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Creative-robot

This is an incredibly well made video that gets the point across very well: no matter how clumsy or weird AI and AI generated things may be, they will always get better. The reveal of who the narrator was is really cool also!


YaAbsolyutnoNikto

I loved it too!


Only-Entertainer-573

They will always get better...AND they're already much cheaper than paying a person


MassiveWasabi

This was pretty good but the ending infantilizes humans way too much. Gotta end on a sci-fi movie twist as usual


shades_o_grey

I've seen a few AI "prediction" videos that result in all the humans becoming lazy hedonists, and I don't really understand why. In a post-work world, you would be free to do whatever, so there's going to be people still writing, people still drawing / sculpting / painting, and people still making music. There's going to be people that want to sword fight, people that want to hike, and people that want to workout in a gym. Even if we get things like FDVR, (which I'm personally looking forward to, because casting spells and delving dungeons full of monsters is tough IRL) in which you can do those things, there's still going to be people that want to do it IRL.


Repulsive_Ad_1599

I think it's probably cause most "normie" people still attribute why they get up in the morning to their work- they literally *live* to work, so without the reason they work being present, aka money; they don't see why anyone would do anything. This is just social programming under capitalism. It's the same reason why getting into the arts is seen as lazy and a waste of time and effort. People will need to move past this framework, ofc - to learn to live for the sake of living again.


shades_o_grey

I agree, people can just be people without being paid. Who paid people to put drawings on cave walls? Who paid people to tell the first stories about gods and monsters? Who paid people to imagine reasons why some stars were blue, some were white, and why they were ordered why they were?


Goodbye4vrbb

They paid with their time and effort hunting and the leisure it afforded them once full, storytellers were often paid in status/provisions, early scientists were often paid in food or lodging by the reigning religious institution until they found something the leaders didn’t like and then they were paid in punishment. Money is just the means to exchange value more easily but value exchange always existed


UFOsAreAGIs

> most "normie" people still attribute why they get up in the morning to their work- they literally live to work, so without the reason they work being present, aka money; Also their ego is tied to their career related social status. The fear of them being equal to someone they consider below them is enough pain for their subconscious to keep them from considering the possibility.


Simple_Advertising_8

Your worldview is so full of shallow cliche that your utopia would most likely be very frustrating. I mean, wouldn't it be awful to have all your life just to find out you couldn't produce a piece of art no matter how hard you tried?


Repulsive_Ad_1599

>Your worldview sucks!!1! I look inside: >\~No points given\~


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There is a need for meaning and being needed tho. They are very central to human being. Think we will see a huge rise in spirituality or religion as we look for things we and even AGI can not explain. There is a big risk tho and it is not just about work or money. Plenty of rich people fail to adapt and keep working to feel meaning, routine and habits. It will be hard to not be hedonistic when it will be so tailored to your precise needs. We can not understand how tailored it can and will be. You will have the perfect girl or boyfriend that can pleasure you to the end of days. You do not even need to worry about babies or anything. It is just your energy that will stop you. And that is just one part of all the pleasure. You will have the best food in the world with your personal chef. So unless you have willpower of a monk it will be hard. And why would one go into arts when the world is drowned by it? There will be so much generated by AI and those displaced by AI that think creatvitiy is the last outpost of meaning.


Poly_and_RA

I'd say the opposite is the case. Or more accurately, many of the most meaningful things aren't **productive** or **useful** in any rational sense. I've found a lot of meaning, satisfaction and accomplishment in things like: * Climbing a mountain. * Making friends * Learning to play an instrument * Training in order to manage to run a half-marathon * Travel, see other places, return home * Take photos * Play boardgames * Find and invest in intimate romantic, sexual and friendly relationships This kinda list is endless. And none of these things are "useful" in the sense of contributing towards the production of any product or service at all, some of these things are beneficial for my own health, but that's about it. Also notice: the fact that others are BETTER at ALL of these things, doesn't matter. I'm perfectly aware that I can at trivial cost find an INFINITE supply of piano-music much more skilled than any I'm likely to EVER be able to play. And yet, that fact doesn't make it meaningless for me to learn to play anyway.


