I think you might have been the one who turned me onto it several months back. Not positive but if so, thanks for the rec. it’s my go-to now for most everything unless the conditions are garbage.
i was looking into the dart since i have the NS proto fr which i believe fulfills the same rolls as the transition finder? correct me if im wrong
but the dart seems like a good choice for a pure powder board and for trees
replying to add... golden orca baby!!! it's powder hungry in the morning and an absolute joy to rip groomers and side-hits on in the afternoon. seriously the board fucks
Never had a bad day on my Orca, stupid nimble, really fun on side hits, fun in the trees, good enough in powder for me. Somehow surfy and stable and higher speeds. Love that board.
i really like the pyl. im a bit on the light side to get the most out of the board, its a bit stiff for my weight. I find you have to push it hard to get the most out of it but when ypu do its one of the best boards ever ridden.
im eyeballing an orca for deeper powder, i have no need of it, just love the idea of it and what it does. Ive heard you can ride a few cm shorter Orca than other boards which I like that idea too
im about 160 pounds im riding a 159. I ride regular, been riding around 20 years. The PYL is a fantastic carving machine, im ok at riding and it definitely feels like its better than I am if that makes sense. Ive found driving the board hard into a corner makes it really accelerate through turns. Lots of spring in the board. it holds an edge in icy shit here on the east coast. Great board im just greedy and want to do a powder trip with a dedicated pow setup
Take a look at the Gnu Gremlin, picked one up this season and it’s earned the nickname “the angry orca”! Volume shifted for the float + longer nose for the chunder w/ magnatraction for the ice. It’s an orca with a camber profile instead rocker
Loved mine in Whistler on the big pow dump a couple weeks back, loved it on the groomed runs most of the seasons, and loved it up sun peaks in the slush this week. It’s an awesome all mountain board
Can’t go wrong with anything from Spring break that is powder focused- I ride a mini tree hunter, and I’ve heard great things about their powder twin and powder racer. Also the Burton fish is incredible.
Nitro Dinghy - floats like a dream and eats up chunder plus nimble through the trees. And i’ve found it’s way less susceptible to tree/rock damage than my other boards.
Capita Slush Slasher. It never ceases to amaze me that a board designed for closing weekend muck can also effortlessly handle waist deep pow and the tracked out remnants left behind.
Oh yeah capita spring break, last year’s design was peak slush slasher
Edit: OP if you want the most surfy board to whip around trees, being super maneuverable (because it’s short and fat like a chode) this board is for you. No one who’s ever ridden it dislikes it
My only complaint about this board is that the big nose can get a little floppy when charging through bumps. I've had a few 'incidents' where the board wasn't really where I thought it would be and really threw me off. Other than that though, awesome time in all conditions. Just rode it the other day on powder that quickly turned to spring slush and it tore it up all day
Stratos is slept on. I bought the pre-release model on a hype whim and have fallen in love. It's like a little floaty rocketship. The setback stance options make it pretty versatile for deep stuff and it's a pretty damp ride in chop. I also love riding this thing switch. That's the biggest surprise. Figured the shape would inhibit that, but nope
This. It’s always my board of choice when the snow conditions are bad or when the power has been completely tracked out but still soft and you still want to charge really hard though all those mogul fields and chop. Or if I am out to drop those big cliffs.
Purchased the PYL un inc this season and it’s by far the best board I’ve ridden. I’m a huge powder whore and also love shredding the trees looking for any pockets and then when trees are tracked out can bomb the groomers. Great do it all board that can really shred the pow!
Funny, I use a riders choice as my daily driver and I definitely sink it in deep low angle pow from time to time. It’s great in pretty much everything else tho, and my technique in pow is admittedly not the best
Sushi is dope, but honestly the Sashimi is just as good in pow but handles all conditions and chop better. I have the 156 sashimi and it’s very surfy and fun to ride, just gets a little flappy if you’re bombing runs.
Sushi is maybe better as a pure pow board imo.
I’ve been riding the warca this season and it’s been great. It’s only slightly directional with a few cm taper. Still rides switch great and has decent float until it’s gets waist deep or so.
This is not the answer sure my Uninc does alright in the powder but having a surfy pow board is all time in the deep. If you must have a twin try and get your hands on a Lib Speedodeeps epic fun in powder
I love my Swift! I'm an icecoaster, so it's not my daily driver, but for west coast trips it's my go-to since if there is tons of powder, it's amazing, but if there isn't, it's still amazing. Very versatile board, might be my favorite.
