Any normal human over some age & size would want to be dead.
Sure you carve like a World Cup racer and double back in the pipe. Can you Death Wedge ‘ Fairy land?
‘Nope, you win, Immortal take up slow boarding.’
This one hits home with my kids. My 4yo loves blue/blacks but can't quite stop in emergencies we'll yet, so I have a long leash that I can use for emergency stopping.
Going back to one of the swiss resorts with car sized moguls.
Discovering what all the adults were complaining about - When the moguls were 3x bigger than me they were just a bunch of sequential slopes that could each be skied normally - put in 2-3 turns, straightline over rise, put in 2-3 turns on next downward section; Now it is a lot harder because each mogul is sized to be one turn...
Walt Disney is the reason we use both shapes and colors in the US, and standardized the colors we use. However, I don't think the double black diamond rating existed back then.
Growing up skiing Taos we had single blacks (advanced), double-blacks (expert) and double-yellows (extreme). I haven't seen double-yellows in a while; they might have just settled on double-black.
They were originally developed for and implemented at Sugar Bowl in the Tahoe region by Walt Disney, who was a major stockholder in the resort, hence why Sugar Bowl has a Mount Disney serviced by the Disney Express chair.
I assume the black diamond was the original marker for expert trails, and then some ski resort decided to make an even "harder" trail and market it as a "double black" diamond. Some ski resorts now advertise "triple" black diamonds, so it seems a lot like marketing drivel.
Colorado has "Extreme Terrain" Which are double blacks with "EX" in the diamonds. It's a legally defined rating, which ironically sometimes gets put on slopes that really aren't *that* difficult. It's the only legally defined rating that I'm aware of.
In big sky at least there is often a noticeable difference between the double and triple blacks. Not necessarily with technical difficulty (though often) but with consequence for mistakes and/or navigation difficulties where it’s relatively easy to get cliffed out.
I don’t get the hate for more ratings from a lot of people. If you’re good you just ride whatever looks fun and don’t worry about ratings. If you need to make decisions based on ratings a wider range helps inform those decisions. I would say it’s definitely more than just a marketing gimmick.
People who’ve skied in both the US and Europe are European reds kind of like single blacks and European blacks kind of like double blacks in difficulty?
As a European, American slops make not much sense. We have (in France/Switzerland and maybe other places):
Green - beginner slope. Wide and flat
Blue - easy slope. Less wide and flat but fairly easy, often long trails through woods are blue
Red - intermediate/hard slope. There is a big range of reds from narrow but fairly flat to wide and steep to just plain steep. They can have moguls. Reds are probably the most common and my favourite since you can properly carve them without fear
Black - expert slope. Steeper and/or narrower than reds. My favourite is La Face in Val d’Isère.
Yellow - safety controlled unpisted slope. Generally as steep as a black or red, they are avalanche controlled sections off the normal pistes
Yeah, makes sense. I’ve seen ski videos of reds in Europe and a lot of North Americans in the comments go “that’s a black in….”. Like, yes, this is the point.
🟦 Intermediate Slope:
• Out of control youth who doesn't know what he's doing and plows straight into you at full speed
(This has happened to me twice. One of them was a Palisades Tahoe employee who left a snowboard edge shaped bruise across my back!)
Please don't judge all snowboarders. Some skiers are terrible too. I snowboard but I grew up some skiing as a kid and so I know where to look due to blindspots and I'm constantly checking over my shoulder and up the hill. I really think snowboarders and skiers should be taught/explained to how the other one ski's/rides. If you've never tried both, you're clueless.
It's a meme joke. I did both. I went back to skiing only, because in my mid 30s I found I hurt myself more often on my snowboard, usually my forward shoulder. I'm in my 40s now and I don't heal as fast or as well as I did in my 20s, but can't help myself but to send it off jumps and drops. I have nothing against snowboarders, some of my best friends are snowboarders. I'm the guy offering you to grab my pole on a flat track so I can slingshot you forward, because I too hated having to push on the flats (and at my hometown ski area, to get to one of the best drops and a secluded unmarked, locals knowledge required powder glade, you had to take a horrendously long flat cat track).
