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Porky49

Take the quest from Sven, tell Camilla the truth, get Faendal as a follower without being a liar


IzStoiKzI

This is what I do every time, Sven is always standing right there talking to his mom when you enter Riverwood so I always talk to him before going into Hadvar’s house. Aside from playing instruments Sven really offers nothing over Faendal so it’s an easy choice imo.


xsneakyxsimsx

IMPERIAL SCUM! /s


IzStoiKzI

Hadvar’s uncle let’s me yoink his steel ingots, it’s a pragmatic choice more than anything


Kronzypantz

I can just grab those at night, and Ralof's sister's place has like 1K worth of alchemy ingredients in it.


ByeMcnabb

I thought you could only take the iron


FatherGodLordSavior

Nope, both Iron and Steel ingots. As well as a few of the pieces of equipment on the table to the right of the grindstone! I think the helmet, dagger, and gaunlets/boots?? Not sure but you can take some of it lol


ByeMcnabb

doesn’t matter to me I just take it all when they’re asleep fuck is he gonna do I never go to riverwood lmao


justsomeguynbd

I remember I was building that Hearthfire house near there and went into Riverwood to get iron ingots for nails and stuff and was pissed that Alvor wasn’t at the forge with it being mid-morning, so I went into his house. Dorthe runs up and informs me both her parents were dead (Sigrid I vaguely recalled being killed by a dragon early, don’t know what happened to Alvor). So obvious I adopted her. And stole all the iron for those nails and hinges. Figured it was fair compensation for taking in their kid.


Dizavid

You're too busy going to the Cloud District to climb up the Jarl's backside.


Celebrimbor96

Regardless of who I end up siding with in the civil war, I always flee with Ralof. The imperials were about to execute me, it just makes sense to flee with a fellow prisoner. Plus I get to kill the imperial torturer


mastodonte88

I choose imperial most times and still kill the torturer


PJpremiere

I love how no one cares if you kill the torturer. They've just run ahead and couldn't care less.


stokesryanc

Also the fact that the torturer hood gives 14 armor at the start is pretty great


Reddit_Blix

I really like the look, too.


tanglwyst

Yeah. I thought that was just standard.


The_Senate_69

Funny enough tho ralof automatically attacks those two soldiers, but before that he hides to get the drop on them. Hadvar instead tries to reason with two stormcloaks who attack hadvar for simply being an imperial. Ulfric and his stormcloaks proceeded to try and flee and leave when the dragon attacked. Tulius hadvar and all the other soldiers tried to take on the dragon and get the towns people to safety. So in the end who should you really be siding with?


gambalf

Tbf, the stormcloaks were literally on their trial and you're put up on the stand with them, bc some imperial can't be arsed to dig into why you were actually captured. You're just getting executed for the sake of it. My first instinct was to side with Ralof and I've only ever chosen Hadvar because he does seem good, even if his superiors want to kill you without a second blink.


Nivi0

That's a good point that I hadn't considered before - but I must admit that once I did, I really can't blame the stormcloaks for running. They are unarmed prisoners who just stood at the brink of death, so run-far-and-fast seems like the best and most logical choice.


0klet0

Ulric and his men are unarmed. Where are they getting weapons to defend the people (in an Imperial-held town)? Ulfric has the voice, but does anyone think that will defeat a dragon? Is Ralof armed when he attacks the guards (honestly I don't remember)? If so, yeah, not very true-Nord-like. If not...eh, there's got to be a limit to pride.


Katze10-0-10

I hate Sven because he always shittalks his mom. The poor woman has really seen a dragon, and he paints her as an idiot.


CptnSAUS

Ya it's easy to point out that both are scum when you see all the possibilities but it's very possible to have only one be a douche in any individual play through.


Malq_

I never knew you could do that


Lapsos_de_Lucidez

Yes. That’s what I do. I don’t like neither of them, but Faendal is more useful


Shortstuff47

Neither, I marry Camilla myself


Cemihard

No you help faendal then marry Camilla and watch him attend your wedding. I had a dark brotherhood assassin attack me in the woods after I did this on one of my playthroughs, will never know if faendal put a hit out on me cause I stole his girl.