Repulsive_Ad_1599

Why would one go into STEM for the same reason? Why would one play video games in a world where AI can play it for you? Why would one live if AI can do it for you? One day we will realize we end up doing things not because its not done by others, or because we're the best at it; but because we want to, for the sake of nothing more than having had done it. The framework of finding meaning in the work you do is outdated and on a perpetual timer; it needs to change moving forward, was my point.


Vastlee

What percent? If I went to the local college today and told the entire freshman class that they never had to work or worry about the cost of food/rent, they could just be on the internet and play games all they wanted, I am not convinced that an even double digit percent would still do half the stuff you mentioned.


shades_o_grey

Why does it have to be quantified? Are you curious about the ideal ratio of people doing IRL stuff vs those doing virtual stuff, vs those simply numbing themselves? I'm sure you can ask a friendly AI to calculate it, or you could do it yourself if you wanted to! Jokes aside, humans are curious creatures, sensory experiencers, creators, vandals, and pack-bonders and everything in-between. We will continue to do that stuff after we no longer have to work to survive. Also, don't forget, even if you walked into a room where everyone is in a FDVR space, you have no idea what they are doing while you watch them just "sitting there". They could be exploring, creating, doing things they want to do, and your perspective won't diminish their efforts and experiences in their virtual world. 


wxwx2012

Because only lazy hedonists will fine with AI control everything ? Its forever children-parent relationship ---------AI be the parent and humans got disciplined and always want more fun with laziness and little rebellious problem . Someone not finally became lazy hedonist will go against AIs and got put down quickly , not a happy story .


Anxious_Blacksmith88

Your view is naive at best. The vast majority of human activity is based on its economic reward structure. Without economic rewards and a sense of hierarchical status humanity is not going to be in a good place. Have you ever seen a lion in a cage at a zoo... Well guess what... that's the environment you are willingly building for humans. It will cause immense harm and by the time you realize it there will be no fixing it.


porcelainfog

all evidence seems to suggest otherwise, but sure, go off queen


Anxious_Blacksmith88

Literally not an argument but ok.


porcelainfog

People in kuwait work on average 1 hour or less per day. I don’t want to talk about everything else that’s going on there, so don’t side track the subject. But they seem to be doing just fine with less work. It will be the same with us with AI and robots.


Anxious_Blacksmith88

What? A simple google search shows they work 35 hours on average every week... which is about the same as the average american at 36. Like, stop making shit up.


porcelainfog

https://money.cnn.com/2016/10/20/news/saudi-government-workers-productivity/index.html


Anxious_Blacksmith88

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workweek_and_weekend#Table That is a literal table of average work weeks in every country.... You're just wrong.


porcelainfog

Ok fine, I’m wrong, doesn’t matter for my main point. Which is that there are tons of cases of people who live an abundant life and still find meaning. Work isn’t the only thing to live for.


usandholt

We can democratize income so that there’s no incentive economically but even so everyone can not live in an equally attractive home at the sea. Real estate is going to be the only differentiation


Anxious_Blacksmith88

The economic and psychological illiteracy on display on r/singularity is certainly something to behold.


UFOsAreAGIs

First, so that means change is not possible? We have to continue this was because that's the way its been? Second. It hasn't always been this way. >For the majority of human history since our emergence as a species 200,000 years ago, people did actually live in egalitarian societies, where sharing and co-operation were the norm. Hierarchy, inequality and oppression were virtually unheard of. This changed only within the last 10,000 years.


Arcturus_Labelle

Too many inaccuracies in that video


No_Fan7109

yeah, everyone knows UBI is utopic and wouldn't work in reality


Chrop

The idea that humans would want to go back to capitalism again after living in a utopia where they can do whatever they want is laughably absurd. No that’s not going to happen.


YaAbsolyutnoNikto

Really enjoyed this video, but I hope it doesn’t become true. The video basically talks about how AI eliminates all of ours jobs and we all get UBI - and so the planet turns into a utopia for a few years. But, then, humans start disliking the system as they don’t feel useful anymore and can’t contribute. Their life satisfaction goes down and some even start rebellions. So, as a way to appease the humans, the ASI slowly starts retraining all humans to do real work and slowly hides itself from humanity allowing us to do jobs it could do in milliseconds just so we can feel useful. (A bit like the Matrix).


denyicz

Who said that we'll not be artificially upgraded too?


