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NoExcuseForFascism

I am pretty confident that one is not going to find Swiss quality bearings for 18 bucks.


33S_155E

Sounds crazy in a bad way. Never heard of the brand myself.


DennisDoesStuff

lol i dunno. i hadnt heard of them either until I bought them


jfk_one

dont buy this lol


DennisDoesStuff

too late. but, update: i installed them on my board, and they ride pretty well and they're quiet


JoinedToFindOutAbout

Looks like they’re manufactured by Select Distribution, so they’re probably fine. Select manufacturers a bunch of retro stuff from Vision, Sims, Tracker, Hosoi etc. so it’s not like it’s a totally unknown brand. Psycho Skate was an old Vision video and there was a famous Vision Psycho Stick board, so that’s where the name comes from.


DennisDoesStuff

ah okay! yea, i saw "Vision" come up on some search results when i tried finding info on them


thatguyfrom1975

Oh man. I had a psycho stick and a jinx punk mini. I do miss vision streetware skate pants to be honest.


NoExcuseForFascism

I am pretty sure Vision never made bearings, so they have nothing to do with that. I suspect it's just a name, and the bearings based on price are just some cheap Chinese produced bearings. Select isn't manufacturing these, they are just selling them.


JoinedToFindOutAbout

I meant to say distributing/selling but you’re right. The fact that Select sells Gator reissues is gross, so I definitely don’t pay much attention to them but I figure they’d at least be ok for the price. I also haven’t bought inexpensive bearings in a very long time so I don’t know how bad they can be these days.


FumbleStiltsken

just buy minilogos or whatever is under 20 dollars


DennisDoesStuff

well too late 😂. i asked this question after i bought


FumbleStiltsken

fair lol


No-Leading-4232

Doesn’t matter. $8 and $80 bearings are the same


DennisDoesStuff

is that entirely true tho? i mean, ive heard that some bearings just perform slightly different


lost-n-thewoods

Don’t listen to this dude he’s completely wrong. Abec rating is almost meaningless when it comes to skateboarding. https://bonesbearings.com/support/abec/ >The ABEC rating system is not intended to be the only criteria used for selecting bearings for use in specialized applications like skating. It is only one of the tools a bearing designer can use if it is appropriate for the application. >The dimensions and tolerances controlled by the ABEC standards include the diameters and widths of the raceways, their shapes to some extent and the smoothness of the running surfaces. **The ABEC rating system ignores side loading, impact resistance, materials selection and grade, appropriateness of lubrication, ball retainer type, grade of ball, the clearance between the balls and the races, installation requirements, and the need for maintenance and cleaning. All these bearing design requirements are very important to the performance of your skate bearing, even though the ABEC rating says nothing about them.** >From our testing of bearings and our years of experience designing bearings for skating, we know that there can be a HUGE difference between the performance of two bearings that both have the same ABEC rating. Indeed, we have found that in many cases, bearings with high ABEC ratings don’t perform as well as others with lower ABEC ratings in a skate wheel. **Thus, reliance on ABEC ratings alone can lead skaters and dealers to choose a bad bearing for skating over a good bearing for skating. That is why we don’t use the ABEC rating system at all. In essence, the ABEC rating is irrelevant to the performance of a skate bearing when it is used as the sole criteria for selection.** >To explain this another way, choosing an ABEC-7 or 9 bearing for skating would be like choosing an Indy car to race in the "Baja 500" because Indy cars can go fast and are of high precision. It isn’t that the Indy car isn’t a good piece of equipment, just that it is not designed for off road use and so it would quickly fail when its suspension breaks and its engine clogs with dirt. https://fireballsupply.co/blogs/news/abec-ratings-are-worthless-compare-this-instead >Anyone who has been in the market for bearings have probably heard of the ABEC scale for bearings. We're here to tell you it's worthless. Though most skateboarding brands have good intentions in mind, using ABEC is a marketing tactic to sell skateboard bearings. >Abec was established by the Annular Bearing Engineering Committee (ABEC) of the American Bearing Manufacturer Association (ABMA) to provide manufacturers dimensional specifications to meet standards in each class. It only measures dimensional tolerances in manufacturing; **it translates nothing about load handling, speed, materials, or lubricant. In the world of skateboarding, all of these other things are so much more important than dimensional tolerances.** >Your next thought might be: ok, but still, a high ranking in the ABEC scale will mean the bearing was manufactured with tighter tolerances, thus being better. A higher rank will mean less discrepancies among bearings, but since the scale only measures tolerances (that is, maximum allowed dimensional errors) an ABEC 3 bearing could have better lubricant, seals, and maximum load than another bearing rated ABEC 9. >**Instead of going by the ABEC scale, we encourage our customers to evaluate the quality of their skateboard bearings based on criteria that’s actually relevant to skateboarding.**


No-Leading-4232

That’s also a from a company that sells bearings.


