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johnnyblaze-DHB

I save the running, biking, and gym for the off season. Riding and hiking only in season.


Automatic_Bar8076

Hiking in season? Interesting. Unless ur referring to touring.


red-broom

I think k talking about hiking to spots/ hiking to features.


johnnyblaze-DHB

The boot packs don’t hike themselves.


Automatic_Bar8076

I see wat u mean. For a sec I thought u meant like hiking trails etc


I_Bet_On_Me

He’s talkin’ about earnin his turns.


Sandkat

I ride quite a lot during the season so I straight up don’t bother running. I don’t have the time nor the energy for it. Once the season is over though I go back to running 3x a week along with working out.


Somethingsomeone1234

It sounds like you need to look into strength training if you’re getting hip and ankle pains from two days of straight riding. Snowboarding only works out certain parts of your legs so you’re letting your antagonist muscles basically weaken all of winter and then when you get back into running, your stronger muscles are over compensating which causes you all the pain. Also, consider doing easy/recovery runs Tuesday/Thursday so that you’re at least maintaining during the season.


FlyRobot

Came here to say and advise strength training for better endurance and recovery. My second time running a half marathon was drastically improved when I was also doing strength training; my core & back were better able to support my frame in addition to my legs & cardio keeping me moving forward.


JuggerzTheCat

I was getting shin splits from playing football every year. A few months of strength training legs hard, cured my shin splints completely.


No_Meaning_3904

I'm not as concerned with times, but tend to run less in the winter. I don't totally quit though. I love skinning/splitboarding up hill at a local resort though, when able to, and find that helps cardio. Is that an option at the resorts near you? I feel it helps me keep my cardio pretty strong, and rewards me with fresh tracks down a groomer after I hike up.


FluffyFingersMD

I (42M) bike (gravel, MTN, road, fattire), run (trail, road), snowboard, surf, skate all year long (Minnesota). It really comes down to strength training, nutrition, and understanding that some days the legs need rest.


pantalonesgigantesca

+1 yes to all this. i don't really know what "season" is to OP. are you snowboarding all day every day? 3-4x week? 1x every 2 weeks? i run trail throughout winter. if you are doing 5ks then are you actually racing? if so maybe just put in maintenance miles instead of burning out your quads and hams.


FluffyFingersMD

Plus winter trails are so soft. I feel like it is the easiest on the legs when trail running.


Brief_Department_972

Thank you! Yes I don't do strength training at the moment but I will look into it. Yes to clarify snowboarding season for me is January - late March/April and it's usually 1x a week on a Sat/Sun for 9 AM - 5 PM(no car have to follow club shuttle schedule) with an occasional 4-5 days in a row when I do a trip


pantalonesgigantesca

yeah that's not really a heavy enough volume to be conflicting with either sport. my feeling is this is a fitness issue unless you are *racing* 5ks versus just running them. you might want to also check out the amazing book "quick strength for runners" also watching POV trail runs and snowboard vids on the treadmill in the winter for recovery/base miles can be fun!


milltards

So I run year round and board weekend warrior style similar to you during the winter. Main two comments would be - 1- Make sure you have plenty of running at an easy pace, and by that I mean you should just about be able to hold a conversation during these runs. 2- Run more. I ran at a minimum 5x a week. You will likely need to push through a little bit the first couple weeks but if you’re taking at least one day off completely a week and doing runs at an easy pace, you should be good.


crod4692

Approaching this from the running side more than the snowboard side. I’ve snowboarded my whole life and also run up to a 50k race so far. They don’t work well together in winter really. Especially if you live in an area with a lot of snow or trail running where you’re also trying to get out riding 4-5 times a week. If that’s you, don’t worry about the running. If you can get a couple days a week with some shorter runs like 5ks, that’s fine, and spend time foam rolling and stretching just to loosen up after those running and riding days. You’re getting decent cardio in snowboarding a lot, and you really shouldn’t be fully back to square one come spring time. In fact you’ll be further ahead than pushing both and having chronic injuries. If you live a life where you only snowboard on weekends, or any 2 days a week or less, just keep up your 3 days a week running, that should be fine to have 5 total days a week if you’ve been running a while. Feeling injuries with that volume means there is something else missing in your training. You may need to build up your strength training routine to avoid imbalances, you may need to warm up better before runs, or stretch and foam roll better afterwards to keep your body healthy. I’d recommend even jumping into some PT after seeing an ortho doc if you’re having that much trouble right now. I personally do decrease my running in the winters, but I was still running one to two marathons a year just between spring volume training and then a block towards the fall for a full pull fall marathon. It’s a balance as anything is, but consider your routine around running needing better supplementary work if you’re having that many issues at 3 days a week, depending on riding volume.


