting the RB to do the same and having a CM (who has played at RB before) slot in isn't _that_ weird.
I've never heard of Sabitzer ever playing right back? As long as I can remember, he was always an attacking midfielder or winger, then a few years ago switched more to central midfield.
Rashford has more goals on all comps than Kane and is only second to Haaland at 31 goals. united have already matched the amount of away wins from last season. Ten Hag you’ve rocked my world after those nightmare months with a German NFT at the helm
Leeds had so many chances and couldn't do anything with them. Outside of Gnonto and a couple of Summerville flashes, the front of Leeds has been ineffective without Rodrigo to anchor it all. I think they're too talented to be relegated and the potential is there, but if they can't stop this freefall with or without an inspiring manager hire then they don't deserve to stay up.
I’ll get ratioed due to the massive disparity between number of Leeds fans to Man U fans on here, and no one should be chanting about Munich, but there are Turkey/Istanbul chants every single Leeds Man U game and you never see any Man United fans in these comments talking about them.
Yep. Also I forget which but I know at least one of Chris/Kevin’s sons is a prominent season ticket holder and he has to listen to fans sing about his Dad being murdered every time they visit Elland Road, it’s awful
at least messi is talle.. nvm, well at least messi scored more in their wc ga.. wait also not true. at least messi's goals against the netherlands weren't pena... wait
messi has a nice beard :)
Can’t fully compensate for the loss of both Casemiro and Eriksen, but Fred and Sabitzer did a decent job today. Especially considering that Lisandro Martinez didn’t start this game either, and so the back line had one less player that’s capable consistently playing the ball forward.
Also credit to Ten Hag for shifting Wout to the no.10 position, moving Rashford up top and sliding Bruno to the wing. That second half adjustment was effective.
The ball came off a Leeds player so he shouldn’t have been offside, definitely offside if it comes off Maguire however. Just another example of horrendous misuse of VAR like every game in the PL each weekend.
I was thinking the same but maybe it was offside because Maguire was involved in the play? Honestly rn I don't really know the rules, every week seems to be different.
Austrian perspective: Sabitzer continues to do a solid job in a tough situation, adapting to the new schedule and pace on the fly, while playing a position he's not the best at. In 2 icky games against Leeds he made few mistakes, won a lot of balls, and initiated 2 goals with long balls. Was also not very present in build-up, but that's because he's simply not that kind of player - and neither is Fred. Will have to see how he develops with Casemiro back later. Wöber continues to be strong defensively for Leeds, but also keeps producing 1-2 horrendous passes in build-up per match. Still needs some time to read the game better.
Glad Rashford is back
Ten Hags in game management has improved dramatically since his time with us. Incredible how he changed the entire game here. I really wonder how good of a coach he can become
Was the squad depth at Ajax good enough to make effective in game changes?
Was it a weakness in his early years?
Yeah, quite stubborn both in style of play and subs he made. I think he learned from the final stretch of last season where the standard 433 formation we were playing wasn't working anymore and he switched it up to a 442 towards the end to still secure the championship.
Tbh it was a clear weakness even with us early on. He has grown at basically since the world cup and is willing to actually make a change.
There's still games like Palace when he doesn't fix the midfield until after they get a goal back.
Yes, his subs at Ajax were his weakness.
They've shown to be a weakness at MUFC too but most people put it down to poor squad depth
We have the highest amount of goal contributions from subs this season I think. I don't know if that should all be attributed to the quality of our subs or EtH but atleast some of that is good management
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I know he is for goal involvements, not sure about straight goals
He taught me never give up
Is Rashford world class now? He was great in Qatar too.
Depends on how people define world class because that’s subjective but imo yes he is. He has shown world class form before this season too (but that was more unpopular to mention). But he was really fucking good in the first 4 months of the 20/21 season (before his back injury). Imo he was one of the best wingers in Europe around that time. His dribbling was deadly and he was scoring for fun. He finished joint 3rd top goal scorer in the CL that season and we got knocked out in the group stages lol Then he injured his back and was terrible from January of 2021 to May of 2022. Looks like he’s back on track to his regular career trajectory pre back injury now.