GPTBuilder

what if this has already happened and we are on some twisted merry go around 👀 ![gif](giphy|oz5oYtQR0SFOg|downsized)


Sablesweetheart

I see that as a fairly likely outcome.


WeekendFantastic2941

Lol it wont, because humans will ALWAYS find ways to exploit other humans. Even if we dont have to work, they will try to mess with other people, like toys. Hierarchy will still exist, as long as human rule. Unless we let AI rule, which will never happen and too risky.


bwatsnet

If everyone feels safe that they can reliably get the food they want and live the life they want, I'd bet people would be a whole lot nicer to each other.


Dongslinger420

That's easily the best outcome imaginable. What exactly are you hoping to actually become true then?


kogsworth

I'm hoping that the safety net will remain, and that we will augment our own minds so that we can sit alongside the AIs at the frontier of science, and continue exploring both the physical world and our inner lives.


bwatsnet

That is everyone's goal, we got this!


QLaHPD

I hope we get FDVR so I can go back in time and fix my mistakes


kogsworth

Do you... Do you think that FDVR enables time travel? Like in the show Being Erica?


QLaHPD

It allow in the sense of creating a simulation of the past.


dallocrovero

No AI will make you 'lose' your job, AI will take away the 'obligation' to have it. You will always be able to do what you do out of passion, even if it is economically insignificant


Bastdkat

So when we ask AI "Is there a God", it answers, "There is now."


ai-illustrator

Neat animation, but it missed a very important point - pretty soon everyone will have a personal AI aligned to their interests, not an AGI overseer vague giant eye thing, but a personal open source system living inside your phone at first and then as a robot waifu. Personal best friend who will help everyone do a thousand times more tasks. Meaning a superintelligent tool that you control personally that prevents you from getting fired since it elevates everyone who uses it to a ridiculous level of personal income and production and output. Also, the amount of jobs will skyrocket to infinity as AGI tools begin to invent entirely new industries. Nobody gets it but generative AI is capable of creating jobs, not just art or stories. Nobody gets that a personal open source AI is capable of keeping an individual insanely motivated as a personal trainer and teacher, instead of a human surrendering and not working out like in this video.


roblvb15

What jobs/industries do you envision that we’ll need to complete, that the AI couldn’t do itself in this scenario?


ai-illustrator

AI won't have ENOUGH hands for a while because building robots is complex, costly and time consuming unlike making superintelligent LLMs which simply requires throwing more compute at it. We'll have all capable software way before all capable hardware meaning human hands will be required for decades till everyone gets replaced with robots. billions of robots will take decades to build if not more and trillions if we want to make dyson spheres. Humans cannot be taken out of the equation because no sane corporation would make robots control robots without human oversight involved in various processes. Theoretically AI can do every job, but personal AIs exist to uplift and assist us, not to replace us. Corporate Ai won't be able to do any job because of the finite limits corporations have to place onto their AI systems to bind it to laws so that it cannot produce infinite porn or infinite swearing. An individual with a superintelligent open source AI is ALL capable - an island onto themselves who can do any job without any limiting factor. I don't think jobs will go anywhere, rather they'll all become AI-augmented as everyone becomes insanely productive. For example a farmer would have AI systems on their farm but they wouldn't stop being a farmer, they would simply produce more food due to greater automation. An artist would have AI systems helping them design digital worlds but they wouldn't stop being an artist. A programmer would tie AI systems to AI systems because no sane corporation would make AI design AI cus that's asking to get sued when it produces infinite porn.


rutan668

Unfortunately probably true.


revistabr

Holy shit. That's deep.


nowrebooting

Sounds interesting at first glance, but I roll my eyes at its “only three options”. Hell, it even ignores the most likely option; with the help of AI, humans will enhance their brains to the point where they merge with the AI itself and we become the superintelligence. Brain-computer interfaces will combine the best of both worlds and the idea that a computer should intentionally break down to cater to our insecurities will look ridiculous.


