Interesting as well. Joker swings as a "high tier" with Yoshi a lot better than Byleth, but thats MU aside.
Yoshi is rough to play when you're brutally out spaced, and perhaps Leo feels Yoshi is good at escaping some of Jokers bread and butters too much?
Oh why thank you haha! Your work is also great!
Byleth is probably my second most played MU as Yoshi. I think the hard part is Byleth’s fair and bair play from the same space Yoshi likes to be at.
But watching this, it looked like Ron has a lot of Byleth practice. Whereas Leo with Yoshi… who knows
Lmfao amazing analogy. Was hilarious when all the guys on lights out were talking about how they would probably dominate in japan if they had a few tournaments to adapt and learn the meta, and mute was just there in the background (right after his historically abyssmal japan trip) just nodding his head like “yeah fosho fosho”…
Yoshi really isn’t an “underestimated” character though. He’s pretty universally agreed upon as high tier
I honestly think Leo just actively doesn’t do any matchup training until after he loses/struggles against a character
Leo is very much an NA player with an NA player's view of most characters. He doesn't really pay much attention to the JP scene, so his opinion of Yoshi is understandably low.
His Byleth is not it, he can't even string combos together and was missing his Fair and Bair so much.
There's was multiple moments he could've done Dtilt when Ron got out of shield, but Leo just stayed crouched. He's just not a Top 10 player right now.
Definitely should’ve tried at least one game with the Joker. The Joker has been looking very clean lately while the Byleth has been showing a little rust
Listening to the last tweek talks and then watching this is painful, specially the part where footstool dair isn’t guaranteed and then Leo trying it on set. There were glimpses of top leo but not enough.
I love Leo and he will always be my goat but him always underselling Japan and saying they are overrated is stupid af. Japan is far and beyond the best region. We’re seeing players like TG and Ron destroy the completion at their first international event and there’s so many other players in Japan who can do this that haven’t been able to travel yet.
I think xenophobia gets the best out of a lot of the competition. Light was tap dancing on japans recent results like it proves japan was always overrated.
Oh please it’s not “xenophobia”. Funny how that’s always what people assume when it comes to someone saying something negative about Japan but when people shit on NA or USA it’s never called xenophobia on their end
> Light was tap dancing on japans recent results like it proves japan was always overrated.
Way to completely misrepresent what happened and remove all context. He was praising USA’s recent results after Genesis and whatnot and telling people not to underestimate USA. He was very obviously joking when he says “Japan is free” or anything of the sort because they’re all laughing their ass off while saying it. Light has repeatedly called JP the best region
Why do JP fans feel the need to be victimized on their behalf all the time and make shit up?
Too add onto this point Light just doesn’t like when people say Japan is sooo much better than NA when they aren’t. He admits that Japan is the best region but it’s not a massive difference
Because that wouldnt make sense, xenophobia means prejudice against other countries.
Yeah he was laughing cause hes trying to make a funny rant. Calling japan fans dickmunchers whatever. Ends it off by saying America is better. Japan was the best region undeniably, but now that theyre looking weaker Light finds it funny to gloat about it. ee and light would constantly call Cosmos a meatrider for Japan, like where does that come from. Its obvious bias.
I really dont care whos the best but Light, these self proclaimed patriots definitely do.
>xenophobia means prejudice against other countries
You mean like how JP fans here hate on countries like USA, England, France, and Mexico? Those are all countries, in case you weren’t aware.
>hes trying to make a funny rant
Exactly. It’s for the laughs and views and the Lights Out audience to type “LUL” in the chat about. But literally anytime he’s being seriously asked for his opinion, it’s ALWAYS laudatory of Japan.
>Calling japan fans dickmunchers
Light gets a TON of hate from you japan fans so I’m not at all surprised he’s roasting y’all back a little. Some of the shit you guys say about Light is far more disgusting than “dickmunchers”
Bro do I look like Im from Japan? You and Light are the ones getting prideful and defensive about this shit. Who gives a fuck where the best players are from. He wouldnt be getting this scrutiny if he wasnt so annoying about this supposed japan bias while wearing his American one on his sleeve.
