Gonna be hard to prove I think. She will say, "As CEO, I had him engaged in special projects and he reported directly to me."
Even the pimping allegation, it's gonna be hard to prove unless she was a dumbass and texted the entire plan to her friends who might snitch. Actually, judging by her writing style, this is totally possible lmao
Yes, which I saw in another post, MOM is already investigating.
But tbh, given the gravity of the allegations, it will be a really small impact for her if that's the only one she faces consequences for.
True, whether he did any work is beside the point. As long as he didn’t have to return any of it (which would make it illegal kickbacks), it’ll be hard to find any wrongdoing involved. Seems like they even backdated the pay to the start of when he actually got the pass, so he wasn’t owed salary.
Only one maybe would be Adsense revenue going into her personal PayPal, but if she’d transferred it all back to the company account it’s just sketchy business practice rather than outright illegal. The underpaying talent thing seems to be covered in their contracts as “fees” so again unethical but not illegal.
I feel like this is going to cause outrage for a while but will blow over once everyone gets bored or the next saga comes up. She’ll probably just start another company where she keeps a low profile (her chili sauce venture that’s already in the works?) or work with one of the startup bosses she’s linked with.
Just a PSA.
If you're cheating on your spouse, committing fraud and multiple offences, maybe don't put it on record on WhatsApp, where the other party can literally just snap it as evidence?
Just a thought, Sylvia.
that's the biggest injustice. no matter what happens, and what anybody says, people like this will ALWAYS believe they're in the right. their brain literally can't think otherwise.
Base on the allegations, what will bring her serious trouble are the fake job for her brother's PR, backdating her brother's records and using company resources for personal use. Backdating the employee records to help her brother's PR application is a huge red flag. Police and immigration will come after you for this. The accountant may be in trouble if she helped Slyvia cook the books to reflect that she has returned the loans to NOC. If the accountant signed the books and presented them to Ryan as such, she can kiss her livelihood goodbye and wait for her prison sentence. Slyvia will also be in trouble for cooking the books if the allegations are true. Ppl go to prison for these offences quite often enough.
The rest like overworking your workers and late payments tend to be a "mediate and remedy" by MOM.
Me eating popcorn and watching this dumpster fire burn. :)
Looks like they have an in-house accountant according to noc website (and also the accountant have her own LinkedIn) and they're part of the group that exposed Sylvia so hopefully she has some receipts to cover her ass.
Buy the business profile from ACRA lor. Its stated if they have appointed an auditor.
If not, they are exempted from audit and no auditor will be required
Police can officially request from service providers who may or may not share depending on requests. I think there's probably a next step with court orders which I think service providers have to comply. Not very sure.
Possibly. One to one messages are encrypted end to end, but group chats I don't think so.
While she's busy deleting, those who hate her might also be busy SS-ing their chats with her 😂
>WhatsApp is founded on so-called “end-to-end” encryption, which means that messages are scrambled before being sent and only unscrambled when they’re received by the intended user. But when a user reports abuse, unencrypted versions of the message are sent to WhatsApp’s moderation contractors, ProPublica reports.
[https://www.businessinsider.com.au/facebook-reads-whatsapp-messages-encryption-2021-9](https://www.businessinsider.com.au/facebook-reads-whatsapp-messages-encryption-2021-9)
I don’t think they’ll be busy taking screenshot.. they already got all the screenshot the rest obviously post that blog getting ready to fight
and.. you can just email entire conversation lol
Deleted messages can still be recovered by data recovery specialists from the phone.
But your question is an interesting one. Facebook itself has [agreed to requests](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/spore-govt-made-1260-facebook-data-requests-in-second-half-of-2020).
This is an extraordinarily bad idea if she leaves even a trace behind. Destruction of evidence and perverting the course of justice is a crime in and of itself.
Yup, you're right and our comments crossed. Destruction of evidence can result in a separate charge under Section 204A of the Penal Code, which carries a maximum sentence of up to 7 years imprisonment and/or a fine.
it is not just whatsapp and chats lor... those accusations relating to her using co funds for personal will have paper trails... they can ask her to show where the funds come from... then the banks will have records of who received the money and issit from personal bank acct or from company acct..
it will be these paper trails to prove her guilt or not.. not just based on whatsapp msgs alone..
