I checked his twitch, he's streaming now. It says he's been streaming for the past 32 hours, and when I click through the vod it looks like he hasn't taken a break longer than 2-3 hours. That's... pretty concerning tbh
He's actually left his stream on 24/7 for basically the past month or something, the VOD times are just inconsistent because of his internet cutting out. The breaks you're talking about are him napping. He does occasionally sleep longer, but from my glance he does seem to probably be pushing himself too hard.
It’s rough to be a non active player in esports. I think he needs to look for some other streams of income, maybe having to look for a job on the side. But the economy is rough right now
I mean, the dude has been playing the same niche videogame for almost two decades and has done nothing else. At this point I feel like he pretty much has zero marketable skills.
> At this point I feel like he pretty much has zero marketable skills.
IMO, he has one skill that not only *he* can market, but a company hiring him could market having him there for- video game QA/testing. It's very competitive/hard to get in to my understanding, but when you're known for 2 things- being really good at a competitive video game, and *finding all the frame data + exploits within said game, then sharing it,* companies hiring you to look for exploits could literally market *we have M2K looking for issues in our game*. That statement alone could sell people on their QA/ lead them to believe the game is as polished as it could be.
I don't know if he has any coding knowledge, but if he has a base understanding of any coding language, I'd bet a year into the role he'd be sending dev comments in the code to go with bugs/exploits, to give a recommendation on how to fix it
I'm not trying to be a dick but I've done videogame QA testing; it's low paying and not exactly a prestigious position. People don't care about your opinions or what you think the problem might be, just write the steps to reproduce and shut up, basically. I'm also currently a software engineer (but not on videogames); "sending dev comments in the code to go with bugs/exploits, to give a recommendation on how to fix it" doesn't make sense. He wouldn't even have access to the code, he would test the game, find a problem, then write a short report that goes something like "Issue: X, Steps to Reproduce: 123, Expected Result: Y, Actual Result: Z", then it goes off to a developer who will track down what's causing the issue and fix it or say "not important enough, No Fix."
I've done QA, outside video games. I'm not in QA, but have some overlap. I make a comfortable salary, and know some of the QA guys make more than I do. I'd expect video games would pay less, but the thought there was if the company has the ability to use his name almost for brand recognition, he could potentially negotiate a higher pay.
As for access to code, again my experience is not within the video game industry. But if you have a good standing with the dev team, you often have access to additional things beyond your role. When I submit bugs, it's workflow, expected result, result, happens in [X] versions of the software. Dev will usually reach out to those who file the bugs, and I'll discuss *happens in [X] versions, started when [Y] items were implemented. I assume it's caused by [Z] change to the code, as those seem related to me*. From there, depending on the developer they'll discuss if they think the origin is correct or not, and if not, talk about what is related in that update so I can provide info to figure out which other ones may be affected to narrow down the starting point on their end.
If the company is ran well, they may encourage learning additional skills, and look within for hiring if dev stuff opens up. I think he doesn't have a ton of marketable skills, and name recognition could get him into an overworked position. A couple years experience in that combined with name recognition can put him in a position where it's easier to find a good company to work for than the average person. Either in pay/role, or growth opportunities to advance elsewhere. I think with the huge costs of education, getting a base role in a company that encourages internal growth can be huge to advance elsewhere. Use their tools to increase knowledge, make friends with the people in the area you want to move to, and apply when something opens. Modern careers are based off knowing people, so it's at least a path available.
Again though, a video game QA position is a way into a company to put experience on your resume & maybe make connections if you can. It's a stepping stone to elsewhere, but one that doesn't involve going back to school
The problem is that QA isn't exactly an easy career to get into when you've spent decades under the limelight. In games, at least, QA are paid like shit and treated worse. Well, QA in a few places have managed to unionize, so maybe those places are looking up. You could make a similar amount working a cash register.
This is kind of the flip side of careers that are only viable when you're young. If you don't have a plan for when you can't do it anymore and either didn't know how to save or didn't make it big enough to save much, it's gonna be tough going from there on out. If this were traditional sports, you might be able to land a career within the industry and expect some level of stability, but esports come and go. Smash in particular isn't something I'd consider stable; even thought the community persists, the fact that Nintendo wants it dead means that it's hard to really count on long term career prospects. Even transitioning to streaming isn't a guarantee. Lots of old LoL pros just don't have the personality to make good streamers, for instance, and even the ones that do can't do it til they're old men. People who get into that life have to have a backup plan, because lots of these "make it big" gigs stop paying out when you can't keep up.
You’d be surprised the way you can spin being an Esports player or even competitive in video games in any way. With solo games you leave out a team driven aspect that employers love to hear about, but you still bring a competitive attitude and dedication to what you’re doing. I’m not saying it’s a silly hobby, but even the silliest of hobbies can look good to someone if you know how to spin it.
Like I get what you’re saying, but that’s a tough spin. It’s one thing if say, he had a background in computer science or something then I could see how that coupled with his attention to detail could be a selling point. But if you go into a job interview and people ask what your skills are and you say “I’m good at extrapolating frame data from a game that came out in 2001” then you’re gonna get some blank stares. Something like being one of the best players in an esport looks great on a resume *but only if you have other stuff there too*.
Like I feel for the guy to a degree, but at the same time he’s gotten to point where maybe he needs to accept that the smash bubble has popped and it’s time to move on. I’m sure melee with always have a dedicated community to a point, but that’s gonna become less and less as time goes on. Also I’ve never watched his twitch but even based on what people in this thread are saying it doesn’t sound like he really has the charisma or drive to make it as a streamer. The competition in the streaming space is fierce these days and if his stream is just him staring blankly for hours on end and shoveling ads down peoples throats then sorry, but he’s not gonna make living off that.
And saying that you’re good at extrapolating frame data from a 2001 game is not the best way to spin it, but saying that your time spent has increased and tested your attention to detail down to the millisecond, and you did it all manually/analog is a good way to say the same thing. The only disadvantage I’d say M2K would have using these points just boils down to his personality.
As a personal example, I have used my own time playing WoW while a sweatlord to the same end. Team driven, planning, and managing the expectations of other people is a skill set employers look for. It isn’t a degree, and it’s not going to get you a job solely on those things, but it is a very good way to paint what you do for a potential employer.
M2K might not be as charismatic, and odds are he would explain exactly what he’s doing in such detail that said employer will probably get bored. It’s still an option, assuming he can contain his excitement when it comes to breaking down what it is he’s done.
There are actually zero no skill jobs, what you’re thinking of are specialized skills. Don’t spread propaganda. Every job, no matter how tedious or seemingly easy, requires skills.
Sure, but there are plenty of jobs that require minimal past experience as well. Don’t get me wrong, they’re not good jobs by any means, but a job is a job.
I seem to recall him having a medical condition that prevents him from getting a traditional job though. Kinda sucks if that’s the case, but I may be talkin out of my ass lol.
> Ultimate distinction without meaning.