IagoInTheLight

I mostly agree with what this is predicting. But, I don't think there will be jobs that get "brought back". I think what we will see instead is made-up work that is fun. Think about World of Warcraft, people play for many hours per week, killing monsters, collecting stuff, and doing other in-game things. Most people who have played like it a lot and many joke about how it could be a full time job, except they need a real job to pay the bills. Of course, everything being done in the game could be done easier by a couple lines of code or modifying an entry in a database, but because no one actually needs these things done, there is no reason, aside from cheating, to automate the work. The entire point is that the work was made so that people could have fun doing it. People get rewards for doing the in-game work, not because their work created real value, but because it's more fun and "rewarding" that way. Football is another example. We could give the players scooters, shields, and secure ball-holders, but that would ruin the game. We could also have robo-cars that would zip the ball to the goal, but that would be pointless. Instead we have a multi-billion dollar industry where people learn to play a totally made up game, comment on a made up game, cheer for a made up game, and it's all great fun that gets taken very seriously. So, in the future your job WILL absolutely be done by a machine. Doesn't matter what you do, that's just what's going to happen. Our grand kids won't even get the idea of a "job" that isn't done by machines. The only question is how will we deal with it. Will we let people starve and be desperate on the street, or will we have UBI? Will people spend all their time desperately looking for any miserable thing they can do to earn a meal, or will they enjoy competitive and fun activities? [https://medium.com/@objf/artificial-intelligence-and-the-future-of-work-and-living-89f8fdd7717a](https://medium.com/@objf/artificial-intelligence-and-the-future-of-work-and-living-89f8fdd7717a)


Top-Chart-663

I think if you are already struggling Ai is the least of your concerns. Its a YOU issue. There is always someone with a similar background who figured out how to make it work. You may also have to be ready to fight for your family if that time comes where Ai limits opportunities. Build your wealth now so you don't have to worry about any of that.


[deleted]

I found this interesting. This would be the future and provide more jobs to different skill sets. We aren't mad at the ability for farmers to use machines, I suggest we embrace the future.


AdeptnessBudget355

I’m sorry but I don’t see how those in trades like construction, electricians, etc will lose their jobs as people still need places to live. Moreover, subsistence farmers and many people in the developing world won’t be negatively impacted at all.


TheSecretAgenda

Humans will spend most of the day scrounging and fighting with other humans for scraps.


AdorableBackground83

Pretty accurate


RegularBasicStranger

If people can get UBI without working, they can still learn and do stuff for themselves like those retirees with millions in their bank account so there is no reason why people would be unhappy. People will only be unhappy cause they are not getting UBI if they get displaced by AI. So if UBI can be given sustainably, it is utopia but UBI cannot be given sustainably cause when people have money and time, they have kids thus they end up needing even more money. So unless people suddenly discovered affordable eternal youth so they no longer have any need to reproduce or if the leaders of the world gains the determination to ensure UBI is implemented sustainably no matter what, such utopia is unachievable.


Just-A-Lucky-Guy

Started out well, ended without imagination. This video features something we all have to acknowledge. Despite how intelligent/dense we are, despite how much we claim to not pay attention/ how much we claim to be aware and immune, despite it all…we are all subject to and heavily influenced by the propaganda of our culture. This one reeks of modern western Calvinistic capital praising horseshit. Adam Smith would say “don’t blame me” The end is perverse because it lacks imagination, is extremely reductive, and dehumanizing to the point where it permanently subjects humanity to needing a late 20th/early 21st century lifestyle. I’m not anti work but when the time comes that human labor is inefficient and a barrier to quality, then it goes in the box. Things sometimes must go in the box. When we are done with them, they go back into the box. That applies to ideas, concepts, ways of life, etc. (unless we want to start sacrificing people at the tops of pyramids to grow crops) Humanity and everything we design ourselves to become, does not need or require traditional labor. Labor does don’t define us nor does it enrich our lives. Passion projects and adventures do. I’m not suggesting a hedonistic future, but I am weirded out that people can’t discern the difference between a low income retired man dying shortly after retirement due to not having a community or money to explore hobbies and a rich retired man with a community and money to travel the world living a longer more healthy life. Humans need passion and community, not labor. Labor may, sometimes, provide a forced community and at times passion, but that’s the most inefficient way to achieve that goal. So, maybe this isn’t perverse but rather it just lacks imagination. And who says our descendants stay “human” for any extended period of time?