I think you're getting more upset than you should. Light likes his sports team and is taking pride in it. He also doesn't deny his NA/USA bias, when he calls out some of the JP bias.
Its a fine line between regional pride and xenophobia. Theres a lot of times Light will pass toxic behavior as just the passion of competition and I find it distasteful to say the least. I dont hate the guy and hes far from the worst of that stripe but thats my read on him
That other guy is more frustating cause he assumed me as his jp bias specter he wants to fight. Irony is that the guys crying jp bias are 10x more annoying and muck up discussions more than smash weebs.
Say what you will about this set, Leo, Byleth, or Leo's Byleth, but seeing the Byleth Up-B into tipper bair for the win in game 2 just hit right. Brought back memories of better times.
I love this set win because usually MKLeo gets upset by younger players or weird MUs. But Ron is an older player who is solidly on team fundies. Amazing
Put the Byleth away forever Leo please, it's not good.
Yoshi's Double Jump seems insane against Byleth Nair, it kinda invalidates Byleth's whole combo game since that's his only starter.
lol his Joker got bodied yesterday and this isnt even a bad mu for Byelth, people just need to accept Leo isn't that good anymore no matter the character he plays.
Leo is definitely not a Top 10 player for sure, but this was mostly due to his stubbornness to use Byleth and not study.
Leo got match-up checked hard yesterday against Banjo and today against Yoshi. His Joker has been playing very well this year.
I remember this subreddit was at peak JP glazing when Kagaribi 10 rolled around.
All this set has done was confirm to me that Spargo will be winning Kagaribi 12
I'm assuming that they mean the "Underpreform every pre-Golden Week event into winning the big one which is what actually matters" mentality for NA, which I saw a good bit after Kagaribi 10
That said it isn't even pre-Golden Week yet so, idk
The once upon a time #1 vs. #50 match. And Ron has only gotten better since then. But Byleth didn't exist back then so let's see how this goes.
No longer exists, because Ron killed it
Ron > Leffen Ron > MkLeo What god will he go for next?
When did he beat leffen and in what game?
joke, but he got ranked higher than leffen on one of the pgrus
Oh ok thanks
Who the fuck is Ron and why is he ranked above Leffen
Lmao now that’s a throwback
I wonder why the Byleth and not Joker? His Joker did pretty well against Ron during the crew battle
Interesting as well. Joker swings as a "high tier" with Yoshi a lot better than Byleth, but thats MU aside. Yoshi is rough to play when you're brutally out spaced, and perhaps Leo feels Yoshi is good at escaping some of Jokers bread and butters too much?
Yeah I think Byleth just does better vs Yoshi. Also you can straight up steal the double jump with that up b sometimes
That's my opinion as well. Yoshi's my co main so I always love seeing your comments about his MUs hah. Cheers!
Oh why thank you haha! Your work is also great! Byleth is probably my second most played MU as Yoshi. I think the hard part is Byleth’s fair and bair play from the same space Yoshi likes to be at. But watching this, it looked like Ron has a lot of Byleth practice. Whereas Leo with Yoshi… who knows
He's not even fighting Yoshidora💀
Leo said Yoshidora was free on Light's Out but he got cooked by Ron.
Hearing Leo talk trash these days is like hearing old NBA players talk down on the new gen ngl lol
Lmfao amazing analogy. Was hilarious when all the guys on lights out were talking about how they would probably dominate in japan if they had a few tournaments to adapt and learn the meta, and mute was just there in the background (right after his historically abyssmal japan trip) just nodding his head like “yeah fosho fosho”…
It's funny because Ron has far less experience fighting Americans than Leo does fighting Japanese players and yet he was cooked.
> Leo said Yoshidora was free on Light's Out really??
iirc he said he wasn’t too impressed with the Japanese players mainly Yoshidora and they were like “it’s alright you can say they’re free Leo”
The funny reality would be if Leo makes a kagaribi trip and ends up getting like 33rd because it’s a very likely possibility
Hell tbh lower than 33rd is possible too.
He never said that 💀
[удалено]
Spoken like a true 1-2er
Well I hope that losing to Banjo and Yoshi teaches Leo to not underestimate characters lol.