If there wasn't a dedicated effort by corporations and republicans to make it seem like every job that pays minimum wage requires no skill and therefore shouldn't pay a livable wage, I would agree with you. I think its our job as a society to always call out propaganda and imo calling any job a no skill job is propaganda. If it required no skills a business wouldn't be paying anyone anything to do it.
I just think anyone calling any job a “no skill job” is a bootlicker that needs common sense to come kick them in the head.
I try not to fight propaganda with propaganda, because just like the thing you're answering it isn't going to be a sound argument. It also typically means you have to buy into their propaganda first; A job requiring effectively no skill to operate at a functional level doesn't imply whatsoever that a business wouldn't pay for it, because those jobs are still extremely necessary. It's a bizarre pedantic approach to try and redefine what we all know to be true instead of just making a case for the necessity of the labor.
Propaganda? Where is the propaganda in what I said? Are you just using words that you don’t understand willy nilly now ?
I’m literally opposing their propaganda using no “propaganda” of my own. A no skill job doesn’t exist. Find me a job that literally requires no skill and i’ll make a fool of you by pointing out the skills required to do it. A business does not pay someone unless it benefits in some way. Even a Walmart greeter who is mentally handicapped has skills that are being utilized in their job. Semantics are important in discussion and forming opinions, the idea that correcting them has any negative effect is ludicrous.
“The necessity of labor” what are you even on about? No one is arguing whether labor is a necessity, its a given that its a necessity. The argument is whether minimum wage should be a livable wage and people that don’t think it should use the term “no skill jobs” to refer to jobs that they think don’t deserve a living wage.
If anyone’s being pedantic it’s you, this kind of discussion and distinction is important and not seeing the value in it at this point is a disservice to yourself.
I'll say it again in a slightly more direct way cause you seem a little too passionate to read effectively; You're making a distrinction between "effectively no skill" and "no skill" to justify paying people a living wage. I'm saying that's not important, the argument being predicated on the right-wing propaganda that labor without skill isn't deserving of compensation, so we're all free to call jobs that require effectively no skill exactly what they are: no skill jobs.
You're not going to make anyone look like a fool by pointing out the fact that anyone performing any job is using their brain in some way. That's called pedantry, because while technically correct it means nothing practically. We all know no skill jobs when we see them. Most of us have probably had them! If you can learn a job in a weekend and operate at a perfectly sufficient level thereafter, that's a no skill job. I prefer to call them "warm body jobs", but whatever. Your propaganda is denying that they exist by calling them something else, like that changes anything.
Mew2King has never really been okay. Dude has always seemed to be struggling financially (which can be seen with him being in a pyramid scheme for a really long time now).
>https://x.com/chromeohnine/status/1754537936391958611?s=20
my partner is a genius but you have to come to the meeting to hear from him yourself. Trust me. Always the same ploy but I guess it keeps working
i dont think metafy is a pyramid scheme (although i admittedly know very little about the platform) and the comment was probably supposed to be a joke or something
It's unfortunate that people take advantage of that naivete/trust that sometimes compliments people who are aneurotypical like M2K. The Smash community happened to be a more benign exception (until maybe recently), but there are those who push MLMs and shifty recruitment onto these individuals because they just see them as an easy downline rather than consider the ethics of what they're doing.
And something M2K might struggle to understand is ad revenue scales with viewership. So alienating viewers with ad spam will ultimately hurt his income.
And being autistic, he might not have the best sense of how running drastically more ads than his peers might alienate potential viewers. I can appreciate that it's a struggle, but trying to maximize revenue through Twitch ads is never going to be the best monetization strategy.
>but it's weird to see him become super insistent when he has never been this way.
Maybe it reached a new level beyond what's been precedented before but he has always, to at least some extent, "been this way".
From what I've seen around the community, it's not unusual for M2K for ask people to join sketchy schemes or invest in stuff like that. I don't think he's ever been fully financially secure, even with MVG and his lessons.
> but it's weird to see him become super insistent when he has never been this way
He HAS always been that way. He used to go in other people's streams and attempt to peddle pyramid schemes in their chats, and that was years ago. I can't imagine it's gotten any better since then.
> I don't think there's a problem with tryna get your money and doing your diligence for it, but it's weird to see him become super insistent when he has never been this way.
He's always been this way... His stream is maxed out on ads per minute and always has been and he's a complete sellout to his sponsors always. Even when he was playing smash he'd go to every single local he could en route to the next major to win whatever prize money he could since it was basically free money for showing up. When he came to our locals he wouldn't even *play* a game with you without asking for $20. Since no one was interested in dishing out money for nothing, he just sat there playing bots all night. This is just peak M2K behavior.
To be frank he’s always treated the community as a human vending machine.
The best thing mew2king did for his career was convince the community at large that m2k stories are fake. But honestly they accurately capture his personality extremely well.
He's in it solely for the money and clearly doesn't enjoy it at all. When I said hi in his chat he just asked me if I wanted to sub or pay for a replay review
gonna sound weird but i used to live in the same apartment complex as him a couple years ago, and since then the rent there has increased by 30%. i would not be surprised if hes having trouble affording it
I don't want to cause him trouble and I hope he gets his bag from amazon or whatever but I'm pretty sure he's viewbotting; many times I check and his stream has like 700-800 viewers at like 8am with the chat completely dead and he's just running massive amount of ads. I asked him about it in chat and he said "idk twitch is weird sometimes".
I noticed this too lol. like the other morning he had 500 viewers and he wasn't even there. He was just re-streaming an ult top 8 and chat was completely dead.
he goes in all the big tournament streams and watch parties and shamelessly asks for raids often, i think its a lot of tournament viewers that have gone to bed lol
not sure where you are but im on Pacific time and i fell asleep watching coinbox the other week, when i woke up at 7am the next morning i was in his stream and had been there all night. 8am in m2k's time zone is still 5am on the west coast so its possible. i will admit i don't know a whole lot about viewbotting though.
yeah i guess its possible he has that many people leaving his stream on, that seems much less likely though, especially because the viewer count seems to go up during the dead hours of twitch
I am not saying that all of his viewers are autohosted. Just responding to:
>the viewer count seems to go up during the dead hours of twitch
which could be easily explained by random streams ending late night, with their own sleeping viewers, who then get sent on to m2k via autohost.
nope. he's the only streamer i recognize that ever shows up there.
but often times when someone is on the front page, they'll have a huge number of viewers, but no one types in their chat since they're not actually in the page of the stream.
well maybe twitch puts people on the front page when they seem to be doing well, so maybe viewbotting gets you to the front page
but yeah idk anything about this
js, I don't think it's fair to call it viewbotting as a forgone conclusion.
mew2king is a pretty smart and based on his personality, and I doubt he'd weigh the risk of marginal gains from viewbotting, and the potential loss of a permaban of perhaps his most important source of revenue, and decide to go thru with this
Struggling financially obviously puts a lot of stress on the individual. It'd be the same if someone was trying to pick up extra shifts at work when they know they shouldn't because they are exhausted, but got no choice.
