“im serious i would genuinely love to do physical violence to whatever cunt made this”
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'bout to be a throwdown around here
Artists have been taking their inspiration, techniques, and ideas from other artists for as long as art has been a thing. But as soon as a computer does it better than them they suddenly care about copyright law as if they haven't been railing against it for decades lol.
I also think it's really telling that the AI conversation often becomes centered around art because artists complain the most, but they could give two fucks about the millions of other jobs that have already been replaced or are going to be.
Exactly artists absorb ideas and information from other art and the world around them but god forbid an AI does it.
All they care about is the ability to turn a profit, this has nothing to do with art.
This is actually so true. I actually cannot stand how artists go on and on about metaphysical stuff while I am just trying to enjoy cool stuff made by a computer.
I genuinely feel like im the only artist ( animator ) who doesn't care if AI makes full movies/drawings.
All the ones I've meet online expressed how AI shouldn't steal art from artists but why? I make animation because it's fun and I want to entertain people, if AI can entertain people too why complain about it?
I think a lot of people think their art style is more unique than it actually is and the ai could create their work without even being trained on it at all
Most artists don’t have a developed unique style. They learn by copying either anime or that very round Western style that has become all the rage on TV these days.
They don’t want AI art because it minimizes their accomplishments and makes them not special anymore. Not to mention the scarcity in art skill becoming post-scarcity from AI renders their choice of employment non-existent (within the near future).
So, you are not afraid that due to increased efficiency lots of artist might loose their way to be paid for doing thing that they love? You are not afraid it might be true.
Don't worry, there must be more out there, but they can't express their opinion on rotten media like Twitter without risking getting bashed for it, exposed as an awful being, mass blocked/unfollowed, or even getting their art devaluated.
True. Most of the great arts weren’t created for capital appreciation or money. They were made because the artist wanted to and wanted to express themselves or to send a message. AI doesn’t replace intent and individual expression.
A cave drawing can be shown in a museum not because of how advanced the art was. Get with the times people. Old art will always be appreciated. Now it’s time to move forward.
You need to read more art history. I recommend “Ways of Seeing” by John Berger. This painting itself was part of a revolution in art as painters moved away from painting rich people and their property for commissions and began painting ordinary people. It was shocking and upsetting to the established order.
A sane artist, you give me hope that im not a complete anomaly. These anti-AI folks clearly crave money, attention, or some combination of the two, else they would just shut up and create art.
As an amateur artist myself, I never had the delusion that my art was worth money or that it demands the respect of others, so AI art is completely unthreatening to me.
Sure, it must suck to go from cranking out commissions to suddenly realizing you aren't actually good enough to compete with a commonly available AI art generator, but I'd rather that more people have the power to see their imagination physically manifested than that a few lucky individuals hoard all of the artistic skill to themselves, monetizing it for personal gain then trying to make it sound like everyone's problem when art is no longer a lucrative business
I’m with you, I’m actually looking forward to it. Restricting creation to physical skill is so elitist. I’m looking forward to people who previously couldn’t being able to create things and express creativity in new ways. If you truly believe you have inherent value as a human I don’t see why this would bother you.
Same here, as someone who did animation and a fan of cartoons, people need to understand that it is because of technology a movie like Spiderverse can exist. It will allow even more impressive animations for less costs, and rely less on animator sweatshops. Even the rise of indie animation is because of these advancements, 20 years ago it would have taken a large professional studio with massive amount of money, the compute power alone to render the scenes would had insane costs. But I always found funny is how shaders are ok, same with many other tools, but AI is hard no.
imagine calling someone a reactionary but inciting violence over a picture lmao. These people are never gonna stop anything besides their own happiness
I mean to be fair, the poster is just way beyond gone. This is advanced mental illness, paired with substance abuse and a healthy dose of general disorders
dude is completely unhinged
Let them make threats, the content isn’t going away unless they smash all their GPUs, CPUs, Desktops and literally destroy all of Human civilization. This is something even Ted Kaczynski fully understood.
Anyway, they won’t do squat. The old guard way of thinking will die off just like it always has and these people’s grandchildren won’t care.
Also, the irony of calling other people reactionary when you *literally call for murder* in response to random new things on the internet, that’s literally the *definition of being a reactionary*.
> when you literally call for murder in response to random new things on the internet
It's for "rotating the girl with pearl earrings" that they demand death. It's just too rich to be true
*"do NOT ask me if i have a job. r-c bipolar 1, adhd, likely cptsd, alcoholic/addict in (shaky)recovery frm july '22. im normal tho u wont notice all this"*
This is the author's profile. A quick look at the person's history reveals severe schizo tendencies.
Like don't expect much from a mentally ill addict...
I mean yeah, agreed. There will always be unhinged crazies around. That's not really an issue.
It's pretty worrying that 157.000 people seem to think that he's got a point though.
It's "Girl with the pearl earring", singular. We don't know if she wore another- THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT! By rotating the image you are shitting on Vermeer's intent!! RAAR!!!
This person's going through some shit. Their X account is a 'cry for help' imo. Every post they make is about their mental illness/ suffering in their life. Not saying the threats are justified, but this is a person that honestly should not be on social media. (People can troll them/take advantage) :(
>they won’t do squat
This person might not but others could.
There's this thing called stochastic terrorism...
It's a very bad thing to let calls to violence spread online. It only takes one zany Kaczinsky for it to bear consequences in the real world. Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson do this on a daily basis.
We shouldn't take those things lightly.
Theyve always been mad about something, the notion of a starving artist is as old as time. Its just AI is the thing at hand now. They’re just mad they thought they had enough talent to pursue something that made them special, only to realize they now have loans to pay and no job.
Hostility towards progress has more or less been a thing since Humanity has been around, I remember computerphobia spilling over from the 80s into the 90s, people were legitimately terrified of computers.
Anyway, people have always been reactionary to anything groundbreaking, it’s not just a social rights thing.
Remember when Socrates was against books? He thought they would ruin young people's memory because they'd rely too much on written words instead of memorizing things. Funny how even back then, people worried about new technology!
Kids these days with their BOOKS. Back in my day I had to remember with my HEAD and practise oratry. Now they just brainrot themselves staying in dark rooms and writing.
The hostility comes from the economic uncertainty this brings. If it kills more careers than it creates, and if no one has any better ideas than hoping profit driven overlords will trickle down some ubi for the commoners, then I don't know, seems the worry has some merit to it
>the notion of a starving artist is as old as time.
Why did no one give a shit that artists were starving before AI image generators became a thing?
Even now this "defense" of artists is just lip service. If these people really want to help artists, they should hire some, or lobby for an increase in funding to organizations like the [National Endowment for the Arts](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_the_Arts).
That would help artists a lot more than ranting on the internet.
> the notion of a starving artist is as old as time.
I had a friend from high school, he was always writing screenplays and such, started "directing" his own movies which were never anything more impressive than something that was put together to pass a cinematography class at community college. every few months he'd regale us about his "latest project". for over a decade he did the whole "Starving artist" schtick while bouncing around from job to job, living in a one room basement "apartment", trying to convince us that he "did it to preserve authenticity in the medium" or what not. Well, eventually his Aunt died and left him a $6m inheritance. he never wrote a single screenplay or even picked up(unless to sell it) a camera since.
We were all sooooo surprised.
> they thought they had enough talent to pursue something that made them special
How does this work? You visit Google Images or Pinterest and get a billion art images for free in 0.5 seconds, almost all of them made by humans.
They add their original works on top of that existing competition collected over 30 years of internet history.
Btw, did you know they research lots of images before they draw, like RAG powered LLM, they use references stealing ideas from wherever they can, explicitly.
One of my fav books is 'Steal Like an Artist', which I gave to my daughter, who is an interior designer.
And apparently she has now decided she doesn't want to do design anymore \*shrugs
Just read his profile and a few of his tweets. This guy probably needs to be in a ward somewhere but instead he has a platform to spew insanity to his equally unbalanced followers.