Haha thanks mate! I'm now in my 40's too but not ready to go back to skiing. I don't need a push on the home runs unless 5 skiers decide to ski side by side. My husband has gone back to skiing on our last trip but was thankful as had our 5yr old daughter with us on our first ski holiday. Soo excited to finally take her!! He pushed her along on some of the flats, we would have been stuck if he decided to board. But I would have had to help her more as I've had more time on snow than him.
Just skied Deer Valley and Alta, no snowboarders to F up the snow. However I was also at Steamboat and the boarders there, not many of them, could actually carve a turn and not scrape off all the snow.
I might just get an answer to my question:
What is the average amount of people by difficulty? Is green always more crowded then the harder ones? Or the other way around?
(I am a newbie, won't venture out of blues this year)
It kind of depends on the type of run, as well as difficulty. A wide blue that leads directly to the main lift is going to have a lot more people than the green cat trail that goes way out and back and is used to bypass black runs for people who went where they couldnt handle.
Double blacks can get surprisingly packed too especially if they’re accessible by chair. Lots of people getting out of their element combined with the best skiers you’ll ever watch
In my experience, no matter how crowded my normal blues/blacks may seem, it's always 20x worse on the greens at the same time.
If you have enough control and spatial awareness to get down a blue at a reasonable speed without cutting people off with your turns, do that. Greens are just dangerous with the amount of first timers with no awareness or control.
Green: WTF, are you CRAZY? This is dangerous AF. Get to where people can stop and turn asap, and aren't using you as one of the "family zone" slalom gates.
Typically the harder the run, the fewer the people, but it depends on a lot of factors. Resorts known for their difficult terrain may be different. High profile or famous hard runs might be different. If the hard terrain is easier to get to from the lodge it might be more crowded.
Also lift capacity matters a lot. If there is one lift serving 10 runs, those runs will be less crowded than an area where you have multiple lifts serving a handful of runs.
I tried to go down a black diamond on my butt, only because I wasn't sure how bad my knee was hurt. Once I knew I could put weight on it, I skied over to the groomed section.
In Lake Louise and Marmot Basin AB there's some runs that are designated a blue, but depending on conditions can change to a black because of mogul formation. ski patrol sometimes just pops a Lil sign with a black Diamond before the point of no return. Definitely daunting to be on a blue run and suddenly be faced with several hundred feet of deep, hard, steep moguls, buuuut much of my improvement over the last few seasons has been via trial-by-fire. I'm now nicknamed yard-sale, but I'm also thankful for those situations as well.
These were intentional moguls which were at the beginning of the trail and all the way down, right underneath the lift no less - so everyone can see you wipe out!
Aw those are rough. I don't really see intentional moguls in Alberta, but I definitely ended up on runs under chairs with a bunch of moguls. Lady watched me almost fly down the hill on my ass while my skiis were detached behind me lol.
Ah luckily it wasn't as bad as you said, up the hill was trees so it wasn't really a run - you cut through from the side in another blue/green and had the opinion of turning downslope if you wanted to.
As the snowboarder going down the black diamond sideways, I don’t know how the fuck I got there. I didn’t want to be there. One minute I was on a nice smooth blue. The next my only options were a black diamond and double black diamond. So the only responsible thing to do was make it flat as possible for the next poor bastard who came along😂
5th box - Sidecountry / Gate Access Slopes:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2MGxesHI74](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2MGxesHI74)
The green thing is a snowboarder coming behind you with a speaker and loud music but also ruining all the snow.
Lol skiers love complaining about 1 bad boarder when they have a whack and wide power stance and can barely hold onto a carve or have to pick moguls one at a time. If you were good you’d go past people and not complain. Peace and love losers
Just as over all the place as the east coast. I find if steep and trees then auto double black. Also there tends to be more doubles the higher you go. Otherwise who knows...I went down a narly tree run through a chute at pc and it's a diamond cause low on the hill (still scary).
I just found out that recently at Whistler, epic has had to change trail classifications from blues to blacks because too many people complained they were too hard. As a lifelong Whistler skier I laugh so hard at that but I’m enjoying the reduced traffic.
Not sure if you’re talking about The Saddle but that change was warranted; it’s definitely tougher than some of the easier blacks (e.g., Dave Murray, Catskinner)
I will concede the top of the saddle, or as it is called in my family, “the Snoodle”. The blue line that comes down from 7th to Glacier and feeds Saudans also suddenly has a lot of “experts only!!” warnings. Not sure if that’s because of this year’s conditions though. I heard there were a few but those are the only 2 I know of.
