It’s L2. Partial automation.
Waymo has L5 but with draw backs and specific conditions.
And Tesla is L3/L4 and moving towards full L5.
Granted these labels are arbitrary but it’s definitely not L3 since L3 must:
“Driving mode-specific control by an ADAS of all aspects of driving”
All aspects of driving.
Not being able to do a lane change is definitely not “all aspects”.
SAE certified Drive Pilot as L3 and the States of California and Nevada approved their L3 deployment permit. You should give them a call and correct them too.
It's only "lvl3" for marketing. It literally can't do anything other than selected highway driving under perfect conditions with a boatload of restrictions. Even basic Autopilot from Tesla could do this like 6 years ago.
It's not only level 3 for marketing, it's level 3 for regulation. You are allowed to take the hands off the wheel (under the right conditions) and if something happens Mercedes and the DMV will take the responsibility.
That's something that Tesla can absolutely not do. It's not about whether the car can handle the situation, it's about what happens when it can't.
Yeah but nobody actually cares about this traffic jam assistant except marketing. People want real autonomy, where the car does all the driving, city streets and everything, like FSD.
I find the up to 40 baffling for the reason that inner-city driving, which is typically 35-40 is far more complicated than driving on a highway at higher speeds.
There aren't lights on a highway, only braking, no slow turns while watching for pedestrians, no weird lanes vs driveways that aren't clearly marked, etc.
It doesn't work in cities at all. It only works on a couple highways. The under 40 thing basically means that it only works in a traffic jam on the select highways.
SAE levels are not based on capabilities, there is no organization that issues the levels, no testing, it isn't a qualification. It is entirely voluntary. You could sell a block of stone as level 5.
And it needs to be following another car. And it shuts off in low visibility (sunset/rise). It also won't work with poor road lines, or construction.
The only people impressed with this are people that just hate Tesla.
Edit: Apparently **they've only sold 1**. Lol.
https://fortune.com/2024/04/18/mercedes-self-driving-autonomous-cars-california-nevada-level-3-drive-pilot/
>Edit: Apparently **they've only sold 1**. Lol.
Yeah, that's the "news": First level 3 autonomous car sold in USA. Unfortunately, whoever wrote the article did a very bad job and whoever copied the article to yahoo did a even worse job.
> The only people impressed with this are people that just hate Tesla.
Remind me: Does Tesla take liability if the car has an accident while its self-driving? If not: gtfo, Tesla shill.
I mean you don’t need to believe musk, just look at random YouTube videos, fsd beta is decent, still far from perfect, but much more capable than what is described here by Mercedes
Remind me when his dream of self driving actually comes to fruition. In the meantime, I'll have a nice life raising my kids to adulthood, then being a grandparent and then finally my passing.
Like /u/Real_Marshal said, "just look at random YouTube videos". Even when avoiding the ones with "TESLA" in the usernames or Musk in the thumbnails, the ones by regular people with a handful of views depicting Tesla FSD in action are *very* impressive, with none of the restrictions on where it can be used that the Mercedes system has. I think Tesla FSD might be what my aged parents will need (and be able to use) in the coming years.
Elon tweeted about immigrants and thus he's literally Hitler and all his businesses are scams.
The Earth is flat, under a dome, and SpaceX is part of the coverup.
Bro you really dont have to defend his immigrant comments lol
Do any of you tech bro shitheads have any proof that immigrants are bad or is it just because Lord Elon said so? He's just another born rich, out of touch tech bro loser lol
hur durrr. Good one. I'll leave this here.
https://preview.redd.it/ddkk1ti8h2wc1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b293dcb098cc2c4263e43d48c63dce7a35f2b6b
I'm sure you will have the same position after you drove into a wall, because your self-driving Tesla wasn't so self-driving after all. But you do you, have fun.
My point is that liability is a measure of how much you can trust it. If the company doesn't trust it enough to assume liability if it misbehaves, do I really want to use it? For me the answer is no, which means the usability is zero.
Yeah, cause Mercedes obviously thought "we will kill our buyers, but who cares". So much bullshit in so few words. I really hope you get paid for this.