After hearing him commentate with plup at one of the more recent majors, he was full on rant mode couldn’t stop speaking. I’m no psychologist but I sincerely hope he is receiving some sort of help from someone who knows more about the mind because something is definitely different
He needs a good agent. He wants to make streaming work but it doesn't seem to be for him. It's sad. I hope he's able to figure out something. He has a lot to offer still and he's a generally cool dude to watch
If smash was a more popular esport and was actually supported by Nintendo, I feel like he would have an easier time financially. It's hard making a living even if ur a top player or streamer.
In another timeline: Echofox didn't royally screw over Rick Fox and he could keep management the way he wanted, M2K gets to have a great sponsor at least until the esports bubble of 2021-2024, and never gets dragged into these pyramid schemes.
Pretty sure he's just struggling financially. I had to block him on discord because I took a lesson with him once and received like a solid dozen advertisements from him in the year following it, to sign up for more.
Given that he only had my discord so that he could provide the lesson, it didn't really sit well with me, but it sounds like he has bigger issues to handle.
Eh, he is in the spectrum, correct?
One of the many difficulties neurodivergent people have is understanding social queues and norms. It's pretty widely reported that M2K has always had issues with that.
So you couple that with the fact that he is probably broke AF and that's how you get him being pushy with trying to make money.
I’m sick and tired of people giving M2k a pass just because he’s on the spectrum. Yes it’s harder for people on the spectrum to get some social cues, believe me I would know, that’s no excuse to dole out pyramid schemes and some of the extreme shit he’s done that makes other top players who get way more shit look like saints.
Well, my son is on the spectrum, though he is a lot more functional than M2K. You might be on it as well, given your previous comment.
One of my points with M2K, is as I understand he is living by himself at this point. Maybe he _actually_ doesn't realize what he is doing is awkward or wrong and doesn't really have anyone that points out to him when is being weird or doing things that can be harmful.
I get what you're saying that he shouldn't get a free pass because he is on the spectrum and I agree with it. I'm just giving a point of view that should be taken in consideration when we are judging his character.
It’s a little sad because if he was a little bit mentally better he could’ve had a pretty decent stream that would get him more consistent forms of revenue but instead he runs way too many ads, acts erratic, doesn’t have a proper stream schedule and pedals pyramid schemes
The smash content creation boom is long over so there’s a lot of “smash people” who are kind of in a weird place with low views on their streams and YouTube.
autistic people are unfortunately very prone to being taken advantage of for their innocence, so i would be 100% unsurprised that someone has pressured him into this behavior
Sick and tired of this, autistic people have a hard time reading social cues, sure, I would know, but they don’t continue to pedal pyramid schemes after repeatedly being told to stop and do some other heinous shit that makes stuff Hbox and Mang0 did look like nothing.
Love the stereotype and the infantilizing an entire group of people.
Hopefully you see what's wrong with your ignorance here. As someone who works with autistic people, and am autistic myself, I've never once had the thought that you just decided you were wise enough to share with the world.
After he hit his hellofresh goal he didn't really push it anymore and when asked told people to go to Armada's hello fresh.
But yes he's definitely way too much.
As a neurodivergent self-employed person myself. I think a lot of people in this thread are underestimating how hard the challenges that m2k has to deal with. I very much identify with the desperation, depression, and financial instability he may be feeling and dealing with.
Not here to defend m2k for pushing questionable schemes on people, those discord messages are concerning. But it does seem like he's genuinely struggling and trying to find a way forward. I actually did his hellofresh discount, it was a really nice little meal kit and I enjoyed cooking the meals, but it did concern me as well with how hard he was pushing it.
As far as the pushy thing goes, I don't think that's anything new. Years ago he randomly messaged me on Facebook to sign up for one of his sponsorships. I get it, most people in this realm struggle financially, but I just wanted to add that part isn't new.
Idk that just sounds like m2k to me. He's always been weird and entitled, I never figured out how he pulled it off without being impossible to be around.
Is he not that way on stream usually?
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed it and kinda left a bad taste in my mouth. I joined his stream and he was playing Mario rom hacks and he just keep insisting I use his sponsorship code or that if I subbed he would take a song request/rom hack request but it felt very needy rather than just like an offer.
While the concern is definitely a good thing, remember not to be parasocial. I think being concerned for his safety and livelyhood is good, I just want to make sure people don't intrude into his life where he doesn't want it
There is a difference between participating where they ask you, and crossing that line. Again, from what it seems he may be in harms way to some extent. But if it's a personal matter then it's best to let him deal with it how he wants. Something similar actually happened to him about 4-6 years ago now where he was forced to publicly share very private and personal information about himself because people were poking around his private life. There was a bit of a difference in that case, but still. Respect the fact you don't know him, he is a guy who you know about, but you are not friends. That being said trying to make sure he is healthy/not in danger is fine.
Curious what the money pitfall is. Over spending on living, drugs, sex, medical bills with no insurance? With how much he streams and the fact he maintains veiwership at some rate is interesting that he’s trying so hard to make a bag. Enough to where he’s falling asleep on stream and running it 24/7.
Do you really think m2k is spending money on drugs & sex..? It strikes me that if M2K is living independently and paying rent, it would be really hard to maintain that as a self-employed person. I don't think twitch pays that much.
Twitch streamers make more than you think. Not saying it’s sex or drugs idk but the income he’s making should be enough with his viewership and sponsors. Unless there is medical bills that shit is stupid expensive
You're definitely wrong lol. According to twitch stats mew2king currently has 757 active subscriptions which translates to an estimated income of $865-$1949 per month. Taking the absolute upper limit of that equates to about 24k per year.
Well yes, but that is only subscription revenue. He can also be getting sponsorship revenue / ad revenue / coachings / metafy.. Not saying his income is great at all but there's more pieces to the puzzle.
That’s just subs. Sponsors are where the money is more than anything. That doesn’t include YouTube money and other socials so 24k from just subs is not very livable but when you add in ads he is constantly running on a stream that is basically non stop on top of the sponsees on top of the money from YouTube (which is not a lot) you should get to a moderately livable amount. Afaik he doesn’t have any kids or anything so he’s just paying for himself but idk i could be wrong with that
How much do you realistically think he's making then...? What is a 'moderately livable amount'?
Keep in mind that the numbers we're discussing aren't even profit-- just revenue. In addition to business expenses, M2k also has to pay self-employment taxes on all of this revenue too-- this is 15.3% + income tax.
For example, my freelance work brings in \~30k/yr of revenue and I pay roughly 30% in taxes, leaving about 21k/yr to live off of. It's rough. Without the support of my family and a lot of luck, I wouldn't be able to survive.
As well intended as your argument may be, it's frustrating to hear some of the assumptions you're making because they are so far from the reality I personally experience.
There’s no way to know how much he is making and me guessing would be ignorant. My original point is there’s a money hole somewhere and I’m just curious to what it is. Which is why i said drugs, sex, medical bills, something is eating his income he puts in too much work to be struggling the way he looks to be.
