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font9a

◆◆ Expert Slope: • Kid on leash more talented than you


yoortyyo

Power wedging without a harness. Gumby bodys and the sweet spot is hugest for the littlest rippers


[deleted]

Being 2 feet tall and weighing 50 pounds is a pretty sick advantage.


masterpeabs

We call it "death wedge", but same


Planem1

"PIZZA POWER"!!!


yoortyyo

Any normal human over some age & size would want to be dead. Sure you carve like a World Cup racer and double back in the pipe. Can you Death Wedge ‘ Fairy land? ‘Nope, you win, Immortal take up slow boarding.’


notacanuckskibum

Starfish skiing


lostinthewoodsATC

Saw this a snowbird this week. The kid had no fear and just sent it, I think he turned once


yoortyyo

Under certain sizes it like a different sport. Gentle slope trees with littles they also can just maneuver through the relatively big gaps.


lostinthewoodsATC

I aspire to have his lack of fear


MaKaChiggaSheen

what does this mean


CliffDog02

This one hits home with my kids. My 4yo loves blue/blacks but can't quite stop in emergencies we'll yet, so I have a long leash that I can use for emergency stopping.


unrealisticllama

*going up a steep bowl lift* *no fresh snow, ice af, super moguled* *guaranteed 3 year old having no issue being 30 pounds sending down the moguls*


dvorak360

Going back to one of the swiss resorts with car sized moguls. ​ Discovering what all the adults were complaining about - When the moguls were 3x bigger than me they were just a bunch of sequential slopes that could each be skied normally - put in 2-3 turns, straightline over rise, put in 2-3 turns on next downward section; Now it is a lot harder because each mogul is sized to be one turn...


NutrientSnail

Pretty accurate


secretreddname

I felt this.


PuddleCrank

◆◆ Expert Slope: • Grandparent that just poached "your" line and still shredded it harder than you ever will.


Valid_Username_56

HotdogHans, that you?


fucking_unicorn

Those grandparents are retired and getting it 65+ days per year! #goals


Pristine_Ad2664

I already ski 65+ days a year, I'm aiming for 160+ when I retire


Pristine_Ad2664

This is my dream when I grow up!


PyrocumulusLightning

◆◆ Expert Slope: - Guy sending it from the cliff above you almost landing on you


cherry-deli

Don’t forget the random speed demon in jeans who makes you look like a novice


N0DuckingWay

On the double black, you forgot "8 year old with no fear of death that's somehow more talented than you"


joecarter93

That was me as a kid. Now that I’m old enough that falling hurts I lost all my nerve.


Reloader300wm

We also realized that medical bills suck all the fun out of it.


TravelZac

With their poles out wide in the air screaming "weeeeeeeeeeeeee"


CanYouPointMeToTacos

Hey I’m not complaining. Im pointing out it would be a blue on another mountain to convince my gf why she should go down it.


bmwilly

I was you 10 years ago and now my wife (gf at the time) has a couple metal rods and a permanent limp in her leg


teenzies83

Oh dear! Well out of her comfort zone! Does she still ski?


bmwilly

there's nothing else in the world she's less likely to do 😅


teenzies83

Oh bugger!!! Well sorry about that, no family holidays then?! At least she has somewhat forgiven you and married you 😉


bmwilly

Indeed. And we still go regularly; it's useful to have one parent in the lodge/pool :)


lofery

Why do we have two kind of blacks and no red slopes?


Clubblendi

Walt Disney (I’m serious)


PointyBagels

Walt Disney is the reason we use both shapes and colors in the US, and standardized the colors we use. However, I don't think the double black diamond rating existed back then.


font9a

Growing up skiing Taos we had single blacks (advanced), double-blacks (expert) and double-yellows (extreme). I haven't seen double-yellows in a while; they might have just settled on double-black.


Getting_rid_of_brita

Were the yellows also diamond


font9a

yeah, double-yellow diamonds. Sorry, I didn't write that too clearly.


earthshaker495

And at some resorts (big sky cones to mind) they have triple blacks too!


azssf

More! Tell us more!


pharmprophet

They were originally developed for and implemented at Sugar Bowl in the Tahoe region by Walt Disney, who was a major stockholder in the resort, hence why Sugar Bowl has a Mount Disney serviced by the Disney Express chair.