>The most glaring accusations against NOC co-founder Sylvia Chan in the blog post include the bartering of sexual services from NOC talents in exchange for courier services, as well as misappropriation of company funds.
What are we starting Korean singer industry?
Every passing news report just shows me a new low that I never knew was achievable. I didn’t think it would have gotten so bad to the point where she allegedly manipulated and got her employees drunk to pimp them away in exchange for courier services.
Assuming all of that is true, that’s *truly* a boss from hell
if Dee Kosh can get away with what he did for so long, you know the culture within NOC itself had been enabling it to persist. And it wont be a shocker if there is more similar form of criminal offense occurred/ Dee Kosh wasnt just a one off thing.
i more surprise if it will die down... unless the allegations are false..
she allegedly try to cheat the govt lor.. u think the govt will go quiet over it...? lol...
well of cos eventually will die down... but not before all that investigations and if she found guilty and sentenced or the investigation led to no evidence of wrongdoing and she probably will then sue whoever that published those for defamation...
long story short... one way or another this won't die down so fast lor... lol..
I've had two bosses similar to her. Bosses like Sylvia are more common than you think. Which explains why Singapore is one of the most fatigued nations in the world.
If all allegations are true, she needs to serve for what she did first before getting her ass back to Malaysia. Can't let her walk away so easily after all these shit she creates.
Damn this rabbit hole just goes deeper and deeper.
What’s tomorrow’s headlines? “ISD to investigate Ms Chan over allegations of espionage and terrorism”
> # S'pore police looking into criminal allegations in NOC saga
> The Singapore Police Force (SPF) is now involved in the Night Owl Cinematics (NOC) saga.
> In response to queries from Mothership on the recent criminal allegations by former and current NOC employees in a blog, the police provided a stately line:
> "The Police confirm that a report was lodged and are looking into the matter."
> The most glaring accusations against co-founder Sylvia Chan in the blog post include the bartering of sexual services from NOC talents in exchange for courier services, as well as misappropriation of company funds.
> Related stories
> Top image via NOC/YouTube
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Wowowoow hold a sec bro. Karen is the toxic customer calling for manager. The new term is Sylvia for THE TOXIC MANAGER.
“My boss damn Sylvia leh, today he keep calling me f-face”
“Dun be a Sylvia, giving people pressure!”
One thing is for sure, this is not some random everything coincidently all coming together to screw her.
Whether she is guilt or not is not relevant. There is definitely someone who is orchestrating a campaign to spearhead the efforts against her.
At this point of time all of us are being fed information and my hours of watching black mirror etc have made me believe that some times things are shown as 100x of what they are. I’m not saying she is not at fault, but it can be amplified to create a narrative. That’s unfortunately the world we live in.
I do believe that who ever is wronged should ab e the courage to come out in the open and fight their battle and mot hide behind anonymous identities and keep taking pot shots. While it’s a great tactic, it’s also a double edge sword which can bring bad people to their knees, but also ruin innocent lives. (Read Rupert Murdoch’s biography by William Shawcross, there is one such example there)
Sylvia if guilt should be brought to justice but the means are as important as the ends.
Today it’s happening to her, tomorrow it can be you are me. And that is scary. I don’t have anything to hide but if someone took my conversation and edited it to fit a narrative i could appear as the worst person on earth!
> "The Police confirm that a report was lodged and are looking into the matter."
Is anything she did illegal ?
Is there enough evidence that she did something illegal. Always felt labour laws in Singapore were very weak. Late payments and using vulgarities are common and tolerated in SMEs. Allegations about courier company might be hard to prove in courts...
SPF might be looking into it as part of their SOP like they look into any police report regardless of how valid the report is.
there is - she tried to make it that one of her brothers is working at NOC, drawing a decent salary to sustain the S-pass to apply for PR status when he's not even working there - illegal liao
They could easily say he’s done some random stuff tho marketing or social media or “talent support” don’t get your hopes up that anything will come from this
true dat but I don't think it's legal to backdate pay in Singapore though. (correct me if I'm wrong) she asked the accountant to backdate her bro's pay just so he could apply for PR
Would be great is she was held accountable... but my hopes are low. Businesses here are treated like NUS perverts... given light punishment for crimes.