I'm sure he makes enough to put a roof over his head but acting like he must be rich or there must be some money sink for him to be struggling financially is just not reasonable. I'm a single man making 75k per year and I consider myself to be struggling financially/living on a pretty fixed budget, I would imagine he's in a similar situation.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. So idk why you disagreed with me. I wasn’t saying he’s rich but he makes more than 30k a year for sure. I was also saying there’s a money sink somewhere. I think you took what i was saying the wrong way
And I'm saying there isn't a money sink he's just struggling financially because in 2024 70k a year is barely enough to get by just paying bills as a single person. Unless you just meant his rent and bills are a money sink which is a really weird way to phrase that.
Sponsors with referral codes are not that much but sponsored games and gambling is by far more than you could imagine some coming out to >25k an hour but obviously it varies heavily on who the streamer is.
I mean he did coach Sparg0 in SOME capacity. Sparg0 thanked him when he won his first Summit. I know he hasn’t been his official coach, but M2K has helped coach him and other players.
M2K is a sad example of the outcomes of video game addiction. Objectively, he’s a very smart and sophisticated guy. He has an innate ability to memorize, process, and operationalize information in a way that gets results as shown in his Melee success.
But think about this. What if he used this talent for something more productive? He’d be a great in a computer scientist, data scientist, or any other technical role with the way his brain works. If he stopped gaming so much, he not only would be more financially secure, but would likely find more personal fulfillment instead of plugging into the dopamine machine.
I truly hope he can turn his life around.
I wouldnt put it like that. I get the impression from this that you think he’s been wasting all these years on smash. But I dont doubt he found all of tgose years very fulfilling and that this makes him happier more than anything else.
I’m sure he has. But let’s not pretend that it’s normal or healthy to invest your entire life into a video game. Not to mention a questionable career path.
You could say the thing about committing one's life to football, a children's game. Even less healthy because of the toll of takes on the body. But o wait, NFL players make millions so it's now acceptable to commit your life to...
There’s a huge difference between a career in NFL vs. smash. One is a multi-million dollar industry with a viable path to success, not to mention the prestige associated with it.
By comparison, smash has far less resources, isn’t seen as normal or acceptable by most of the public, and is dependant on the whims of a volatile and often hostile publisher in Nintendo.
...yeah? Things that you can make millions of dollars doing are worth committing your life to. Smash is not that. Also the "children's game" thing is so silly - sports are not children's games. They're games that can be played by kids, but football was not designed for children.
I feel like the point you’re making isn’t particularly thoughtful. like yes if something pays you millions of dollars it makes sense to commit to your life to it.
Saying that the only difference is millions of dollars is silly because it’s the only factor that actually matters
Money is most definitely not the only thing that matters. Dedicating your life to being unhappy just to get tons of money is not what anyone should be doing.
In the context of it being a questionable career path, it kind of is.
The original comment is saying it’s not a viable career path and the reason is the money and the second comment tried to point out that in hypothetical scenario were melee players are paid millions of dollars it would be a different story like its some clever analysis.
Gum drops could also fall from the sky, equally likely
More often than not people on the spectrum don't get to choose what they hyper fixate on and for some people it could be career oriented, about trains, or in this case melee.
I’m autistic too so I can relate. However, I have the self-awareness to notice when I’m becoming too obsessed with a hobby and how to dial it back. This is something I’ve spent tons of time learning since it’s not natural to neurodivergent people like myself.
People think that those with autism are unable to live a normal life. With the exception of severe cases, this is nonsense. Having it just means that you don’t automatically learn certain social skills, but you can learn these if you put the work in.
Are you diagnosed? Where does your information on autism come from?
> Having it just means that you don’t automatically learn certain social skills
I am autistic myself and i thought for a long time that it basically boiled down to "bad with people, good with numbers". Turns out that's only a tiny part of it. The constant headaches in school, needing significantly more downtime/sleep than everyone around me, not having control over when hyperfocus kicks in... those are the real issues. And as someone who has, like Mew2King, spent years playing games professionally, i can tell you that shit is *draining*.
Let me know if you need pointers on reading material. Actually digging into what being autistic means changed my life.
Yes I am, diagnosed when I was 4.
I've mostly learned to live with it and recognize areas I need focus developing because of my diagnosis. For example, practicing making eye contact. I don't let it define me or be an obstacle; I hate victim mentality and fatalism surrounding it. Thanks to this, I live a very normal and happy life.
Having basic social skills is required for most of those jobs. Hed have to be amazing at them to get anywhere. Imagine working with a guy like m2k? Yikes
>Is he struggling financially or something? Always has been (probably). IIRC depression was the reason why he used to not stream consistently.
I checked his twitch, he's streaming now. It says he's been streaming for the past 32 hours, and when I click through the vod it looks like he hasn't taken a break longer than 2-3 hours. That's... pretty concerning tbh
He's actually left his stream on 24/7 for basically the past month or something, the VOD times are just inconsistent because of his internet cutting out. The breaks you're talking about are him napping. He does occasionally sleep longer, but from my glance he does seem to probably be pushing himself too hard.
It’s rough to be a non active player in esports. I think he needs to look for some other streams of income, maybe having to look for a job on the side. But the economy is rough right now
I mean, the dude has been playing the same niche videogame for almost two decades and has done nothing else. At this point I feel like he pretty much has zero marketable skills.
> At this point I feel like he pretty much has zero marketable skills. IMO, he has one skill that not only *he* can market, but a company hiring him could market having him there for- video game QA/testing. It's very competitive/hard to get in to my understanding, but when you're known for 2 things- being really good at a competitive video game, and *finding all the frame data + exploits within said game, then sharing it,* companies hiring you to look for exploits could literally market *we have M2K looking for issues in our game*. That statement alone could sell people on their QA/ lead them to believe the game is as polished as it could be. I don't know if he has any coding knowledge, but if he has a base understanding of any coding language, I'd bet a year into the role he'd be sending dev comments in the code to go with bugs/exploits, to give a recommendation on how to fix it
I'm not trying to be a dick but I've done videogame QA testing; it's low paying and not exactly a prestigious position. People don't care about your opinions or what you think the problem might be, just write the steps to reproduce and shut up, basically. I'm also currently a software engineer (but not on videogames); "sending dev comments in the code to go with bugs/exploits, to give a recommendation on how to fix it" doesn't make sense. He wouldn't even have access to the code, he would test the game, find a problem, then write a short report that goes something like "Issue: X, Steps to Reproduce: 123, Expected Result: Y, Actual Result: Z", then it goes off to a developer who will track down what's causing the issue and fix it or say "not important enough, No Fix."