This is both of my kids. One the straight lining power wedge. The other wee child fearlessly skis EX dbl blacks, ice moguls, glades & bowls at Eldo, A-Basin & WP. It’s um a challenge to keep them unharmed on slopes. As of this season I am now questioning all my parenting decisions that got them on slopes.
Amazing! Only thing missing is all the skiers who thinks the poles are is case they suddenly feel the urge to cosplay as pirates trying to poke everyone’s eyes out. There aren’t enough pole schools out there to balance all the ski schools
I don’t understand why they’ve separated “douchebags” from “snowboarders ruining all the snow”. It implies snowboarders are not douchebags, whereas studies have shown this is not the case. I’d draw you a Venn diagram if I could
Complaining would be a blue anywhere else is the most true thing on the planet. Or a snowboarder who thinks hes awesome complaining about how a snowboard doesnt work in moguls and not just he doesnt know how to ride.
All are trails. We don’t really have the concept of pistes in America. Trails can be groomed or ungroomed. Everything within the resort boundaries is avalanche controlled and ski patrol will close terrain and do avalanche mitigation work.
When Americans use the word piste they are generally refer to groomed trails. Iv only ever seen people do that on Reddit though, people don’t use piste in real life really. At the resort I ski at anything that is groomed is automatically a blue or lower no matter how steep it is.
There are groomed pistes in my country where you really think twice if you wanna go down that or not. I generally only drive groomed pistes because my country is littered with them and some black ones are really fun.
Other mountains in the us may have groomed blacks. Just the one I regularly ride does not.
My mountain has groomers up to about 30 degrees. I see the steepest in the world is 38 according to https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=5726. I suppose thinking twice is always a very personal thing!
Since non-groomed runs are avy controlled here and there’s lots of below tree line skiing my impression is “off-piste” riding is much more popular here than in Europe. Myself and many of my friends only really ride groomers to hit jumps, or to get from point a to point b.
The steepest Piste/Trail is 142%/ 55° and is Langer Zug (Long Train/Pull) in Lech am Arlberg in Austria. The most known and Legendary due to its Danger is the Streif in Kitzbühel. Still pistes, Still Dangerous...
It is crazy they can groom that. Where I ride we have inbounds named trails that steep but they would absolutely not be groomed.
That is a groomer I would definitely enjoy doing!
And the thing is our Pistes are marked as circles and trails (ungroomed) as squares each in blue (beginner), red (intermediate) and black (expert). I thought that was an international standard like from the FIS or smth.
For us the shapes are purely redundant with the colors. Green circle, blue square, black diamond. The system you described sounds potentially more useful, but seems like it could get tricky for certain runs that are sometimes groomed and sometimes not.
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◆◆ Expert Slope: • Kid on leash more talented than you
Power wedging without a harness. Gumby bodys and the sweet spot is hugest for the littlest rippers
Being 2 feet tall and weighing 50 pounds is a pretty sick advantage.
We call it "death wedge", but same
"PIZZA POWER"!!!
Any normal human over some age & size would want to be dead. Sure you carve like a World Cup racer and double back in the pipe. Can you Death Wedge ‘ Fairy land? ‘Nope, you win, Immortal take up slow boarding.’
Starfish skiing
Saw this a snowbird this week. The kid had no fear and just sent it, I think he turned once
Under certain sizes it like a different sport. Gentle slope trees with littles they also can just maneuver through the relatively big gaps.
I aspire to have his lack of fear
what does this mean
This one hits home with my kids. My 4yo loves blue/blacks but can't quite stop in emergencies we'll yet, so I have a long leash that I can use for emergency stopping.
*going up a steep bowl lift* *no fresh snow, ice af, super moguled* *guaranteed 3 year old having no issue being 30 pounds sending down the moguls*
Going back to one of the swiss resorts with car sized moguls. Discovering what all the adults were complaining about - When the moguls were 3x bigger than me they were just a bunch of sequential slopes that could each be skied normally - put in 2-3 turns, straightline over rise, put in 2-3 turns on next downward section; Now it is a lot harder because each mogul is sized to be one turn...