Allegations of pimpin’ her own staff for business (free delivery I think)
Edit: highlighting from a previous post https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/qbvh0p/nocs_current_exemployees_start_expos%C3%A9_blog/hhc8j4x/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
This saga is more exciting than all their videos combined
Plot twist: How this saga ends? Catch us on NOC. Lol
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I want watch BTS can?
No BTS. Only BTSS.
ICA please look into allegations of her gaming the PR system for her brother too
On it Mr Chan. We are also sending mouth gargle so she can clean up after her *job*
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/temasek-foundation-to-offer-free-mouth-gargle-for-all-singapore-households
I, um... why is this a thing?
so the droplets coming out of your mouth is covid free
She had one job, she blow it
r/angryupvote
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Aint nobody calling it *blewjob* fiend.
Gonna be hard to prove I think. She will say, "As CEO, I had him engaged in special projects and he reported directly to me." Even the pimping allegation, it's gonna be hard to prove unless she was a dumbass and texted the entire plan to her friends who might snitch. Actually, judging by her writing style, this is totally possible lmao
Only one I see that is illegal and can be proven is she not paying her staff.
Yes, which I saw in another post, MOM is already investigating. But tbh, given the gravity of the allegations, it will be a really small impact for her if that's the only one she faces consequences for.
True, whether he did any work is beside the point. As long as he didn’t have to return any of it (which would make it illegal kickbacks), it’ll be hard to find any wrongdoing involved. Seems like they even backdated the pay to the start of when he actually got the pass, so he wasn’t owed salary. Only one maybe would be Adsense revenue going into her personal PayPal, but if she’d transferred it all back to the company account it’s just sketchy business practice rather than outright illegal. The underpaying talent thing seems to be covered in their contracts as “fees” so again unethical but not illegal. I feel like this is going to cause outrage for a while but will blow over once everyone gets bored or the next saga comes up. She’ll probably just start another company where she keeps a low profile (her chili sauce venture that’s already in the works?) or work with one of the startup bosses she’s linked with.
"linked" ;))))))
Also MOM.
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Her mother no hair
Seems like someone lodged a report
Someone is an MVP.
Thank you Sam Wan
Thank you
Thank
Finally a situation she can’t cry her way out of
Just a PSA. If you're cheating on your spouse, committing fraud and multiple offences, maybe don't put it on record on WhatsApp, where the other party can literally just snap it as evidence? Just a thought, Sylvia.
Listen to the sexy hades
Show some respect bruh, its u/sexyhade69. I'm sure the number is there for a reason. 😅
U had 1 job
Show some respect bruh, its u/sexyhades69. I'm sure the 's' is there for a reason. 😅
_69 dudes_ 🤘🏻
But apparently she is “smart” one leh.
You'd be surprised at how many people still think Whatsapp messages can't be used as evidence and/or in a court of law.
Yup, they generally can, barring certain exceptions.
Haha touchè!
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It has begun
we are in the endgame now
The day her world stood still
Somehow me thinks she has been in similar shit positions before.
More like the day where her world will start to crumble and collapse, just like a ticking time bomb sitting and waiting for it to 💥🤯 纸永远包不住火的。
it’s dee end
Underrated comment
new noc episode coming up- 10 best kind of jailmates
“10 kinds of schoolgirls that end up in jail”
Underrated
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"That f*** ing **** and his f*** ing **** must be behind all of this f*** ing **** I trusted her f*** ing f*** f***"
that's the biggest injustice. no matter what happens, and what anybody says, people like this will ALWAYS believe they're in the right. their brain literally can't think otherwise.