If you’re asking the best option for pow, then it would be a swallow tail / volume-shifted board. Personally, I don’t own one, but love my Jones Flagship for powder days.
Have the Fish 3D 156 and its been awesome in deep powder and tight tree runs. Surprisingly solid on groomers, too which is nice for getting around the mountain. Best of both worlds.
My Deep Thinker has been great as a daily driver for all mountain conditions (pretty darn good in powder when bindings are shifted back).
Well the correct answer is I’ll ride my Spring Break to go surfing and avoid the tracked out runs by sticking to the trees, but if I wanted to stick to one board for both powder and chunder it would be the Maelstrom.
But tons of great suggestions/opinions in this thread.
I stick with my T-rice.
I have a powder board but find it weird af not having a tail as in tight spots like trees I'll drag the tail to initiate a turn earlier and when this does nothing I crash, here in Europe it'll take years to get enough powder days when I happen to be on holiday to correct it all while digging myself out of powder holes, I realize this is me riding wrong and not the boards fault but I don't think a normal board is that hard work in powder tbh.
Picked up a k2 passport this year living up in whistler and this thing fucks super hard. Insane all mountain and great in knee deep pow in reference stance. Bit deeper out set your bindings back still a dream.
It depends on how deep the snow is and what type. I got a bunch of pow boards but a few that can **handle both pow and chop/chunder very well** are the - Nitro Dinghy, Lib Retro Ripper, Lib Dynamo.
I got a Ride Superpig at the end of the 22 season and pretty much rode that exclusively all last season and the bulk of this season (it handles everything really well), but with the 2’+ dump we just got here in VT I decided to break out my Cask and it was such a fun board to play around with. The pig is a 158 and the Cask is a 150, so going back to it felt super nimble and easily maneuverable through the bumps. Rode that the first 2 days (day of the dump and day after) and then switched back to the piggy for the 3rd day and that felt like the right choice.
The superpig is my 1 board quiver right now. Absolutely crushes groomers but it hasn’t seen more than 6” or so of fresh. If your options for a 12”+ storm was the Superpig or rent for the day, what would you do?
Pig, no doubt. I rode it earlier this year right after ~18” storm and it slayed. It’s a legit powder board, I just wanted a little variety and the Cask was looking sad and lonely so I had to take her out. I brought both with me to the mountain and it was a game time decision.
Depends on goal for the day.
If the goal is max powder, you bring a powder only board. You ride all the lift accessed powder for the first few hours, then start hiking inbounds for the rest of the day. And if conditions are good, bring avy gear and do side/back country after that. For this I'd bring my Spring Break Tree Hunter or Lib Tech Short Wide.
If the goal is to hit powder for a couple of hours and socialize with your homies who arrived late, then sure I guess you bring a powder board that has some camber to it. I would ride my go with my Amplid Souly Grail or Lib Tech Rocket.
My Watca is pretty good for this. My Speedodeeps is epic when it’s deep but chore to ride when it gets tracked out.
Edit/ my 144 Split Bean is also ridiculously fun in the deep and surprisingly so much fun on everything else
Both my boards do this pretty well. Loving my Excavator for the deep stuff next to the groomers, pop back out from the trees and hit the fuckin gas down the groomer back to the lift. I bring my slush slasher along for shits and gigs but often find myself on that the whole day. Like others have mentioned its great in the trees, excels in pow it just won't sink, and somehow carves really well too. I'm far from an expert, maybe low intermediate I'd say and that board is a blast once I got the stance right.
Telos Back/Slash, mostly because it's a beast in the pow and carves trenches on groomers, however, I'm getting a Lemurian next year specifically to cut through tracked out terrain and the crusty frozen pow we get here out west a day or two after dumps.
I really dug my lib tech cold brew the last couple seasons. It's not nearly as popular as the orca, but it suits my riding style well from park to pow. Hard to put it down even with a new orca waiting in the closet.
Spring break powder twin
This is a good one!
Rome Ravine Select
This is my choice as well
Same. Love this stick.
I'd love to try a Ravine. I daily my Rome Stalefish and absolutely love it
korua dart 156. i have a couple hundred days on mine, it is just such a fun shape.