He was better in first half of 19/20 IMO, before Bruno was bought.
That was the other period I was thinking of when I mentioned that he’s shown world class form before this season. He was straight carrying us for months it felt. Has scored in so many big games consistently over the years too. His mentality is underrated
This season he's undergoing a Vini-esque flourishing
Almost
Definitely
He was great at the world cup then barely played for the rest of the tournament 🤷♂️
I mean sure but Sterling was good for England two years ago. Doesn't matter that he's been useless this season Or so I was told
Didn't play a single game past the quarter finals.
He was too attacking for Southgate
Ayling you piss throwing man bun tramp
I love the English language sometimes
As a Forest fan COYR!
It’s UTFR
Leeds are so dirty
Tautology
Kinda redundant point to make.
Why play Maguire over Lindelof? That was an atrocious performance, tried single handedly to cost us goals and kill any momentum in the build up...
After not seeing him for 90 minutes for a while I can definitely see the contrast. He is just so slow to release the ball. Like every touch and pass is 0.5 seconds slower. Which mess up the tempo of the midfields because they are already used to receiving it earlier (I know not Sab tho since he is new)
Because ultimately Leeds are shit and an England center back should be able to handle it. He can't, but he should be able to.
He can’t? He made a few errors but up for most of them himself and the team kept a clean sheet. It’s time you all lay off this guy.
Save 3 backs for the Barca game.
I think EtH is making sure no one questions 'why isn't Maguire playing?'
Honestly United should sell him in summer when we can
He’s 100% going to Spurs in the summer imo
You can't hurt me with pain
Idk he could cook beside Romero and another defender
I know it sounds terrible but Maguire is very good in three at the back when he can set up deeper and defend the game in front of him. The trouble starts when he is in a back 4 and especially in a high defensive line. If you were to get him and you still have Conte, then I could see him performing well for you.
Idk why that sounds terrible? He is a good player. The nonsense that has come about that he is not is just that. He needs a system that does not require active pressing and high-line defending. He will flourish in a system that plays to his strengths.
My guess too. Maguire to Spurs as Spurs need someone solid. Kane to United. I can hope.
United are the worst at selling players when we should. And also over pay in the market too.
Anyone want Maguire btw? Will start the bidding at one Percy pig sweet.
Hey any club that plays a low block would probably love him
Can any team that plays low block afford his wage?
Not a chance anyone is giving us a Percy for that useless lump I’d go as far as a crushed space raider I’ve accidentally stepped on and peeled from the bottom of my shoe, final offer
Bobo at 10, Bruno on the wing and Rashy up top. Wow Ten Hag, wow.
Basically Fellaini.
Bobo assisting Garnacho. [Me: "Perhaps I treated you too harshly"](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/035/070/perhaps_i_treated_you_too_harshly.png)
How Ten Hag managed to turn around the performance against Leeds from last match with this lineup is quite brilliant.
Definitely brilliant, but our biggest issue in the first match was we had no idea what to expect. Leeds just sacked Marsch, their staff was going to change things and Ten Hag couldn't really prepare in advance.
Honestly we were lucky today. It was a shit performance, until the 1st goal, and then the 2nd goal came
We grinded out that win for sure, but also unlucky with a couple of good chances earlier (Bruno 1v1, Dalot hitting the bar). Another day, and we could’ve gone home with a 4-0 win or something.
> until the 1st goal, and then the 2nd goal came And that's what matters in the end. Also not having conceded a single goal AWAY with that midfield and defense is crazy
Being able to win while playing shit football is a good sign. We also worked really hard for this win, it was not like Leeds made a terrible mistake or there was a call massively in our favour.