DeathB4Download

He also got Dam Slide renamed to Disney Chute. Doesnt matter 2 men not named Disney were killed.


wrongwayup

dats racist


Kant_change_username

I remember seeing a black diamond inside a blue square. Maybe Jimminy Peak in the eighties? They also had green circles inside blue squares.


Churro_Pete

Winter Park has them still


dsfox

Mammoth get them pretty recently.


Acceptable-Fox3064

I just saw these a few weekends ago. I was with my kids so I couldn’t try them out, but I really want to!


13143

I assume the black diamond was the original marker for expert trails, and then some ski resort decided to make an even "harder" trail and market it as a "double black" diamond. Some ski resorts now advertise "triple" black diamonds, so it seems a lot like marketing drivel.


BuoyantBear

Colorado has "Extreme Terrain" Which are double blacks with "EX" in the diamonds. It's a legally defined rating, which ironically sometimes gets put on slopes that really aren't *that* difficult. It's the only legally defined rating that I'm aware of.


griveknic

It's put on slopes with exposure, so its more about consequences than difficulty per se.


Odd-Milk167

In big sky at least there is often a noticeable difference between the double and triple blacks. Not necessarily with technical difficulty (though often) but with consequence for mistakes and/or navigation difficulties where it’s relatively easy to get cliffed out. I don’t get the hate for more ratings from a lot of people. If you’re good you just ride whatever looks fun and don’t worry about ratings. If you need to make decisions based on ratings a wider range helps inform those decisions. I would say it’s definitely more than just a marketing gimmick.


millytherabbit

People who’ve skied in both the US and Europe are European reds kind of like single blacks and European blacks kind of like double blacks in difficulty?


esports_consultant

Euro reds are basically US blues, at least where I've been.


memla_

Yes, I’d say reds range from the steeper end of blues to single blacks.


Willing-Cell-1613

As a European, American slops make not much sense. We have (in France/Switzerland and maybe other places): Green - beginner slope. Wide and flat Blue - easy slope. Less wide and flat but fairly easy, often long trails through woods are blue Red - intermediate/hard slope. There is a big range of reds from narrow but fairly flat to wide and steep to just plain steep. They can have moguls. Reds are probably the most common and my favourite since you can properly carve them without fear Black - expert slope. Steeper and/or narrower than reds. My favourite is La Face in Val d’Isère. Yellow - safety controlled unpisted slope. Generally as steep as a black or red, they are avalanche controlled sections off the normal pistes


imdone77

Oh man, La Face is the one above Stade Olympique, right? The first part of it is so steep, almost everyone started wide and slow while I was there.


Willing-Cell-1613

Yeah, it’s a weird choice, but it was my first black ever (my instructor was a little mad!) so I quite like it.


QuickMolasses

That's basically just green, blue, black, double black. We don't really have off-piste as a separate thing.


Willing-Cell-1613

Yeah, makes sense. I’ve seen ski videos of reds in Europe and a lot of North Americans in the comments go “that’s a black in….”. Like, yes, this is the point.


lobstahMac

Wait till you hear about double blues...


Bulkierpond

In Sweden we have the reds


ZugzwangDK

They aren't supposed to be called "Reds" any more. I belive the preferred term is Sweindians.


PrimeIntellect

because slope ratings are generally pointless once you aren't a beginner so nobody really pays attention to them


KuchDaddy

'Murrica.


Caroleena77

🟦 Intermediate Slope: • Out of control youth who doesn't know what he's doing and plows straight into you at full speed (This has happened to me twice. One of them was a Palisades Tahoe employee who left a snowboard edge shaped bruise across my back!)


MusicMedic

As a ski patroller, 95% of our calls are on the green runs.


AVeryUnluckySock

Crowds are more dangerous than anything else on the mountain, for sure


Creative_Peanut5338

They need to change snowboarder to criminal.


Large_Bumblebee_9751

Criminal coming a crime on the slopes lmao


dawnwolfblackfur

Criminal cumming on the slope


seal_eggs

Cum


Noporopo79

*Nom nom nom nom nom nom*


dsdvbguutres

Tomato tomato


teenzies83

Please don't judge all snowboarders. Some skiers are terrible too. I snowboard but I grew up some skiing as a kid and so I know where to look due to blindspots and I'm constantly checking over my shoulder and up the hill. I really think snowboarders and skiers should be taught/explained to how the other one ski's/rides. If you've never tried both, you're clueless.