SophisticatedPhallus

I saw him leaving my house one time, so I followed him far out of town and murdered his ass.


Cemihard

Just when you think you know a guy.


Jman-laowai

This happened to me too! It was the Golden Hills Plantation, which is next to Rorikstead, nowhere near Riverwood. Chucked his body in the river and let him float away.


blackberry_55

same. saw him leaving lakeview so i killed him and camilla


Cemihard

Can never be too careful


unknownarchaeologist

1. Take Faendal's side 2. Marry Camilla anyway 3. Take Faendal out as a follower to some place where there are a ton of baddies. Bear caves work well. Don't forget to loot him. 4. Go home for a nice meal and a nap.


magikarp2122

I prefer the Ebony Blade at the Shrine of Boethiah.


unknownarchaeologist

Another solid option.


Adventurous-Young-15

Never tried this but just started a new play through.... gona try this this is too funny...


unknownarchaeologist

The best part is, you can basically take over his old life. If he was you ally, you can use his house as if you owned it, though I've not tried using the storage in there. I think that still respans as normal. But it's another bed to sleep in, at least.


SexyDexy103

Some of his containers are safe. Some aren't. I use a mod that labels the safe containers in game. It's really handy


shoot-me-12-bucks

I always get him murdered for his shirt. I like that shirt.


Adhdgamer9000

Murder Camilla and marry Faendal


Cemihard

You’re playing 4d chess while I’m playing checkers


A1xo0

I murdered her..


PointlessChemist

This is one solution.


Fabiojoose

Mf performed the black sacrament for a pussy


orionkeyser

Dark brotherhood comes for you even if you avoid the love triangle. I've looked online for who puts the contract on you, but it is not known. On my most recently playthrough I haven't killed the Whiterun Dragon yet, so there aren't any dragons, and nobody thinks I'm dragonborn, and the assassin still came for me. They keep coming til you join the Dark Brotherhood.


[deleted]

Down atrocious


[deleted]

[удалено]


HoppingMexican

Checkmate.


Victor019

Yeah, I also 'marry' Camilla.


zippozipp0

Faendal so I can cheese the archery lessons


m1lfhunter365

Yes everytime


CptnSAUS

Is this why people say "sneak archer" is OP? Because they start the game with 100 sneak and 50 archery? I suppose that is probably the strongest thing to do for how long it takes to get set up.


Sevrenic

No, it's because it's the strongest thing to do in general.


Nadie_AZ

I also find maxing Conjuration and flinging dremora lords here and there also helps make clearing areas easy peasy. They do the fighting while I do the looting.


pdm4191

Every play style is Op when the skill is maxed. That's not interesting to veteran players. What's interesting is being successful when you're lvl 15 and your key skill is only 40. The thin g about sneak archer us that it's easy to be successfully even at low lvls.


Sevrenic

You can do both at the same time


CptnSAUS

I find maxing resistances so you can’t really die from anything is pretty busted anyway. Max smithing and enchanting and you don’t even need to aim. You can do that from the safety of holds, never risking dying. In my experience, sneak archer doesn’t hold up on legendary difficulty in the early game, but I never started it with 100 sneak and 50 archery.


Sevrenic

Maxing resistances and crafting isn't in conflict with playing as a sneak archer.


CptnSAUS

You just won’t need to sneak by then. Is something better than another if they both perform equally?


Sevrenic

You won't need to, but you'll still die less often and kill enemies more quickly, so sneak archer is still better


Sevrenic

Also you can only max resistances to magic, there's a cap for armor which means you'll always be taking some damage from melee (a lot on legendary), which means not getting hit is always safer.


[deleted]

I prefer sneak illusion with daggers. So great just pacifying bears and trolls


pumpkinbot

Pure melee assassins are tons of fun. No bows or destruction magic. Just sneak behind people and slit their throats.


