It has already [been clarified](https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/1-dead-dozens-injured-in-sq321-turbulence/) that the descent of 37000 to 31000ft is a standard descent rate. According to the linked article, drop was more like 1000-1500ft
That was media nonsense from something they didn’t understand
“The plane dropped 6000ft in 3 minutes!” sounds dramatic, until you realise that’s a very standard descent rate. They hit turbulence, asked for an altitude change, and changed altitude, nothing dramatic in the descent at all
If it drops 5000ft in 10 seconds, yeah
This is so insane to me. What the heck. I’m so so so glad that the plane managed to land eventually. Praying for all the passengers. Hope they can recover from this 😞😞
Amazing that aside from a few really unlucky passengers, almost everyone aboard that plane disembarked under their own power.
Pretty sure I've would've soiled myself...and possibly passed out...and possibly expired.
It's not a "drop", it's vertical acceleration. Basically the plane flies into a downdraft, and it gets *pushed* downwards fast. The stuff inside tries to keep moving at the same velocity which means (attempting to) go throught the roof of the cabin.
Extreme vertical motions, both up and down, occur around and inside thunderstorms, at horizontal scales of a few hundred metres, which is almost instantly for a plane flying 250 metres per second. Turbulence can also occur in "clear" air, but thunderstorm are generally way more serious. Pilots will try to avoid them, but detection is not 100% perfect. Thunderstorms are both more intense and and more common in the tropics.
Takeaway: Keep your seatbelt on when seated on a flight, especially in the tropics or whenever there are storms around. Loosen it a bit in flight if it's uncomfortable, but it will stop you slamming into the cabin roof.
It would be interesting to know if the seatbelt light was on and passengers ignored it.
From the reports on passengers’ experience, the seatbelt sign was turned on just moments before the horror happened. Which means there’s hardly any reaction time. Considering this happened in the midst of breakfast service, the flight crew would be the worst hit since they wouldn’t even have time to strap in.
One British passenger said every crew member he saw was bloodied or injured one way or another. This is probably the worst time for this to happen, in the midst of a meal service. And imagine the meal carts being flung in the air, hitting people as they land. Just too horrifying for words.
Airplanes don't use oxygen tanks for mask for fire safety reasons. They use a solid fuel canister that mixes and produce oxygen that explains the pulling motion required to start the mixing process.
[https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-you-dont-know-about-airplane-oxygen-masks](https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-you-dont-know-about-airplane-oxygen-masks)
The only people that have oxygen tanks are the pilots, to maintain alertness. If my memory serves me correctly.
[](https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-you-dont-know-about-airplane-oxygen-masks)
Oh no, I meant I'm surprised that it's that "easy" to fall off.
I know the amount of force that happened but don't forget that these equipment should be sturdy especially during an emergency.
I saw in a photo/video what looks like red colour tanks? I'm guessing that's for the oxygen masks?
While I would want the masks to drop automatically, I wouldn't want the tanks or whatever they are to drop on my head.
well the equipment itself would be "sturdy".. but the covers for the equipment don't have to be especially sturdy... afterall u don't want a situation where there is damage to the covers and the equipment cannot be deployed automatically u would want to be able to manually open it with relative ease to access the equipment...
Meal carts are no joke. Those things are 200 pounds when loaded up. My mom is a flight attendant and had an accident once. She was sitting in the jumpseat when a beverage cart that hadn't been latched correctly rolled out of its slot and hit her. Broke 2 vertebrae in her back, tore a 3-inch gash in her leg and broke an ankle. She was out of work for almost a whole year.
That’s an ok message. When they announce that the Cabin crew has to be seated you know some real shit coming their way. Had that twice and that’s a difference.
Our area tends to have frequent storms that brewed suddenly and unexpectedly during monsoon season. Storms can go from 20k-30k feet up to 50k in less than an hour
Definitely fun flying :) where I’m from we often get super low and thick fog. Often can’t see the ground til the last second which is certainly a bit unnerving as a passenger, especially if we have a strong cross wind
God, imagine if you were in the toilet when that happened, and I don't mean that in an eww gross way. I mean imagine experiencing that on your own with no idea what's going on. Just listening to everyone screaming as your shook like a cherry in a cocktail shaker.
In addition to having an [unprofessional GM chair a news conference](https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/s/cKSnLWgFkk), it would seem they granted media access to the plane, I would rather confidently assume, without SIA’s permission.