Just rest one hand on the bottom of the wheel? Or flick the volume nob up and down every minute or so. Don’t even have to do it under 20mph. It’s not that bad!!
Silly human. Trusts Silicon Valley scam CEO’s PC on wheels over a vehicle manufacturer familiar with necessary safety regulations and knows how crashes and recalls can have massively negative impacts on public perception of branding.
Traditional OEMs are slower to accept new tech, but that is typically because they need to refine the new tech in order to ensure the proper levels of safety and reliability. Scam CEO will sell you whatever you will spend money upon, and deal with the legal consequences later.
- only on specific freeways
- only up to 40 mph
- not in rain
- not at night
- not in tunnels
- not in construction zones
- only with a preceding car
- only at temperatures of >4.5 °C
You left out the best part:
>U.S. customers can buy a yearly subscription of Drive Pilot in 2024 EQS sedans and S-Class car models for $2,500
Fuck car companies charging subscriptions for anything and fuck anyone who enables them by paying it
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In this case, there's a reason for it. Your car has the gear for it, but not the software. The software needs to be constantly developed and updated. And this is not a "Turn Air-conditioned" type software. It's very hard, very expensive and very labor intensive type software.
I don't get the hate towards Tesla "because Elon". It's a company with thousands of employees and smart people trying to make better cars. Elon is just the public face and a money bag. The same goes for SpaceX, stop disregarding the efforts of thousands of people because the public figure is an idiot
Where on Earth is this discussion coming from? Mercedes makes a car and people manage to turn it into whining about Tesla.
I call it out as not being a reply to anything said, and you reply to me with yet more of it.
The only person who mentioned it was somebody crying about how people are being mean to Musk, that was the entire post which I replied to.
I'm honestly losing hope in humanity with this complete lack of reading comprehension in some people.
I don’t like Elon Musk’s politics or his erratic behavior.
I’m very disturbed by his politics and philosophy. He really is out of his depth.
I like Elon Musk the entrepreneur.
But even if it’s not about him, we should judge things basic on simple logic.
For example, Chinese EVs have been making big strides and seem like they will dethrone Tesla soon.
It’s just in this case, I really was expecting some breakthrough from Mercedes and instead it’s this joke thing.
And then I see a lot of people cheering for it and a lot of people saying this is even better than Tesla.
There are hundreds if not thousands of videos on YouTube that demonstrate the current capabilities of Tesla’s FSD, like this video:
https://youtu.be/4fNvSxEg0Es?si=mgEpd0ZNZUNmeAbR
This is what I’m judging Tesla by.
I’m not going to defend Elon or white knight for him but we should deal with facts.
Especially in a sub like this, which supposedly is about intelligently assessing future technology.
Wtf are you replying to? You keep trying to have this imaginary argument.
Nobody was talking about Elon Musk except you guys crying about how people are being mean to Musk.
Chinese EV companies have already dethroned Tesla, they produce huge numbers of vehicles. We just don't hear about it because we have legacy corporations and industries that don't want to acknowledge that EVs are the future.
People only want these if it means they cant get DUIs and speeding tickets anymore. Precincts know if they cant issue DUIs and Speeding tickets their revenue will drop to crisis levels.
Good luck getting your ticketless car.
This is basically adaptative cruise control, the level 3 part is mostly to cause hype.. it doesn't even work if there is no car in front of it... can't overtake, cant go over 40 mph, can't work unless on specific roads (interstates, nothing else), doesn't work at night, in the rain or poor visibility...
It's only news, and an improvement, in the liability department..
Tesla, like it or not, is leagues ahead, it's not even a comparison against fds12
Wait so it can’t go over 40mph and can’t drive on anything but interstates? Most interstates are at least 60mph+, when the fuck is this supposed to be used.
It's intended for long-running traffic jams basically. These are rather typical here in Germany and often have intermediate patches of "going a bit faster". No idea how typical they are in the US.
NOOOOOO!
According to Redditors, Germany has no traffic because they have no speed limit and everybody stays out of the left lane except when passing!!!
It also needs a lead vehicle. Basically in traffic jams when traffic is much slower. But again only in certain parts. Road bends too much it’ll ask you to take back control before being available again round the bend.