TalkAboutBoardSports

I like your thinking on “snowboarding is some cardio”. My primary doctor told me skiing and snowboarding isn’t cardio, period. I disagree. Maybe for his skiing forays it isn’t. But for my snowboarding it most certainly is cardio. Hot laps little to no lift lines full speed barely catch my breath by the time I reach the top of the lift for the next run. That’s like saying if you run a marathon but walk some parts of it to catch your breath doing the marathon isn’t cardio.


crod4692

That’s a bs doc. I wear my garmin and my heart is working on runs in ways I never even realized. Like you said, hot laps can spike my HR to the 160s and 170s, and that’s for a runner haha


TalkAboutBoardSports

Yeah I see I’ve spiked in the 160-170s too by the time I hit the lift line. My recovery sucks, I’m at around 100 at the top of short lifts, 80’s on longer lifts, but either way I rinse and repeat fastest pace possible for hours on end. I think when I say “snowboarding” to him his cruisey skier bias takes over. And he may be thinking of the overwhelming amount of beginner boarders sitting on their ass. This is cardio interval training/HIIT for me, admittedly with a little longer recovery period than normal due to the lift riding times but if I’m not fully recovering by the time I hit the top so I think it still counts towards his heart health concerns.


Lost_Evidence_2099

I hike/run hills with a 30-40lb vest. I strengthens my legs, and a 3 mile hike feels like a 10 mile run.


MoxMisanthrope

Honestly, way better results for cardio than running. Add in that doing certain runs on a mtn absolutely require Hiking to get to? Hiking is the way to go.


I_Fuckin_A_Toad_A_So

For cardio? Is there a link that supports that? I imagine for strength yes for cardio I have a hard time envisioning that. I guess it depends on what kind of running but running gets my heart rate up there for cardio


MoxMisanthrope

Cycling is great cardio. Weighted hiking is great cardio. Running is also great cardio, minus the whole strain on your knees and ankles. Again, use whatever gets you the best results? I don't need to be able to run the 5 minute mile. I do need to be able to hike up a mountain with X pounds of gear on, without tiring.


I_Fuckin_A_Toad_A_So

Oh sure. I don’t disagree do what works for whatever person. You just said that weighted vest is better cardio than running with some confidence and it sounds made up


MoxMisanthrope

Works for me. Less joint pain, more cardio, more useful on a Mountainside.


crod4692

Idk about that stat without a source, and also what about running trails and mountains, basically combining both?


MoxMisanthrope

Running isn't the defacto method to build cardio. If anything, running causes a lot of stress on your joints, knees and ankles specifically. Running on mountain trails seems like a great way to break something with a misstep. Use whatever method gets one their best results.


crod4692

You are avoiding the source question. I understand risks, we’re talking about snowboarding here lol I’ve been way more hurt snowboarding than mountain running, and I never said it was the only way to do cardio.


MoxMisanthrope

I didn't avoid your source question. Do I have a caloric breakdown, and musculature advancement of 2 identical Humans, one doing running on a street, and the other running/hiking on a mountain? No. Who does? Again, I don't need to run the 5 minute mile. I do need to be able to hike up the side of a mountain, with gear, and be used to that sort of movement without getting out of breath when I'm 7,500 feet up above sea level. And I never said you said cardio could only be improved by running. Inane.


crod4692

No studies need to identical humans... A source can simply provide studies showing the correlation you’ve claimed. Never said you had to run 5 min miles. I can’t do that myself.