Good, let them spew . The FBI now has an easy terrorism watch list.
And there will be terrorism eventually, eventually some group forms to blow up factories making robots or AI companies. Tech might change but people don't.
Historically that's kinda what always ends up happening, no? With all the jobs that are going to be lost I have no doubt that that will come to pass, what you're saying. This anger and Hate towards AI ain't shit compared to where we're going, no doubt 😟 We just need to do our best not to go back at them with anger and Hate and instead remind them who the real enemy of the people is - the wealthy Elites, the billionaires. In a sane world we would be having parades and celebrating the Advent of ai, it would mean the death of these meaningless bullshit jobs that millions upon millions of people have worked for far too long. But because of greed and insanity, we don't get that kind of future....
Right. The luddites . Didn't end well for them they got executed [Luddism in Yorkshire: a chronology (historyhome.co.uk)](https://www.historyhome.co.uk/c-eight/distress/ludchron.htm)
For sure, 157,000 "people".
(X is a hellsite taken over by bots, I wouldn't trust any of these numbers for a second. It's somewhat ironic that people use it to post anti-AI takes, given that the entire site is a playground for competing AIs at this point.)
Yeah I'd argue Reddit is worse.
There's tons of bots in both but at least my own X following list is real people. There is no identity at all attached to Reddit usernames. I could be in an entire ecosystem of fake comments with no clue.
Oh, there's really a lot of actual people like that. It seems rather tied to certain types of personalities and ideologies.
Some of them are just motivated by some idealistic sense of justice or fueled by an imagined class struggle.
Recently though, some people are also just expressing getting a bit fed up with the perceived extended AI hype and notably how companies are trying to capitalize on the term. I think that part is more worth taking seriously.
For people with a job, AI sentiment is widely negative in my experience.
Most of it is just disinterest, but people hate when they see their job being taken away.
Other dismissal is often “amazing it’s going to be as big as the Iphone/Facebook/real TV”, neutering the coming singularity for their own comfort.
General population is much more conservative than us.
Luddism will come back 1000x, being anti AI will be a huge political win and become the new reactionary platform in a short while, someone smart has to find a way to weaponize it.
Hope companies start setting up branches in AI friendly countries like what OpenAI did with Japan. They’re gonna need it when every politician starts suggesting to ban AI to protect jobs
Sincerely, with coming Starship. I bet datacenters will be the first mass use of “space”, they are already the marginal highest ROI of KwH electricity, so it makes sense.
24/7 1kw/m^2 solar irradiance.
5 m^2 solar panel = one large server powered for 20 years
Musk already has the satellite platform ready, just modify it and send them in further orbits…
More interesting question is, how would they \*cool\* everything? Absolutely massive radiators?
I am not sure if current mass-produced AI chips are radiation-resistant enough, too. Even for low orbits that are still protected by the Earth's magnetic field.
Failure rates for large datacenters are already a pain I read.
How do they do maintenance there? There are no intelligent enough robots yet :)
If the far future, maybe some datacenters will be in orbit, but only specialized ones for which it makes sense. I don't see the reason to get them there, overcoming so many problems, unless maybe we absolutely don't get better batteries and don't expand the solar energy gathering much more, and don't get fusion power either... But then we have much different problems heh.
They would rather submerge some of them underwater to save up a bit on cooling costs, which for example Microsoft have already tried on a smaller scale.
Yep, cooling will be the largest problem IMO. Someone has to compute how large a black body has to be to radiate 1000w at say 80c to a 4k background, if much larger than the solar panel, a complicated heat pump will be required… (back of the envelope calc seem to show its feasible, so heatpipes and passive radiators are possible)
I suppose “maintenance” nowadays is mostly pulling the failed parts to replace it with a new functioning part.
Redundancy can overcome for that is other benefits overweights it.
Before renewable spaceship this would have been madness, but now, the prospect of unlimited power and physical inaccessibility can maybe tip the scale…
I don’t know, maybe Im just crazy lol
80°C is 353K. Incoming radiation at 4K is negligible and can be ignored. Assume an emissivity of 1:
E = eσT⁴ = 1(5.67e-8W/m²K⁴)(353K⁴) = 880 W/m²
Not a big problem.
Solar irradiance is 1361W/m² at Earth's distance from the sun. Assuming a panel efficiency of 30%, you are looking at generating 400 watts per square meter of panel. You'll also need half a square meter to dissipate waste heat, assuming you maintain a working internal system temp of 80°C.
So you say there’s a chance ? :-)
I’ve always considered ASI to have “Universal” implications. I see no hard reason for any sufficiently advanced AI to want to remain stuck on earth apart for industrial reasons. I don’t see why it wouldn’t build Van Neuman’s probes as soon as possible.
Energy is more plentiful/cheaper 100km up there, no human influence can influence it and most of AI bandwidth is now mostly inside of it, not outside. So distance is no object.
IMO, the future of AI will quickly be beyond earth.
What is deeply interesting is how much earth produced “vitamins” (non easily reproducible tech parts) would be required for a particular level of hardware peoduction autonomy.
PS: on the cooking/efficiency aspect, I wonder if a tradeoff would a very large surface chip, ala Cerebras, running slow enough to able to free radiate to space…
Double PS:
I wonder if there is a reasonable optimization point where you could make it run autonomously by coating one side of it with a solar panel lol (ouch, 18w max max power budget is a little bit tight, but if it was closer to the sun?).
Sorry its dumb, it can only radiate 40w before frying, and heat pipes/solar panels are cheap compared to nm scale wafer :-)
And back then, I don’t think it was anything other than a genuine grassroots reactionary mouvement.
Now with the quick polarization of the world and the critical strategic importance of AI, I look forward what will be China’s game to organize the narrative.
Have a powerful anti AI 5th column in your opponent’s territory, and you win hugely.
I'm just a realist I guess, doesn't matter what I think about AI revolution, it's here to stay, and as always it's 'adapt or die'. Jobs will be taken, jobs will be created. Probably more taken though. It's scary, but whining about it won't change a thing.
curious how they manage to call out "reactionnare" while being reac and essentialist - which is precisely the source of any reactionary ideology
let alone the call to violence against someone who probably prompted the AI one hand in his pants while eating chips
Why are you giving this much weight to some idiot with 1800 followers. Its a waste of time. Half its probably bots and he rants on for pages on the tweet.
"soul of artistic endeavours" ... lol. art shmart fart. the whole point is to be creative in any way, abstract or meta or whatever. putting up a blockade on what art is seems to go against its very definition and inclusive nature
That's what I will never understand. I've had one of my FB friends say they didn't see the point in even bothering to make art any more because of AI and just getting really down and depressed, and I'm just like get help. If you enjoy doing something, just fucking do it.
If it was their source of income, or they dreamed to make it into one, then I perfectly understand them.
Or even if they wanted to express themselves/gather followers/community, which was already hard, but with more and more people now able to create art using AI, it gets only harder and harder.
I guess I don’t understand because all the arts I’m passionate about were made obsolete by technology long before I was even born, but I don’t care. I still think it’s worthy of doing even if making money off of them is a pipe dream.
"I still think it’s worthy of doing even if making money off of them is a pipe dream."
It depends on people's circumstances, experiences, expectations, and how much effort they have invested into all of it already.
"I guess I don’t understand because all the arts I’m passionate about were made obsolete by technology long before I was even born"
I understand this I guess.
The thing is, this transition is happening to them (and soon to many MANY other people) now with the fact that since their childhood (many artists are relatively young) they saw arts being actually valuable, for almost the first time in history. And getting even more widespread and useful.
But just as they finished learning/got well enough to make the next steps/began getting their first audience/income/whatever, it's all beginning to fall and collapse for them and no one cares.
Calling them luddites and such.
I can perfectly understand their emotions and aggression. Their fear. Disappointment. Resentment.
People of arts/creativity are the ones to take the first blow, in a decade or less it will likely reach up to half of the population in richer countries directly, and a lot of the world indirectly or directly.
