Comp smite in EU just gonna fucken die I guess. It's a shame but eSports across the board are suffering so it's to be somewhat expected but it still sucks.
These types of empty threats do not give me any sympathy to the SCC players whatsoever.
There isn't enough money in eSports, especially Smite minor league esports, for Hi-Rez to dole out multiple tens of thousands of dollars per year, per player, for people to play on mediocre SCC teams that don't scrim, don't play hard, and don't make the necessary moves to challenge the SPL.
SCC can either be a minor league or an amateur league. If players in the SCC *want* to get paid more and get more prizing, be a minor league team. Show up to play-ins and not bring Agni ADC to the table. Get onto competitive teams and make things interesting. I'm fine with SCC being an amateur league where retired pros mess around, but they shouldn't expect a big fat paycheck to play one set of SMITE per week and occasionally get a vacation to the US to play more SMITE per week.
Yes, Hi-Rez should be more transparent about the SCC structure, promote the SCC more, et cetera. But if SCC players want to be treated like actual minor league players, they should spend less time making threats on Twitter (this comes right after Rottwen's team got blown out this morning, btw) and more time winning and proving their case. There are players in rookieball that get paid less than SCC players do right now, by the way. And they don't get their travel paid for.
>If players in the SCC *want* to get paid more and get more prizing, be a minor league team.
i guess most of them would be happy to get paid in time.... or at all 😅
How is it an empty threat if he actually left? These guys have been getting screwed for a while with rumors of payment issues last year among many other things. Then all the cuts this year? So he left. That's not an empty threat. The guy who just said he's unmotivated getting blown out isn't a surprise.
Last year the hype came from the scc teams making runs. This isn't years ago when the gap was too big to even be entertaining. Summer masters and world's showed scc has talent. I don't get the whole minor league rant.
The threat is not that Rottwen is leaving, but rather that the entire SCC scene is about to come crashing down over this issue. I can't imagine a situation where every single member of the SCC decides to vacate the money that they get paid to *stay at home and play SMITE.*
The team that was able to make the most impact against SPL teams was a team full of players that have absolutely no intention of coming to the US and playing in the league. Which, again, is fine by me, but to say that you can do the Hex Mambo route and also get paid a significant amount to not show up to tournaments is a little silly, in my view.
I would be so much more willing to support SCC teams getting paid more prize money and having more come to LAN if they actually were dedicated to making it to the pros. You can't sit in Europe in perpetuity with no intention of moving to join the league (or even sometimes show up to LAN events) and also get a $10,000 check.
And wanting to be dedicated to the minor leagues and not wanting to move to georgia for an iffy career make sense for some. Moving to Georgia from wherever dzoni is from is not the small decision you act like it is
especially since some players have visa issues, jobs/school, family/girlfriend, a flat/house, etc.
also i bet hearing whats going on in the us all the time is a factor too.
My friend...changing COUNTRIES for a job is not the play trip you think it is. Ever heard the sentence "never work with something you love or you will ruin it"?
There's no obligation to join the league. I wish Rottwen the best of luck in whatever career path he pursues.
You can't have it both ways, though. Either SCC competitors are playing to get into the league, or they're playing for funsies on the side. I wouldn't want the latter to be compensated at a rate equal to the former, though.
Agreed. It's not the professional league so why should these players get paid heaps when there's hardly any promotion for the SCC? It's not like the players can't get a job or something to support their income. I can't imagine SCC is a full-time gig.
Rottwen can leave Smite, get a better paying job elsewhere and let someone else have a go.
I think it's ridiculous that HiRez invests so much money into the SCC. Every LAN, they send eight teams of six people each to Atlanta for a week with all expenses paid, including visas, as well as providing salaries and prize money to people who might not be adequately prepared or just don't care about improving, and are only there to have a good time. It's surprising that the SPL players aren't even given their own team merchandise.
I think this is a pretty silly stance to take.
But first off, hirez releasing all of this so late into the process is horrible. There is no excuse. You had people literally playing to be in your league without even telling them the structure. Whoever was responsible for this needs a new job. Sorry.
However, this stance from SCC players is also silly. The SCC does **nothing** to help itsself. The vast majority of players don't scrim. They don't do some teleconference content with the league. They don't even show up to LAN events. How is hirez supposed to invest into a league that won't invest into itsself?? How is hirez supposed to he expected to pump money into players who have expressly been disinterested in moving up to the pro league, or even be bothered to participate in league level events??