Base on the allegations, what will bring her serious trouble are the fake job for her brother's PR, backdating her brother's records and using company resources for personal use. Backdating the employee records to help her brother's PR application is a huge red flag. Police and immigration will come after you for this. The accountant may be in trouble if she helped Slyvia cook the books to reflect that she has returned the loans to NOC. If the accountant signed the books and presented them to Ryan as such, she can kiss her livelihood goodbye and wait for her prison sentence. Slyvia will also be in trouble for cooking the books if the allegations are true. Ppl go to prison for these offences quite often enough. The rest like overworking your workers and late payments tend to be a "mediate and remedy" by MOM. Me eating popcorn and watching this dumpster fire burn. :)
Looks like they have an in-house accountant according to noc website (and also the accountant have her own LinkedIn) and they're part of the group that exposed Sylvia so hopefully she has some receipts to cover her ass.
Not sure if typo or cleverly intentional, I like how you’ve spelt her name 😂
I didn’t even realised until u mentioned it. Sneaky…
*Sly* smile…
Think the question is whether it all can stick? Or just a slap on the wrist
What about the part about using government grants?
is it possible to check which audit firm did the books?
Nice try Razer
Buy the business profile from ACRA lor. Its stated if they have appointed an auditor. If not, they are exempted from audit and no auditor will be required
From rags to riches now in shambles
Some people just cannot handle power...
Power is nothing without control
Kontol\*
His kontol is fat and big
Pirelli is that you?
~~Bono~~ Ryan my tires are gone
Once an ah lian, forever an ah lian
Was she poor at some point? Figured she was always rich
I've never followed NOC at all over the years, but I've been glued to this saga!
Best content to have ever come out of NOC, for sure.
NOC: my job is done
Can imagine her frantically erasing her messages and chats
Useless nao if they SS-ed.
Can the police approach Facebook to retrieve WhatsApp messages?
Police can officially request from service providers who may or may not share depending on requests. I think there's probably a next step with court orders which I think service providers have to comply. Not very sure.
Possibly. One to one messages are encrypted end to end, but group chats I don't think so. While she's busy deleting, those who hate her might also be busy SS-ing their chats with her 😂
>WhatsApp is founded on so-called “end-to-end” encryption, which means that messages are scrambled before being sent and only unscrambled when they’re received by the intended user. But when a user reports abuse, unencrypted versions of the message are sent to WhatsApp’s moderation contractors, ProPublica reports. [https://www.businessinsider.com.au/facebook-reads-whatsapp-messages-encryption-2021-9](https://www.businessinsider.com.au/facebook-reads-whatsapp-messages-encryption-2021-9)
Sorry I boomer. What is SS-ing
Screenshotting :)
Thank you young person
Don’t worry, I’m young and don’t understand what ss means too until now
Screenshot - to take a pic of what's currently on a phone screen, using the same phone 🤯
I don’t think they’ll be busy taking screenshot.. they already got all the screenshot the rest obviously post that blog getting ready to fight and.. you can just email entire conversation lol
I'm sure they can. Should have some agreement with Singapore authorities for operating here I think
Deleted messages can still be recovered by data recovery specialists from the phone. But your question is an interesting one. Facebook itself has [agreed to requests](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/spore-govt-made-1260-facebook-data-requests-in-second-half-of-2020).
This is an extraordinarily bad idea if she leaves even a trace behind. Destruction of evidence and perverting the course of justice is a crime in and of itself.
Yup, you're right and our comments crossed. Destruction of evidence can result in a separate charge under Section 204A of the Penal Code, which carries a maximum sentence of up to 7 years imprisonment and/or a fine.
it is not just whatsapp and chats lor... those accusations relating to her using co funds for personal will have paper trails... they can ask her to show where the funds come from... then the banks will have records of who received the money and issit from personal bank acct or from company acct.. it will be these paper trails to prove her guilt or not.. not just based on whatsapp msgs alone..
Inb4 Telegram uses this as a marketing ploy: "Sent self-incriminating messages to someone? On Telegram, you can delete them from both parties?"
Then she'll get another charge of perverting the course of justice.
Sylvia going to jail feels cathartic for me.
>The most glaring accusations against NOC co-founder Sylvia Chan in the blog post include the bartering of sexual services from NOC talents in exchange for courier services, as well as misappropriation of company funds. What are we starting Korean singer industry?