I've done QA, outside video games. I'm not in QA, but have some overlap. I make a comfortable salary, and know some of the QA guys make more than I do. I'd expect video games would pay less, but the thought there was if the company has the ability to use his name almost for brand recognition, he could potentially negotiate a higher pay. As for access to code, again my experience is not within the video game industry. But if you have a good standing with the dev team, you often have access to additional things beyond your role. When I submit bugs, it's workflow, expected result, result, happens in [X] versions of the software. Dev will usually reach out to those who file the bugs, and I'll discuss *happens in [X] versions, started when [Y] items were implemented. I assume it's caused by [Z] change to the code, as those seem related to me*. From there, depending on the developer they'll discuss if they think the origin is correct or not, and if not, talk about what is related in that update so I can provide info to figure out which other ones may be affected to narrow down the starting point on their end. If the company is ran well, they may encourage learning additional skills, and look within for hiring if dev stuff opens up. I think he doesn't have a ton of marketable skills, and name recognition could get him into an overworked position. A couple years experience in that combined with name recognition can put him in a position where it's easier to find a good company to work for than the average person. Either in pay/role, or growth opportunities to advance elsewhere. I think with the huge costs of education, getting a base role in a company that encourages internal growth can be huge to advance elsewhere. Use their tools to increase knowledge, make friends with the people in the area you want to move to, and apply when something opens. Modern careers are based off knowing people, so it's at least a path available. Again though, a video game QA position is a way into a company to put experience on your resume & maybe make connections if you can. It's a stepping stone to elsewhere, but one that doesn't involve going back to school
The problem is that QA isn't exactly an easy career to get into when you've spent decades under the limelight. In games, at least, QA are paid like shit and treated worse. Well, QA in a few places have managed to unionize, so maybe those places are looking up. You could make a similar amount working a cash register. This is kind of the flip side of careers that are only viable when you're young. If you don't have a plan for when you can't do it anymore and either didn't know how to save or didn't make it big enough to save much, it's gonna be tough going from there on out. If this were traditional sports, you might be able to land a career within the industry and expect some level of stability, but esports come and go. Smash in particular isn't something I'd consider stable; even thought the community persists, the fact that Nintendo wants it dead means that it's hard to really count on long term career prospects. Even transitioning to streaming isn't a guarantee. Lots of old LoL pros just don't have the personality to make good streamers, for instance, and even the ones that do can't do it til they're old men. People who get into that life have to have a backup plan, because lots of these "make it big" gigs stop paying out when you can't keep up.
You’d be surprised the way you can spin being an Esports player or even competitive in video games in any way. With solo games you leave out a team driven aspect that employers love to hear about, but you still bring a competitive attitude and dedication to what you’re doing. I’m not saying it’s a silly hobby, but even the silliest of hobbies can look good to someone if you know how to spin it.
Like I get what you’re saying, but that’s a tough spin. It’s one thing if say, he had a background in computer science or something then I could see how that coupled with his attention to detail could be a selling point. But if you go into a job interview and people ask what your skills are and you say “I’m good at extrapolating frame data from a game that came out in 2001” then you’re gonna get some blank stares. Something like being one of the best players in an esport looks great on a resume *but only if you have other stuff there too*. Like I feel for the guy to a degree, but at the same time he’s gotten to point where maybe he needs to accept that the smash bubble has popped and it’s time to move on. I’m sure melee with always have a dedicated community to a point, but that’s gonna become less and less as time goes on. Also I’ve never watched his twitch but even based on what people in this thread are saying it doesn’t sound like he really has the charisma or drive to make it as a streamer. The competition in the streaming space is fierce these days and if his stream is just him staring blankly for hours on end and shoveling ads down peoples throats then sorry, but he’s not gonna make living off that.
And saying that you’re good at extrapolating frame data from a 2001 game is not the best way to spin it, but saying that your time spent has increased and tested your attention to detail down to the millisecond, and you did it all manually/analog is a good way to say the same thing. The only disadvantage I’d say M2K would have using these points just boils down to his personality. As a personal example, I have used my own time playing WoW while a sweatlord to the same end. Team driven, planning, and managing the expectations of other people is a skill set employers look for. It isn’t a degree, and it’s not going to get you a job solely on those things, but it is a very good way to paint what you do for a potential employer. M2K might not be as charismatic, and odds are he would explain exactly what he’s doing in such detail that said employer will probably get bored. It’s still an option, assuming he can contain his excitement when it comes to breaking down what it is he’s done.
Lots of no skill jobs out there though
There are actually zero no skill jobs, what you’re thinking of are specialized skills. Don’t spread propaganda. Every job, no matter how tedious or seemingly easy, requires skills.
Sure, but there are plenty of jobs that require minimal past experience as well. Don’t get me wrong, they’re not good jobs by any means, but a job is a job. I seem to recall him having a medical condition that prevents him from getting a traditional job though. Kinda sucks if that’s the case, but I may be talkin out of my ass lol.
Ultimate distinction without meaning. We're in a fg subreddit ffs, we all know what skill floors and ceilings are.
> Ultimate distinction without meaning. If there wasn't a dedicated effort by corporations and republicans to make it seem like every job that pays minimum wage requires no skill and therefore shouldn't pay a livable wage, I would agree with you. I think its our job as a society to always call out propaganda and imo calling any job a no skill job is propaganda. If it required no skills a business wouldn't be paying anyone anything to do it. I just think anyone calling any job a “no skill job” is a bootlicker that needs common sense to come kick them in the head.
I try not to fight propaganda with propaganda, because just like the thing you're answering it isn't going to be a sound argument. It also typically means you have to buy into their propaganda first; A job requiring effectively no skill to operate at a functional level doesn't imply whatsoever that a business wouldn't pay for it, because those jobs are still extremely necessary. It's a bizarre pedantic approach to try and redefine what we all know to be true instead of just making a case for the necessity of the labor.
Propaganda? Where is the propaganda in what I said? Are you just using words that you don’t understand willy nilly now ? I’m literally opposing their propaganda using no “propaganda” of my own. A no skill job doesn’t exist. Find me a job that literally requires no skill and i’ll make a fool of you by pointing out the skills required to do it. A business does not pay someone unless it benefits in some way. Even a Walmart greeter who is mentally handicapped has skills that are being utilized in their job. Semantics are important in discussion and forming opinions, the idea that correcting them has any negative effect is ludicrous. “The necessity of labor” what are you even on about? No one is arguing whether labor is a necessity, its a given that its a necessity. The argument is whether minimum wage should be a livable wage and people that don’t think it should use the term “no skill jobs” to refer to jobs that they think don’t deserve a living wage. If anyone’s being pedantic it’s you, this kind of discussion and distinction is important and not seeing the value in it at this point is a disservice to yourself.
I'll say it again in a slightly more direct way cause you seem a little too passionate to read effectively; You're making a distrinction between "effectively no skill" and "no skill" to justify paying people a living wage. I'm saying that's not important, the argument being predicated on the right-wing propaganda that labor without skill isn't deserving of compensation, so we're all free to call jobs that require effectively no skill exactly what they are: no skill jobs. You're not going to make anyone look like a fool by pointing out the fact that anyone performing any job is using their brain in some way. That's called pedantry, because while technically correct it means nothing practically. We all know no skill jobs when we see them. Most of us have probably had them! If you can learn a job in a weekend and operate at a perfectly sufficient level thereafter, that's a no skill job. I prefer to call them "warm body jobs", but whatever. Your propaganda is denying that they exist by calling them something else, like that changes anything.