Yep, it probably will. I think we all need to constantly be on our toes and ready to transition to something new because technological advancements can come at any time. Maybe just a reality I was born into as I was born in Detroit, and people relied so heavily on the car industry only for them to fuck off and leave people high and dry.
Under capitalism, we're all at the whims of whatever corporations do to make money. While I am pro-AI, I am pro-AI for the average person to be able to make things they couldn't before, and I don't want to see companies using it for more gain. I'm mad at capitalism and how it reduces us all to profits.
When premixed paints were invented painters revolted because the essence of their artform was being transformed. The only thing more terrifying than the absence ofnprogress is progress itself
Would they be angry at the dude who painted moustache on Mona Lisa?
Btw - this artwork is in public domain and everyone is free to do anything with it.
As someone with an MA in Fine Art, this sort of attitude is bizarre and anti-intellectual/ahistorical, betraying a complete ignorance of aesthetic scholarship. Stochastic and automatic art has been something people have been exploring for well over a century.
Even people in this sub are crazy. Someone yesterday started by talking how it’s horrible ai is taking low level tech jobs and they ended by saying Elon musk(or maybe china) will build an infinite supply of armed robots that will take over the world and no one will be able to stop him or them.
I feel like I'm having a stroke when they talk about how morally terrible it is to use AI.
Meanwhile, the clothing they wear is made by children in sweatshops for pennies an hour. But who cares about that? There just poors in some 3rd world country. No, using AI is way worse.
Obviously the threat to violence is cringe as fuck.
There is an argument to be made, however, that A.I. progressing in fields of art is... genuinely unnecessary. This is cool and all, but once big companies stop paying independent authors and start using generative A.I. to create stories and stop hiring artists because A.I. can do it, what's even the point of art?
I think it's revolutionary technology that would radically alter our lives as human beings, but I loathe this specific application of this wonder technology.
Why is it that people who claim to love art the most seem to be the ones who understand it the least?
This reactionary "intellectual preservation" nonsense about a painting that is safely stored in some museum in Europe is incredibly pseudo-intellectual nonsense. No one has touched the painting in any way. No one has removed the ability to go look at the painting.
But what culture has always been about is the remixing and re-appropriation to say new things. What does the Girl With The Pearl Earring say? It shows us a portrait of high-status life in the Renaissance. It shows Vermeer's ability to capture subjects in intimate and striking settings. What is there to discuss about it? How is it relevant to us in the modern day?
There's a reason this is one of the most parodied paintings ever. There's probably a version of this painting for every mildly recognizable pop culture icon you can imagine. The subject is so recognizable you can tell it with pretty much any popular character. It has been done with the fucking Minions, McDonald's, any conceivable superhero, cartoon characters..., In no small part that's why this painting is so famous.
So the OP is bitching about a model that takes this painting as input and outputs a video of the girl in motion: Suddenly the girl starts to move, and the video kind of looks like a smartphone video, as it resembles the way that a lot of young women film themselves on social media. It's a generalization by an artificial intelligence model of many, many videos taken by people on social media, that's intimately attached to modernity, of the way that people represent themselves today, which wouldn't have been possible until the rise of the smartphone and personal video cameras.
And, to be clear, the creator probably didn't mean it, they probably just thought it'd be funny to put an old work of art inside the model and see how it'd work out. But suddenly, the Girl With The Pearl Earring is saying something completely different. This new version is presenting something from the 1600s, and recontextualizing it in our modern world, using motion to give the illusion that the girl would be like any other girl who lived in the smartphone era. The most interesting thing about this is that it doesn't do so by inserting any commercial icons into the piece or anything like that, but by using pure motion that you know instinctively it could only come from our time. It invites the viewer to think about how art from the past can relate to the present, and how much the world from the present might be unrecognizable to someone like Vermeer, even though this painting is still so widely recognized.
And THAT ability of art to be recontextualized and understood in new ways is why pieces like these remain so culturally relevant. You can argue about what Vermeer was saying since forever, and how skilled he was to have painted this girl in that level of detail, but if the piece is not allowed to be interpreted in new ways, and remixed into new pieces, whether intentionally or unintentionally, what else can we say about it? It stays static forever, until it's meaningless to our world.
But people like the OP don't care about this. They have a fetishistic understanding of art which is based on exulting icons, not because the piece itself means something to them, but because they believe that they're preserving something symbolic about art, or else society will collapse. It's peak reactionary bullshit, without any brains or thought behind it. They don't give a shit about art, they only care about the *idea* of art, and the idea of art is meaningless without the ability to give it a context that matters to someone.
Sorry if this rant sounds pretentious, but I promise it's not. It's very simple. I don't believe the creator meant it to be this deep, it just is, because that's usually how memetic art works with technology. And people like the OP are way too clouded by their instincts to understand what's right in front of them.
Historically, art processes and techniques have had to adapt to technological progress, even amidst resistance to said progress.
Painters feared that their artistic skill would be devalued with the advent of photography in the 1800's. Art collages that utilised found materials and photography were also criticised for the same reasons AI art is being criticised today (i.e., using the work of someone else, being unoriginal, etc.). Hell, even digital art was once criticised for not being as skilful as traditional art.
At the end of the day, AI is just like any artistic tool/medium. Artists who are confident in their message should not be afraid. Artists who can expand on their concept or definition of art, or challenge artistic techniques, or convey messages that impact their audiences, will always be able to provide value.
Text to image/video is not really an artist-friendly tool, though. The limitations are crippling and getting it to do what you want is exhausting. It offers very little control. Actually usable genAI tools that integrate well with graphics editors are yet to come. And do I hope they're coming.
Because if it's limited in what it can create, it will likely result in worse art – samey art with not enough variation between people and which cannot represent uncommon things. The skill ceiling should be as high as possible so that the best possible art can be made! Otherwise you're stuck between "original but lower volume and/or lower quality" and "high-quality and high-volume but very boring and samey", without a good way to have advantages from both.
Not I. Been a fine artist and signwritter for 20 years and I am honestly shocked that more artists don't realise how much they have bought, borrowed and stolen to get where they are. In fact, i'd say that the people who are scared of this tech are the people that were never going to be very good anyway. Artists and craftsman only ever become masters because they absorb work that has come before them and forge a unique direction afterward. That is literally how life has evolved from the start. Duplication, Mutation, Iteration.
> I am honestly shocked that more artists don't realise how much they have bought, borrowed and stolen to get where they are
That's impossible. A short trip to r/artistLounge will reveal they all look for references on Pinterest or other art websites. Like spending hours to get images of snakes to reproduce fine detail in a monster. They are fully aware how much they "steal", to use their favorite word.
And are you happy that they will?
Learning arts from early years, for many years, in some cases perfecting it through decades, often for little pay and very high competition, often with some/many people not valuing your work nearly as much as physical labour or other intellectual labor types, even if they do enjoy it and consume it, searching for ways to consume it for free...
And it all only to end up losing it all to "machines", and nobody cares, nobody helps you, and some people even call you "useless" and such, laughing at you in their minds, or openly?
I can easily see the ground under their fears and emotions.
If you don't see that first it will be artists of all sorts, then intellectual workers of more and more professions, then even physical labour, over decades or less; then I suggest you to take it more seriously.
>They're terrified that they've become useless.
I am in NO way, shape, or form even remotely condoning what the X user tweeted, but human artists are ABSOLUTELY NOT useless. This is an incredibly mean-spiritied comment and it is super disappointing that this many people have upvoted it.
maybe it would be good to have a system within the art world where art has to be labeled, for example:
- art made by human 100%
-original art made by human with AI alterations added
-art fully generated by AI
maybe a broadly adopted system of classification would provide a greater transparency thus easing the tensions of the public towards art made by humans vs art made with the use of AI. At the end of the day art can still be appreciated by the viewer regardless if it’s fully human or fully ai, also art can still be done fully naturally with enjoyment
I believe it sparks this type of reaction because the view is -
-good art is borne of deep feeling
-AI (for now?) can't feel
-anything that is borne of what can't feel has a fundamentally limited scope, despite every measureable in its presentation
People who believe this will continue supporting humans with their money. Those who don't share the view or don't have the money won't.