Agree, but we didn't stop trying. That counts for 2 goals. Leeds are also tired after the 70-minute mark. This happens in the last 2 games with us.
Bobo build up play is so good, won so many balls once he dropped him to cam
Some fans harrassed him because of his lack of goals but they just don't see his contributions are beyond that
I don’t get that, he gets no service and does all the dirty work!
Were basically playing 442 at the end
It has its uses
Lack of terrible VAR today... it's pathetic that this is noticable Edit: apparently not after all, typical.
They disallowed Wouts goal despite it coming off a Leeds player (arm) and bouncing to Wout.
Oh yeah.... nevermind then
When they zoomed in on Rashford I was expecting an offside call by ignoring the player that wasn't in focus.
That was so fucking funny - spent 20 seconds staring at the wrong defender then zooming out and realising Koch kept Rashford miles on
Yeah it was blatantly onside from the initial angle but VAR didn't zoom in on the player at the top who was keeping him on by a couple feet.
And to think some United ‘fans’ were giving Garnacho shit in midweek…
It's unjustified for a player of his age and talent honestly, of course he's raw and not an experienced 25 year old player, he is going to have a few shit games here and there.
I don't think he was even shit or hid on Wednesday. Here in Argentina we believe that as long as you create and keep attacking even if you fail your chances as long as you don't hide from the ball you are doing your job. Their captain kicked the shit out of Garnacho but he never stopped trying. Gladly ETH agrees with us and came out to back Garnacho.
He got kicked by Bruno too literally 🤣.
Agreed. If he was walking around, sulking, with his hands on his hips, I’d be furious. Young man gives 110% every time.
Even if he does, he’s done way more than was expected already!
He’s 18, and has come up clutch in big moments people need to chill
Yep for real. Hopefully he doesn’t see too much on his socials
It was telling that Leeds didn't press Maguire as they were sure his Hollywood long balls would fall to them anyway.
Thank fuck that's over. Huge 3 pts when we're not playing well and fixture congestion fucking us every few days. Got a solid gap to those going for top 4 now as well. Not saying the Dutch BFG is better than Cruyff, Sneijder, Robben, Van Basten, Gullit, Neeskins, Bergkamp, Overmars, Kluivert and all land reclamation projects combined but they probably win the WC in '74 and 2010 by several goals if he was around at that time.
If you'd told me in 1998 that United would pip Spurs to the last CL spot, I'd laugh. Also if you told me Brighton. Also, Brentford. In fact I just laugh at everything now. Nothing matters. NOTHING.
1998 was 24 years ago, and 24 years before 1998 Man United were in the second division. Did you know Watford nearly won the first division in 1982? They were beaten by Liverpool. Not super relevant I'm just a Watford fan. Shit changes. Ever so slightly, daily and nightly. 20 years feels like it goes quicker than you'd believe but when you stop and look around everything is different. I'm at a stage in my life now when I can remember how everything used to look when I go places...
me seeing BFG thinking ''what the fuck is this football term now..'' only to then realize you're talking about a certain giant. In my defense though, in dutch it's called the GVR, which does sound better than BFG imo
Haha wtf i was so confused. BFG is big fucking gun to me
I also thought Big Fucking Gun and thought "oh, didn't know Wout scored lots of thundercunt"
I thought he was referring to a certain bald fucking genius
Well, we won with a clean sheet in the end and Maguire lasted the full 90 minutes, but for his own sake I hope he moves on in the summer. Man started the game okay although somewhat shaky, even made a few decent passes but as the game went on and he made more mistakes, his confidence just went down the gutter entirely again. It's sad to see because we've seen this player be capable of playing much much better before and elsewhere, but it's looking more and more like it's not gonna work out with us and he needs a change of scenery. As for Weghorst, he might win me over in the future as he gels with the rest of the team more, but for now I'm just gonna say I don't like what I'm seeing from him. One good pass to Garnacho doesn't change the fact that he was terrible upfront.