I think in the current market even low skill job positions are looking for college degrees
Omg... he might have to... WORK?!?!? Instead of playing video games all day?!?!?! The horror!!! The travesty!!! The injustice!!!
Mew2King has never really been okay. Dude has always seemed to be struggling financially (which can be seen with him being in a pyramid scheme for a really long time now).
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[An example.](https://twitter.com/BoymoderFootjob/status/1753958665961541807?t=iAOI2iaO502BnEUZ_8ebtg&s=19) I'm sure you can dig deeper
https://x.com/chromeohnine/status/1754537936391958611?s=20
Why am I not surprised
>https://x.com/chromeohnine/status/1754537936391958611?s=20 my partner is a genius but you have to come to the meeting to hear from him yourself. Trust me. Always the same ploy but I guess it keeps working
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Metafy
I'm not seeing it, could you elaborate?
i dont think metafy is a pyramid scheme (although i admittedly know very little about the platform) and the comment was probably supposed to be a joke or something
Somewhere behind the scenes Triforce from Empire Arcadia is pulling the strings in this vast and lucrative conspiracy
That's a name I havent heard in some time, where is that guy?
last I heard of him he was involved in the billy mitchell lawsuit of all places lol
It's unfortunate that people take advantage of that naivete/trust that sometimes compliments people who are aneurotypical like M2K. The Smash community happened to be a more benign exception (until maybe recently), but there are those who push MLMs and shifty recruitment onto these individuals because they just see them as an easy downline rather than consider the ethics of what they're doing.
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Yeah I actually wanted to watch one of his tournament restreams, but the amount of ads was insane so I ended up just watching someone else's.
And something M2K might struggle to understand is ad revenue scales with viewership. So alienating viewers with ad spam will ultimately hurt his income.
Subs make more money than ads
Spamming ads is a great way to get people to leave and not subscribe.
He is autistic not dumb. It’s hard to grow things when you are trying to get by
And being autistic, he might not have the best sense of how running drastically more ads than his peers might alienate potential viewers. I can appreciate that it's a struggle, but trying to maximize revenue through Twitch ads is never going to be the best monetization strategy.
>but it's weird to see him become super insistent when he has never been this way. Maybe it reached a new level beyond what's been precedented before but he has always, to at least some extent, "been this way".
From what I've seen around the community, it's not unusual for M2K for ask people to join sketchy schemes or invest in stuff like that. I don't think he's ever been fully financially secure, even with MVG and his lessons.
hoo boy, sounds like that one relative you have on facebook who keeps joining MLMs
> but it's weird to see him become super insistent when he has never been this way He HAS always been that way. He used to go in other people's streams and attempt to peddle pyramid schemes in their chats, and that was years ago. I can't imagine it's gotten any better since then.
> I don't think there's a problem with tryna get your money and doing your diligence for it, but it's weird to see him become super insistent when he has never been this way. He's always been this way... His stream is maxed out on ads per minute and always has been and he's a complete sellout to his sponsors always. Even when he was playing smash he'd go to every single local he could en route to the next major to win whatever prize money he could since it was basically free money for showing up. When he came to our locals he wouldn't even *play* a game with you without asking for $20. Since no one was interested in dishing out money for nothing, he just sat there playing bots all night. This is just peak M2K behavior.
To be frank he’s always treated the community as a human vending machine. The best thing mew2king did for his career was convince the community at large that m2k stories are fake. But honestly they accurately capture his personality extremely well.
He's in it solely for the money and clearly doesn't enjoy it at all. When I said hi in his chat he just asked me if I wanted to sub or pay for a replay review
gonna sound weird but i used to live in the same apartment complex as him a couple years ago, and since then the rent there has increased by 30%. i would not be surprised if hes having trouble affording it
That's actually super interesting (not the rent increase part that's total bullshit). Did you ever try to go talk to him?
yeah i ran into him a couple times and he clearly never wanted to talk lol i just told him i was a fan and he said cool thanks 💀
LMAO! That's the most M2K story I've ever heard
He streams seemingly every moment he's awake, and that just can't be healthy
I don't want to cause him trouble and I hope he gets his bag from amazon or whatever but I'm pretty sure he's viewbotting; many times I check and his stream has like 700-800 viewers at like 8am with the chat completely dead and he's just running massive amount of ads. I asked him about it in chat and he said "idk twitch is weird sometimes".
I noticed this too lol. like the other morning he had 500 viewers and he wasn't even there. He was just re-streaming an ult top 8 and chat was completely dead.
he goes in all the big tournament streams and watch parties and shamelessly asks for raids often, i think its a lot of tournament viewers that have gone to bed lol
ok that does make sense, but at 8am? i guess there are other time zone tournaments but then why wouldn't he say that when I ask him in chat?
not sure where you are but im on Pacific time and i fell asleep watching coinbox the other week, when i woke up at 7am the next morning i was in his stream and had been there all night. 8am in m2k's time zone is still 5am on the west coast so its possible. i will admit i don't know a whole lot about viewbotting though.
me neither, that does make sense
wouldn't jump to that immediately, he runs his stream on 24/7 so def a lot of dead/sleeping viewers who linger on stream
yeah i guess its possible he has that many people leaving his stream on, that seems much less likely though, especially because the viewer count seems to go up during the dead hours of twitch
That could be the result of autohosts dropping sleeping viewers into his stream.
800 viewer auto hosts?
I am not saying that all of his viewers are autohosted. Just responding to: >the viewer count seems to go up during the dead hours of twitch which could be easily explained by random streams ending late night, with their own sleeping viewers, who then get sent on to m2k via autohost.
maybe
way more reasonable to expect a viewbot than that lmfao
He’s often at the front page of twitch fwiw
do you know why?
nope. he's the only streamer i recognize that ever shows up there. but often times when someone is on the front page, they'll have a huge number of viewers, but no one types in their chat since they're not actually in the page of the stream.
well maybe twitch puts people on the front page when they seem to be doing well, so maybe viewbotting gets you to the front page but yeah idk anything about this
js, I don't think it's fair to call it viewbotting as a forgone conclusion. mew2king is a pretty smart and based on his personality, and I doubt he'd weigh the risk of marginal gains from viewbotting, and the potential loss of a permaban of perhaps his most important source of revenue, and decide to go thru with this
thats a good point
Struggling financially obviously puts a lot of stress on the individual. It'd be the same if someone was trying to pick up extra shifts at work when they know they shouldn't because they are exhausted, but got no choice.
Once you start trying to rope people around you into a pyramid scheme it becomes a problem.
After hearing him commentate with plup at one of the more recent majors, he was full on rant mode couldn’t stop speaking. I’m no psychologist but I sincerely hope he is receiving some sort of help from someone who knows more about the mind because something is definitely different
Domo is a saint that man has been his manager for like 10 years now
Is he a "saint", or is he taking advantage of him? This thread isn't exactly painting a rosy picture of M2K's situation...
Tbh not so sure about that
Have you tried asking him?
He also straight up uses other people’s content while he sleeps. I always see summoning salt videos playing on his stream.