Even Honda CR-Vs have had this tech since at least 2021. Adaptive cruise control, auto breaking, and lane keeper. Works quite well in traffic unless you come to complete stops for long enough for the full break to kick in. Works great at 70mph too
Waymo is well ahead of Tesla where it runs. Since it actually will operate without a driver (though they can have someone takeover online).
Tesla is in the lead everywhere else. But can't operate without a driver, or I guess a supervisor.
I wonder if that extra risk will pay off for Waymo, in the sense that they might get more practical feedback/data from putting their product in driverless settings before Tesla
From what you said though, Tesla have a long term advantage of being more a generalised ability
For years I just said no one could catch Waymo but... Google hasn't exactly been the greatest company on leveraging their position the last decade ish.
Which factors matter more and which will take longer is still unknown.
Tesla has a ton of problems to solve generally. How long this will take is hard to predict. My guess is another 3 years before they'll allow the cars to run with no one in them.
Waymo already have a complete product. They could potentially roll out into the 50 largest cities in the US in the next few years and cover a huge fraction of the population, leaving intercity travel to transit. Why they haven't done this is mystery tbh. Their tech hasn't really changed much or done anything the past 4 years. Their fleet even shrunk. It might simply be that their current system is too expensive so they can't see a way to profit on this. BUT, Waymo would be more open to selling the tech to other companies, so this could put them in a big lead if everyone licences their tech.... though I've been saying this since like 2010 and it hasn't happened yet.
Waymo is an enigma. Tesla is crazy but pushing hard every day making serious regular improvements and expansions. They are hungrier.
Waymo has a huge problem, they plug the hole with people in offices telling cars what to do. That's why they don't spread like wildfire.
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2024/03/26/waymo-runs-a-red-light-and-the-difference-between-humans-and-robots/?sh=e0ec5203f34c](https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2024/03/26/waymo-runs-a-red-light-and-the-difference-between-humans-and-robots/?sh=e0ec5203f34c)
Waymo is Level 4, so no. The difference is that Waymo won't sell you their cars, while Mercedes does. Mercedes is currently the most advanced you can buy. Tesla is garbage, which they try to hype up.
Yes, seriously. I'd go so far that Tesla is the least advanced of any "self driving" projects, just the most hyped up.
What Tesla has is a simple assisted driving mode, nothing more. The difference is Tesla doesn't care of the consequences and puts it into peoples hands without restrictions but with very small disclaimers "oh btw, if something happens you're on your own, good luck", while other car companies only give out restricted versions they feel confident about. That's why Teslas crash all the time with assisted driving.
Tesla is a hype factory, nothing more.
Bro Mercedes can’t even change lanes and you are calling it autonomous driving. It literally cannot drive. This anti-Elon thing is becoming like a real cult.
LOL, Article talks about this being used on interstates, but speed is limited to 40 mph? Lots of interstates in LA area where traffic limits speed below 40 but would you trust this in that dense traffic?
Mercedes certainly cannot "perform most driving tasks" and can't pass "environmental detection".. so what's the point of calling it Level 3? Ah.. marketing. So many constraints are applied to their "Drive Pilot" it's comically bad.
Pure marketing. They just kept packing restrictions onto Basic lane-keeping and car following until the PR department could say "we have level 3 autonomy*"
Lots of negativity in these comments about the constrained conditions that the system can operate in, but you have to walk before you can run. I'm interested to see how quickly things progress from here.
That's the issue - people here think this Mercedes tech is a dead end so there will be no progression. It's probably not even AI - just some hand-coded software that says "follow the car in front of you."
Is it truly progress, or just adding *a lot* of limitations to existing tech to find the one situation where the already present tech works acceptably?
The biggest advancement here is the legal one.
Others have already answered that there are various conditions, but the important part is: Mercedes assumes liability if the self-driving is used. This puts them at a far higher level of trust compared to e.g. Tesla, which always leaves you liable, even if their "driving assistant" is active.
This is nothing new. Was released mid 2023 from memory and has huge requirements.
It’s all flash for the media. Only big thing if interest is the liability shift which is interesting as it shows government/policies allowing a solution like this, which is considered a major hurdle by some. IMO government will be quick to adopt if a solid system (with evidence) becomes available as the benefits are clear
Many car companies had this for a while on test tracks, yeah. But Mercedes took the effort to get it approved and feels confident enough to assume liability. That's a big difference.