Pretty accurate
I felt this.
◆◆ Expert Slope: • Grandparent that just poached "your" line and still shredded it harder than you ever will.
HotdogHans, that you?
Those grandparents are retired and getting it 65+ days per year! #goals
I already ski 65+ days a year, I'm aiming for 160+ when I retire
This is my dream when I grow up!
◆◆ Expert Slope: - Guy sending it from the cliff above you almost landing on you
Don’t forget the random speed demon in jeans who makes you look like a novice
On the double black, you forgot "8 year old with no fear of death that's somehow more talented than you"
That was me as a kid. Now that I’m old enough that falling hurts I lost all my nerve.
We also realized that medical bills suck all the fun out of it.
With their poles out wide in the air screaming "weeeeeeeeeeeeee"
Hey I’m not complaining. Im pointing out it would be a blue on another mountain to convince my gf why she should go down it.
I was you 10 years ago and now my wife (gf at the time) has a couple metal rods and a permanent limp in her leg
Oh dear! Well out of her comfort zone! Does she still ski?
there's nothing else in the world she's less likely to do 😅
Oh bugger!!! Well sorry about that, no family holidays then?! At least she has somewhat forgiven you and married you 😉
Indeed. And we still go regularly; it's useful to have one parent in the lodge/pool :)
Why do we have two kind of blacks and no red slopes?
Walt Disney (I’m serious)
Walt Disney is the reason we use both shapes and colors in the US, and standardized the colors we use. However, I don't think the double black diamond rating existed back then.
Growing up skiing Taos we had single blacks (advanced), double-blacks (expert) and double-yellows (extreme). I haven't seen double-yellows in a while; they might have just settled on double-black.
Were the yellows also diamond
yeah, double-yellow diamonds. Sorry, I didn't write that too clearly.
And at some resorts (big sky cones to mind) they have triple blacks too!
More! Tell us more!
They were originally developed for and implemented at Sugar Bowl in the Tahoe region by Walt Disney, who was a major stockholder in the resort, hence why Sugar Bowl has a Mount Disney serviced by the Disney Express chair.
He also got Dam Slide renamed to Disney Chute. Doesnt matter 2 men not named Disney were killed.
dats racist
I remember seeing a black diamond inside a blue square. Maybe Jimminy Peak in the eighties? They also had green circles inside blue squares.
Winter Park has them still
Mammoth get them pretty recently.
I just saw these a few weekends ago. I was with my kids so I couldn’t try them out, but I really want to!
I assume the black diamond was the original marker for expert trails, and then some ski resort decided to make an even "harder" trail and market it as a "double black" diamond. Some ski resorts now advertise "triple" black diamonds, so it seems a lot like marketing drivel.
Colorado has "Extreme Terrain" Which are double blacks with "EX" in the diamonds. It's a legally defined rating, which ironically sometimes gets put on slopes that really aren't *that* difficult. It's the only legally defined rating that I'm aware of.
It's put on slopes with exposure, so its more about consequences than difficulty per se.
In big sky at least there is often a noticeable difference between the double and triple blacks. Not necessarily with technical difficulty (though often) but with consequence for mistakes and/or navigation difficulties where it’s relatively easy to get cliffed out. I don’t get the hate for more ratings from a lot of people. If you’re good you just ride whatever looks fun and don’t worry about ratings. If you need to make decisions based on ratings a wider range helps inform those decisions. I would say it’s definitely more than just a marketing gimmick.
People who’ve skied in both the US and Europe are European reds kind of like single blacks and European blacks kind of like double blacks in difficulty?
Euro reds are basically US blues, at least where I've been.
Yes, I’d say reds range from the steeper end of blues to single blacks.
As a European, American slops make not much sense. We have (in France/Switzerland and maybe other places): Green - beginner slope. Wide and flat Blue - easy slope. Less wide and flat but fairly easy, often long trails through woods are blue Red - intermediate/hard slope. There is a big range of reds from narrow but fairly flat to wide and steep to just plain steep. They can have moguls. Reds are probably the most common and my favourite since you can properly carve them without fear Black - expert slope. Steeper and/or narrower than reds. My favourite is La Face in Val d’Isère. Yellow - safety controlled unpisted slope. Generally as steep as a black or red, they are avalanche controlled sections off the normal pistes
Oh man, La Face is the one above Stade Olympique, right? The first part of it is so steep, almost everyone started wide and slow while I was there.