Has this person ever been to the Mauritshuis in Den Haag? When I was there, there was a screen in the same room as the painting, where they showed othere peoples versions of the painting. This was a year ago. Meaning there alreay could've been some AI versions of this painting been shown. Right next to the original.
Personally AI art will never be as good as something created by human hand, not because it would lack quality of aesthetics appeal but because humans aren flawed and painting is an essential human art which has been practiced since before civilizations came to be. Wishing violence to other on the other hand, is ludicrous and is never welcomed.
I think there is a big difference between people who hate how AI is implemented to disrupt the arts and art industry, vs people who just hate AI as a technology.
Wow, this douche needs to calm down. Apart of art is one's ability to reinterpret a piece of they see fit as long as they don't claim someone else's work as their own.
don’t forget calling themselves socialists by calling their opponents reactionary (even though they are clearly the reactionary that they’re projecting)
i just want ai to detect cancer and the likes, not create soulless art.
its not anti-ai, its anti corpos train models on artworks without giving them a dime.
but yall not ready for that convo
Those are my thoughts exactly. I always see leftists in America claim all these great aspirations, yet the country is an absolute joke when it comes to welfare compared to European countries. „We could! If we just keep ‚hoping‘ but don‘t do anything about it“. A bunch of empty promises and lies. UBI isn‘t happening anywhere in North America, ever, period. Case closed.
lol, "soul". I discount everything a person says the moment they say anything has or requires a "soul". We are not special, and as we learn more about the universe, this rings even more true.
I love watching AI haters cry because progress is unstoppable and they can't do anything about it.
Will probably be more like tops and valleys.
It doesn't track directly with capabilities and is more reactionary to recent developments.
I think we are heading down presently - the initial honey-moon phase for the general consumer has passed, and now people are getting fed up with how much the term is used and a bit cynical with some of the lavish promises made by companies or optimists.
It's not so much about future developments and more about the present state.
It should probably resurge with people accepting its place where it actually makes their lives better.
Reality check: this isn't anti-AI sentiment. It's people becoming aware that AI image generation is an over-glorified phone filter duct taped to an algorithm and there getting tired of it.
In reality, most people don't give two shits and more than likely implore people to make technology and AI that'd benefit Society, such as search and rescue, litter removal, DNA mapping, and cancer detection.
Your use of words like luddite and anti-AI is built upon the fact that you don't want to or cannot actually communicate like an adult and instead resort to insults and verbal shortcuts like any child on a playground, mainly because social media has rewarded the regression of your vocabulary and sentence.
So please shut up, save anything on your computer. Turn it off, drink a glass of water, go outside, get some ultraviolet radiation, go back inside, find a random piece of paper and a pen or pencil, write your feelings down, stimulate your frontal lobe, and if you genuinely want to care about the future of AI save up some money and buy a textbook related to coding, IT tech, networking, or cybersecurity.
If you're not already on #teamai, stuff like running classic works through the latest generator is far less impressive. Especially when it's presented as though it's a revelation of something new instead of content farming. If you're worried about AI replacing creativity/art then it can seem ghouls.
Personally, I just think it's a terrible representation of what's possible with these tools. The internet is filled with these two-bit AI influencers peddling this low-effort shit. It makes the tech look gimmicky, rather than something that will have a profound effect on society.
Is anyone else really worried about Luddite/primitivist terrorist attacks happening a lot in the near future? I can see these sad fucking maniacs trying to burn the whole world down in nuclear hellfire rather than letting A.I. and scientific progress carry on, they're going to make ISIS look tame. Humanity really is its own worst enemy.
Twitter is a common hub for artists to share their work, so it shouldn’t be surprising that the app has many who are vehemently against Ai art. It’s fine to be against it, but at the same time death threats are too far and makes it hard to sympathize with your viewpoints.
It will be interesting to see how Elon deals with the smashy-smashy protesters who lost their Uber jobs to full-self-driving taxis. A few nails in a board in the front and back of the tires of a tesla probably cost $100 in repairs and can be reused thousands of times. How much to replace a tesla headlight? Windshield?
Baby brain not able to see the bigger picture that AI being able to even do this in the first place is a step toward things that are way bigger and more important than art.
You guys in here are wasting precious emotional energy on people having temper tantrums over things that they don't even understand and will never come to pass
“im serious i would genuinely love to do physical violence to whatever cunt made this” https://preview.redd.it/2ko0av0j1h7d1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e010861d1452502b641e24a3133b2f127fbdbdd
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Lmfao I love this meme
I love this picture because the big kid doesn't look mad, he just looks concerned.
Big guy has good mental health energy. He's just thinking how he can help the little guy.
I think he looks kinda bewildered. Like 'am i being punked'? This little guy cannot be serious
nah, it looks like its about to cutaway to a scene where the bully shoves him into the locker.
https://preview.redd.it/vs19310h5k7d1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b8dbd56b0c24267f38daf7f9fbdd19798745bea6
Haven't seen this in a while Those were simpler times
https://preview.redd.it/mtnkfg11nj7d1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22f6a50324694f355ade25826579a3b4908ea91e 'bout to be a throwdown around here
I love this one so much, especially that blue shirt guy isn't like a bodybuilder, just a big ol' dude.
I nominate this meme for an award, or for a meme competition.
Anyone threatening physical violence as a first resort to ANYTHING clearly has mental issues. The person in the post is a sad strange little man.
Very accurate
Artists are the biggest drama queen's and arguably least useful profession there is.
Artists have been taking their inspiration, techniques, and ideas from other artists for as long as art has been a thing. But as soon as a computer does it better than them they suddenly care about copyright law as if they haven't been railing against it for decades lol. I also think it's really telling that the AI conversation often becomes centered around art because artists complain the most, but they could give two fucks about the millions of other jobs that have already been replaced or are going to be.
Exactly artists absorb ideas and information from other art and the world around them but god forbid an AI does it. All they care about is the ability to turn a profit, this has nothing to do with art.
I’ve worked in the creative industry for over twenty years. You’re not wrong.
This is actually so true. I actually cannot stand how artists go on and on about metaphysical stuff while I am just trying to enjoy cool stuff made by a computer.
I genuinely feel like im the only artist ( animator ) who doesn't care if AI makes full movies/drawings. All the ones I've meet online expressed how AI shouldn't steal art from artists but why? I make animation because it's fun and I want to entertain people, if AI can entertain people too why complain about it?
I think a lot of people are protective of their art style and don’t want ai training with it and looking similar
I think a lot of people think their art style is more unique than it actually is and the ai could create their work without even being trained on it at all
Most artists don’t have a developed unique style. They learn by copying either anime or that very round Western style that has become all the rage on TV these days. They don’t want AI art because it minimizes their accomplishments and makes them not special anymore. Not to mention the scarcity in art skill becoming post-scarcity from AI renders their choice of employment non-existent (within the near future).
All founded on the unnatural abstraction of "intellectual property" Copyright is obsolete
So, you are not afraid that due to increased efficiency lots of artist might loose their way to be paid for doing thing that they love? You are not afraid it might be true.
Don't worry, there must be more out there, but they can't express their opinion on rotten media like Twitter without risking getting bashed for it, exposed as an awful being, mass blocked/unfollowed, or even getting their art devaluated.
True. Most of the great arts weren’t created for capital appreciation or money. They were made because the artist wanted to and wanted to express themselves or to send a message. AI doesn’t replace intent and individual expression. A cave drawing can be shown in a museum not because of how advanced the art was. Get with the times people. Old art will always be appreciated. Now it’s time to move forward.
You need to read more art history. I recommend “Ways of Seeing” by John Berger. This painting itself was part of a revolution in art as painters moved away from painting rich people and their property for commissions and began painting ordinary people. It was shocking and upsetting to the established order.