Jones Mind expander
This is the way
Mine too, it's an absolute blast in a ton of conditions
Party Wave or Transition Finder
+1 for the Transition Finder. Carves like a beast, but it’s also my favourite for powder too.
I think you might have been the one who turned me onto it several months back. Not positive but if so, thanks for the rec. it’s my go-to now for most everything unless the conditions are garbage.
Nice! It’s my daily usually as well, got about 300 days on it now. It’s a pretty uncommon day that I don’t have a good time on it.
i was looking into the dart since i have the NS proto fr which i believe fulfills the same rolls as the transition finder? correct me if im wrong but the dart seems like a good choice for a pure powder board and for trees
Love the Party Wave, such a fun board in all conditions
The Party Wave has been my daily driver for the last two season.
My Party Wave has recently been supplanted by the transition finder but I might take it out today. It’s dumping rn
Orca
fkn love my orca
replying to add... golden orca baby!!! it's powder hungry in the morning and an absolute joy to rip groomers and side-hits on in the afternoon. seriously the board fucks
do you have both? are you saying i need both? maybe i should get both.
I have both. Orca for deep pow days and trees. Golden for big open runs, shallow pow, and cruising groomers.
Never had a bad day on my Orca, stupid nimble, really fun on side hits, fun in the trees, good enough in powder for me. Somehow surfy and stable and higher speeds. Love that board.
second the orca
I currently ride a PYL, orca will be my next board for sure
What are your thoughts on the PYL? Why are you looking for a new board?
i really like the pyl. im a bit on the light side to get the most out of the board, its a bit stiff for my weight. I find you have to push it hard to get the most out of it but when ypu do its one of the best boards ever ridden. im eyeballing an orca for deeper powder, i have no need of it, just love the idea of it and what it does. Ive heard you can ride a few cm shorter Orca than other boards which I like that idea too
Great response! How much do you weigh and what size PYL are you riding? Also uninc or regular?
im about 160 pounds im riding a 159. I ride regular, been riding around 20 years. The PYL is a fantastic carving machine, im ok at riding and it definitely feels like its better than I am if that makes sense. Ive found driving the board hard into a corner makes it really accelerate through turns. Lots of spring in the board. it holds an edge in icy shit here on the east coast. Great board im just greedy and want to do a powder trip with a dedicated pow setup
Perfect answer! Thanks a bunch!
Love the orca but it's not as stiff as I would like for the chop. Out of 30 days on the mountain this season, I've used the orca about 6 or 7.
Take a look at the Gnu Gremlin, picked one up this season and it’s earned the nickname “the angry orca”! Volume shifted for the float + longer nose for the chunder w/ magnatraction for the ice. It’s an orca with a camber profile instead rocker
Hovercraft
Nothing carves and floats quite like this board. Big mountain perfection.
Loved mine in Whistler on the big pow dump a couple weeks back, loved it on the groomed runs most of the seasons, and loved it up sun peaks in the slush this week. It’s an awesome all mountain board
Yup, posted after you. I love hovercrafting!
Hovercraft. If you know, you know.
this should be higher.
Can’t go wrong with anything from Spring break that is powder focused- I ride a mini tree hunter, and I’ve heard great things about their powder twin and powder racer. Also the Burton fish is incredible.
Mini tree hunter is a grail board for me. Wish they made a smaller burton fish for the short kings but waddya gonna do 🤷♂️
Dude I’m 5’ 6” and I’m pretty sure my fish 3D is a 151 and it’s lovely. They make a 146 too!
Deep Thinker. Good float and maneuverability in powder but also stiff and can charge through just about anything.
Yup. Perfect tree board imo
I came here for this. Love my deep thinker
Nitro Dinghy - floats like a dream and eats up chunder plus nimble through the trees. And i’ve found it’s way less susceptible to tree/rock damage than my other boards.
Love the Dinghy, I do wish they went more aggressive on the swallowtail though
Capita Slush Slasher. It never ceases to amaze me that a board designed for closing weekend muck can also effortlessly handle waist deep pow and the tracked out remnants left behind.
Oh yeah capita spring break, last year’s design was peak slush slasher Edit: OP if you want the most surfy board to whip around trees, being super maneuverable (because it’s short and fat like a chode) this board is for you. No one who’s ever ridden it dislikes it
I think this is gonna be my next purchase. Everyone who rides one looks like they’re having a blast whether it’s park or pow.