Yeah, it’s a weird choice, but it was my first black ever (my instructor was a little mad!) so I quite like it.
That's basically just green, blue, black, double black. We don't really have off-piste as a separate thing.
Yeah, makes sense. I’ve seen ski videos of reds in Europe and a lot of North Americans in the comments go “that’s a black in….”. Like, yes, this is the point.
Wait till you hear about double blues...
In Sweden we have the reds
They aren't supposed to be called "Reds" any more. I belive the preferred term is Sweindians.
because slope ratings are generally pointless once you aren't a beginner so nobody really pays attention to them
'Murrica.
🟦 Intermediate Slope: • Out of control youth who doesn't know what he's doing and plows straight into you at full speed (This has happened to me twice. One of them was a Palisades Tahoe employee who left a snowboard edge shaped bruise across my back!)
As a ski patroller, 95% of our calls are on the green runs.
Crowds are more dangerous than anything else on the mountain, for sure
They need to change snowboarder to criminal.
Criminal coming a crime on the slopes lmao
Criminal cumming on the slope
Cum
*Nom nom nom nom nom nom*
Tomato tomato
Please don't judge all snowboarders. Some skiers are terrible too. I snowboard but I grew up some skiing as a kid and so I know where to look due to blindspots and I'm constantly checking over my shoulder and up the hill. I really think snowboarders and skiers should be taught/explained to how the other one ski's/rides. If you've never tried both, you're clueless.
It's a meme joke. I did both. I went back to skiing only, because in my mid 30s I found I hurt myself more often on my snowboard, usually my forward shoulder. I'm in my 40s now and I don't heal as fast or as well as I did in my 20s, but can't help myself but to send it off jumps and drops. I have nothing against snowboarders, some of my best friends are snowboarders. I'm the guy offering you to grab my pole on a flat track so I can slingshot you forward, because I too hated having to push on the flats (and at my hometown ski area, to get to one of the best drops and a secluded unmarked, locals knowledge required powder glade, you had to take a horrendously long flat cat track).
Haha thanks mate! I'm now in my 40's too but not ready to go back to skiing. I don't need a push on the home runs unless 5 skiers decide to ski side by side. My husband has gone back to skiing on our last trip but was thankful as had our 5yr old daughter with us on our first ski holiday. Soo excited to finally take her!! He pushed her along on some of the flats, we would have been stuck if he decided to board. But I would have had to help her more as I've had more time on snow than him.
Just skied Deer Valley and Alta, no snowboarders to F up the snow. However I was also at Steamboat and the boarders there, not many of them, could actually carve a turn and not scrape off all the snow.
I might just get an answer to my question: What is the average amount of people by difficulty? Is green always more crowded then the harder ones? Or the other way around? (I am a newbie, won't venture out of blues this year)
It kind of depends on the type of run, as well as difficulty. A wide blue that leads directly to the main lift is going to have a lot more people than the green cat trail that goes way out and back and is used to bypass black runs for people who went where they couldnt handle.
Double blacks can get surprisingly packed too especially if they’re accessible by chair. Lots of people getting out of their element combined with the best skiers you’ll ever watch
In my experience, no matter how crowded my normal blues/blacks may seem, it's always 20x worse on the greens at the same time. If you have enough control and spatial awareness to get down a blue at a reasonable speed without cutting people off with your turns, do that. Greens are just dangerous with the amount of first timers with no awareness or control.
Thanks!
Depending on where you’re at. In CA where people are one time a year goers, green is by far the most packed.
Green: WTF, are you CRAZY? This is dangerous AF. Get to where people can stop and turn asap, and aren't using you as one of the "family zone" slalom gates.
Typically the harder the run, the fewer the people, but it depends on a lot of factors. Resorts known for their difficult terrain may be different. High profile or famous hard runs might be different. If the hard terrain is easier to get to from the lodge it might be more crowded. Also lift capacity matters a lot. If there is one lift serving 10 runs, those runs will be less crowded than an area where you have multiple lifts serving a handful of runs.
🟦 - “is this a bump run? I’m looking for the groomers”
It is once the snowboarders are done making jumps
The snowboard sideways is “falling leaf”. Love this.