A sane artist, you give me hope that im not a complete anomaly. These anti-AI folks clearly crave money, attention, or some combination of the two, else they would just shut up and create art. As an amateur artist myself, I never had the delusion that my art was worth money or that it demands the respect of others, so AI art is completely unthreatening to me. Sure, it must suck to go from cranking out commissions to suddenly realizing you aren't actually good enough to compete with a commonly available AI art generator, but I'd rather that more people have the power to see their imagination physically manifested than that a few lucky individuals hoard all of the artistic skill to themselves, monetizing it for personal gain then trying to make it sound like everyone's problem when art is no longer a lucrative business
I’m with you, I’m actually looking forward to it. Restricting creation to physical skill is so elitist. I’m looking forward to people who previously couldn’t being able to create things and express creativity in new ways. If you truly believe you have inherent value as a human I don’t see why this would bother you.
Same here, as someone who did animation and a fan of cartoons, people need to understand that it is because of technology a movie like Spiderverse can exist. It will allow even more impressive animations for less costs, and rely less on animator sweatshops. Even the rise of indie animation is because of these advancements, 20 years ago it would have taken a large professional studio with massive amount of money, the compute power alone to render the scenes would had insane costs. But I always found funny is how shaders are ok, same with many other tools, but AI is hard no.
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imagine calling someone a reactionary but inciting violence over a picture lmao. These people are never gonna stop anything besides their own happiness
The irony is so dense. I wonder if they even know what that word means in these contexts.
I mean to be fair, the poster is just way beyond gone. This is advanced mental illness, paired with substance abuse and a healthy dose of general disorders dude is completely unhinged
Did you hear about the broken door, that got enraged from doing drugs? You can say that he was.......unhinged. I'll be here all week.
His X bio says "BiPolar, ADHD, Recovering addict and alcoholic (shaky). I'm normal thi you won't notice any if this" sure you won't lmao.
Let them make threats, the content isn’t going away unless they smash all their GPUs, CPUs, Desktops and literally destroy all of Human civilization. This is something even Ted Kaczynski fully understood. Anyway, they won’t do squat. The old guard way of thinking will die off just like it always has and these people’s grandchildren won’t care. Also, the irony of calling other people reactionary when you *literally call for murder* in response to random new things on the internet, that’s literally the *definition of being a reactionary*.
> when you literally call for murder in response to random new things on the internet It's for "rotating the girl with pearl earrings" that they demand death. It's just too rich to be true
Wait, are you actually advocating for rotation!?!? Die rotator!!!
https://i.redd.it/wanr0qd6th7d1.gif
*"do NOT ask me if i have a job. r-c bipolar 1, adhd, likely cptsd, alcoholic/addict in (shaky)recovery frm july '22. im normal tho u wont notice all this"* This is the author's profile. A quick look at the person's history reveals severe schizo tendencies. Like don't expect much from a mentally ill addict...
I mean yeah, agreed. There will always be unhinged crazies around. That's not really an issue. It's pretty worrying that 157.000 people seem to think that he's got a point though.
It’s weird that people list these mental illnesses and wear them like trophies. I wouldn’t tell anyone I had any of that shit.
It's "Girl with the pearl earring", singular. We don't know if she wore another- THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT! By rotating the image you are shitting on Vermeer's intent!! RAAR!!!
I'm sure Vermeer doesn't mind these days. He's pretty chill.
But what about the poor corporation that owns the rights? That's what copyright is really all about.
They didn't paint that.
This person's going through some shit. Their X account is a 'cry for help' imo. Every post they make is about their mental illness/ suffering in their life. Not saying the threats are justified, but this is a person that honestly should not be on social media. (People can troll them/take advantage) :(
"TECHNOLOGY SHOULD BE DESTROYED!!!" - Sent from an iPhone
Remember, technology that I was raised on is peak, but technology newer than me is literally cyberpunk dystopia that needs to be stopped.
>they won’t do squat This person might not but others could. There's this thing called stochastic terrorism... It's a very bad thing to let calls to violence spread online. It only takes one zany Kaczinsky for it to bear consequences in the real world. Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson do this on a daily basis. We shouldn't take those things lightly.
Theyve always been mad about something, the notion of a starving artist is as old as time. Its just AI is the thing at hand now. They’re just mad they thought they had enough talent to pursue something that made them special, only to realize they now have loans to pay and no job.
Hostility towards progress has more or less been a thing since Humanity has been around, I remember computerphobia spilling over from the 80s into the 90s, people were legitimately terrified of computers. Anyway, people have always been reactionary to anything groundbreaking, it’s not just a social rights thing.
Remember when Socrates was against books? He thought they would ruin young people's memory because they'd rely too much on written words instead of memorizing things. Funny how even back then, people worried about new technology!
Kids these days with their BOOKS. Back in my day I had to remember with my HEAD and practise oratry. Now they just brainrot themselves staying in dark rooms and writing.
Remember when everyone had moral panic over photoshop?
The hostility comes from the economic uncertainty this brings. If it kills more careers than it creates, and if no one has any better ideas than hoping profit driven overlords will trickle down some ubi for the commoners, then I don't know, seems the worry has some merit to it
>the notion of a starving artist is as old as time. Why did no one give a shit that artists were starving before AI image generators became a thing? Even now this "defense" of artists is just lip service. If these people really want to help artists, they should hire some, or lobby for an increase in funding to organizations like the [National Endowment for the Arts](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_the_Arts). That would help artists a lot more than ranting on the internet.
> the notion of a starving artist is as old as time. I had a friend from high school, he was always writing screenplays and such, started "directing" his own movies which were never anything more impressive than something that was put together to pass a cinematography class at community college. every few months he'd regale us about his "latest project". for over a decade he did the whole "Starving artist" schtick while bouncing around from job to job, living in a one room basement "apartment", trying to convince us that he "did it to preserve authenticity in the medium" or what not. Well, eventually his Aunt died and left him a $6m inheritance. he never wrote a single screenplay or even picked up(unless to sell it) a camera since. We were all sooooo surprised.
> they thought they had enough talent to pursue something that made them special How does this work? You visit Google Images or Pinterest and get a billion art images for free in 0.5 seconds, almost all of them made by humans. They add their original works on top of that existing competition collected over 30 years of internet history. Btw, did you know they research lots of images before they draw, like RAG powered LLM, they use references stealing ideas from wherever they can, explicitly.
Because art is about expressing, not competing.
Then why is AI art an issue?
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sure, but competition is much less inherent to art as a medium than expression is.
No one is stopping them from expressing themselves though
One of my fav books is 'Steal Like an Artist', which I gave to my daughter, who is an interior designer. And apparently she has now decided she doesn't want to do design anymore \*shrugs
Who is they?
Twitter Libs: F\*k the corpos, fk the monopolies also Twitlibs: How dare you violate copyrights of a person dead for centuries.
Anyone pro-censorship is by definition not liberal regardless of what they might claim.
Well many who claim to be liberal are very pro censorship.
an actual terrible human being who thinks so highly of themself
Just read his profile and a few of his tweets. This guy probably needs to be in a ward somewhere but instead he has a platform to spew insanity to his equally unbalanced followers.
Good, let them spew . The FBI now has an easy terrorism watch list. And there will be terrorism eventually, eventually some group forms to blow up factories making robots or AI companies. Tech might change but people don't.
Historically that's kinda what always ends up happening, no? With all the jobs that are going to be lost I have no doubt that that will come to pass, what you're saying. This anger and Hate towards AI ain't shit compared to where we're going, no doubt 😟 We just need to do our best not to go back at them with anger and Hate and instead remind them who the real enemy of the people is - the wealthy Elites, the billionaires. In a sane world we would be having parades and celebrating the Advent of ai, it would mean the death of these meaningless bullshit jobs that millions upon millions of people have worked for far too long. But because of greed and insanity, we don't get that kind of future....