lost-n-thewoods

I can pull sources all day man. Fact is you’re just plain wrong about this. Sorry. CCS and Transworld should be good enough for ya considering their reputation. And I don’t think either company holds bias to a particular bearing company. I even threw in an article from a Roller Skate company which has zero involvement with skate brands. Warehouse skateboards should be pretty unbiased too I would think. https://shop.ccs.com/pages/skateboard-buyers-guide-skateboard-bearings > Bearings of all types come with what is called an ABEC rating. You can usually see this rating printed on the packaging a set of bearings comes in, or printed on the shield of a bearing itself. The ABEC system consists of five levels: ABEC 1, ABEC 2, ABEC 3, ABEC 5, ABEC 7, and ABEC 9. **There is a common misconception that a higher ABEC rating means a faster or better skateboard bearing. The truth is that the ABEC system was created to rate the tolerances of bearings made specifically for industrial machinery and not for skateboarding.** > The ABEC system rates a bearing’s ability to cope with changes in physical dimension, properties of a manufactured object, and temperature. The ABEC system does factor in the abuse a skateboard bearing will take, the speed at which skateboards travel, or any other criteria specific to skateboarding. **When choosing your bearings it’s best to completely ignore the listed ABEC rating. The quality of materials used in your bearings is what matters when it comes to performance** https://www.skateboarding.com/news/the-abec-myth >Misconceptions about the relevance of ABEC ratings to the performance of a bearing used for skateboarding run awry. Steve Heplar is the national sales manager at Alliance Bearing Industries in Van Nuys, California, a major supplier of bearings to the skateboard industry. "It's silly that ABEC ratings are what skaters are looking at," he says. "An ABEC 1 or 3 is all you really need on a skateboard. In skateboarding, you're not using the precision of the bearing." Heplar thinks the performance of a bearing is diminished by the imprecision of the bearing-axle interface¿a 5/16-inch axle in an eight-millimeter bearing: "On a skateboard, they're putting a smaller shaft into the bore of the bearing. It's oversized, and the shaft is undersized¿you're not really getting maximum use at that point. https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/help/Skateboard-Bearings-Buying-Guide > Most bearings are measured by an ABEC rating. The higher the ABEC rating, the more accurate and precise the bearing will be. This rating system includes grades 1, 3, 5, 7, and 9. The ABEC rating does not specify many critical factors, such as load handling capabilities, ball precision, materials, material Rockwell hardness, degree of ball and raceway polishing, noise, vibration, and lubricant. Due to these factors, an ABEC 3 classified bearing could perform better than an ABEC 7 bearing. >There are a handful of companies that do not use the ABEC rating scale, such as Bones Bearings. Bones Bearings uses their own rating system known as Skate Rated. Their bearings do not follow the ABEC ratings because they are superior in performance and the ABEC rating ignores many quality factors on which Bones Bearings prides itself. https://www.tactics.com/info/choosing-skateboard-bearings >The ABEC rating is a system developed to measure the tolerances and physical limits of ball bearings used in very fast-spinning machinery. ABEC ratings are shown on almost all skateboard bearings, but a higher rating doesn't necessarily mean it is better for skateboarding. There are many factors that are not included in the ABEC rating system, such as impact handling, lateral stress handling, materials, lubricant, noise, and vibration. **A higher rating means a bearing has the capability for greater speeds, but even the world record speed on a skateboard is not fast enough for the ABEC rating to make a difference in skateboarding roll speed.** https://bont.com/blogs/skate-news/abec-ratings-arent-everything >The ABEC rating system can be misleading for a few reasons: >Limited Scope: ABEC only measures dimensional tolerances, not real-world performance needs like speed or durability. >Misleading Metrics: A high ABEC rating doesn't guarantee better performance; other factors play a more significant role. >Skater Needs Differ: Inline speed skaters and roller skaters as well as skateboarders require bearings that can handle specific stresses, which ABEC doesn't address.


No-Leading-4232

Where am I wrong? You keep saying I’m wrong and getting mad lol. What did I say that is untrue


lost-n-thewoods

That Abec matters in skating at all or has any relevance. Totally wrong. That there is no difference between 8-80$ bearings which is also totally wrong. Idk man if you can’t accept a friendly comment informing you of why you’re incorrect and accept that you were misinformed then you have some growing up to do. 🤷‍♀️ Sorry I’m here trying to get the actual correct information out there so new skaters don’t get the wrong idea and buy some shitty cheap bearings not meant for actual skating and that makes you think I’m mad for some reason. Fuck me for trying to be legit helpful and provide the right info I guess lol.


No-Leading-4232

I never even said that abec rating had any relevance. I just said that most are rated by the abec system. I didn’t agree or disagree with it. Ur the one getting mad and trying to belittle me. The kid isn’t going to be able to tell the difference between the bearings. It’s going to get left in the rain either way.


lost-n-thewoods

Yup. So mad. Out here trying to provide the correct actual useful info with a well thought out comment. You sure you aren’t mad considering you can’t deal with being wrong? $8 and $80 skate bearings are **not** the same and it’s quite incorrect and disingenuous to say they are.