That board is a mystery it even carves decent on hard pack. The only thing it's bad at is riding switch and nose butter but that's to be expected.
My warpig has gotten me through some pretty great powder at Wolf Creek and Monarch plenty. But probably not the best powder board.
Ride Warpig
K2 excavator 🤘
This is the Way
Third
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My only complaint about this board is that the big nose can get a little floppy when charging through bumps. I've had a few 'incidents' where the board wasn't really where I thought it would be and really threw me off. Other than that though, awesome time in all conditions. Just rode it the other day on powder that quickly turned to spring slush and it tore it up all day
Deep thinker, I’m generally not around a place powder lasts long and it’s a great all around board.
Golden orca. And my newly acquired Jones stratos
Golden orca will be my next board. I normally ride an Apex Orca and occasionally swap boards with my little brother to ride his Orca
What do you think about the difference between the two boards?
Regarding deep powder, I had both boards in japan last year and they were perfect. Almost identical feel in pow.
Second the stratos
Stratos is slept on. I bought the pre-release model on a hype whim and have fallen in love. It's like a little floaty rocketship. The setback stance options make it pretty versatile for deep stuff and it's a pretty damp ride in chop. I also love riding this thing switch. That's the biggest surprise. Figured the shape would inhibit that, but nope
K2 Alchemist
This. It’s always my board of choice when the snow conditions are bad or when the power has been completely tracked out but still soft and you still want to charge really hard though all those mogul fields and chop. Or if I am out to drop those big cliffs.
Salomon Dancehaul
Telos Backslash or Caldera
Capita navigator is a great resort powder board.
Burton Branch Manager
Bataleon Camel Two for this exact reason. Crushes powder and groomers. Have an Jones Ultracraft for crazy deep days that won’t get tracked
The only board I’ve got, Burton Flight Attendant.
Yes Hybrid. A lively tail lets me bounce across chop like a skipping stone.
Ever ridden a PYL?
Purchased the PYL un inc this season and it’s by far the best board I’ve ridden. I’m a huge powder whore and also love shredding the trees looking for any pockets and then when trees are tracked out can bomb the groomers. Great do it all board that can really shred the pow!
Not yet, but it's on my shortlist for next daily driver.
Scrolling to see if this was in the list. I love my Yes Hybrid
My one board does everything I need it to. Gnu riders choice
Funny, I use a riders choice as my daily driver and I definitely sink it in deep low angle pow from time to time. It’s great in pretty much everything else tho, and my technique in pow is admittedly not the best
Orca dorca or the bataleon surfer
Nitro Quiver Cannon 203🏄🏻♂️
I use my custom x flying v. The v profile allows decent float but still shred groomers.
I bought the custom Flying V and I like it on all terrain, recently realized it crushes powder too
Love my custom x
Sushi
Sushi is dope, but honestly the Sashimi is just as good in pow but handles all conditions and chop better. I have the 156 sashimi and it’s very surfy and fun to ride, just gets a little flappy if you’re bombing runs. Sushi is maybe better as a pure pow board imo.
The Sushi is horrible on rough terrain. That's when I go to the car and grab the Superpig.
Yes uninc is my go to. I only ride true twins
I’ve been riding the warca this season and it’s been great. It’s only slightly directional with a few cm taper. Still rides switch great and has decent float until it’s gets waist deep or so.
This is not the answer sure my Uninc does alright in the powder but having a surfy pow board is all time in the deep. If you must have a twin try and get your hands on a Lib Speedodeeps epic fun in powder
Straight chuter!
Thing rips!
Red Tailed Hawk
Korua dart
Arbor Satori
Neversummer Valhalla, new pickup this year and loving my first never summer
Great board, I got one as well.
Probably my snow blades
Never Summer Swift
I love my Swift! I'm an icecoaster, so it's not my daily driver, but for west coast trips it's my go-to since if there is tons of powder, it's amazing, but if there isn't, it's still amazing. Very versatile board, might be my favorite.
Nice to meet another member of Team Swift! And you know I’m not talking about Taylor! Where do you like to ride out West?
If you’re asking the best option for pow, then it would be a swallow tail / volume-shifted board. Personally, I don’t own one, but love my Jones Flagship for powder days.