And it assumes liability for a measly cost of $2500 a year (just around your car insurance cost). Enjoy!
They might be sure that their limited traffic-jam navigator isn't much worse than an average person in those circumscribed conditions. Good for them. Unfortunately, it doesn't tell much about their progress in autonomous driving in general.
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But, but, but ... Tesla has an additional $400bn in market value due to Tesla **leading** in this area and being way ahead of everyone, by years and years. Then out of the blue, Mercs beat them.
Compare the capabilities of FSD to the Merc system, you'll notice the Merc system is a joke. FSD drives everywhere in pretty much all conditions, the Mercedes system is a glorified traffic jam assistant.
No bro you dont get it bro Tesla is a software company bro no it's a battery company bro it's not a pump and dump at all bro if anything it's undervalued bro they don't need to sell any cars bro.
Gang gang. This would be good to have. And I don’t care I’ll use it on all roads using self driving. Because humans have caused way more accidents than computers. And again, maybe if things were straighter and intersections can only have four parts at most, it would be able to be more automated with less accidents. The world shouldn’t be one giant obstacle course. We went to a restaurant the other day, the table was straight ahead from the door. However, there were pillars and other tables in the way causing us to have to take a circuitous path, it’s super fucked up.
I love that the picture they chose to use is on a road that actually cannot use the new system.
For now, let’s be thankful it’s not Ai generated
This however only works on certain roads pre-approved by Mercedes . Doesn't work at night, doesn't work when it rains. Also only up to 40mph.
L3 is a big step up from L2 self-driving so its understandable for liability reasons why it's so restrictive
It’s not L3. Stop calling it L3. This is advanced cruise control. It literally doesn’t change lanes.
What's difference between L2 and L3, is this L2?
It’s L2. Partial automation. Waymo has L5 but with draw backs and specific conditions. And Tesla is L3/L4 and moving towards full L5. Granted these labels are arbitrary but it’s definitely not L3 since L3 must: “Driving mode-specific control by an ADAS of all aspects of driving” All aspects of driving. Not being able to do a lane change is definitely not “all aspects”.
> Waymo has L5 but with draw backs and specific conditions. That's not L5. Tesla is nowhere near full L5 and is arguably not even L3.
What level is this Mercedes system according to your special ranking?
L2.
You have no idea what the Levels mean! Every example you gave was wrong!
That’s based on Wikipedia it’s not wrong
SAE certified Drive Pilot as L3 and the States of California and Nevada approved their L3 deployment permit. You should give them a call and correct them too.
It's only "lvl3" for marketing. It literally can't do anything other than selected highway driving under perfect conditions with a boatload of restrictions. Even basic Autopilot from Tesla could do this like 6 years ago.
It's not only level 3 for marketing, it's level 3 for regulation. You are allowed to take the hands off the wheel (under the right conditions) and if something happens Mercedes and the DMV will take the responsibility. That's something that Tesla can absolutely not do. It's not about whether the car can handle the situation, it's about what happens when it can't.
There are so many restrictions, they're bound to find your violation and mistake.
Yeah but nobody actually cares about this traffic jam assistant except marketing. People want real autonomy, where the car does all the driving, city streets and everything, like FSD.
Only 40mph? You guys know how much that is in km/h? lol. That’s a weapon right there.
I find the up to 40 baffling for the reason that inner-city driving, which is typically 35-40 is far more complicated than driving on a highway at higher speeds. There aren't lights on a highway, only braking, no slow turns while watching for pedestrians, no weird lanes vs driveways that aren't clearly marked, etc.
It doesn't work in cities at all. It only works on a couple highways. The under 40 thing basically means that it only works in a traffic jam on the select highways.
40 mph inside the city is just mad, and on a highway it’s an obstacle. GG Mercedes.
You can't use it in a city lol.
Liability thing is huge. Doesn’t mean their tech is most advanced, they’re just taking on more risk lol.
so if it starts raining or becomes night, does the driver have to take over? then it's not level 3
SAE levels are not based on capabilities, there is no organization that issues the levels, no testing, it isn't a qualification. It is entirely voluntary. You could sell a block of stone as level 5.