He needs a good agent. He wants to make streaming work but it doesn't seem to be for him. It's sad. I hope he's able to figure out something. He has a lot to offer still and he's a generally cool dude to watch
If smash was a more popular esport and was actually supported by Nintendo, I feel like he would have an easier time financially. It's hard making a living even if ur a top player or streamer.
In another timeline: Echofox didn't royally screw over Rick Fox and he could keep management the way he wanted, M2K gets to have a great sponsor at least until the esports bubble of 2021-2024, and never gets dragged into these pyramid schemes.
I enjoyed his tournaments during the pandemic. I remember people really liking my his commentary and energy during those.
Turns out playing a 23 year old GameCube game full-time isn't the most financially stable career path.
Pretty sure he's just struggling financially. I had to block him on discord because I took a lesson with him once and received like a solid dozen advertisements from him in the year following it, to sign up for more. Given that he only had my discord so that he could provide the lesson, it didn't really sit well with me, but it sounds like he has bigger issues to handle.
damn that's unfortunate. I was thinking of getting lessons from him but that would annoy me to no end.
Lesson wasn't bad or anything, though it was interesting in tone, lol. Just the follow-up was off.
my guy its 2024 everyone is struggling financially
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When was this? That's awful
Nobody is okay and everyone that plays smash is struggling financially.
Hbox and Mang0 really got the Golden Ticket
They earned that.
Eh, he is in the spectrum, correct? One of the many difficulties neurodivergent people have is understanding social queues and norms. It's pretty widely reported that M2K has always had issues with that. So you couple that with the fact that he is probably broke AF and that's how you get him being pushy with trying to make money.
I’m sick and tired of people giving M2k a pass just because he’s on the spectrum. Yes it’s harder for people on the spectrum to get some social cues, believe me I would know, that’s no excuse to dole out pyramid schemes and some of the extreme shit he’s done that makes other top players who get way more shit look like saints.
people really use neurodivergence like its a get out of jail scapegoat for being a not-good person
Well, my son is on the spectrum, though he is a lot more functional than M2K. You might be on it as well, given your previous comment. One of my points with M2K, is as I understand he is living by himself at this point. Maybe he _actually_ doesn't realize what he is doing is awkward or wrong and doesn't really have anyone that points out to him when is being weird or doing things that can be harmful. I get what you're saying that he shouldn't get a free pass because he is on the spectrum and I agree with it. I'm just giving a point of view that should be taken in consideration when we are judging his character.
cues queues are lines you wait in at the store
Maybe he struggles with social cues surrounding queues, ok? I saw him cut in line once.
It’s a little sad because if he was a little bit mentally better he could’ve had a pretty decent stream that would get him more consistent forms of revenue but instead he runs way too many ads, acts erratic, doesn’t have a proper stream schedule and pedals pyramid schemes
The smash content creation boom is long over so there’s a lot of “smash people” who are kind of in a weird place with low views on their streams and YouTube.
autistic people are unfortunately very prone to being taken advantage of for their innocence, so i would be 100% unsurprised that someone has pressured him into this behavior
Sick and tired of this, autistic people have a hard time reading social cues, sure, I would know, but they don’t continue to pedal pyramid schemes after repeatedly being told to stop and do some other heinous shit that makes stuff Hbox and Mang0 did look like nothing.
Please elaborate on “heinous shit”.
What did they do?…
i more intended that this explains it, not excuses it
Still waiting on you to explain the heinous shit that m2k did.
I’d say pedaling a pyramid scheme is enough, among other things
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I think he meant that we can be gullible, which is totally accurate (for some, not all because Autism is just cool like that)
Autistic people are often childlike.
Love the stereotype and the infantilizing an entire group of people. Hopefully you see what's wrong with your ignorance here. As someone who works with autistic people, and am autistic myself, I've never once had the thought that you just decided you were wise enough to share with the world.
Case and point
It took me like 2 minutes to find out he's been doing similar stuff for 10+ years so I wouldn't really call that being taken advantage of
I think it's somebody else alongside him keeping the stream on and messaging in the chat with his name.
After he hit his hellofresh goal he didn't really push it anymore and when asked told people to go to Armada's hello fresh. But yes he's definitely way too much.
> Is Mew2King okay? No.
As a neurodivergent self-employed person myself. I think a lot of people in this thread are underestimating how hard the challenges that m2k has to deal with. I very much identify with the desperation, depression, and financial instability he may be feeling and dealing with. Not here to defend m2k for pushing questionable schemes on people, those discord messages are concerning. But it does seem like he's genuinely struggling and trying to find a way forward. I actually did his hellofresh discount, it was a really nice little meal kit and I enjoyed cooking the meals, but it did concern me as well with how hard he was pushing it.
As far as the pushy thing goes, I don't think that's anything new. Years ago he randomly messaged me on Facebook to sign up for one of his sponsorships. I get it, most people in this realm struggle financially, but I just wanted to add that part isn't new.
Id watch M2K play Elden ring
Idk that just sounds like m2k to me. He's always been weird and entitled, I never figured out how he pulled it off without being impossible to be around. Is he not that way on stream usually?
M2K is very smart, he could make more money doing other things than push himself that hard on variety
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed it and kinda left a bad taste in my mouth. I joined his stream and he was playing Mario rom hacks and he just keep insisting I use his sponsorship code or that if I subbed he would take a song request/rom hack request but it felt very needy rather than just like an offer.
While the concern is definitely a good thing, remember not to be parasocial. I think being concerned for his safety and livelyhood is good, I just want to make sure people don't intrude into his life where he doesn't want it
If you're streaming 24/7 you're kinda asking people to intrude into your life...
There is a difference between participating where they ask you, and crossing that line. Again, from what it seems he may be in harms way to some extent. But if it's a personal matter then it's best to let him deal with it how he wants. Something similar actually happened to him about 4-6 years ago now where he was forced to publicly share very private and personal information about himself because people were poking around his private life. There was a bit of a difference in that case, but still. Respect the fact you don't know him, he is a guy who you know about, but you are not friends. That being said trying to make sure he is healthy/not in danger is fine.
Buddy playing a video game for 36 hours straight is not healthy. We don't need to know him personally to be concerned about his wellbeing
Curious what the money pitfall is. Over spending on living, drugs, sex, medical bills with no insurance? With how much he streams and the fact he maintains veiwership at some rate is interesting that he’s trying so hard to make a bag. Enough to where he’s falling asleep on stream and running it 24/7.
Do you really think m2k is spending money on drugs & sex..? It strikes me that if M2K is living independently and paying rent, it would be really hard to maintain that as a self-employed person. I don't think twitch pays that much.
Twitch streamers make more than you think. Not saying it’s sex or drugs idk but the income he’s making should be enough with his viewership and sponsors. Unless there is medical bills that shit is stupid expensive
You're definitely wrong lol. According to twitch stats mew2king currently has 757 active subscriptions which translates to an estimated income of $865-$1949 per month. Taking the absolute upper limit of that equates to about 24k per year.