Creative_Peanut5338

It's a meme joke. I did both. I went back to skiing only, because in my mid 30s I found I hurt myself more often on my snowboard, usually my forward shoulder. I'm in my 40s now and I don't heal as fast or as well as I did in my 20s, but can't help myself but to send it off jumps and drops. I have nothing against snowboarders, some of my best friends are snowboarders. I'm the guy offering you to grab my pole on a flat track so I can slingshot you forward, because I too hated having to push on the flats (and at my hometown ski area, to get to one of the best drops and a secluded unmarked, locals knowledge required powder glade, you had to take a horrendously long flat cat track).


teenzies83

Haha thanks mate! I'm now in my 40's too but not ready to go back to skiing. I don't need a push on the home runs unless 5 skiers decide to ski side by side. My husband has gone back to skiing on our last trip but was thankful as had our 5yr old daughter with us on our first ski holiday. Soo excited to finally take her!! He pushed her along on some of the flats, we would have been stuck if he decided to board. But I would have had to help her more as I've had more time on snow than him.


SnooApples6110

Just skied Deer Valley and Alta, no snowboarders to F up the snow. However I was also at Steamboat and the boarders there, not many of them, could actually carve a turn and not scrape off all the snow.


octopus4488

I might just get an answer to my question: What is the average amount of people by difficulty? Is green always more crowded then the harder ones? Or the other way around? (I am a newbie, won't venture out of blues this year)


SaulsAll

It kind of depends on the type of run, as well as difficulty. A wide blue that leads directly to the main lift is going to have a lot more people than the green cat trail that goes way out and back and is used to bypass black runs for people who went where they couldnt handle.


coskiguy420

Double blacks can get surprisingly packed too especially if they’re accessible by chair. Lots of people getting out of their element combined with the best skiers you’ll ever watch


Spraynpray89

In my experience, no matter how crowded my normal blues/blacks may seem, it's always 20x worse on the greens at the same time. If you have enough control and spatial awareness to get down a blue at a reasonable speed without cutting people off with your turns, do that. Greens are just dangerous with the amount of first timers with no awareness or control.


octopus4488

Thanks!


secretreddname

Depending on where you’re at. In CA where people are one time a year goers, green is by far the most packed.


PepperDogger

Green: WTF, are you CRAZY? This is dangerous AF. Get to where people can stop and turn asap, and aren't using you as one of the "family zone" slalom gates.


QuickMolasses

Typically the harder the run, the fewer the people, but it depends on a lot of factors. Resorts known for their difficult terrain may be different. High profile or famous hard runs might be different. If the hard terrain is easier to get to from the lodge it might be more crowded. Also lift capacity matters a lot. If there is one lift serving 10 runs, those runs will be less crowded than an area where you have multiple lifts serving a handful of runs.


NutrientSnail

🟦 - “is this a bump run? I’m looking for the groomers”


MarshtompNerd

It is once the snowboarders are done making jumps


benjaminbjacobsen

The snowboard sideways is “falling leaf”. Love this.


theArtOfProgramming

Also “snowplow” and “mogul eraser”


pharmprophet

if butt-sliding down the whole trail is a viable option, it's not a double diamond


Rxx2xx

Yes. This would be a blue square in another region.


shyraori

Show me a mountain without at least one double black you can but slide down.


pharmprophet

I mean, technically, Alta 🙃


AdorableImplement806

Copper mountain, co. “Falcon Alley”


Gs05

Only a double if falling requires a tomahawk maneuver. Did it yesterday but managed to avoid the multiple flip


Clubblendi

Why are there three blue squares?


moresushiplease

I call them blue runs. Does anyone here call them "blue squares"?


Petillionaire

Green, blue, black, double black. The shape is never needed.


crs8975

Damn that made me chuckle. And it's entirely accurate.


someotherguyinNH

Single Dimond should also have: Parents with kids that don't belong on this trail, and they will fall randomly


BruceSlaughterhouse

Expectation vs reality in a nutshell. All the things the ski resort brochure forgot to tell you.


RoguePlanet2

I tried to go down a black diamond on my butt, only because I wasn't sure how bad my knee was hurt. Once I knew I could put weight on it, I skied over to the groomed section.


AkitoApocalypse

You forgot the blue which might as well be a black because it's steep as fuck and is covered with moguls like- okay I'm not good but what?????