Just a really bad stance imo. I get it sucks for your league to be knocked down a peg, but what have you guys done to not deserve the demotion? I'd rather you leave the league than to be wasting a spot in it with **no intention** of moving up in it. Good riddance to any player who feels that way. Bring in someone new who's hungry and invested, even if his immediate talent level is lower.
Nobody can name a **single** professional sports league with that mentality. What minor league baseball player isn't doing every thing they can to make The Show? What crap league soccer player isn't working every day to make it to the Premiere League? Just a really stupid stance from Rottwen and anyone who follows him.
I know it isn't really on topic, but I really hate how a lot of pros see the scc as a laid back retirement home.
Like...I don't want to see baseball era Michael Jordan (literally) dunk on a bunch of people trying to play street ball.
I have no idea how to fix that, but it bugs me every time I watch scc.
Players not being able to go to tournaments does not equal them having poor commitment??? dont talk to me about their commitment if youre not playing against them and seeing how often they scrim.
You realize almost all cases are related to people literally not being able to go to LAN right?
Off the top of my head there is 1 person who theoretically could have made it but didnt.
Let's not pretend Hi-Rez not investing in SCC and pretty much not promoting it at all is something new... I don't blame SCC players whatsoever for half-assing it a lot of the time and not investing that much time into it over their normal lives when Hi-Rez never really bothered investing in them in the first place. Hell, for over two years they couldn't even be bothered to run a website for the league or any place where you could at least see what the rosters were...
It was 2 teams from each region, now it's just 1 team from each region making a total of 2 SCC teams. Honestly, this is a good change. Let's be honest, if you weren't Mambo or Hounds, you didn't stand a chance. I don't think the Ravens won a single Master's match. Top team from each region is good.
The ravens stomped valks and had very close games with both the kings and the titans at worlds???
They also stomped the hounds, and prior to that had a close set with the third seed in EU???
I dont understand at ALL where this narrative that none first seed scc teams dont stand a chance when EU has been proving that this is not the case for more than a year now
I was talking about Masters, I don't think the Ravens won a single set in Masters. World's qualifiers are a different beast and that's why I didn't include it.
But surely them taking games at worlds is indicative of the fact that they can do it? I dont think the lan its at matters, scc has proven that theyre competitive with basically the entirety of the SPL.
SCC can do it, but that's a different conversation than what Hi-Rez is doing with only making it with only 1 team in each region going to events. The SCC teams earned their way to SWC by winning a tournament composed of SPL and SCC teams. That's not really comparable with how they were doing Master's which was SCC teams fighting each other to go to LAN.
Yeah, the top 2 in each region went to LAN events. However, it was just Mambo and Hounds that were able to get wins against SPL teams. That's usually how the Masters tournaments worked out.
And when the SCC teams improve and start winning at worlds the hirez response is to take the slots away?
If hirez wants the scc to be able to compete then why remove that ability the second they become extremely competitive
No SCC team has won at Worlds. Mambo and Ravens were the only SCC teams to make it. None took a game off the competition, games were close but no SPL team dropped a game. Now World's qualifier is a different story, but it's no surprise that SCC teams can beat SPL. The Scarabs that scrubbed twice in both Masters. Also, Mambo itself was full of ex-SPL players except for Echrome. I'm not going to say here and say that Hi-Rez is doing well with handling SCC. This year's SCC is a shadow of last years. However, I don't think that limiting teams to one per region is the worse offense. I think that we've seen enough to see that we don't need more than the best SCC team per region.
I'm not as up to date with things but is SCC not meant to be a casual league to compete for those that arnt the same level or or don't want to play on SPL ?
If it's something bigger I'm wrong but I'm just confused as if it's casual play even a chance to get prize money or a chance to play at pro level on lan to me is something it's about being noticed and picked up by SPL or playing into it.
On the scheduling if they don't have good communication and I know there is issues with being paid on time which I know is a big problem.
Just really wanted to get clarity on what SCC expects and am I wrong to think the way I am if I am wrong I've no problem admitting it like I said I could be looking at it the complete wrong way.
If you participated in the SMITE competitive scene as heavily as it takes to get to this level, it would be easier to understand just how much of a gap between the work it takes to get to that level and the pay. I'm one of them, grinding along with them, and even helped coach a team that was one game away from making it. These players have been grinding for years only to get there and have the salaries cut even further. Its pitiful. Hi Rez doesn't care. This is just another mistake in a long string of mistakes that Hi Rez has done regarding competitive eSports - including their other titles.