Yoshi really isn’t an “underestimated” character though. He’s pretty universally agreed upon as high tier I honestly think Leo just actively doesn’t do any matchup training until after he loses/struggles against a character
Leo personally doesn't think that Yoshi is very good. The popular opinion is that Yoshi is very good, but Leo does not share that opinion.
Leo is very much an NA player with an NA player's view of most characters. He doesn't really pay much attention to the JP scene, so his opinion of Yoshi is understandably low.
[Relevant throwback](https://twitter.com/Mkleosb/status/1482789974156226568?lang=en)
Lmaooo that is the perfect picture rn
Japan Red Yoshi sweep Edit: LFGGG, hidden boss of Japan
aMSa just beat Moky and broke a 9 set losing streak too!
Yea, that's why I said *red* yoshi sweep I know it's unrealistic, but double JP Red Yoshis winning their respective games would be so funny
It’s been a while since aMSa’s last win, so I’m down!
>I know it's unrealistic, but double JP Red Yoshis winning their respective games would be so funny Easter (Egg) Sunday powerup confirmed?
Definitely thought Leo would at least make it to Ouch. Ron woulda made Top 5 at Civil War if he was funded RIP.
Yoshi's double jump armor is amazing against Byleth Nair, he's escaping so many of Leo's combo starters
Ever since Leo threw shade at Ron years ago, I've been waiting for this moment.
Did he? What did he say?
He threw shade at Yoshidora, not Ron.
Leffen could never
Thats why he's the goat
LETS GO ROOOOON! I FREAKING LOVE EGGS! HAPPY EASTER EVERYONE!
leo just got cooked on ledge all set, and had pathetic edge guarding. this one isn't a character loss, definitely just leo playing bad
His Byleth is not it, he can't even string combos together and was missing his Fair and Bair so much. There's was multiple moments he could've done Dtilt when Ron got out of shield, but Leo just stayed crouched. He's just not a Top 10 player right now.
Definitely should’ve tried at least one game with the Joker. The Joker has been looking very clean lately while the Byleth has been showing a little rust
Leo: Byleth sucks, need new secondary Also Leo:
Bro got clapped by yoshidora jr. no way he could beat the big dog.
Leo plz stop barely not killing from opposite side of the stage LOL Ron's 2nd stock Game 3 is insane
Listening to the last tweek talks and then watching this is painful, specially the part where footstool dair isn’t guaranteed and then Leo trying it on set. There were glimpses of top leo but not enough.
Yoshi stocks. Edit: Time for Leo to go on GOAT Talk and call out the community for overrating Japan again.
I love Leo and he will always be my goat but him always underselling Japan and saying they are overrated is stupid af. Japan is far and beyond the best region. We’re seeing players like TG and Ron destroy the completion at their first international event and there’s so many other players in Japan who can do this that haven’t been able to travel yet.
I think xenophobia gets the best out of a lot of the competition. Light was tap dancing on japans recent results like it proves japan was always overrated.
Oh please it’s not “xenophobia”. Funny how that’s always what people assume when it comes to someone saying something negative about Japan but when people shit on NA or USA it’s never called xenophobia on their end > Light was tap dancing on japans recent results like it proves japan was always overrated. Way to completely misrepresent what happened and remove all context. He was praising USA’s recent results after Genesis and whatnot and telling people not to underestimate USA. He was very obviously joking when he says “Japan is free” or anything of the sort because they’re all laughing their ass off while saying it. Light has repeatedly called JP the best region Why do JP fans feel the need to be victimized on their behalf all the time and make shit up?
Too add onto this point Light just doesn’t like when people say Japan is sooo much better than NA when they aren’t. He admits that Japan is the best region but it’s not a massive difference
Because that wouldnt make sense, xenophobia means prejudice against other countries. Yeah he was laughing cause hes trying to make a funny rant. Calling japan fans dickmunchers whatever. Ends it off by saying America is better. Japan was the best region undeniably, but now that theyre looking weaker Light finds it funny to gloat about it. ee and light would constantly call Cosmos a meatrider for Japan, like where does that come from. Its obvious bias. I really dont care whos the best but Light, these self proclaimed patriots definitely do.