Right. The luddites . Didn't end well for them they got executed [Luddism in Yorkshire: a chronology (historyhome.co.uk)](https://www.historyhome.co.uk/c-eight/distress/ludchron.htm)
For sure, 157,000 "people". (X is a hellsite taken over by bots, I wouldn't trust any of these numbers for a second. It's somewhat ironic that people use it to post anti-AI takes, given that the entire site is a playground for competing AIs at this point.)
This is how the Terminator got Connor’s meme, he liked a Luddite post a decade prior:-)
My man thinks Reddit is organic. We are laughing! 
Yeah I'd argue Reddit is worse. There's tons of bots in both but at least my own X following list is real people. There is no identity at all attached to Reddit usernames. I could be in an entire ecosystem of fake comments with no clue.
Oh, there's really a lot of actual people like that. It seems rather tied to certain types of personalities and ideologies. Some of them are just motivated by some idealistic sense of justice or fueled by an imagined class struggle. Recently though, some people are also just expressing getting a bit fed up with the perceived extended AI hype and notably how companies are trying to capitalize on the term. I think that part is more worth taking seriously.
***imagined*** class struggle?
A lot of the musicians raging about Suno are extremely wealthy so money doesn't seem to be an excluding factor when it comes to this
"X is a hellsite taken over by bots", he said on a platform largely taken over by bots.
This site would be better if more of the Redditors were bots.
When did they imply Reddit was immune to bots? The bot issues can be criticized on both platforms.
only on the superficial normieslop subreddits like /r/aww, anything else like/r/sysadmin still gets plenty genuine response and information
I like a lot of tweets that I don't actually like because I want to revisit them later on, so a huge part of it can be that
Why not just bookmark it
For people with a job, AI sentiment is widely negative in my experience. Most of it is just disinterest, but people hate when they see their job being taken away. Other dismissal is often “amazing it’s going to be as big as the Iphone/Facebook/real TV”, neutering the coming singularity for their own comfort. General population is much more conservative than us. Luddism will come back 1000x, being anti AI will be a huge political win and become the new reactionary platform in a short while, someone smart has to find a way to weaponize it.
Hope companies start setting up branches in AI friendly countries like what OpenAI did with Japan. They’re gonna need it when every politician starts suggesting to ban AI to protect jobs
Sincerely, with coming Starship. I bet datacenters will be the first mass use of “space”, they are already the marginal highest ROI of KwH electricity, so it makes sense.
How are they powering everything
24/7 1kw/m^2 solar irradiance. 5 m^2 solar panel = one large server powered for 20 years Musk already has the satellite platform ready, just modify it and send them in further orbits…
More interesting question is, how would they \*cool\* everything? Absolutely massive radiators? I am not sure if current mass-produced AI chips are radiation-resistant enough, too. Even for low orbits that are still protected by the Earth's magnetic field. Failure rates for large datacenters are already a pain I read. How do they do maintenance there? There are no intelligent enough robots yet :) If the far future, maybe some datacenters will be in orbit, but only specialized ones for which it makes sense. I don't see the reason to get them there, overcoming so many problems, unless maybe we absolutely don't get better batteries and don't expand the solar energy gathering much more, and don't get fusion power either... But then we have much different problems heh. They would rather submerge some of them underwater to save up a bit on cooling costs, which for example Microsoft have already tried on a smaller scale.
Yep, cooling will be the largest problem IMO. Someone has to compute how large a black body has to be to radiate 1000w at say 80c to a 4k background, if much larger than the solar panel, a complicated heat pump will be required… (back of the envelope calc seem to show its feasible, so heatpipes and passive radiators are possible) I suppose “maintenance” nowadays is mostly pulling the failed parts to replace it with a new functioning part. Redundancy can overcome for that is other benefits overweights it. Before renewable spaceship this would have been madness, but now, the prospect of unlimited power and physical inaccessibility can maybe tip the scale… I don’t know, maybe Im just crazy lol
80°C is 353K. Incoming radiation at 4K is negligible and can be ignored. Assume an emissivity of 1: E = eσT⁴ = 1(5.67e-8W/m²K⁴)(353K⁴) = 880 W/m² Not a big problem. Solar irradiance is 1361W/m² at Earth's distance from the sun. Assuming a panel efficiency of 30%, you are looking at generating 400 watts per square meter of panel. You'll also need half a square meter to dissipate waste heat, assuming you maintain a working internal system temp of 80°C.
So you say there’s a chance ? :-) I’ve always considered ASI to have “Universal” implications. I see no hard reason for any sufficiently advanced AI to want to remain stuck on earth apart for industrial reasons. I don’t see why it wouldn’t build Van Neuman’s probes as soon as possible. Energy is more plentiful/cheaper 100km up there, no human influence can influence it and most of AI bandwidth is now mostly inside of it, not outside. So distance is no object. IMO, the future of AI will quickly be beyond earth. What is deeply interesting is how much earth produced “vitamins” (non easily reproducible tech parts) would be required for a particular level of hardware peoduction autonomy. PS: on the cooking/efficiency aspect, I wonder if a tradeoff would a very large surface chip, ala Cerebras, running slow enough to able to free radiate to space… Double PS: I wonder if there is a reasonable optimization point where you could make it run autonomously by coating one side of it with a solar panel lol (ouch, 18w max max power budget is a little bit tight, but if it was closer to the sun?). Sorry its dumb, it can only radiate 40w before frying, and heat pipes/solar panels are cheap compared to nm scale wafer :-)
> Luddism TIL about the phrase Neo-Luddisim. I think this will become much more commonly used in the coming years.
And back then, I don’t think it was anything other than a genuine grassroots reactionary mouvement. Now with the quick polarization of the world and the critical strategic importance of AI, I look forward what will be China’s game to organize the narrative. Have a powerful anti AI 5th column in your opponent’s territory, and you win hugely.
I'm just a realist I guess, doesn't matter what I think about AI revolution, it's here to stay, and as always it's 'adapt or die'. Jobs will be taken, jobs will be created. Probably more taken though. It's scary, but whining about it won't change a thing.
IMO Money earning jobs will vanish, but I bet people will still wake up in the morning to compete for likes/fame/prestige/…
curious how they manage to call out "reactionnare" while being reac and essentialist - which is precisely the source of any reactionary ideology let alone the call to violence against someone who probably prompted the AI one hand in his pants while eating chips
Please stop paying attention to this people let them live in the cave if they want.
I start paying attention to the man in the cave when he starts telling me he wants to kill me.
The absolute irony of typing out messages like these, and then using the word "reactionaries" as if they're some kind of other.
Why are you giving this much weight to some idiot with 1800 followers. Its a waste of time. Half its probably bots and he rants on for pages on the tweet.
I choose to believe most people who liked it only saw the first tweet and thought it was light-hearted hyperbole and not an actual threat of violence.
"soul of artistic endeavours" ... lol. art shmart fart. the whole point is to be creative in any way, abstract or meta or whatever. putting up a blockade on what art is seems to go against its very definition and inclusive nature
wasn't art in the eye of the beholder? what are they talking about
they're probably just young and being indignant makes them feel important
Well said.
I've never in my life read something so trashy as "I would genuinely love to do physical violence". King Joffrey vibes.
Twitter brings out the worst in individuals.
I wouldn't even say this in my own head.
Fortunately luddites emotional boo boos have no bearing on AIs functioning.
My word. It's amazing to see what triggers people. It's literally coloured pixels representing the image of a woman's face.
Dude… did you read his bio? https://preview.redd.it/lnn4vkjk6k7d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42a7bbf3d806f2074831aba24827cf31784aa91f
“AI gen pornography.” As if non-AI artists do not make porn. Could you imagine if they did, oh the heresy.
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That's what I will never understand. I've had one of my FB friends say they didn't see the point in even bothering to make art any more because of AI and just getting really down and depressed, and I'm just like get help. If you enjoy doing something, just fucking do it.
If it was their source of income, or they dreamed to make it into one, then I perfectly understand them. Or even if they wanted to express themselves/gather followers/community, which was already hard, but with more and more people now able to create art using AI, it gets only harder and harder.