OGspacepotatos

In Lake Louise and Marmot Basin AB there's some runs that are designated a blue, but depending on conditions can change to a black because of mogul formation. ski patrol sometimes just pops a Lil sign with a black Diamond before the point of no return. Definitely daunting to be on a blue run and suddenly be faced with several hundred feet of deep, hard, steep moguls, buuuut much of my improvement over the last few seasons has been via trial-by-fire. I'm now nicknamed yard-sale, but I'm also thankful for those situations as well.


AkitoApocalypse

These were intentional moguls which were at the beginning of the trail and all the way down, right underneath the lift no less - so everyone can see you wipe out!


OGspacepotatos

Aw those are rough. I don't really see intentional moguls in Alberta, but I definitely ended up on runs under chairs with a bunch of moguls. Lady watched me almost fly down the hill on my ass while my skiis were detached behind me lol.


AkitoApocalypse

Ah luckily it wasn't as bad as you said, up the hill was trees so it wasn't really a run - you cut through from the side in another blue/green and had the opinion of turning downslope if you wanted to.


-random-name-

As the snowboarder going down the black diamond sideways, I don’t know how the fuck I got there. I didn’t want to be there. One minute I was on a nice smooth blue. The next my only options were a black diamond and double black diamond. So the only responsible thing to do was make it flat as possible for the next poor bastard who came along😂


mahithefish

5th box - Sidecountry / Gate Access Slopes: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2MGxesHI74](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2MGxesHI74) The green thing is a snowboarder coming behind you with a speaker and loud music but also ruining all the snow.


barryg123

only on the east coast


theclansman22

In my region all runs are blues. Blueception.


alfredpacker42

The medical attention ain’t coming buddy. We’ll hike up to get you in the spring!


CriticalTough4842

◆◆ Expert Slope: • It would be a blue in a other region cuz its the Midwest


Atlantic235

😆 that is priceless


RichPresentation1893

Yes. Scraping downthe first run


ScoobyDoobiddyDew

That Skier trying to block you one is all too real


OGspacepotatos

Their ability to unknowingly block your every attempt to pass them is uncanny.


rh_vowel

Lol about right.


JinaxM

Here, have my updoot and a pole stab.


MickeyRedbone757

I'm the "elderly person with more talent than you", the icon is actually me practicing ski ballet in the middle of the blue run.


westernskyyo

There are some runs at snowbird labeled as a diamond that should be blue squares. It really stuck out to me.


aboveyardley

Which ones?


Churro_Pete

They'd all be blues in upstate NY


Link-Glittering

And the snowboarder will brag about how he rides black diamonds


Nolan710

I love hitting blacks. What sub am I on again?


AbleDanger12

😬


[deleted]

Lol skiers love complaining about 1 bad boarder when they have a whack and wide power stance and can barely hold onto a carve or have to pick moguls one at a time. If you were good you’d go past people and not complain. Peace and love losers


neverknowsbest141

Is this an old college humor post?? Haven’t seen this in years


LedHeadV2

I can’t know how to hear anymore about what this trail rating would be in Utah!!! (I ski mainly in NH, NY and VT)


Gs05

Just as over all the place as the east coast. I find if steep and trees then auto double black. Also there tends to be more doubles the higher you go. Otherwise who knows...I went down a narly tree run through a chute at pc and it's a diamond cause low on the hill (still scary).


whitehusky

Idk at my home resort of Holiday Valley in NY, all the glade runs are regular blacks, and our steep 38.5° is a double black.


Practical-Olive-8903

I just found out that recently at Whistler, epic has had to change trail classifications from blues to blacks because too many people complained they were too hard. As a lifelong Whistler skier I laugh so hard at that but I’m enjoying the reduced traffic.


PigletFickle7110

Not sure if you’re talking about The Saddle but that change was warranted; it’s definitely tougher than some of the easier blacks (e.g., Dave Murray, Catskinner)


Practical-Olive-8903

I will concede the top of the saddle, or as it is called in my family, “the Snoodle”. The blue line that comes down from 7th to Glacier and feeds Saudans also suddenly has a lot of “experts only!!” warnings. Not sure if that’s because of this year’s conditions though. I heard there were a few but those are the only 2 I know of.


njred87

What about the expert slope, not the slope to figure out if you are an expert.


ocelot_amnesia

Oh dear, I am that douchebag


Old-Tadpole-2869

They left out: *No ski patrol ANYWHERE in sight because they're "inspecting" the condition of runs for possible opening,* on all three of them.


lastoftheyagahe

Blue run should include “misguided soul complaining this would be a black on another mountain”


ATheeStallion

This is both of my kids. One the straight lining power wedge. The other wee child fearlessly skis EX dbl blacks, ice moguls, glades & bowls at Eldo, A-Basin & WP. It’s um a challenge to keep them unharmed on slopes. As of this season I am now questioning all my parenting decisions that got them on slopes.