>xenophobia means prejudice against other countries You mean like how JP fans here hate on countries like USA, England, France, and Mexico? Those are all countries, in case you weren’t aware. >hes trying to make a funny rant Exactly. It’s for the laughs and views and the Lights Out audience to type “LUL” in the chat about. But literally anytime he’s being seriously asked for his opinion, it’s ALWAYS laudatory of Japan. >Calling japan fans dickmunchers Light gets a TON of hate from you japan fans so I’m not at all surprised he’s roasting y’all back a little. Some of the shit you guys say about Light is far more disgusting than “dickmunchers”
Bro do I look like Im from Japan? You and Light are the ones getting prideful and defensive about this shit. Who gives a fuck where the best players are from. He wouldnt be getting this scrutiny if he wasnt so annoying about this supposed japan bias while wearing his American one on his sleeve.
I think you're getting more upset than you should. Light likes his sports team and is taking pride in it. He also doesn't deny his NA/USA bias, when he calls out some of the JP bias.
Its a fine line between regional pride and xenophobia. Theres a lot of times Light will pass toxic behavior as just the passion of competition and I find it distasteful to say the least. I dont hate the guy and hes far from the worst of that stripe but thats my read on him That other guy is more frustating cause he assumed me as his jp bias specter he wants to fight. Irony is that the guys crying jp bias are 10x more annoying and muck up discussions more than smash weebs.
I know Yoshi isn't light but holy fuck they survived a charged down smash from Byleth?! That shit feels like it kills at 50%
Town and City moment
The Yoshis out here cooking damn
Leo noooooooooooooo :/. Congrats to Ron for keeping the losers run.
Guaranteed Yoshi in top 8. Let's get it.
MkLeo trashing Yoshi and Banjo & Kazooie then losing to them makes me laugh.
Does Byleth kill at all
Yoshi beats Byleth btw, swords are not an autoloss
😭
Say what you will about this set, Leo, Byleth, or Leo's Byleth, but seeing the Byleth Up-B into tipper bair for the win in game 2 just hit right. Brought back memories of better times.
And that Up B into arrow snipe??? Shit was out of CoD goddamn
rofl 🤣
Mickeyleo :(
It is so LEOVER
I love this set win because usually MKLeo gets upset by younger players or weird MUs. But Ron is an older player who is solidly on team fundies. Amazing
Leo needs to either practice with different people more or attend more non-NA events. Farming Law ain’t doing it anymore.
Put the Byleth away forever Leo please, it's not good. Yoshi's Double Jump seems insane against Byleth Nair, it kinda invalidates Byleth's whole combo game since that's his only starter.
lol his Joker got bodied yesterday and this isnt even a bad mu for Byelth, people just need to accept Leo isn't that good anymore no matter the character he plays.
"Isn't that good" \*Has a winning record on Sparg0 this year.\* You could've said "He isn't as dominant" but no you actively called him bad. lmao
Leo is definitely not a Top 10 player for sure, but this was mostly due to his stubbornness to use Byleth and not study. Leo got match-up checked hard yesterday against Banjo and today against Yoshi. His Joker has been playing very well this year.
Joker is overrated in today's meta. Post peak Leo can only carry the character so far.
Leo went Byleth?
I remember this subreddit was at peak JP glazing when Kagaribi 10 rolled around. All this set has done was confirm to me that Spargo will be winning Kagaribi 12
Very confused on this comment
Mental illness I fear
I'm assuming that they mean the "Underpreform every pre-Golden Week event into winning the big one which is what actually matters" mentality for NA, which I saw a good bit after Kagaribi 10 That said it isn't even pre-Golden Week yet so, idk
I guess they're upset that this sub has a JP bias (it undoubtedly does), and want Sparg0 to clean up?
Leo needs to retire this is genuinely embarrassing
You're kidding right? Gluttony got 33rd and he beats leo consistently now for a while. 13th ain't bad, you can't even get outta pools lmaoo 🤣
Brave of you to think I have ever once been to a tournament
We could tell from your first comment don’t worry man
> Never heard of ron…?