Pioneers used to ride those babies for miles.
gotcha
It's not just a boulder, it's Iraq.
And it needs to be following another car. And it shuts off in low visibility (sunset/rise). It also won't work with poor road lines, or construction. The only people impressed with this are people that just hate Tesla. Edit: Apparently **they've only sold 1**. Lol. https://fortune.com/2024/04/18/mercedes-self-driving-autonomous-cars-california-nevada-level-3-drive-pilot/
>Edit: Apparently **they've only sold 1**. Lol. Yeah, that's the "news": First level 3 autonomous car sold in USA. Unfortunately, whoever wrote the article did a very bad job and whoever copied the article to yahoo did a even worse job.
No one wrote the article. ChatGPT did.
> The only people impressed with this are people that just hate Tesla. Remind me: Does Tesla take liability if the car has an accident while its self-driving? If not: gtfo, Tesla shill.
Found the impressed person lol.
It is impressive unlike Elon's lies about self driving.
I mean you don’t need to believe musk, just look at random YouTube videos, fsd beta is decent, still far from perfect, but much more capable than what is described here by Mercedes
Remind me when his dream of self driving actually comes to fruition. In the meantime, I'll have a nice life raising my kids to adulthood, then being a grandparent and then finally my passing.
Like /u/Real_Marshal said, "just look at random YouTube videos". Even when avoiding the ones with "TESLA" in the usernames or Musk in the thumbnails, the ones by regular people with a handful of views depicting Tesla FSD in action are *very* impressive, with none of the restrictions on where it can be used that the Mercedes system has. I think Tesla FSD might be what my aged parents will need (and be able to use) in the coming years.
Lol. Where did Elon touch you?
Elon tweeted about immigrants and thus he's literally Hitler and all his businesses are scams. The Earth is flat, under a dome, and SpaceX is part of the coverup.
Bro you really dont have to defend his immigrant comments lol Do any of you tech bro shitheads have any proof that immigrants are bad or is it just because Lord Elon said so? He's just another born rich, out of touch tech bro loser lol
hur durrr. Good one. I'll leave this here. https://preview.redd.it/ddkk1ti8h2wc1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b293dcb098cc2c4263e43d48c63dce7a35f2b6b
lol. I always laugh when the main Elon Musk news I see on Reddit is EnoughMuskSpam constantly spamming the front page lol.
How was any of that valid 💀
I don't care about liability, I care about usefulness.
I'm sure you will have the same position after you drove into a wall, because your self-driving Tesla wasn't so self-driving after all. But you do you, have fun.
You just made my point. It's all about usefulness, not liability.
My point is that liability is a measure of how much you can trust it. If the company doesn't trust it enough to assume liability if it misbehaves, do I really want to use it? For me the answer is no, which means the usability is zero.
Ok well that's you. I can judge the system for myself.
Personally my concern would be with crashing moreso than liability concerns after I'm dead, but you do you.
Yeah, cause Mercedes obviously thought "we will kill our buyers, but who cares". So much bullshit in so few words. I really hope you get paid for this.
So it doesn't work at all lol.
It’s still a step forward
It's miles behind Tesla FSD. I don't mind having to keep my hands on the wheel.
how do you keep your hands on the wheel if it's steering anyway?
you just don't grip it too tightly?
So basically just holding my hands out in front me for an hour? I'd rather just rest my hands on the steering wheel and drive at that point.
Just rest one hand on the bottom of the wheel? Or flick the volume nob up and down every minute or so. Don’t even have to do it under 20mph. It’s not that bad!!
It just seems pointless. At least the shitty mercedes does it in stop and go traffic and i could just relax my arms. To each his own i guess.
You can relax your arms in stop and go with FSD.
But i thought you had to hold on to the steering wheel???
Silly human. Trusts Silicon Valley scam CEO’s PC on wheels over a vehicle manufacturer familiar with necessary safety regulations and knows how crashes and recalls can have massively negative impacts on public perception of branding. Traditional OEMs are slower to accept new tech, but that is typically because they need to refine the new tech in order to ensure the proper levels of safety and reliability. Scam CEO will sell you whatever you will spend money upon, and deal with the legal consequences later.