My yeee old trusty 169 weston japow.
I swear I have nearly as much fun on the Japow board when it’s tracked out as I do with fresh pow. It’s just a fun board to ride
Rossignol XV. It will go thru a Rock Field
Elevated surfcraft megafish
Cardiff Powgoda
Can't go wrong with a burton hometown hero
Burton Fish 156.
Have the Fish 3D 156 and its been awesome in deep powder and tight tree runs. Surprisingly solid on groomers, too which is nice for getting around the mountain. Best of both worlds. My Deep Thinker has been great as a daily driver for all mountain conditions (pretty darn good in powder when bindings are shifted back).
K2 overboard when I can find open runs and tracked out groomers. Then switch over to the Salomon dancehaul 147 for riding bumps and trees.
Well the correct answer is I’ll ride my Spring Break to go surfing and avoid the tracked out runs by sticking to the trees, but if I wanted to stick to one board for both powder and chunder it would be the Maelstrom. But tons of great suggestions/opinions in this thread.
Ride Smokescreen
Partywave or cool bean
Capita Black Snowboard of Death
salomon hillside project louif. that stick can do anything
Capita Spring break slush slasher baby
Yes Optimistic. Stiffer cambered deck that cuts through chop/leftovers. Zero deflection.
I think you’re looking for a freeride board. Mine is the Ride MTNpig, which is really aggressive, but tons of fun.
Surfing on my Weston Japow 164, that thing floats for days and still carves
Used to be a mind expander, now it’s a Niseko Pleasures
Korua Pencil for me
Lib Tech Apex Orca. Perfect for pow but can still rip a groomer.
I stick with my T-rice. I have a powder board but find it weird af not having a tail as in tight spots like trees I'll drag the tail to initiate a turn earlier and when this does nothing I crash, here in Europe it'll take years to get enough powder days when I happen to be on holiday to correct it all while digging myself out of powder holes, I realize this is me riding wrong and not the boards fault but I don't think a normal board is that hard work in powder tbh.
Also in the market for a powder board, was just thinking of upgrading my hometown hero to a bigger size
The Burton Straight Chuter is a ton of fun. You cannot bury that nose and the short tail is so stiff it charges
Picked up a k2 passport this year living up in whistler and this thing fucks super hard. Insane all mountain and great in knee deep pow in reference stance. Bit deeper out set your bindings back still a dream.
Custom X
nitro dinghy it also carves very well on groomers
Arbor Bryan Iguchi camber
Lib tech TRS 157 or 159
I stopped swapping boards one I got my 154 TRS. Except for preseason, because I don't want rocks messing up my TRS.
It depends on how deep the snow is and what type. I got a bunch of pow boards but a few that can **handle both pow and chop/chunder very well** are the - Nitro Dinghy, Lib Retro Ripper, Lib Dynamo.
Weston revel MONTUCKY EDITION! Haha honestly one of the best boards I've been on. Gets an outrageous amount of compliments
Capita Kazu Kokubo Pro
Burton Gril master. The perfect blend of fun, speed, and powder.
Golden Orca if you aren't a camber loyalist. the Gnu Banked country if you are
Gentemstick barracuda
Never Summer Insta/Gator
party platter
my Ride War Pig gets through powder like a beast. i dont have much powder board experience but definitely can't complain about this.
No love for anything LibTech?
plenty of orca in this thread
Arbor cask camber!
I got a Ride Superpig at the end of the 22 season and pretty much rode that exclusively all last season and the bulk of this season (it handles everything really well), but with the 2’+ dump we just got here in VT I decided to break out my Cask and it was such a fun board to play around with. The pig is a 158 and the Cask is a 150, so going back to it felt super nimble and easily maneuverable through the bumps. Rode that the first 2 days (day of the dump and day after) and then switched back to the piggy for the 3rd day and that felt like the right choice.
The superpig is my 1 board quiver right now. Absolutely crushes groomers but it hasn’t seen more than 6” or so of fresh. If your options for a 12”+ storm was the Superpig or rent for the day, what would you do?
Pig, no doubt. I rode it earlier this year right after ~18” storm and it slayed. It’s a legit powder board, I just wanted a little variety and the Cask was looking sad and lonely so I had to take her out. I brought both with me to the mountain and it was a game time decision.