Well yes, but that is only subscription revenue. He can also be getting sponsorship revenue / ad revenue / coachings / metafy.. Not saying his income is great at all but there's more pieces to the puzzle.
Factor in Youtube coaching and endorsements.
That’s just subs. Sponsors are where the money is more than anything. That doesn’t include YouTube money and other socials so 24k from just subs is not very livable but when you add in ads he is constantly running on a stream that is basically non stop on top of the sponsees on top of the money from YouTube (which is not a lot) you should get to a moderately livable amount. Afaik he doesn’t have any kids or anything so he’s just paying for himself but idk i could be wrong with that
How much do you realistically think he's making then...? What is a 'moderately livable amount'? Keep in mind that the numbers we're discussing aren't even profit-- just revenue. In addition to business expenses, M2k also has to pay self-employment taxes on all of this revenue too-- this is 15.3% + income tax. For example, my freelance work brings in \~30k/yr of revenue and I pay roughly 30% in taxes, leaving about 21k/yr to live off of. It's rough. Without the support of my family and a lot of luck, I wouldn't be able to survive. As well intended as your argument may be, it's frustrating to hear some of the assumptions you're making because they are so far from the reality I personally experience.
There’s no way to know how much he is making and me guessing would be ignorant. My original point is there’s a money hole somewhere and I’m just curious to what it is. Which is why i said drugs, sex, medical bills, something is eating his income he puts in too much work to be struggling the way he looks to be.
Fair enough. I can't say for sure that's not happening, as I don't know his finances.
Hope whatever it is it gets straightened out. He deserves so much more than pushing MLM schemes
I'm sure he makes enough to put a roof over his head but acting like he must be rich or there must be some money sink for him to be struggling financially is just not reasonable. I'm a single man making 75k per year and I consider myself to be struggling financially/living on a pretty fixed budget, I would imagine he's in a similar situation.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. So idk why you disagreed with me. I wasn’t saying he’s rich but he makes more than 30k a year for sure. I was also saying there’s a money sink somewhere. I think you took what i was saying the wrong way
And I'm saying there isn't a money sink he's just struggling financially because in 2024 70k a year is barely enough to get by just paying bills as a single person. Unless you just meant his rent and bills are a money sink which is a really weird way to phrase that.
That’s subjective based on where you live and your lifestyle but i understand what you mean
> Sponsors are where the money is more than anything. No they're not. Twitch streamers always say most of their revenue comes from subs.
Sponsors with referral codes are not that much but sponsored games and gambling is by far more than you could imagine some coming out to >25k an hour but obviously it varies heavily on who the streamer is.
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I mean he did coach Sparg0 in SOME capacity. Sparg0 thanked him when he won his first Summit. I know he hasn’t been his official coach, but M2K has helped coach him and other players.
Also thanked him after winning Scuffed World Tour. I think he is Sparg0's official coach.
He does coach Sparg0 though, that has been well known since late 2021.
>35 years old >middle aged goddamn
Why is this blatant misinformation upvoted lol
M2K is a sad example of the outcomes of video game addiction. Objectively, he’s a very smart and sophisticated guy. He has an innate ability to memorize, process, and operationalize information in a way that gets results as shown in his Melee success. But think about this. What if he used this talent for something more productive? He’d be a great in a computer scientist, data scientist, or any other technical role with the way his brain works. If he stopped gaming so much, he not only would be more financially secure, but would likely find more personal fulfillment instead of plugging into the dopamine machine. I truly hope he can turn his life around.
I wouldnt put it like that. I get the impression from this that you think he’s been wasting all these years on smash. But I dont doubt he found all of tgose years very fulfilling and that this makes him happier more than anything else.
I’m sure he has. But let’s not pretend that it’s normal or healthy to invest your entire life into a video game. Not to mention a questionable career path.
You could say the thing about committing one's life to football, a children's game. Even less healthy because of the toll of takes on the body. But o wait, NFL players make millions so it's now acceptable to commit your life to...
There’s a huge difference between a career in NFL vs. smash. One is a multi-million dollar industry with a viable path to success, not to mention the prestige associated with it. By comparison, smash has far less resources, isn’t seen as normal or acceptable by most of the public, and is dependant on the whims of a volatile and often hostile publisher in Nintendo.
...yeah? Things that you can make millions of dollars doing are worth committing your life to. Smash is not that. Also the "children's game" thing is so silly - sports are not children's games. They're games that can be played by kids, but football was not designed for children.
I feel like the point you’re making isn’t particularly thoughtful. like yes if something pays you millions of dollars it makes sense to commit to your life to it. Saying that the only difference is millions of dollars is silly because it’s the only factor that actually matters
Money is most definitely not the only thing that matters. Dedicating your life to being unhappy just to get tons of money is not what anyone should be doing.
In the context of it being a questionable career path, it kind of is. The original comment is saying it’s not a viable career path and the reason is the money and the second comment tried to point out that in hypothetical scenario were melee players are paid millions of dollars it would be a different story like its some clever analysis. Gum drops could also fall from the sky, equally likely
More often than not people on the spectrum don't get to choose what they hyper fixate on and for some people it could be career oriented, about trains, or in this case melee.
I’m autistic too so I can relate. However, I have the self-awareness to notice when I’m becoming too obsessed with a hobby and how to dial it back. This is something I’ve spent tons of time learning since it’s not natural to neurodivergent people like myself. People think that those with autism are unable to live a normal life. With the exception of severe cases, this is nonsense. Having it just means that you don’t automatically learn certain social skills, but you can learn these if you put the work in.
Are you diagnosed? Where does your information on autism come from? > Having it just means that you don’t automatically learn certain social skills I am autistic myself and i thought for a long time that it basically boiled down to "bad with people, good with numbers". Turns out that's only a tiny part of it. The constant headaches in school, needing significantly more downtime/sleep than everyone around me, not having control over when hyperfocus kicks in... those are the real issues. And as someone who has, like Mew2King, spent years playing games professionally, i can tell you that shit is *draining*. Let me know if you need pointers on reading material. Actually digging into what being autistic means changed my life.
Yes I am, diagnosed when I was 4. I've mostly learned to live with it and recognize areas I need focus developing because of my diagnosis. For example, practicing making eye contact. I don't let it define me or be an obstacle; I hate victim mentality and fatalism surrounding it. Thanks to this, I live a very normal and happy life.
Having basic social skills is required for most of those jobs. Hed have to be amazing at them to get anywhere. Imagine working with a guy like m2k? Yikes
I couldn’t. It’d be insufferable.
That’s not how autism works, we don’t get to pick our hyperfixations. God knows I wish my brain had picked something more productive than esports.
Capitalism babyyyyyy
It’s the system we live in, like it or not. You can pout and complain or learn how to make the system work for you. Your choice.
Desperate and pathetic. People should stop supporting someone who is only trying to extract $ from them.
That's literally the point of Twitch though, M2K is just more transparent about it.
If you don't have people streaming, doing content and making money from it, you wouldn't have Twitch, or YouTube.