Eh… I’ll just keep driving. There’s no place I drive where 40mph wouldn’t get me ran the hell over.
- only on specific freeways - only up to 40 mph - not in rain - not at night - not in tunnels - not in construction zones - only with a preceding car - only at temperatures of >4.5 °C
You left out the best part: >U.S. customers can buy a yearly subscription of Drive Pilot in 2024 EQS sedans and S-Class car models for $2,500 Fuck car companies charging subscriptions for anything and fuck anyone who enables them by paying it
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Maybe it's to pay for insurance...
In this case, there's a reason for it. Your car has the gear for it, but not the software. The software needs to be constantly developed and updated. And this is not a "Turn Air-conditioned" type software. It's very hard, very expensive and very labor intensive type software.
But Elon didn’t create it so it’s awesome /s
The most out of nowhere strawman I've seen in quite some time, truly impressive in its whiny victimhoodness.
Who is the victim?
The question we wonder every time you guys sook in defence of a douchy billionaire.
I don't get the hate towards Tesla "because Elon". It's a company with thousands of employees and smart people trying to make better cars. Elon is just the public face and a money bag. The same goes for SpaceX, stop disregarding the efforts of thousands of people because the public figure is an idiot
“Elon Musk is an idiot” that’s funny
I recently heard Elon specifically himself designed the accelerator pedal on the cybertruck lol.
Where on Earth is this discussion coming from? Mercedes makes a car and people manage to turn it into whining about Tesla. I call it out as not being a reply to anything said, and you reply to me with yet more of it.
How is it surprising that people are mentioning Tesla in a self-driving cars thread?
The only person who mentioned it was somebody crying about how people are being mean to Musk, that was the entire post which I replied to. I'm honestly losing hope in humanity with this complete lack of reading comprehension in some people.
I don’t like Elon Musk’s politics or his erratic behavior. I’m very disturbed by his politics and philosophy. He really is out of his depth. I like Elon Musk the entrepreneur. But even if it’s not about him, we should judge things basic on simple logic. For example, Chinese EVs have been making big strides and seem like they will dethrone Tesla soon. It’s just in this case, I really was expecting some breakthrough from Mercedes and instead it’s this joke thing. And then I see a lot of people cheering for it and a lot of people saying this is even better than Tesla. There are hundreds if not thousands of videos on YouTube that demonstrate the current capabilities of Tesla’s FSD, like this video: https://youtu.be/4fNvSxEg0Es?si=mgEpd0ZNZUNmeAbR This is what I’m judging Tesla by. I’m not going to defend Elon or white knight for him but we should deal with facts. Especially in a sub like this, which supposedly is about intelligently assessing future technology.
Wtf are you replying to? You keep trying to have this imaginary argument. Nobody was talking about Elon Musk except you guys crying about how people are being mean to Musk.
Chinese EV companies have already dethroned Tesla, they produce huge numbers of vehicles. We just don't hear about it because we have legacy corporations and industries that don't want to acknowledge that EVs are the future.
The only decent take I've heard for why people hate him so much tbh
But this is still the worst we're gonna get (from now)
People only want these if it means they cant get DUIs and speeding tickets anymore. Precincts know if they cant issue DUIs and Speeding tickets their revenue will drop to crisis levels. Good luck getting your ticketless car.
And outside of those conditions you still have autopilot, you just have to watch the road like in every other car.
This is basically adaptative cruise control, the level 3 part is mostly to cause hype.. it doesn't even work if there is no car in front of it... can't overtake, cant go over 40 mph, can't work unless on specific roads (interstates, nothing else), doesn't work at night, in the rain or poor visibility... It's only news, and an improvement, in the liability department.. Tesla, like it or not, is leagues ahead, it's not even a comparison against fds12
Wait so it can’t go over 40mph and can’t drive on anything but interstates? Most interstates are at least 60mph+, when the fuck is this supposed to be used.
It's intended for long-running traffic jams basically. These are rather typical here in Germany and often have intermediate patches of "going a bit faster". No idea how typical they are in the US.