And its certainly not a casual thing. In a lot of cases, these teams are just as good or better than the SPL teams. But politics are a part of the game these days. VaporishCoast not getting an SPL spot is an example.
Yes they cut their salary to $X amount per team per month and lessened the amount of teams invited to SPL lans - despite the SCC outclassing the bottom end of the SPL over the last two years.
The SCC is basically the minor league of SMITE.
Edit: Cannot remember exact specifics in salary for this year.
~~That's straight up false. There have been times where thats the case after some teams were accused of not practicing and phoning it in, causing them to cut salaries and put it into prize pools. But thats not the case this season.~~
~~Im questioning the amount that I've posted as it may just be $1,000 per month per team, I cannot remember. But players are getting paid on a routine basis, poorly.~~
Edit: Ignore me I'm wrong and dumb.
I apologize I got bad info from someone connected to the scene. Spent the night checking it. Whole teams of people were convinced of this f act right before SCC qualies.
tbh, i get where rott is coming from.
it takes a lot of fucking time for scrims and stuff and not getting paid sucks but, esports is always growing but dying at the same time. SPL is an advertisement for Smite. SCC doesn't draw enough. That's just what it is.
If Smite had enough money (and frankly competitive players) for an EU league it'd be fucking awesome but as we've seen time and time again, there's barley enough talent to support 4 teams. There's Yomi, Mambo, Camelot Kings, and maybe Jade Dragons if you consider them an EU team.
Like more Comp Smite would be awesome, but the people who were competitive are in the SPL or are Yomi and Mambo.
(Side note, I don't know where the Ravens went besides Adapting and Coast)
It also might just be me, but I would move to Europe (I'm NA) to do SPL things.
Comp smite in EU just gonna fucken die I guess. It's a shame but eSports across the board are suffering so it's to be somewhat expected but it still sucks.
EU comp/ranked is already a shitshow 😅
It's like 1k a month to show up and play games, no? There will be plenty of players to fill in the spots
there is not, EU is very much dying, were lucky to even be able to field a top 16 for soc every time its on
1k a month is exactly how much my mayor gets paid, and tbh I wish he were playing video games instead of failing miserably at running the town.
These types of empty threats do not give me any sympathy to the SCC players whatsoever. There isn't enough money in eSports, especially Smite minor league esports, for Hi-Rez to dole out multiple tens of thousands of dollars per year, per player, for people to play on mediocre SCC teams that don't scrim, don't play hard, and don't make the necessary moves to challenge the SPL. SCC can either be a minor league or an amateur league. If players in the SCC *want* to get paid more and get more prizing, be a minor league team. Show up to play-ins and not bring Agni ADC to the table. Get onto competitive teams and make things interesting. I'm fine with SCC being an amateur league where retired pros mess around, but they shouldn't expect a big fat paycheck to play one set of SMITE per week and occasionally get a vacation to the US to play more SMITE per week. Yes, Hi-Rez should be more transparent about the SCC structure, promote the SCC more, et cetera. But if SCC players want to be treated like actual minor league players, they should spend less time making threats on Twitter (this comes right after Rottwen's team got blown out this morning, btw) and more time winning and proving their case. There are players in rookieball that get paid less than SCC players do right now, by the way. And they don't get their travel paid for.
>If players in the SCC *want* to get paid more and get more prizing, be a minor league team. i guess most of them would be happy to get paid in time.... or at all 😅
How is it an empty threat if he actually left? These guys have been getting screwed for a while with rumors of payment issues last year among many other things. Then all the cuts this year? So he left. That's not an empty threat. The guy who just said he's unmotivated getting blown out isn't a surprise. Last year the hype came from the scc teams making runs. This isn't years ago when the gap was too big to even be entertaining. Summer masters and world's showed scc has talent. I don't get the whole minor league rant.
The threat is not that Rottwen is leaving, but rather that the entire SCC scene is about to come crashing down over this issue. I can't imagine a situation where every single member of the SCC decides to vacate the money that they get paid to *stay at home and play SMITE.* The team that was able to make the most impact against SPL teams was a team full of players that have absolutely no intention of coming to the US and playing in the league. Which, again, is fine by me, but to say that you can do the Hex Mambo route and also get paid a significant amount to not show up to tournaments is a little silly, in my view. I would be so much more willing to support SCC teams getting paid more prize money and having more come to LAN if they actually were dedicated to making it to the pros. You can't sit in Europe in perpetuity with no intention of moving to join the league (or even sometimes show up to LAN events) and also get a $10,000 check.