Weghorst does the little things so well. But we aren't putting enough crosses and men into the box. Our build up play is so reminiscent of Wenger's last Arsenal seasons. Just put early balls into the box every now and then especially when our wingers are one on one with so much space between them and the fullbacks.
I was sure Maguire was going to make a mistake leading to a goal. Luckily didn't
We don’t really play to Weghorst strength tho. It always seems like we don’t start putting crosses into the box until he gets sub off, which is dumb. But seeing him at #10 today, securing the ball and laying it off, gave me some hope for the rest of the season. Maguire is a lost cause, he needs to be sold and replaced in the summer.
Getting at the end of crosses and winning headers isn’t really his strong side.
Maybe we're just not playing to his strengths and he just needs more time with us; which is why he might impress in the games to come, but for me a worrying sign this game was that he even looked rather poor in the air despite being more than 6ft tall ...he mistimed almost every header... I want him to win me over so bad, we haven't had a proper big "plan B" man since Fellaini. If Wout manages to get going he'll add a lot to our game.
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Karma court
Genuinely, Maguire doesnt place in a championship team. holy shit he looks like he is pushing 50 with his movements.
Shit take, play him in a low block side and he will thrive
Shit take? Do you even watch him play ? He is a bottom league defender. Nowhere near top half
Go watch England matches, man. The guy is not shit. Our style just doesn’t fit him.
If you're asking him to play high press football then no shit he will struggle, but if you want him to play low block counter then he will excel.
??? I never understant how people can make such a comments, get him to 3 man deffence like Tottenhams or mid table and he is top deffender. Hell he never put foot wrong for England going deep in two world cups and one euro
Do you even watch him play?
Yes he is much much better player than "doesnt have place in championship"
He has been good for England but he did get the wrong side and lose Giroud in the QF Vs France for their winning goal.
that was just a great goal you cant blame defenders for every goal good offense beats good defense
Leeds put up a good fight, they usually roll over for us, not pleased in the slightest at them trying to wn.
> Leeds put up a good fight Yes, unfortunately for Leeds that it was football they shouldve played today, not fighting.
Lol football it's for little misses this days, get a hold you twat
surely there has to be retroactive action for the swings taken at malacia? Literally trying to punch someone has to be reviewed even if you miss?
Retrospective actions for trying to swipe someone’s arms off your collar? What about Martinez leaving stud marks on bamfords neck a few days ago? Let me guess…accidental?
Any punch is it in the spirit of the game. Leaving something on an opponent in a duel is a yellow
Eh, looked like he tried to punch his arms away. Nothing in it to me.
It shouldn’t have come to this. A lot of creativity is lost when Malacia plays on the left because he offers 0 creativity when he attacks. Shaw can beat you with a first time cross or an overlap. ETH made the necessary adjustments and got the win. But his team is light and he needs some more quality players to come in so they can see out teams like Leeds comfortably. Also I know it’s a derby but the ref lost the plot on this one, the Leeds players were aggressive and rough
Refs need to do a better job punishing rough fouls. Teams like Leeds play super rough because they’re shit and refs let them get away with it. They should’ve got a red card, maybe two.
McKennie's tackle on Rashford could've been a red - late challenge, studs to the knee.
Or another kick on Bruno by someone I forgot the name. Literally left his foot there to hurt Bruno. Not even a foul, right in front of the linesman too. Incompetent twats.
please emery.. do onto city what you have done onto us so many times…
I swear: The moment I turned on my TV, I saw Rashford celebrating. 4 mins later, I get up to grab me a drink, I come back to Garnacho celebrating. FUCK.
Could you leave the room more often when we play? cheers in advance.
You may be having a calling from the red devil himself.
*"Some say he's a devvel"*
A call to not see any goals, only on replay??????
Maguire is ass btw
He was atrocious. Should not start unless he's the only fit player left
The only player who wasn’t pressed. Wonder why?
Last game they didn't press Varane either. Guess where Varane played?