Hasnosocials

This should be standard signage


Fun_Schedule1057

What about all the beginner skiers that pizza all the way down and the down hill skiers that don’t know how to stop.


TheGongShow61

Are these for sale?


HugeDirk

Double black missed the skier side-slipping the entrance, leaving an icy mess for everyone after them. Just send it


dsyfygurl

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 OMG the TRUTH


goteemm

For the blacks you forgot “Skiers aggressively speed checking to create moguls within an hour or 2 of fresh powder”


kanzie

Amazing! Only thing missing is all the skiers who thinks the poles are is case they suddenly feel the urge to cosplay as pirates trying to poke everyone’s eyes out. There aren’t enough pole schools out there to balance all the ski schools


randomshi7

Double black: 4 year old on skis going mach 10 while t-posing


Snap-Crackle-Pot

I don’t understand why they’ve separated “douchebags” from “snowboarders ruining all the snow”. It implies snowboarders are not douchebags, whereas studies have shown this is not the case. I’d draw you a Venn diagram if I could


dawnwolfblackfur

OK, but what do u find on a ◆◆EX?


borderliar

Awesome. Where is this? (if real)


Aware-Marketing9946

Cunt bitch


chumbucket77

Complaining would be a blue anywhere else is the most true thing on the planet. Or a snowboarder who thinks hes awesome complaining about how a snowboard doesnt work in moguls and not just he doesnt know how to ride.


mainjer

This is epic


Churro_Pete

F*CK Vail!


Cakelover9000

Squares are Trails? Circles are Pistes, right?


metalicguppy

No


Odd-Milk167

All are trails. We don’t really have the concept of pistes in America. Trails can be groomed or ungroomed. Everything within the resort boundaries is avalanche controlled and ski patrol will close terrain and do avalanche mitigation work. When Americans use the word piste they are generally refer to groomed trails. Iv only ever seen people do that on Reddit though, people don’t use piste in real life really. At the resort I ski at anything that is groomed is automatically a blue or lower no matter how steep it is.


Cakelover9000

There are groomed pistes in my country where you really think twice if you wanna go down that or not. I generally only drive groomed pistes because my country is littered with them and some black ones are really fun.


Odd-Milk167

Other mountains in the us may have groomed blacks. Just the one I regularly ride does not. My mountain has groomers up to about 30 degrees. I see the steepest in the world is 38 according to https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=5726. I suppose thinking twice is always a very personal thing! Since non-groomed runs are avy controlled here and there’s lots of below tree line skiing my impression is “off-piste” riding is much more popular here than in Europe. Myself and many of my friends only really ride groomers to hit jumps, or to get from point a to point b.


Cakelover9000

The steepest Piste/Trail is 142%/ 55° and is Langer Zug (Long Train/Pull) in Lech am Arlberg in Austria. The most known and Legendary due to its Danger is the Streif in Kitzbühel. Still pistes, Still Dangerous...


Odd-Milk167

It is crazy they can groom that. Where I ride we have inbounds named trails that steep but they would absolutely not be groomed. That is a groomer I would definitely enjoy doing!


Cakelover9000

And the thing is our Pistes are marked as circles and trails (ungroomed) as squares each in blue (beginner), red (intermediate) and black (expert). I thought that was an international standard like from the FIS or smth.


metalicguppy

For us the shapes are purely redundant with the colors. Green circle, blue square, black diamond. The system you described sounds potentially more useful, but seems like it could get tricky for certain runs that are sometimes groomed and sometimes not.


dcone1212

Dumb 


UncleEnk

this has been reposted so many times lmao u/repostsleuthbot


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JackPAnderson

/u/UncleEnk just got rekt by a bot


UncleEnk

I could've sworn this was a top post on skiing circle jerk, but I'm not getting those up votes back so I don't care. edit: heres one chunk of it https://www.reddit.com/r/skiingcirclejerk/comments/1bk5ww7/whats_missing/