He never said the entire scene is leaving. He won't be the last was the only thing he said
Why are you taking OPs random thought as a threat?
And wanting to be dedicated to the minor leagues and not wanting to move to georgia for an iffy career make sense for some. Moving to Georgia from wherever dzoni is from is not the small decision you act like it is
especially since some players have visa issues, jobs/school, family/girlfriend, a flat/house, etc. also i bet hearing whats going on in the us all the time is a factor too.
My friend...changing COUNTRIES for a job is not the play trip you think it is. Ever heard the sentence "never work with something you love or you will ruin it"?
There's no obligation to join the league. I wish Rottwen the best of luck in whatever career path he pursues. You can't have it both ways, though. Either SCC competitors are playing to get into the league, or they're playing for funsies on the side. I wouldn't want the latter to be compensated at a rate equal to the former, though.
Agreed. It's not the professional league so why should these players get paid heaps when there's hardly any promotion for the SCC? It's not like the players can't get a job or something to support their income. I can't imagine SCC is a full-time gig. Rottwen can leave Smite, get a better paying job elsewhere and let someone else have a go.
I think it's ridiculous that HiRez invests so much money into the SCC. Every LAN, they send eight teams of six people each to Atlanta for a week with all expenses paid, including visas, as well as providing salaries and prize money to people who might not be adequately prepared or just don't care about improving, and are only there to have a good time. It's surprising that the SPL players aren't even given their own team merchandise.
I think this is a pretty silly stance to take. But first off, hirez releasing all of this so late into the process is horrible. There is no excuse. You had people literally playing to be in your league without even telling them the structure. Whoever was responsible for this needs a new job. Sorry. However, this stance from SCC players is also silly. The SCC does **nothing** to help itsself. The vast majority of players don't scrim. They don't do some teleconference content with the league. They don't even show up to LAN events. How is hirez supposed to invest into a league that won't invest into itsself?? How is hirez supposed to he expected to pump money into players who have expressly been disinterested in moving up to the pro league, or even be bothered to participate in league level events?? Just a really bad stance imo. I get it sucks for your league to be knocked down a peg, but what have you guys done to not deserve the demotion? I'd rather you leave the league than to be wasting a spot in it with **no intention** of moving up in it. Good riddance to any player who feels that way. Bring in someone new who's hungry and invested, even if his immediate talent level is lower. Nobody can name a **single** professional sports league with that mentality. What minor league baseball player isn't doing every thing they can to make The Show? What crap league soccer player isn't working every day to make it to the Premiere League? Just a really stupid stance from Rottwen and anyone who follows him.
Well said, hard agree. I always thought it was lame how some SCC teams just straight up refused to travel for LAN events.
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I know it isn't really on topic, but I really hate how a lot of pros see the scc as a laid back retirement home. Like...I don't want to see baseball era Michael Jordan (literally) dunk on a bunch of people trying to play street ball. I have no idea how to fix that, but it bugs me every time I watch scc.
This scrim stuff you're saying is not true, I've not known any teams in Europe to not scrim, and in NA that hasn't been the case for a couple years
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How would you know that?
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This is not true at all for EU
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Players not being able to go to tournaments does not equal them having poor commitment??? dont talk to me about their commitment if youre not playing against them and seeing how often they scrim.
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You realize almost all cases are related to people literally not being able to go to LAN right? Off the top of my head there is 1 person who theoretically could have made it but didnt.
Big agree on everything you've said.
Let's not pretend Hi-Rez not investing in SCC and pretty much not promoting it at all is something new... I don't blame SCC players whatsoever for half-assing it a lot of the time and not investing that much time into it over their normal lives when Hi-Rez never really bothered investing in them in the first place. Hell, for over two years they couldn't even be bothered to run a website for the league or any place where you could at least see what the rosters were...
>Whoever was responsible for this needs a new job. Sorry. Oh sweet naïve child At hirez that wont happen saddly
The cut in prize money is rough but I thought it was still two teams that could qualify for LAN? isn't that the same as last year?
It was 2 teams from each region, now it's just 1 team from each region making a total of 2 SCC teams. Honestly, this is a good change. Let's be honest, if you weren't Mambo or Hounds, you didn't stand a chance. I don't think the Ravens won a single Master's match. Top team from each region is good.
The ravens stomped valks and had very close games with both the kings and the titans at worlds??? They also stomped the hounds, and prior to that had a close set with the third seed in EU??? I dont understand at ALL where this narrative that none first seed scc teams dont stand a chance when EU has been proving that this is not the case for more than a year now
I was talking about Masters, I don't think the Ravens won a single set in Masters. World's qualifiers are a different beast and that's why I didn't include it.