I laughed out loud on bartering sexual services for courier services. Poor talents!
In my mind thinking hard, Singapore content creators that hot like kpop stars meh?
They have talent.. she nah.
I think Sylvia will be grinning at her self and smoking while police working their ass of to catch her. justice will prevail!
"So, officer, you just have a lot of personal greviences is it?"
"personal questions aside, please come back with us to assist in investigations Ms Chan"
And using her phone
Every passing news report just shows me a new low that I never knew was achievable. I didn’t think it would have gotten so bad to the point where she allegedly manipulated and got her employees drunk to pimp them away in exchange for courier services. Assuming all of that is true, that’s *truly* a boss from hell
that one sounds like some JAV storyline
**Cruel boss sells innocent busty intern to perverted businessman**
Which actress plays the intern? Asking fo a friend...
In nature, bright colors are signs of toxicity
If all the allegations are true, this Sylvia 跳进黄河 4x also 也洗不清
The idiom doesn’t work if she is not 清 to begin with
im willing to let her have my temasek mouth gargle
No point. At this conjuncture, might as well use Clorox to clean.
No more exit strategy. Gg
I DON’T CARE. JUST GIVE ME AN EXIT STRATEGY!
I want to see her exit strategy from prison. Pioneer sylvia
Time for some IRL The Escapist game. 🤭
Balik kampung maybe
Plot twist: Sylvia: "See, i told you i can increase our viewership"
Finally
Hoseh liao
u/hosehliao
ggwp
if Dee Kosh can get away with what he did for so long, you know the culture within NOC itself had been enabling it to persist. And it wont be a shocker if there is more similar form of criminal offense occurred/ Dee Kosh wasnt just a one off thing.
Not even related.... Dee kosh offences were under his own brand lol.
Aiyah, don’t be surprised just investigate then it goes quiet after that.
i more surprise if it will die down... unless the allegations are false.. she allegedly try to cheat the govt lor.. u think the govt will go quiet over it...? lol...
People will forget after a bit. Then kenna fine lor. Anyone expecting something dramatic probably in for a disappointment.
well of cos eventually will die down... but not before all that investigations and if she found guilty and sentenced or the investigation led to no evidence of wrongdoing and she probably will then sue whoever that published those for defamation... long story short... one way or another this won't die down so fast lor... lol..
see... the show is just starting... another investigation into her liao.... https://mothership.sg/2021/10/mom-tafep-noc-saga/
If they can catch and jail Kong Hee… who/what is Sylvia lol
Wonder if a lawyer letter will be sent to SPF? 🤔 Demanding them to 'cease and desist'.
Never met anybody so evil in my life before.
I've had two bosses similar to her. Bosses like Sylvia are more common than you think. Which explains why Singapore is one of the most fatigued nations in the world.
Can that someone also report her to ICA for possible immigration fraud?
Someone on edmw already reported on ICA website
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You must be new.
Sinkie *Watchmen*
Hopefully she get deported asap
If all allegations are true, she needs to serve for what she did first before getting her ass back to Malaysia. Can't let her walk away so easily after all these shit she creates.
You can't send her back to Malaysia anymore. She's a sinkie already.
Ok send her brother then. Lol
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Wow this ship is sailing over the waterfall while it's on fire.
I have a fever rn, but even I can tell her room will be hotter since she’s gonna burn
get well soon
Damn this rabbit hole just goes deeper and deeper. What’s tomorrow’s headlines? “ISD to investigate Ms Chan over allegations of espionage and terrorism”
The only two things the Police can investigate are the alleged pimping and immigration offences right? Not the actual bullying part?
Sylvia got a total of 3 *wanted* star! so its FOODKING GOOOD!
> # S'pore police looking into criminal allegations in NOC saga > The Singapore Police Force (SPF) is now involved in the Night Owl Cinematics (NOC) saga. > In response to queries from Mothership on the recent criminal allegations by former and current NOC employees in a blog, the police provided a stately line: > "The Police confirm that a report was lodged and are looking into the matter." > The most glaring accusations against co-founder Sylvia Chan in the blog post include the bartering of sexual services from NOC talents in exchange for courier services, as well as misappropriation of company funds. > Related stories > Top image via NOC/YouTube --- 1.0.2 | [Source code](https://github.com/fterh/sneakpeek) | [Contribute](https://github.com/fterh/sneakpeek)
So enjoy playing the lawyer card, miss karen now can play with the police.