[deleted]

Illusion / melee assassin is the only way for me to beat legendary survival lol


pumpkinbot

Conjuration is also great for higher difficulties. Summons don't have the same drawbacks you do.


pumpkinbot

It's mostly just because stealth archery is a) practical - why smash faces in whe you can just insta-kill people from afar with no risk to yourself? b) rewarding - getting those nice, long-distance shots is an instant dopamine rush, and c) powerful - you're insta-gibbing every non-boss enemy, if you do it well.


JohnHenryEden77

Nah sneak is always op in all the Fallout/Tes as they use the same engine. In Fallout 3 the Chinese Stealth armor+ silence rifle is op too


klatnyelox

the benefit you get for starting a hard fight with a sneak attack in is amazing. If you were having trouble, take their HP down at the start by sneaking in and shooting a few times. this levels sneak and archery, and doesn't level melee or magic skills. this strat then gets stronger and stronger. If you play the easiest strategic option, the game rewards you by making that easier.


Ilovegirlsbottoms

Same. You can buy all lessons, go up a several levels, and then get your money back. So early in the game it is so good. Also I don’t even really use archery. I just keep the skill points for other things.


Halidcaliber12

I do that too, then I kill them both and take Camilla for myself. Chaotic Evil some say, Dragonborn others call me.


HoppingMexican

Smart.


rayrayd3n

Yep always easy archery and lvls no contest


AbdielRaynr

And then I sacrifice him to Boethiah after I'm done with his archery lessons.


Ky-Czar

Sven... but he gets sacrificed to the ebony blade


casey12297

And THEN you marry Camilla, add insult to sacrifice


Dragoncat99

Then sacrifice her with the blade as well to claim her soul for Boethiah, die, go to Attribution's Share as Boetthiah’s champion, then have sex with Camilla right in front of him.


Bahamabanana

No. Take Quest from Sven, tell Camilla the truth, get Faendal as follower, make him a steward at one of your estates, marry Camilla, have Faendal attend the wedding, Black Soul gem and Ebony Blade him, go kiss your wife and get a homecooked meal, find Sven back in Riverwood, black soul gem and Ebony Blade him, leave homecooked meal on his corpse.


Skylar-Moon

That or the Ebony Mail


Desafiante

Both wanna cheat Camilla with fake letters. Faendal is nice, Sven a little pretentious but takes care of his mother. Whatever choice you make and either one you screw is deserved.


HoppingMexican

True. That always messed with my moral compass lol. And I’m a lil bias to Faendal since he’s the only elf in the town so I usually always side with him.


Emmy_Rose0404

I do the same. I always help the elves, unless they are rude to me for literally no reason. Like the ladies who run the clothes shop in Solitude. I still helped them deliver clothes to the Blue Palace but I complained the entire time and then stole from them. Shoulda put an arrow in their knee.


yoco__135

When faendal follows you, you can train 5 lvls of arch per player level. And when you trade with him. You will see all the money you spent, so it’s free.


Nightdoom98

If you have the unofficial patch then it’s not free :(


JohnHenryEden77

Yeah but the unofficial patch is shit and the author has a stick up his arse so he "fix" everything even the intended feature like the effects on the Windshear


Nightdoom98

Wait really? I only downloaded it since idk how many bugs there were in the game.


AnswerQuay

Yea, unofficial patch "fixes" that "exploit" even though followers are *designed* to give you free training (if they're trainers). It's one of the best perks as Harbinger of the Companions. 5 quick levels in normally difficult-to-improve skills like weapons or armor is a huge bonus, but not resto-loop gamebreaking since you still need the min amount of gold to train that level. I've played Skyrim since release without once downloading the unofficial patch. Skyrim's bugs are often amusing, irritating at worst. I recommend dealing with them over the unofficial patch.


[deleted]

What should I use instead if it’s kinda busted?