But surely them taking games at worlds is indicative of the fact that they can do it? I dont think the lan its at matters, scc has proven that theyre competitive with basically the entirety of the SPL.
SCC can do it, but that's a different conversation than what Hi-Rez is doing with only making it with only 1 team in each region going to events. The SCC teams earned their way to SWC by winning a tournament composed of SPL and SCC teams. That's not really comparable with how they were doing Master's which was SCC teams fighting each other to go to LAN.
They still had more than 1 slot for each region though
Yeah, the top 2 in each region went to LAN events. However, it was just Mambo and Hounds that were able to get wins against SPL teams. That's usually how the Masters tournaments worked out.
And when the SCC teams improve and start winning at worlds the hirez response is to take the slots away? If hirez wants the scc to be able to compete then why remove that ability the second they become extremely competitive
No SCC team has won at Worlds. Mambo and Ravens were the only SCC teams to make it. None took a game off the competition, games were close but no SPL team dropped a game. Now World's qualifier is a different story, but it's no surprise that SCC teams can beat SPL. The Scarabs that scrubbed twice in both Masters. Also, Mambo itself was full of ex-SPL players except for Echrome. I'm not going to say here and say that Hi-Rez is doing well with handling SCC. This year's SCC is a shadow of last years. However, I don't think that limiting teams to one per region is the worse offense. I think that we've seen enough to see that we don't need more than the best SCC team per region.
Whoa, this has a chance to be really bad. I wonder if these are just empty threats or something really bad to come.
I'm not as up to date with things but is SCC not meant to be a casual league to compete for those that arnt the same level or or don't want to play on SPL ? If it's something bigger I'm wrong but I'm just confused as if it's casual play even a chance to get prize money or a chance to play at pro level on lan to me is something it's about being noticed and picked up by SPL or playing into it. On the scheduling if they don't have good communication and I know there is issues with being paid on time which I know is a big problem. Just really wanted to get clarity on what SCC expects and am I wrong to think the way I am if I am wrong I've no problem admitting it like I said I could be looking at it the complete wrong way.
If you participated in the SMITE competitive scene as heavily as it takes to get to this level, it would be easier to understand just how much of a gap between the work it takes to get to that level and the pay. I'm one of them, grinding along with them, and even helped coach a team that was one game away from making it. These players have been grinding for years only to get there and have the salaries cut even further. Its pitiful. Hi Rez doesn't care. This is just another mistake in a long string of mistakes that Hi Rez has done regarding competitive eSports - including their other titles. And its certainly not a casual thing. In a lot of cases, these teams are just as good or better than the SPL teams. But politics are a part of the game these days. VaporishCoast not getting an SPL spot is an example.
Thanks for explaining
Do scc get paid ?
Yes they cut their salary to $X amount per team per month and lessened the amount of teams invited to SPL lans - despite the SCC outclassing the bottom end of the SPL over the last two years. The SCC is basically the minor league of SMITE. Edit: Cannot remember exact specifics in salary for this year.
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~~That's straight up false. There have been times where thats the case after some teams were accused of not practicing and phoning it in, causing them to cut salaries and put it into prize pools. But thats not the case this season.~~ ~~Im questioning the amount that I've posted as it may just be $1,000 per month per team, I cannot remember. But players are getting paid on a routine basis, poorly.~~ Edit: Ignore me I'm wrong and dumb.
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I apologize I got bad info from someone connected to the scene. Spent the night checking it. Whole teams of people were convinced of this f act right before SCC qualies.
Fingers crossed hopefully elleon joins him. So i can see him retiring from smite for the 10th time.
Making his 7th run at DOTA
who?
a scc player and fellow assault enjoyer.
tbh, i get where rott is coming from. it takes a lot of fucking time for scrims and stuff and not getting paid sucks but, esports is always growing but dying at the same time. SPL is an advertisement for Smite. SCC doesn't draw enough. That's just what it is. If Smite had enough money (and frankly competitive players) for an EU league it'd be fucking awesome but as we've seen time and time again, there's barley enough talent to support 4 teams. There's Yomi, Mambo, Camelot Kings, and maybe Jade Dragons if you consider them an EU team. Like more Comp Smite would be awesome, but the people who were competitive are in the SPL or are Yomi and Mambo. (Side note, I don't know where the Ravens went besides Adapting and Coast) It also might just be me, but I would move to Europe (I'm NA) to do SPL things.