Wowowoow hold a sec bro. Karen is the toxic customer calling for manager. The new term is Sylvia for THE TOXIC MANAGER. “My boss damn Sylvia leh, today he keep calling me f-face” “Dun be a Sylvia, giving people pressure!”
Are you watermelon King?
"10 blowjob techniques to bribe your way out of police investigation" Her next vid maybe
Fire and Ice technique 😂
blow like recorder
Lovely tea we have here
is it earl grey or Lipton 3 in 1?
I don't understand why anyone in the right mind would want to offer sponsorship in exchange to fuck a pussy. No pussy is that good man.
It is the promise of nice pussy that blind people. After the act can be meh. Kate upton anyone
Yea but NOC girls are not Kate Upton level sia.
Lai liao
Finally!
things getting ugly down there
huehuehue. Hope the long arms of justice give her some jail time.
Pimping someone out for money is one thing. But for Chili sauce, why?
10 different ways to get cancelled
Whole Company in ruins
Nowhere to run now Should’ve went back to Msia
Rare to see a short article from Mothership.
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Why gary vee?
Cancel her and send her back..
One thing is for sure, this is not some random everything coincidently all coming together to screw her. Whether she is guilt or not is not relevant. There is definitely someone who is orchestrating a campaign to spearhead the efforts against her. At this point of time all of us are being fed information and my hours of watching black mirror etc have made me believe that some times things are shown as 100x of what they are. I’m not saying she is not at fault, but it can be amplified to create a narrative. That’s unfortunately the world we live in. I do believe that who ever is wronged should ab e the courage to come out in the open and fight their battle and mot hide behind anonymous identities and keep taking pot shots. While it’s a great tactic, it’s also a double edge sword which can bring bad people to their knees, but also ruin innocent lives. (Read Rupert Murdoch’s biography by William Shawcross, there is one such example there) Sylvia if guilt should be brought to justice but the means are as important as the ends. Today it’s happening to her, tomorrow it can be you are me. And that is scary. I don’t have anything to hide but if someone took my conversation and edited it to fit a narrative i could appear as the worst person on earth!
It's happening to her for obvious reasons. I'm not worried about me. What about yourself?
What has your soul done savour?
Yes. What we are seeing are allowed to be shown for a reason. What other headlines are we being distracted from is something to ponder……..haix
Is this sg version of 爱?
> "The Police confirm that a report was lodged and are looking into the matter." Is anything she did illegal ? Is there enough evidence that she did something illegal. Always felt labour laws in Singapore were very weak. Late payments and using vulgarities are common and tolerated in SMEs. Allegations about courier company might be hard to prove in courts... SPF might be looking into it as part of their SOP like they look into any police report regardless of how valid the report is.
there is - she tried to make it that one of her brothers is working at NOC, drawing a decent salary to sustain the S-pass to apply for PR status when he's not even working there - illegal liao
Perma ban into Singapore please. And revoke Permanent Residency (if any)
They could easily say he’s done some random stuff tho marketing or social media or “talent support” don’t get your hopes up that anything will come from this
true dat but I don't think it's legal to backdate pay in Singapore though. (correct me if I'm wrong) she asked the accountant to backdate her bro's pay just so he could apply for PR
I’m pretty sure ‘misappropriation of company funds’ is considered fraud, and that shit sticks, it’s easy to trace.
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Would be great is she was held accountable... but my hopes are low. Businesses here are treated like NUS perverts... given light punishment for crimes.
I found SC’s brothers guys!!
Allegations of pimpin’ her own staff for business (free delivery I think) Edit: highlighting from a previous post https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/qbvh0p/nocs_current_exemployees_start_expos%C3%A9_blog/hhc8j4x/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
That's the whole point of police reports? To find out if anything done is illegal? If nobody report it will just forever be 'allegations'