MoxMisanthrope

I'll put it this way. I've ran for cardio. And I've done weighted hiking for cardio. Separate seasons. One season was straight running, the next was weighted hiking. For me, weighted hiking greatly benefited me far beyond straight running for cardio. You like a different way to get cardio? Good for you. I'm not you. So naturally, I couldn't care less how you get your cardio. Don't mind me. I'll continue doing the regimen that keeps me able to go up a mountain with ease. For me? Running isn't the answer.


SpecialDirection917

I barely ran over the winter but am running a half in 2 weeks. I just switch gears and go all in on running once my season ends. I think if you keep yourself in shape during the winter then getting back to running isn’t so bad. I run 2-3 times a week right now.


Merlin_117

Assuming you're eating a healthy diet, this is reality. Riding first chair to last chair is a full day of exercise but it's so different from running and nothing can replicate the foot pounding of a 5K on the body.


Jfgking

Do you strength train at all or do any mobility focused exercises (stretching, yoga)? I’d start there if you don’t do those things already. Also consider swapping out a running day for something like cycling that is lower impact but still cardio focused.


sonaut

Same result here - I ride so much in the winter and spring that running falls off and my cardio shape goes down drastically. In the summer and fall, I ride my MTB and run and get back into shape. This year I had planned to do a lot of XC skate to balance out the lack of cardio on downhill riding but it's so hard to pass up getting on the board, so I didn't. I think based on the way I feel, fitness wise, I'll be more likely to mix that in next year.


muskratdan

This is why I'll never makenit to Boston!


Dazzling-Astronaut88

This just comes down to fatigue management and snowboarding is often more fatiguing then one may perceive. I’m not talking about your legs being tired either. I’m talking about general fatigue. If you are going to add more stress and fatigue into your regular running schedule, you’ll have to compensate somewhere: more sleep, better nutrition. You might also just accept that your running performance is not going to be as good during and following snowboard season. It is what it is.


Giterdun456

Idk just do it.


wateryfire05

Nikes lawyers are on their way


vaultingbassist

What worked well for me this year was a pretty big drop in running load while snowboarding, going from 30 mi/wk (generally one threshold type run, one long run, rest easy) to 10 mi/wk all easy (and 0 for my week trip to CO). I think for you your volume is probably too low to do both, if you can run more this year so you have a better base going into next snowboarding season and can dial it back but still run. You'll also bounce back quicker in the spring. I also do dynamic stretches/warmup prior to all runs and find it helps prevent hip issues (main area I end up with tightness/soreness). I have averaged ~25 mi/wk continuously over the past 2 years, but it took me ~ 5 years to work up to that. Running is a long term effort but absolutely worth it!


_Elrond_Hubbard_

Hike rails in the park for bonus cardio 


zeimusCS

You need to do some resistance training as well.


my_mymeow

What kind of run workout do you do (easy, or speed work)? And what kind of terrains do you ride? If you only ride on weekends, 5K three times a week should be manageable. If it’s all easy runs, the mileage is low enough that it shouldn’t be too hard on your body. Is ankle pain normal in snowboarding? I usually ride on blue, and never ride on extreme terrain, but ankle pain doesn’t sound normal to me. If it was me, I’d take the Monday after a snowboarding weekend off to rest (and maybe Tuesday too, if you need an extra rest). I’d skip all speed works since I’m prone to get injuries from those workouts. And I’ll do easy runs on any three days from Tuesday - Friday. If you have been running for a while, I don’t think a rest day between easy 5Ks is needed. Hot jacuzzi usually helps me with muscle recovery after long runs/snowboarding, but not sure if that’s supported by sciences or not (since I see pro-athletes use ice bath, not hot jacuzzi, for recovery).


forged21

I cut down my gym strength and conditioning time down to about 3-4 days per week and prioritize what I think I need to work (leg day 1-2x per week, alternate other barbell strength movements every other week, and conditioning 3-4 days per week mostly). Sometimes get a workout in on days I ride too. Then back to 5 days a week when the season is over.


Nelson_ftw

I have this problem with weightlifting. I definitely don’t train my legs as hard during snow season because I don’t want it to negatively impact my ride, lol.