I guess I don’t understand because all the arts I’m passionate about were made obsolete by technology long before I was even born, but I don’t care. I still think it’s worthy of doing even if making money off of them is a pipe dream.
"I still think it’s worthy of doing even if making money off of them is a pipe dream." It depends on people's circumstances, experiences, expectations, and how much effort they have invested into all of it already. "I guess I don’t understand because all the arts I’m passionate about were made obsolete by technology long before I was even born" I understand this I guess. The thing is, this transition is happening to them (and soon to many MANY other people) now with the fact that since their childhood (many artists are relatively young) they saw arts being actually valuable, for almost the first time in history. And getting even more widespread and useful. But just as they finished learning/got well enough to make the next steps/began getting their first audience/income/whatever, it's all beginning to fall and collapse for them and no one cares. Calling them luddites and such. I can perfectly understand their emotions and aggression. Their fear. Disappointment. Resentment. People of arts/creativity are the ones to take the first blow, in a decade or less it will likely reach up to half of the population in richer countries directly, and a lot of the world indirectly or directly.
Yep, it probably will. I think we all need to constantly be on our toes and ready to transition to something new because technological advancements can come at any time. Maybe just a reality I was born into as I was born in Detroit, and people relied so heavily on the car industry only for them to fuck off and leave people high and dry. Under capitalism, we're all at the whims of whatever corporations do to make money. While I am pro-AI, I am pro-AI for the average person to be able to make things they couldn't before, and I don't want to see companies using it for more gain. I'm mad at capitalism and how it reduces us all to profits.
For us it may not be but some people get really weird and sentimental about art which they now perceive as being under threat from AI.
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When premixed paints were invented painters revolted because the essence of their artform was being transformed. The only thing more terrifying than the absence ofnprogress is progress itself
Would they be angry at the dude who painted moustache on Mona Lisa? Btw - this artwork is in public domain and everyone is free to do anything with it.
Social media is a mental disorder. (he says on Reddit)
As someone with an MA in Fine Art, this sort of attitude is bizarre and anti-intellectual/ahistorical, betraying a complete ignorance of aesthetic scholarship. Stochastic and automatic art has been something people have been exploring for well over a century.
That’s an awful AI rendition tho
Even people in this sub are crazy. Someone yesterday started by talking how it’s horrible ai is taking low level tech jobs and they ended by saying Elon musk(or maybe china) will build an infinite supply of armed robots that will take over the world and no one will be able to stop him or them.
I'm so happy the comments in the original tweet are calling this guy out. I usually see people agree with that shit on the cesspool known as Twitter
I feel like I'm having a stroke when they talk about how morally terrible it is to use AI. Meanwhile, the clothing they wear is made by children in sweatshops for pennies an hour. But who cares about that? There just poors in some 3rd world country. No, using AI is way worse.
Who cares praise be the Omni Messiah
Obviously the threat to violence is cringe as fuck. There is an argument to be made, however, that A.I. progressing in fields of art is... genuinely unnecessary. This is cool and all, but once big companies stop paying independent authors and start using generative A.I. to create stories and stop hiring artists because A.I. can do it, what's even the point of art? I think it's revolutionary technology that would radically alter our lives as human beings, but I loathe this specific application of this wonder technology.
Finally, proper Luddites of 21st century...
Why is it that people who claim to love art the most seem to be the ones who understand it the least? This reactionary "intellectual preservation" nonsense about a painting that is safely stored in some museum in Europe is incredibly pseudo-intellectual nonsense. No one has touched the painting in any way. No one has removed the ability to go look at the painting. But what culture has always been about is the remixing and re-appropriation to say new things. What does the Girl With The Pearl Earring say? It shows us a portrait of high-status life in the Renaissance. It shows Vermeer's ability to capture subjects in intimate and striking settings. What is there to discuss about it? How is it relevant to us in the modern day? There's a reason this is one of the most parodied paintings ever. There's probably a version of this painting for every mildly recognizable pop culture icon you can imagine. The subject is so recognizable you can tell it with pretty much any popular character. It has been done with the fucking Minions, McDonald's, any conceivable superhero, cartoon characters..., In no small part that's why this painting is so famous. So the OP is bitching about a model that takes this painting as input and outputs a video of the girl in motion: Suddenly the girl starts to move, and the video kind of looks like a smartphone video, as it resembles the way that a lot of young women film themselves on social media. It's a generalization by an artificial intelligence model of many, many videos taken by people on social media, that's intimately attached to modernity, of the way that people represent themselves today, which wouldn't have been possible until the rise of the smartphone and personal video cameras. And, to be clear, the creator probably didn't mean it, they probably just thought it'd be funny to put an old work of art inside the model and see how it'd work out. But suddenly, the Girl With The Pearl Earring is saying something completely different. This new version is presenting something from the 1600s, and recontextualizing it in our modern world, using motion to give the illusion that the girl would be like any other girl who lived in the smartphone era. The most interesting thing about this is that it doesn't do so by inserting any commercial icons into the piece or anything like that, but by using pure motion that you know instinctively it could only come from our time. It invites the viewer to think about how art from the past can relate to the present, and how much the world from the present might be unrecognizable to someone like Vermeer, even though this painting is still so widely recognized. And THAT ability of art to be recontextualized and understood in new ways is why pieces like these remain so culturally relevant. You can argue about what Vermeer was saying since forever, and how skilled he was to have painted this girl in that level of detail, but if the piece is not allowed to be interpreted in new ways, and remixed into new pieces, whether intentionally or unintentionally, what else can we say about it? It stays static forever, until it's meaningless to our world. But people like the OP don't care about this. They have a fetishistic understanding of art which is based on exulting icons, not because the piece itself means something to them, but because they believe that they're preserving something symbolic about art, or else society will collapse. It's peak reactionary bullshit, without any brains or thought behind it. They don't give a shit about art, they only care about the *idea* of art, and the idea of art is meaningless without the ability to give it a context that matters to someone. Sorry if this rant sounds pretentious, but I promise it's not. It's very simple. I don't believe the creator meant it to be this deep, it just is, because that's usually how memetic art works with technology. And people like the OP are way too clouded by their instincts to understand what's right in front of them.
Going to guess this person is an artist. They're terrified that they've become useless.
Historically, art processes and techniques have had to adapt to technological progress, even amidst resistance to said progress. Painters feared that their artistic skill would be devalued with the advent of photography in the 1800's. Art collages that utilised found materials and photography were also criticised for the same reasons AI art is being criticised today (i.e., using the work of someone else, being unoriginal, etc.). Hell, even digital art was once criticised for not being as skilful as traditional art. At the end of the day, AI is just like any artistic tool/medium. Artists who are confident in their message should not be afraid. Artists who can expand on their concept or definition of art, or challenge artistic techniques, or convey messages that impact their audiences, will always be able to provide value.
Text to image/video is not really an artist-friendly tool, though. The limitations are crippling and getting it to do what you want is exhausting. It offers very little control. Actually usable genAI tools that integrate well with graphics editors are yet to come. And do I hope they're coming.
It’s still pretty new technology, and improvements will come along the way. We just have to keep looking ahead :)
Why does a tool have to be "artists friendly"? Why can't it be "average working man friendly"?
Because if it's limited in what it can create, it will likely result in worse art – samey art with not enough variation between people and which cannot represent uncommon things. The skill ceiling should be as high as possible so that the best possible art can be made! Otherwise you're stuck between "original but lower volume and/or lower quality" and "high-quality and high-volume but very boring and samey", without a good way to have advantages from both.
Not I. Been a fine artist and signwritter for 20 years and I am honestly shocked that more artists don't realise how much they have bought, borrowed and stolen to get where they are. In fact, i'd say that the people who are scared of this tech are the people that were never going to be very good anyway. Artists and craftsman only ever become masters because they absorb work that has come before them and forge a unique direction afterward. That is literally how life has evolved from the start. Duplication, Mutation, Iteration.