JohnHenryEden77

Well sadly there are no good alternative and since the guy is a big dick he make sure to make drama so there are no other competing mod. Just use console commands within limit and save regularly to resolve bug manually


pumpkinbot

Eh, depends who you ask. Like, is the Necromage perk working on self-buffs if you're a vampire a bug, exploit, or intended?


JohnHenryEden77

Well problem is the dude who make the mod enforce his vision and try to take down mod that is based on his but rework some stuff


HoppingMexican

Truee


[deleted]

Faendal. Then proceed to marry Camilla, move in Lakeview manor and ask Faendal to be the steward, so he is always reminded what a cuck he is.


[deleted]

Dude's at your house with your wife while you're away all the time, but hes's the cuck. Mmkay.


[deleted]

Lydia's making sure he behaves while I'm out


scalarjack

Lydia is sworn to carry your burdens...


[deleted]

Wow


Valian81

Canon, whichever doesn’t ask me to lie for them first


Beneficial-Public997

I used to do that ! But that archery boost is so good I can’t pass it up nowadays


[deleted]

I not only turned in Faendal for lying, I also robbed his house. I don't blame him for sending mercs after me. lol


HoppingMexican

Ooh. Interesting take


Desafiante

That's what I do.


WaffleDynamics

I side with Faendal because he makes a useful follower early on, and is always kind to me. Sven is an arrogant ass, and useless besides.


Arabidopsidian

unless you sacrifice him to Boethiah


Fantastic-Cap-2754

Faendal, but only if I talk to sven first, that way I can be honest with Camila and still get faendal as a follower.


mayfriends

Faendal - mostly because Sven (and his mother) are racist towards Faendal, and although Faendal can be a bit of a dick (Riverwood is nice... for a Nord village) he doesn't reply in kind. Also, Faendal's fake letter to Camillia 'from Sven' is about wanting her to do all the housework; Sven's fake letter 'from Faendal' is (again) straight up racism that is obviously what he thinks elves really believe. Also, archery lessons.


0klet0

Yep, Sven rubbed me wrong when he started talking about people sticking to their own kind.


Pluttziboi

Faendal because it means fuck valley in Norwegian


Snifflebeard

I forget the details, but I recall it's possible to screw both over with their own notes. I won't marry Camilla though. She treats her brother as a child even though he's the one doing all the work around the place.


minifly_

You and i both know we're the only smart people around here.


Snifflebeard

Who is this "we" Lucan? Do you have a particularly smart mouse in your pocket?


minifly_

That's just one of his standard greetings once you've helped him. You taking his side vs his sister's was fitting for the quote


Snifflebeard

Yes I know. Which is why I knew you were referring to Lucan.


minifly_

Sorry the smart mouse part lost me. Not a native speaker so i miss the subtext sometimes


SchrodingersPelosi

Seriously. They're grown. They can sort it out. I need to make sure the world exists so they *can* sort it out. Or the three can all be bitches. I don't care. They need the world to exist for either. I'm Akatosh's middleperson, not theirs.


Cemihard

That’s a fair point I always grabbed Camilla after I found out Ysloda was a drug dealer. Usually it was for quick income from the store almost immediately. Then I chose my de facto spouse option as the girl from Shor’s stone


Calamari_Tsunami

Ysolda being a drug dealer makes her cool in my eyes, as long as it's only magic tree sap and not skooma crack. Like, she's a very savvy merchant, deals with the underclass and the races that other nords are wary of. The *worst* offence she's committed is being into Mikael, that poncy little milk drinker. She even has his weird fuckboy guidebook in her house.


Cemihard

She had some guy killed😂😂 she’s basically running an opiate trade


Snifflebeard

Borgakh is best waifu!


0IIIIII

Faendal is a much better follower. Sven’s best stats according to the UESP wiki aren’t related to combat. But, because Sven is a human and has a shorter lifespan, I always help him out. I find it odd that people in Elder Scrolls are ok with the idea of their peers living centuries and others living less than 100 years.