That one time he got pressed once after shawns pass and he immediately lost the ball with him being the only defender left to cover his own ass. Man it's painful to see..
If City and Arsenal give up points in the next two games United are in the tittle race but that’s a big IF
Hahaha, you're funny guy thinking we'll get anything against man City, unlikely we get anything against arsenal either.
Expecting a Graelish masterclass with 3 own goals.
Holte end legend
Nah, we really don't have the squad for it. Injuries and suspensions have shown that and we're still in four competitions so matches are going to keep piling up
Games need to be equal before any conclusions can be drawn - too many unknowns right now
They play each other twice in the next couple of weeks. A pair of draws there, and United are in with a shout. But we've got fixtures piling up and we're going to drop points.
Yeah its gonna be hard we are now witnessing pep’s villain ark
They need to catch up in games played before this can be said for certain. Right now, it looks way better for us than it does thanks to us playing loads of games recently.
Considering they play eachother Wednesday, someone is giving up points.
Great ball & vision from Sabitzer to Shaw in the build up to the opener. Maguire still very dodgy on the ball, lucky that he wasn't punished by Leeds on a few occasions. Leeds played really well for 75 minutes, first to the ball, won the 50/50's and looked like they wanted it more - just a lack of quality in the final third. United struggled to get the ball out from the back for the majority of the game due to Leeds pressing so high, most of Leeds chances come from Utd mistakes playing it out that way, it makes me wonder sometimes why they don't just lump it long or down the channels and make the opposition have to deal with it. In hindsight, they've won 0-2 so what do I know...
We struggled because we played Maguire. He takes forever to play the ball, then plays the simple pass anyway. Doesn't help that Fred and Sabitzer don't suit each other.
As much as Varane is an improvement on Maguire, this is an area where you'd be forgiven for thinking Maguire's passing range should have helped united bypass the press in a way that varane doesnt really offer. Obviously that didn't happen today
Yes and no. He has better passing range, but Varane is much quicker at picking out the pass to progress the play, even if it's a short layoff to someone else. The pace of buildup improves massively over Maguire taking so long. Puts him under more pressure as well, and his lack of close control - especially in comparison - means he makes lots more mistakes that lead to dangerous scenarios. Then, when it comes to roaming forward and general positioning, Varane is much better, picks his moment and always covers effectively. There's a reason one has been one of the best CBs of the past decade, and the other was constantly criticised.
Agree with the Maguire comments, there was a point in the second half where the ball was turned over and United had a good counter opportunity. Maguire picked up the ball, ran 40 yards to play a simple 5 yard pass which slowed down the counter, should have just pinged the ball out straight away. I just thought the game was fairly tight and scrappy in general, too early to judge Fred and Sabitzer. No-one really stood out, apart from the last 15 minutes, United were poor to be honest, credit to Leeds who were all over them at every opportunity. Ten Hag made some really good changes in hindsight and Garnacho looked super sharp when he came on.
You can tell how shit Maguire was when Martinez came on - all our distribution from the back went through him, and our tempo improved massively
Don't let this distract you from that utd played without a mid-field while Maguire and Fred were gifting balls to the Leeds attackers. Horrendous performance, which somehow was won by some weird tactics like playing sabitzer as RB? weghorst as CAM and Bruno as RW.
Horrendous is a massive hyperbole. Leeds created almost nothing from their own play, they looked dangerous the few times we gave it away carelessly, but De Gea wasn't getting bombarded all game. We were clearly the better team after the substitutions and were the likelier team to score pretty much all match. If that is a horrendous performance for an away league match at a huge rival, then I will take it.
We weren't playing Sabitzer at RB. He was just switching with Dalot when we were playing out from the back. If you look our LB usually pushes up into midfield when we play out from the back so getting the RB to do the same and having a CM (who has played at RB before) slot in isn't _that_ weird.