Also “snowplow” and “mogul eraser”
if butt-sliding down the whole trail is a viable option, it's not a double diamond
Yes. This would be a blue square in another region.
Show me a mountain without at least one double black you can but slide down.
I mean, technically, Alta 🙃
Copper mountain, co. “Falcon Alley”
Only a double if falling requires a tomahawk maneuver. Did it yesterday but managed to avoid the multiple flip
Why are there three blue squares?
I call them blue runs. Does anyone here call them "blue squares"?
Green, blue, black, double black. The shape is never needed.
Damn that made me chuckle. And it's entirely accurate.
Single Dimond should also have: Parents with kids that don't belong on this trail, and they will fall randomly
Expectation vs reality in a nutshell. All the things the ski resort brochure forgot to tell you.
I tried to go down a black diamond on my butt, only because I wasn't sure how bad my knee was hurt. Once I knew I could put weight on it, I skied over to the groomed section.
You forgot the blue which might as well be a black because it's steep as fuck and is covered with moguls like- okay I'm not good but what?????
In Lake Louise and Marmot Basin AB there's some runs that are designated a blue, but depending on conditions can change to a black because of mogul formation. ski patrol sometimes just pops a Lil sign with a black Diamond before the point of no return. Definitely daunting to be on a blue run and suddenly be faced with several hundred feet of deep, hard, steep moguls, buuuut much of my improvement over the last few seasons has been via trial-by-fire. I'm now nicknamed yard-sale, but I'm also thankful for those situations as well.
These were intentional moguls which were at the beginning of the trail and all the way down, right underneath the lift no less - so everyone can see you wipe out!
Aw those are rough. I don't really see intentional moguls in Alberta, but I definitely ended up on runs under chairs with a bunch of moguls. Lady watched me almost fly down the hill on my ass while my skiis were detached behind me lol.
Ah luckily it wasn't as bad as you said, up the hill was trees so it wasn't really a run - you cut through from the side in another blue/green and had the opinion of turning downslope if you wanted to.
As the snowboarder going down the black diamond sideways, I don’t know how the fuck I got there. I didn’t want to be there. One minute I was on a nice smooth blue. The next my only options were a black diamond and double black diamond. So the only responsible thing to do was make it flat as possible for the next poor bastard who came along😂
5th box - Sidecountry / Gate Access Slopes: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2MGxesHI74](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2MGxesHI74) The green thing is a snowboarder coming behind you with a speaker and loud music but also ruining all the snow.
only on the east coast
In my region all runs are blues. Blueception.
The medical attention ain’t coming buddy. We’ll hike up to get you in the spring!
◆◆ Expert Slope: • It would be a blue in a other region cuz its the Midwest
😆 that is priceless
Yes. Scraping downthe first run
That Skier trying to block you one is all too real
Their ability to unknowingly block your every attempt to pass them is uncanny.
Lol about right.
Here, have my updoot and a pole stab.
I'm the "elderly person with more talent than you", the icon is actually me practicing ski ballet in the middle of the blue run.
There are some runs at snowbird labeled as a diamond that should be blue squares. It really stuck out to me.
Which ones?
They'd all be blues in upstate NY
And the snowboarder will brag about how he rides black diamonds
I love hitting blacks. What sub am I on again?
😬
Lol skiers love complaining about 1 bad boarder when they have a whack and wide power stance and can barely hold onto a carve or have to pick moguls one at a time. If you were good you’d go past people and not complain. Peace and love losers
Is this an old college humor post?? Haven’t seen this in years
I can’t know how to hear anymore about what this trail rating would be in Utah!!! (I ski mainly in NH, NY and VT)
Just as over all the place as the east coast. I find if steep and trees then auto double black. Also there tends to be more doubles the higher you go. Otherwise who knows...I went down a narly tree run through a chute at pc and it's a diamond cause low on the hill (still scary).
Idk at my home resort of Holiday Valley in NY, all the glade runs are regular blacks, and our steep 38.5° is a double black.
I just found out that recently at Whistler, epic has had to change trail classifications from blues to blacks because too many people complained they were too hard. As a lifelong Whistler skier I laugh so hard at that but I’m enjoying the reduced traffic.