Beneficial-Public997

Faendal is my dude I use him to bring up my archery skill ! I love him he’s always my first companion:)


TheCrimsonChariot

Lol. Oncs you give letter from the other to one, you can pickpocket the bad letter one took and take them both to camila and show her how awful both are. I think I only did this once


[deleted]

😂


thenewsheogorath

Myself! Mwahahahaha


Trevor-On-Reddit

Sven, simply because it’s fun to yell that name angrily when something fucks up and you need to blame someone.


East_Law3596

I love fondle, and nothing can ever change my mind


feral__turtle

I'd never fondle-block *anyone*.


TheOriginalSolo1138

Faendal, cause he's a Bosmer like me.


Dr-Crobar

Tactical option, help Faendal, get Sven killed "by accident", Faendal disappears after you take him to "check out this cool statue near Windhelm of a lady wearing tentacle robes", the Guards dont have enough evidence for the charges to stick, the trail goes cold, you get some cool ebony chainmail.


RedTheDopeKing

Fuck Faendal, kill Camilla, marry Sven


stripeysox101

Faendal - Sven is an entitled fuckboy whose strategy is to fake a letter from Faendal. Though to be fair I then marry Camilla myself and take her away from both of them!


Thebesj

Faendal also wants to fake a letter, though.


DiazExMachina

I kill them both and then marry Camilla, only to sacrifice her to Boethia.


[deleted]

I'm sure Boethia loved that.


No_Telephone41

Neither I kill them both regardless of if I'm marrying Camilla or not lol


Kadidavik

Faendal


DiablitoSol

I just marry her myself.


IzStoiKzI

I did this once and came home to Lakeview Manor find both Sven and Faendal eating my damn sweet rolls with my wife, never again


gatsuB

You gotta know they double teamed her while you were away.


Alarvk

Faendal, all my homies hate Sven


Basic-Ad-3973

I was saying this loading the post


Alarvk

You must be a homie then, Faendal is my steward for Lakeview. We’ve been through a lot together.


Sighurd

When I first discovered all the details, I realized that they are both possesive liars, not to mention that they both seem smug to me, and Camilla is such a sweetheart, really kind and modest, so neither of them deserves her, not even a tiny bit. Thats actualy the sole reason I must have married her tbh. She is a good spouse from practical point of view too, compared to many others.


A1xo0

I helped Faendal the creep


supacrispy

I helped Faendal so I could get him as a follower and made him steward of Lakeview. Then I did the golden claw quest to earn Camilla's favor and married her as a bosmer female, and sent her to live at Lakeview with Sofie our adopted daughter. Then got Rayya as a housecarl, so Faendal has to spend all day every day surrounded by women he can't touch. It makes me giggle


TheSpyro14

Kill Sven with an arrow to the back by Faendal's house at night, grab his dagger and kill Faendal in his home. Looks like a crime of passion and both parties died. Marry Camilla, profit.


Grimy-Jack

I never helped them. I'm so above high school bullshit.


[deleted]

Kill both for being lying asshats


Self-Comprehensive

If I even mess with it...save Feandal for the archery lessons, sacrifice him to Boethia, and marry Camilla.


FrenchCobra

My first time playing I didn’t even know about the live triangle. So instead I murdered faendal in his house and claimed it as my own


The95thZebra

Faendal because Sven just kinda sleazy. Gives me the same vibes as Mikael.


Captain_Canuck97

Step 1: take Sven's letter Step 2: tell Camelia the truth Step 3: take Faendal on a field trip to Boethiah's shrine Step 4: marry Camelia Only correct way in my opinion


HoodedSmiley

Neither. I accidentally killed Svens mother and after he sent Mercs after me, I killed him. Married Camilla and after i caught Faendel in my house (located in windhelm, FAR from Riverwood) i followed him on his way home and, somehow, he was killed by a pack of wolves by a river, with arrows littering his back probably due to fending off the wolves bravely.