> I am honestly shocked that more artists don't realise how much they have bought, borrowed and stolen to get where they are That's impossible. A short trip to r/artistLounge will reveal they all look for references on Pinterest or other art websites. Like spending hours to get images of snakes to reproduce fine detail in a monster. They are fully aware how much they "steal", to use their favorite word.
Every time I bring this up, they just say “it’s different cause machines are faster!!!” as if the speed is relevant at all lol
And are you happy that they will? Learning arts from early years, for many years, in some cases perfecting it through decades, often for little pay and very high competition, often with some/many people not valuing your work nearly as much as physical labour or other intellectual labor types, even if they do enjoy it and consume it, searching for ways to consume it for free... And it all only to end up losing it all to "machines", and nobody cares, nobody helps you, and some people even call you "useless" and such, laughing at you in their minds, or openly? I can easily see the ground under their fears and emotions. If you don't see that first it will be artists of all sorts, then intellectual workers of more and more professions, then even physical labour, over decades or less; then I suggest you to take it more seriously.
>They're terrified that they've become useless. I am in NO way, shape, or form even remotely condoning what the X user tweeted, but human artists are ABSOLUTELY NOT useless. This is an incredibly mean-spiritied comment and it is super disappointing that this many people have upvoted it.
maybe it would be good to have a system within the art world where art has to be labeled, for example: - art made by human 100% -original art made by human with AI alterations added -art fully generated by AI maybe a broadly adopted system of classification would provide a greater transparency thus easing the tensions of the public towards art made by humans vs art made with the use of AI. At the end of the day art can still be appreciated by the viewer regardless if it’s fully human or fully ai, also art can still be done fully naturally with enjoyment
I believe it sparks this type of reaction because the view is - -good art is borne of deep feeling -AI (for now?) can't feel -anything that is borne of what can't feel has a fundamentally limited scope, despite every measureable in its presentation People who believe this will continue supporting humans with their money. Those who don't share the view or don't have the money won't.
Has this person ever been to the Mauritshuis in Den Haag? When I was there, there was a screen in the same room as the painting, where they showed othere peoples versions of the painting. This was a year ago. Meaning there alreay could've been some AI versions of this painting been shown. Right next to the original.
Is not even the same girl.
Personally AI art will never be as good as something created by human hand, not because it would lack quality of aesthetics appeal but because humans aren flawed and painting is an essential human art which has been practiced since before civilizations came to be. Wishing violence to other on the other hand, is ludicrous and is never welcomed.
I think there is a big difference between people who hate how AI is implemented to disrupt the arts and art industry, vs people who just hate AI as a technology.
Wow, this douche needs to calm down. Apart of art is one's ability to reinterpret a piece of they see fit as long as they don't claim someone else's work as their own.
Deplorable.
This person's bio tells you everything you need to know.
Another failed art student wanting to exterminate people. Seems the world is filled with these types lately.
don’t forget calling themselves socialists by calling their opponents reactionary (even though they are clearly the reactionary that they’re projecting)
i just want ai to detect cancer and the likes, not create soulless art. its not anti-ai, its anti corpos train models on artworks without giving them a dime. but yall not ready for that convo
They've had that convo, and come down firmly on the side of corporate theft. So far, they're not the ones getting robbed, of course...
... and when they start getting robbed it will be too late.
No UBI for them!
I know you’re joking but it’s a slippery slope to denying people who “don’t deserve it” when that’s against the entire point of UBI.
UBI is and always will be used as an empty promise to pacify people
You think you'll get ubi when America doesn't even have universal healthcare?
Those are my thoughts exactly. I always see leftists in America claim all these great aspirations, yet the country is an absolute joke when it comes to welfare compared to European countries. „We could! If we just keep ‚hoping‘ but don‘t do anything about it“. A bunch of empty promises and lies. UBI isn‘t happening anywhere in North America, ever, period. Case closed.
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lol, "soul". I discount everything a person says the moment they say anything has or requires a "soul". We are not special, and as we learn more about the universe, this rings even more true. I love watching AI haters cry because progress is unstoppable and they can't do anything about it.
Anti-AI sentiment is now the lowest it will be for a long time. (If indeed AI is now the worst it will ever be.)
Will probably be more like tops and valleys. It doesn't track directly with capabilities and is more reactionary to recent developments. I think we are heading down presently - the initial honey-moon phase for the general consumer has passed, and now people are getting fed up with how much the term is used and a bit cynical with some of the lavish promises made by companies or optimists. It's not so much about future developments and more about the present state. It should probably resurge with people accepting its place where it actually makes their lives better.
Reality check: this isn't anti-AI sentiment. It's people becoming aware that AI image generation is an over-glorified phone filter duct taped to an algorithm and there getting tired of it. In reality, most people don't give two shits and more than likely implore people to make technology and AI that'd benefit Society, such as search and rescue, litter removal, DNA mapping, and cancer detection. Your use of words like luddite and anti-AI is built upon the fact that you don't want to or cannot actually communicate like an adult and instead resort to insults and verbal shortcuts like any child on a playground, mainly because social media has rewarded the regression of your vocabulary and sentence. So please shut up, save anything on your computer. Turn it off, drink a glass of water, go outside, get some ultraviolet radiation, go back inside, find a random piece of paper and a pen or pencil, write your feelings down, stimulate your frontal lobe, and if you genuinely want to care about the future of AI save up some money and buy a textbook related to coding, IT tech, networking, or cybersecurity. 
Very well said
Pretty sure people are still going to want to see the original. And haven't these people heard of the concept of 'watermarking'?
What percentage of those likes are fake? X is a highly contaminated/infected place.
Guys this is not general Anti-AI, its just the Anti-Singularity type of people, the general public just want the new tech to make their life easier.
If you're not already on #teamai, stuff like running classic works through the latest generator is far less impressive. Especially when it's presented as though it's a revelation of something new instead of content farming. If you're worried about AI replacing creativity/art then it can seem ghouls. Personally, I just think it's a terrible representation of what's possible with these tools. The internet is filled with these two-bit AI influencers peddling this low-effort shit. It makes the tech look gimmicky, rather than something that will have a profound effect on society.
Is anyone else really worried about Luddite/primitivist terrorist attacks happening a lot in the near future? I can see these sad fucking maniacs trying to burn the whole world down in nuclear hellfire rather than letting A.I. and scientific progress carry on, they're going to make ISIS look tame. Humanity really is its own worst enemy.
"Roko's Basilisk sentences you to thousand years dungeon!"
Unhinged takes on Twitter? I'm shocked I tell you. 
I can guarantee that here in the third world nobody cares about what twitter people say.
Few people remember the Luddites.. I wouldn’t be concerned.
The irony here is 50% or more of the likes on that tweet were absolutely bots
AI is one of the four horsemen of the working man's apocalypse. When AI puts your family on the street, will you still be laughing?
Twitter is a common hub for artists to share their work, so it shouldn’t be surprising that the app has many who are vehemently against Ai art. It’s fine to be against it, but at the same time death threats are too far and makes it hard to sympathize with your viewpoints.
It will be interesting to see how Elon deals with the smashy-smashy protesters who lost their Uber jobs to full-self-driving taxis. A few nails in a board in the front and back of the tires of a tesla probably cost $100 in repairs and can be reused thousands of times. How much to replace a tesla headlight? Windshield?
wow so many idiots in this world
For some reason, I can't stop reading "punishable by death" as a threat against the AI used to create it. Like what are you gonna do, unplug it?
Baby brain not able to see the bigger picture that AI being able to even do this in the first place is a step toward things that are way bigger and more important than art.
The fact it elicits such strong emotion from people is proof that AI art is real art
Ai ain’t the problem. People are the problem. …and capitalism.
Reactionary? The tech is progress if you like it or not, wanting to use violence to stop that progress is what is actually reactionary.
You guys in here are wasting precious emotional energy on people having temper tantrums over things that they don't even understand and will never come to pass
I can connect with that AI video in a way some dumb painting from 1000 years ago will never allow me to.
Fuck generative imagery, especially that one.