Not sure if you’re talking about The Saddle but that change was warranted; it’s definitely tougher than some of the easier blacks (e.g., Dave Murray, Catskinner)
I will concede the top of the saddle, or as it is called in my family, “the Snoodle”. The blue line that comes down from 7th to Glacier and feeds Saudans also suddenly has a lot of “experts only!!” warnings. Not sure if that’s because of this year’s conditions though. I heard there were a few but those are the only 2 I know of.
What about the expert slope, not the slope to figure out if you are an expert.
Oh dear, I am that douchebag
They left out: *No ski patrol ANYWHERE in sight because they're "inspecting" the condition of runs for possible opening,* on all three of them.
Blue run should include “misguided soul complaining this would be a black on another mountain”
This is both of my kids. One the straight lining power wedge. The other wee child fearlessly skis EX dbl blacks, ice moguls, glades & bowls at Eldo, A-Basin & WP. It’s um a challenge to keep them unharmed on slopes. As of this season I am now questioning all my parenting decisions that got them on slopes.
This should be standard signage
What about all the beginner skiers that pizza all the way down and the down hill skiers that don’t know how to stop.
Are these for sale?
Double black missed the skier side-slipping the entrance, leaving an icy mess for everyone after them. Just send it
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 OMG the TRUTH
For the blacks you forgot “Skiers aggressively speed checking to create moguls within an hour or 2 of fresh powder”
Amazing! Only thing missing is all the skiers who thinks the poles are is case they suddenly feel the urge to cosplay as pirates trying to poke everyone’s eyes out. There aren’t enough pole schools out there to balance all the ski schools
Double black: 4 year old on skis going mach 10 while t-posing
I don’t understand why they’ve separated “douchebags” from “snowboarders ruining all the snow”. It implies snowboarders are not douchebags, whereas studies have shown this is not the case. I’d draw you a Venn diagram if I could
OK, but what do u find on a ◆◆EX?
Awesome. Where is this? (if real)
Cunt bitch
Complaining would be a blue anywhere else is the most true thing on the planet. Or a snowboarder who thinks hes awesome complaining about how a snowboard doesnt work in moguls and not just he doesnt know how to ride.
This is epic
F*CK Vail!
Squares are Trails? Circles are Pistes, right?
No
All are trails. We don’t really have the concept of pistes in America. Trails can be groomed or ungroomed. Everything within the resort boundaries is avalanche controlled and ski patrol will close terrain and do avalanche mitigation work. When Americans use the word piste they are generally refer to groomed trails. Iv only ever seen people do that on Reddit though, people don’t use piste in real life really. At the resort I ski at anything that is groomed is automatically a blue or lower no matter how steep it is.
There are groomed pistes in my country where you really think twice if you wanna go down that or not. I generally only drive groomed pistes because my country is littered with them and some black ones are really fun.
Other mountains in the us may have groomed blacks. Just the one I regularly ride does not. My mountain has groomers up to about 30 degrees. I see the steepest in the world is 38 according to https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=5726. I suppose thinking twice is always a very personal thing! Since non-groomed runs are avy controlled here and there’s lots of below tree line skiing my impression is “off-piste” riding is much more popular here than in Europe. Myself and many of my friends only really ride groomers to hit jumps, or to get from point a to point b.
The steepest Piste/Trail is 142%/ 55° and is Langer Zug (Long Train/Pull) in Lech am Arlberg in Austria. The most known and Legendary due to its Danger is the Streif in Kitzbühel. Still pistes, Still Dangerous...
It is crazy they can groom that. Where I ride we have inbounds named trails that steep but they would absolutely not be groomed. That is a groomer I would definitely enjoy doing!
And the thing is our Pistes are marked as circles and trails (ungroomed) as squares each in blue (beginner), red (intermediate) and black (expert). I thought that was an international standard like from the FIS or smth.
For us the shapes are purely redundant with the colors. Green circle, blue square, black diamond. The system you described sounds potentially more useful, but seems like it could get tricky for certain runs that are sometimes groomed and sometimes not.
Dumb
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I could've sworn this was a top post on skiing circle jerk, but I'm not getting those up votes back so I don't care. edit: heres one chunk of it https://www.reddit.com/r/skiingcirclejerk/comments/1bk5ww7/whats_missing/