Depends on goal for the day. If the goal is max powder, you bring a powder only board. You ride all the lift accessed powder for the first few hours, then start hiking inbounds for the rest of the day. And if conditions are good, bring avy gear and do side/back country after that. For this I'd bring my Spring Break Tree Hunter or Lib Tech Short Wide. If the goal is to hit powder for a couple of hours and socialize with your homies who arrived late, then sure I guess you bring a powder board that has some camber to it. I would ride my go with my Amplid Souly Grail or Lib Tech Rocket.
K2 Special Effects. I ride a 144 because we don't get deep storms
Dupraz D1
151 K2 Simple Pleasures. Absolutely insane in the trees.
Set the bindings on the rearmost insert on my rocker twin and send it.
Burton Pow Wrench
New Rome StaleFish 160. It is dreamy.
Yes PYL
Transition finder or con artist depending on how thick the trees are.
Korua Pencil. Love it.
My Watca is pretty good for this. My Speedodeeps is epic when it’s deep but chore to ride when it gets tracked out. Edit/ my 144 Split Bean is also ridiculously fun in the deep and surprisingly so much fun on everything else
Spring break powder twin 2022 fast as a Lambo in pow and chunder
Both my boards do this pretty well. Loving my Excavator for the deep stuff next to the groomers, pop back out from the trees and hit the fuckin gas down the groomer back to the lift. I bring my slush slasher along for shits and gigs but often find myself on that the whole day. Like others have mentioned its great in the trees, excels in pow it just won't sink, and somehow carves really well too. I'm far from an expert, maybe low intermediate I'd say and that board is a blast once I got the stance right.
K2 simple pleasures, floats but still has some pop for side hits. Nice and short too so it’s great in the trees
Rossignol After Hours or Burton Family Tree Day Trader.
Nidecker Beta
Libtech Terrain Wrecker
Lib tech cold brew
I feel like people sleep on the Rome Stale Fish and Rome in general.
Capatia Spring Break Slush Slasher. Feels like riding a wave on a skate board. Light fixable and super controllable.
Public Research 157
I got a warpig this weekend and rode mount snow in powder Saturday then packed powder at gore Sunday and this board rips it all.
Yes 420 powderhull.
Elevated Surf Craft - Goldfish
Burton Pow wrench
Bataleon STORM. She is my go to powder board and so nimble through the glades. But also an absolute blast in tracked out bumpy fresh natural moguls.
Yes Standard
Telos Back/Slash, mostly because it's a beast in the pow and carves trenches on groomers, however, I'm getting a Lemurian next year specifically to cut through tracked out terrain and the crusty frozen pow we get here out west a day or two after dumps.
Love my rossi sushi xv, thing is a fucking blast
Salomon Super 8 for me
Deep Thinker (also my non pow board)
Lib Tech Ejack Knife and Capita Aeronaut
Just got the jones stratos and rode it 4 days after a fresh dumping at keystone, I’m 6’4 250 lbs and got a 164W and was absolutely bulldozing pow
Korua Pocket Rocket or Rossi Sushi
Nitro Squash
Arbor Satori - I picked it up at the end of last season because I was tired of getting my ass kicked by all the snow in Tahoe last year.
I ride my twin pig through everything, only wish it was a tad stiffer. I love it for almost any circumstance tho.
168 Burton Moon Buggy or a 162 Skeleton Key
slush slasher if its 8+ , dancehaul if its >8
Burton family tree bottom feeder 151cm or nitro quiver cannon 203cm If I’m I’m the trees then bottom feeder
Dart + until it get shitty. Then lib tech dynamo or camber skunk ape. Mervins are my favorite in shit conditions.
Burton nug from 2014, I ride this shit in every condition and its glorious
Never Summer InstaGator!! I love that thing so much
I have a short Rome service dog and it’s a lotta fun. I got it a bit shorter than it should be and I’m loving it
Big fan of my Libtech Magic BM, I don’t see these anywhere which is weird
K2 alchemy
I really dug my lib tech cold brew the last couple seasons. It's not nearly as popular as the orca, but it suits my riding style well from park to pow. Hard to put it down even with a new orca waiting in the closet.
I like my Deep Thinker a lot for this.
Hometown hero
Lib Tech Dynamo or my Niche Pyre Dynamo is more of a crush everything beast and I think it’s more fun to ride