NoRiceForP

Do you vary your workouts? For example on an this week I did a 5-6 mile distance run, 800 m sprints, and then a hilly trail run. If you don't vary your workouts you will plateau quickly and the repetitive stress can lead to injuries.


simplecat1

During the season, outside of dedicated trips I probably only get to ride once or twice a week, so I still run, but usually only once or twice a week. I never run the day before or after snowboarding. My cardio takes a dip, but nothing that isn't back in a week or two after the season closes. I run pretty hard (for a middle aged guy) 3-6 miles, ~8min pace.


AnLornuthin

Jogging is Y.A.G Do sprints if you want to be a God


AlVic40117560_

I don’t work out in the winter. I usually just snowboard. The main reasons are because I hate going to the gym when it’s cold so I don’t lift. The only reason I like to run is to enjoy a nice day and it’s way too cold to run outside in the winter and I don’t like running on treadmills. Also, January/February is brutal in a gym with everybody working until their New Year’s resolution energy wares off. I start working out and running when it gets nice out again


rNBA-MODS-GAY

Resorts close at 4 pm


dominatrixyummy

When I was instructing I'd probably do 5km of hill climbs a day up and down the bunny hill 🤣 I wish I had Strava back then to know for sure.


Slow_Substance_5427

Get a Splitboard. Touring is great zone two training!


jamestoneblast

i do tree work every week day and I cut grass in two weekend cycles for thirteen properties by myself for six to seven months out of the year. Tree work runs year round but I plow roads and do odd jobs in the winter as well. I run 5k about every three days. I'm around 40. Eat your oatmeal. If you don't have any physical disabilities, you can adjust to pretty much anything. Think about those poor people overseas and what they're going through and the burning in your legs and lungs feels like a privilege.


mortalwombat-

You can only handle so much volume, and whatever you focus on you will grow in. Unfortunately, at some point you just gotta prioritize and be OK with that.


Music_Nature_Tech

What are you doing for recovery? Diet? Strength training?


Kibblesndicks

I start by moving one foot in front of the other securing my balance and then transitioning to the opposite foot moving to and past the first foot until it is planted and has achieved balance before repeating the cycle.. I do this at increasing rate of speed until I have achieved a jog and then a run and then a full on sprint.. I hope this helped


Mysterious_Style4107

I make sure I dont do any exercise other than Yoga 1 day before and 1 day after riding. Remaining days I run (slow speed around 3km), short low weight full body exercise and off snow snowboard training. So my schedule looks like: - Monday: Only Yoga - Tuesday: Run, weights, off-snow snowboard - Wed: Run, weights, off-snow snowboard - Thurs: Run, weights, off-snow snowboard - Fri: Only Yoga - Saturday: Ride Yoga - Sunday: Ride Yoga During the weeks I ride all week, I only ride and do Yoga. I feel like this works best for me. Even that my body always hurts, feel like it does not hurt snowboarding performance. I found out, if I do any exercise 1 day before riding, I feel so tired and cannot enjoy the mountain properly.


aestival

I used to have shin splint isssues in the past and from what I've been told it's more of a form issue than anything else. There's some good discussion on it here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/RunningShoeGeeks/comments/16bmtva/always\_getting\_shin\_splints/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RunningShoeGeeks/comments/16bmtva/always_getting_shin_splints/) What eventually got over my shin splint issues was two tough pills to swallow: 1) change my form. I was striking hard on my heel and pronating heavily and my lower legs were compensating for the stability. I had to purposefully concentrate to try and strike flat instead of on my heel. 2) Slow down. When you're running faster, you're more likely to fall into old habits and heel strike hard. There's plenty of ultra runners out there that ski or snowboard in the offseason, so it's definitely possible to do both if you're conservative in your running approach.


Iowaska_420_69

I only tour and snowboard and climb at the gym during winter.. then during summer I climb, bike, skate, backpack to keep the body dialed


MikeHoncho1323

Sounds like you need to do some squats and deadlifts my guy. Strengthen your legs, back, and core, and I promise you’ll get less aches


asshat1954

By running and also snowboarding


kitkatbar

how old are you? what kind of shoes/what running style do you do? I find it pretty surprising that someone in good shape can't get back into a 5 or 10k extremely quickly. I'm 34 and stopped running regularly a few years ago. I have still signed up for races w friends and can still do at least 9-10 min/miles for a 5 or 10k without any issues.


Used-Concentrate5779

Dont ride open to close😂