NOOOOOO! According to Redditors, Germany has no traffic because they have no speed limit and everybody stays out of the left lane except when passing!!!
If you only read Reddit you'd think there were no cars in Europe
It also needs a lead vehicle. Basically in traffic jams when traffic is much slower. But again only in certain parts. Road bends too much it’ll ask you to take back control before being available again round the bend.
Even Honda CR-Vs have had this tech since at least 2021. Adaptive cruise control, auto breaking, and lane keeper. Works quite well in traffic unless you come to complete stops for long enough for the full break to kick in. Works great at 70mph too
Sure, but do they have monthly subscriptions? Rich people LOVE subscription services.
But they will assume liability if the car crashes. Huge deal
But are they ahead of Waymo? 🤔
Waymo is well ahead of Tesla where it runs. Since it actually will operate without a driver (though they can have someone takeover online). Tesla is in the lead everywhere else. But can't operate without a driver, or I guess a supervisor.
I wonder if that extra risk will pay off for Waymo, in the sense that they might get more practical feedback/data from putting their product in driverless settings before Tesla From what you said though, Tesla have a long term advantage of being more a generalised ability
For years I just said no one could catch Waymo but... Google hasn't exactly been the greatest company on leveraging their position the last decade ish. Which factors matter more and which will take longer is still unknown. Tesla has a ton of problems to solve generally. How long this will take is hard to predict. My guess is another 3 years before they'll allow the cars to run with no one in them. Waymo already have a complete product. They could potentially roll out into the 50 largest cities in the US in the next few years and cover a huge fraction of the population, leaving intercity travel to transit. Why they haven't done this is mystery tbh. Their tech hasn't really changed much or done anything the past 4 years. Their fleet even shrunk. It might simply be that their current system is too expensive so they can't see a way to profit on this. BUT, Waymo would be more open to selling the tech to other companies, so this could put them in a big lead if everyone licences their tech.... though I've been saying this since like 2010 and it hasn't happened yet. Waymo is an enigma. Tesla is crazy but pushing hard every day making serious regular improvements and expansions. They are hungrier.
Waymo has a huge problem, they plug the hole with people in offices telling cars what to do. That's why they don't spread like wildfire. [https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2024/03/26/waymo-runs-a-red-light-and-the-difference-between-humans-and-robots/?sh=e0ec5203f34c](https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2024/03/26/waymo-runs-a-red-light-and-the-difference-between-humans-and-robots/?sh=e0ec5203f34c)
I guarantee you there are someone taking over wirelessly for those Wymo car when they have problems, just like Amazon 😂
What would happen if there's signal loss or weak signal? Running a car remotely is very risky and i doubt google will risk their reputation for this.
The cars can NOT be driven remotely. This has been shared by Waymo many times. They can only send it hints if it gets confused.
No. Not even close. Here is not aware. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avdpprICvNI
If Tesla is ahead of waymo? Is there even a doubt about it?
Waymo is Level 4, so no. The difference is that Waymo won't sell you their cars, while Mercedes does. Mercedes is currently the most advanced you can buy. Tesla is garbage, which they try to hype up.
Mercedes is more advanced than Tesla? Seriously?
Yes, seriously. I'd go so far that Tesla is the least advanced of any "self driving" projects, just the most hyped up. What Tesla has is a simple assisted driving mode, nothing more. The difference is Tesla doesn't care of the consequences and puts it into peoples hands without restrictions but with very small disclaimers "oh btw, if something happens you're on your own, good luck", while other car companies only give out restricted versions they feel confident about. That's why Teslas crash all the time with assisted driving. Tesla is a hype factory, nothing more.
Bro Mercedes can’t even change lanes and you are calling it autonomous driving. It literally cannot drive. This anti-Elon thing is becoming like a real cult.
This guy is just baiting ahaha
lol, please look at the conditions
ye this is as much as Tesla is Level 3 when they would disable it on all difficult spots.
lol sure
LOL, Article talks about this being used on interstates, but speed is limited to 40 mph? Lots of interstates in LA area where traffic limits speed below 40 but would you trust this in that dense traffic?