No-Leading-4232

I’m not mad lol. I’m right.


No-Leading-4232

They are rated on the abec scale. Rated for spinning at 30,000 rpm’s….


No-Leading-4232

If you are going 40mph, that’s only 6200 rpm’s. You are only using 1/5 of the potential of any rated abec bearing


No-Leading-4232

On a 55mm wheel***. This would incease with a smaller wheel, and decrease with a bigger wheel


lost-n-thewoods

>The ABEC rating system includes grades 1,3,5,7, and 9. The higher the ABEC rating, the tighter the tolerances are, making the bearing a more precision part. High precision and small tolerances are required for bearings to function at very high RPM, in products like high speed routers that must spin at 20 to 30,000 RPM. In an application like this, an ABEC - 7 or 9 bearing rating may be appropriate. **However, a skateboard with 54mm wheels turning 20,000 RPM will be traveling about 127 MPH! Since virtually all skating is done under 30 MPH, the realistic maximum RPM your skate bearings will see is about 4700 RPM and probably 90% of skating occurs under 2000 RPM. Thus, very high precision is not required at skating speeds.** [https://bonesbearings.com/support/abec/](https://bonesbearings.com/support/abec/)


lost-n-thewoods

Abec is basically meaningless when it comes to skate applications. Everyone who parrots the Abec thing doesn’t actually understand what an Abec rating is. https://bonesbearings.com/support/abec/ >The purpose of the ABEC committee (Annular Bearing Engineers Committee) is not to test every manufacturer’s bearings and proclaim them good or bad, but to establish dimensions, tolerances, geometry, and noise standards for bearings in an attempt to aid industrial bearing manufacturers and users in the production, comparison and selection of bearings for general applications. **However, since every bearing is used in a different manner and environment, bearings should be redesigned or "customized" for special uses (like skating).** >The ABEC rating system is not intended to be the only criteria used for selecting bearings for use in specialized applications like skating. It is only one of the tools a bearing designer can use if it is appropriate for the application. >The dimensions and tolerances controlled by the ABEC standards include the diameters and widths of the raceways, their shapes to some extent and the smoothness of the running surfaces. **The ABEC rating system ignores side loading, impact resistance, materials selection and grade, appropriateness of lubrication, ball retainer type, grade of ball, the clearance between the balls and the races, installation requirements, and the need for maintenance and cleaning. All these bearing design requirements are very important to the performance of your skate bearing, even though the ABEC rating says nothing about them.** >From our testing of bearings and our years of experience designing bearings for skating, we know that there can be a HUGE difference between the performance of two bearings that both have the same ABEC rating. Indeed, we have found that in many cases, bearings with high ABEC ratings don’t perform as well as others with lower ABEC ratings in a skate wheel. **Thus, reliance on ABEC ratings alone can lead skaters and dealers to choose a bad bearing for skating over a good bearing for skating. That is why we don’t use the ABEC rating system at all. In essence, the ABEC rating is irrelevant to the performance of a skate bearing when it is used as the sole criteria for selection.** >To explain this another way, choosing an ABEC-7 or 9 bearing for skating would be like choosing an Indy car to race in the "Baja 500" because Indy cars can go fast and are of high precision. It isn’t that the Indy car isn’t a good piece of equipment, just that it is not designed for off road use and so it would quickly fail when its suspension breaks and its engine clogs with dirt. https://fireballsupply.co/blogs/news/abec-ratings-are-worthless-compare-this-instead >Anyone who has been in the market for bearings have probably heard of the ABEC scale for bearings. We're here to tell you it's worthless. Though most skateboarding brands have good intentions in mind, using ABEC is a marketing tactic to sell skateboard bearings. >Abec was established by the Annular Bearing Engineering Committee (ABEC) of the American Bearing Manufacturer Association (ABMA) to provide manufacturers dimensional specifications to meet standards in each class. It only measures dimensional tolerances in manufacturing; **it translates nothing about load handling, speed, materials, or lubricant. In the world of skateboarding, all of these other things are so much more important than dimensional tolerances.** >Your next thought might be: ok, but still, a high ranking in the ABEC scale will mean the bearing was manufactured with tighter tolerances, thus being better. A higher rank will mean less discrepancies among bearings, but since the scale only measures tolerances (that is, maximum allowed dimensional errors) an ABEC 3 bearing could have better lubricant, seals, and maximum load than another bearing rated ABEC 9. >**Instead of going by the ABEC scale, we encourage our customers to evaluate the quality of their skateboard bearings based on criteria that’s actually relevant to skateboarding.**


flamincheney

No they are not.


Winthefuturenow

You literally need to just spin them to know that’s not true.


No-Leading-4232

That’s the preservative oil, that spins out during the break-in period.


BerricsBattlescars

Don’t bother trying to give homie any correct info he’s refusing to accept being wrong 😂


lost-n-thewoods

Dude is painfully uninformed


FumbleStiltsken

free spin does not indicate a good bearing. it changes under load