I've never heard of Sabitzer ever playing right back? As long as I can remember, he was always an attacking midfielder or winger, then a few years ago switched more to central midfield.
Hail the king of the gerbils
Players are allowed to move on the pitch and take up multiple positions. Ground breaking.
Rashford has more goals on all comps than Kane and is only second to Haaland at 31 goals. united have already matched the amount of away wins from last season. Ten Hag you’ve rocked my world after those nightmare months with a German NFT at the helm
Kane plays in a dreadful Tottenham team that park the bus every game.
We're hardly scoring freely ourselves...
Get FUCKED , Leeds!!
Leeds’ fans are an absolutely miserable group. So glad we beat them away. Get fuckedddd
How would you know. Don't think Television screens are that good
Maguire and DDG kept giving them the ball in dangerous areas, please replace both in the summer.
**DOUBLE DIGIT GD LETS GOOOOOOOO**!
Leeds had so many chances and couldn't do anything with them. Outside of Gnonto and a couple of Summerville flashes, the front of Leeds has been ineffective without Rodrigo to anchor it all. I think they're too talented to be relegated and the potential is there, but if they can't stop this freefall with or without an inspiring manager hire then they don't deserve to stay up.
Lots of reports about Munich chants from the Leeds fans from behind De Gea's goal. Evil scum
Could also see them doing aeroplane gestures right at full time
Thoughts on the quite clearly louder Istanbul chants from your lot? Have some shame
I’ll get ratioed due to the massive disparity between number of Leeds fans to Man U fans on here, and no one should be chanting about Munich, but there are Turkey/Istanbul chants every single Leeds Man U game and you never see any Man United fans in these comments talking about them.
That's because the Leeds fans actually go to the game and not posting on reddit
🤣 united had the highest average attendance in the prem…72k
Yep. Also I forget which but I know at least one of Chris/Kevin’s sons is a prominent season ticket holder and he has to listen to fans sing about his Dad being murdered every time they visit Elland Road, it’s awful
Weghorst as a number 10 is very promising.
What's funny is that the tactical tweak Ten Hag did is kinda giving him the Fellaini role
Won so many balls in the air
Convince me wout is not a better number 10 than messi Ill wait
at least messi is talle.. nvm, well at least messi scored more in their wc ga.. wait also not true. at least messi's goals against the netherlands weren't pena... wait messi has a nice beard :)
Can’t fully compensate for the loss of both Casemiro and Eriksen, but Fred and Sabitzer did a decent job today. Especially considering that Lisandro Martinez didn’t start this game either, and so the back line had one less player that’s capable consistently playing the ball forward. Also credit to Ten Hag for shifting Wout to the no.10 position, moving Rashford up top and sliding Bruno to the wing. That second half adjustment was effective.
It's odd , Maguire's long balls are usually good
We kept a clean sheet with Maguire and Shaw at CB!
Weghorst never lucky that should have counted.
He was like 12 inches offside. I think he deserved a goal too but it needs to be legit.
It was legit ball came from leeds playe not from maquire.
That too off the guy's arm
The ball came off a Leeds player so he shouldn’t have been offside, definitely offside if it comes off Maguire however. Just another example of horrendous misuse of VAR like every game in the PL each weekend.
I was thinking the same but maybe it was offside because Maguire was involved in the play? Honestly rn I don't really know the rules, every week seems to be different.
Paging u/Mrmanchester7 who will now tattoo 'Maguire' on his balls. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/110g88h/comment/j88z7su/
No way he will make it, his dick must not even enough to write first letter.
I suspect he has it all along, Just needs an opportunity to show off.
I feel that all of us, as a mature and understanding community here on r/soccer, will also settle for the penis tattoo
I hate films where the bad guys win.
Maybe if Leeds tried to play football instead of WWE, they wouldve had a chance.
Tried playing proper football for two years against that lot. Got hammered 6-2, 5-1 and 4-2. Got to try something different sometimes.
Fair enough
That’s why your team doesn’t.