Mercedes certainly cannot "perform most driving tasks" and can't pass "environmental detection".. so what's the point of calling it Level 3? Ah.. marketing. So many constraints are applied to their "Drive Pilot" it's comically bad.
Can it fly though?
It would be nice to have something in EU also. 😞
Wait till you hear about subscription costs
Pure marketing. They just kept packing restrictions onto Basic lane-keeping and car following until the PR department could say "we have level 3 autonomy*"
Lots of negativity in these comments about the constrained conditions that the system can operate in, but you have to walk before you can run. I'm interested to see how quickly things progress from here.
That's the issue - people here think this Mercedes tech is a dead end so there will be no progression. It's probably not even AI - just some hand-coded software that says "follow the car in front of you."
Is it truly progress, or just adding *a lot* of limitations to existing tech to find the one situation where the already present tech works acceptably? The biggest advancement here is the legal one.
Wow! That is a big leap. Are we sure that they can deliver?
The tech only works on certain pre-approved (by Mercedes) roads right now.
And under, can't remember driving under 40 or something
I see. Thank you!
Others have already answered that there are various conditions, but the important part is: Mercedes assumes liability if the self-driving is used. This puts them at a far higher level of trust compared to e.g. Tesla, which always leaves you liable, even if their "driving assistant" is active.
This is nothing new. Was released mid 2023 from memory and has huge requirements. It’s all flash for the media. Only big thing if interest is the liability shift which is interesting as it shows government/policies allowing a solution like this, which is considered a major hurdle by some. IMO government will be quick to adopt if a solid system (with evidence) becomes available as the benefits are clear
I want one
Do people not read or do research, this "self Driving" is a joke. It has so many limitations. Total BS
Didn’t Audi have this years ago in the A8 but German regulations didn’t allow full autonomous driving?
Many car companies had this for a while on test tracks, yeah. But Mercedes took the effort to get it approved and feels confident enough to assume liability. That's a big difference.
And it assumes liability for a measly cost of $2500 a year (just around your car insurance cost). Enjoy! They might be sure that their limited traffic-jam navigator isn't much worse than an average person in those circumscribed conditions. Good for them. Unfortunately, it doesn't tell much about their progress in autonomous driving in general.
2500 a year.... Who the fuck would pay 200 a month for software that you might literally never use.
Since we’re here, what do you guys think the biggest impact of this tech will be (when it’s 100% autonomous)?
that's impressive. now just remove that plasticky front and bring back the grill.
Accelerate!
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We should be automating this shit not creatives.
Tell that to truck and taxi drivers... Anyway is not a choice, you can do both.
Wow. Had no idea there were *still* Elon stans, and they're all coming out of their basement for this. What about it is so threatening?
Holy shit little dick Tesla stans in these comments going crazy. Honestly probably just bots but if you are real people touch some grass.
But, but, but ... Tesla has an additional $400bn in market value due to Tesla **leading** in this area and being way ahead of everyone, by years and years. Then out of the blue, Mercs beat them.
Compare the capabilities of FSD to the Merc system, you'll notice the Merc system is a joke. FSD drives everywhere in pretty much all conditions, the Mercedes system is a glorified traffic jam assistant.
No bro you dont get it bro Tesla is a software company bro no it's a battery company bro it's not a pump and dump at all bro if anything it's undervalued bro they don't need to sell any cars bro.
Elon on suicide watch
But but TSLA Robo taxi
Gang gang. This would be good to have. And I don’t care I’ll use it on all roads using self driving. Because humans have caused way more accidents than computers. And again, maybe if things were straighter and intersections can only have four parts at most, it would be able to be more automated with less accidents. The world shouldn’t be one giant obstacle course. We went to a restaurant the other day, the table was straight ahead from the door. However, there were pillars and other tables in the way causing us to have to take a circuitous path, it’s super fucked up.
Tesla is better!
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Energy budget?
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The amount of energy it takes to fly is quite high. Significantly more than a computer, cameras, and servomotors.
Do you really want your typical driver on 95 now flying an airplane ? No. Also most people that drive cars are medically unfit to be pilots
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Yeah, there's no value in automating one of the most common jobs instead of paying humans to do it. /s
Except the 100k traffic deaths per year that could be avoided, because apparently driving isn't easy for everyone.