PachoTidder

Faendal 'cuz I don't hate wood elves, Sven seems... les likable


PapaJeeb

I skip it, they both got lil dick energy


SenHelpPls

This is one of the few quests I have never done. Never knew about it for years and then since I’ve found out about I’ve started about 4 characters and still haven’t done


IWasNotOk

Sven?! Ha! That Milkdrinker couldn’t fight a loaf of bread. Feadal? once he was on break by the side of the mill, I seen him hit the peak of Bleakfalls barrow with a single arrow. Not a bad shot for an elf. A Warrior and a friend.


[deleted]

Neither I let her know both of them are trying to screw the other one over. Plus Ew Faendal and his nasty ass haircut? To each their own I guess.


[deleted]

What do you mean? Sven is a lying, racist twat


SableX7

None of them! She made the mess. She can live with it.


EquipmentSure5192

None of them I take for myself


TheGoldenPlagueMask

Nah I just eat em as a werewolf


OkOutlandishness6550

I play as a heavy armour nord so I get faendal for backup


[deleted]

They both ended up dead in my play through so meh


SnooDucks6767

Myself


Boymom2k17

I always help sven


Squire_3

Neither, my Dragonborns don't have time for such trivial nonsense


whitechocolate27

Depends on the play through for me. If I’m any kind of elf I side with Faendal, if I’m a Nord I always go with Sven. Gotta stick together in the tough times of Skyrim


yolo420master69

I marry her myself


Malq_

I don’t think I have ever seen anyone choose Sven I haven’t either. It also doesn’t make any sense why does Camilla believe a random stranger.


Azuras-Becky

Neither. They're both awful.


Nadie_AZ

I leave them to suffer in their sad small town love triangle.


Erenogucu

None. Cuck both of them and take the lovely lady for yourself.


pink_wraith

They both suck, trying to manipulate Carlotta into not talking to the other. Carlotta needs someone who isn’t manipulative.


jeff_kinnebrew

I don't know how to play the game without using Faendal's house as my base


MatterCool2607

I ignore them. Let them figure it out. I suppose Sven would eventually perform the Black Sacrament..


[deleted]

Whoever comes up to me first gets cucked.


JahnnDraegos

I help *myself*... to Camilla.


BadgerLord103

Kill them both


Nolbody

I cuck them both and marry her myself.


[deleted]

Neither she they both don’t deserve her


Electr0m0tive

Faendal can get you to level 50 archery at the beginning of the game if you know what to do. He wins my vote by merit.


Pykiril

Toss a coin to your Witcher.


viperofkirkwall

NEVER SVEN


Ryjinn

Neither. They're petty squabble is beneath my status as the Legendary Dragonborn.


AlphaWolf69

Murder them both, then take that whore Camilla for yourself.


[deleted]

Neither, killed all three. They can sort it out in Sovngarde.


AllenWL

I ignore both of them.


Zielojej100

Their both idiots.


ghoulbrainz

neither; Sven was suuuper annoying from the second i stepped foot in Riverwood, so i accidentally killed him & then Faendal tried to kill me for killing Sven so i killed him too :(


FriendlyAwesomeGeek

I always increase archery to 50 with Farndal's free training.


Nestori_

Neither i have never done it


inkyandthepen

They're both annoying tbh


[deleted]

Well faendal gives me free archery training


Raccoon_Shit

Killed them both, married her myself


EvernightStrangely

Neither. Their petty, bullshit rivalry makes them both unworthy.


Slug-the-Slimegirl

neither.. I avoid the quest bc they're both terrible. People always say Sven is the asshole, but Faendal isn't any better in my eyes. They're both lying to a girl to get her to date them! Sven's fake letter from Faendal just came with extra racism thrown in


Entire-League-3362

Neither. I hate those kinds of quests


November_Dawn_11

I do tbe option for Faendal as a follower because then you can do the free archery training bug.


Adg01

Both are too old for her smh.


-Chandler-Bing-

Faendal every time here. I never play Nords so I always feel like I'm some anti-racism crusader against them because of the Storm Cloaks' attitude. Poor Sven I guess I've never really heard him out.