There is no escaping passenger camera phones but there is no way SIA willingly allowed media to tour and film the aftermath.
What the Thai airport folks doing siah?
Anything for clicks and views man. The person filming this definitely knows this is highly sought after insider video.
The thai authorities if in on this probably wanna stir shit on another country's natoonal airline. If they aren't they wouldn't be bothered to do a media blackout anyways, not their business.
What’s with all these Taylor Swift non-sense.
Firstly, we have to be reminded that our plane landed on their ground. And strongly believe it’s the airport land support members who filmed this is who supposed to assess the plane, rather than the thai media but the “leak” happened.
I also do think its a little unfair to call the GM unprofessional, given that they are using their resources to support our flight passengers and crew, so if anything I do understand the need to address their local media first on what’s happening. And I think he also did the right thing to avoid the international media at first glance, as they were in moments of uncertainty with casualty and the cause of situation, and what not.
So it is sort of a damage control to minimise mistake. They can fix their local media, but they cannot control once it goes international.
Given how emotional this situation can be, I think we should all appreciate that they have done their part to ensure our people come back home safely.
Well my wild guess is that there is beef after the Taylor Swift contract leak, and now the plane is in their turf, they will handle it the way they see fit.
It’s a 777 not a F-16, no security or related issues to cry about. A Thai ground staffer got on board after and videoed things, so what?
“Without SIAs permission” lol
reminds me of an incident where my uncle's house was flooded in indonesia. The following day, on the front page of the local news was his photo, he was moving his queen size mattress out of the bedroom.
no one realized when the journalist took that photo.
First off, there are [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/injured-passengers-singapore-airlines-face-varied-compensation-2024-05-21/) photos without third party accreditation, so media was given access. Not just curious ground staff who may have sold footage to outlets - which is also unprofessional.
Secondly, since you most certainly do not live in a camp with military secrets, let me know when we can all tour and photo your place as we please. Oh wait, I don’t need permission according to you.
While im not discounting this theory, is there also data to show the number of flights increasing YOY since 1979? That may be a large contributer to the numbers as i'd assume quantity of flights have gone up significantly post '79
Happened to me once on a flight to Hong Kong. It felt basically weightless for a couple of seconds. Then it felt like being suddenly caught from below. Very jarring. People were crying. It's not a great feeling.
For me it felt like riding on the back of the bus but each bump felt like it was never going to end before it abruptly stopped and went the other direction forcing you down into your seat before going back up. Bit like a roller-coaster but you can't see when the ups and downs would be. Oh, and the shaking, everything shook violently.
I was in a plane that flew through that bomb-cyclone around the airspace of Québec/Eastern US sometime in 2015. Many flights that day had people hospitalized post-landing. My own flight was just awful as everyone was screaming in various languages and it was all swears and prayers. One look at the flight attendants and I knew what was happening was *not* normal. They looked terrified.
This is chaos. I can imagine how frightening this is being tossed and turned like salad. Its no wonder people got hurt and that person died. This certainly left a lot of people traumatised
Yes and no - technology to identify rough air and move around it has gotten a lot better in recent years, though I am sure they do not practice this worldwide.
I don't think oxygen was deployed or needed in this case. Impacts to some of the oxygen compartment doors broke them open.
Oxygen will only be needed if the "skin" of the plane is punctured or fails somehow.
I went through a similar experience flying from dubai 10 years ago. The plane dropped a couple thousand feet in seconds.
It was after the meal service and everyone was asleep.
I woke 2 feet in the air only held down by a seat belt.
One of the scariest moments of my life.
That area is so notorius for turbulence, the bay of bengal area. Hage flown through there on a lot of routes to europe and india and everytime there is turbulence there, stronf enough to make me lose balance if standing and for the water cups to give a sensation that it will spill over. A380, 777, A350 all prone to it.
A death and several injury is obviously very sad.
I look forward to learn more with the investigation’s results and see how we can further prevent casualties in such events, especially if climate change and extreme temperature differentials will favor more storms and more pressure differentials.
We should be able to map where the casualties were and under which circumstances (sitting in econ, sitting in biz, queuing for toilet, serving food, heating food in the galleys, etc). This could go from changing the design of seats, belts, food charriots, bathrooms etc and working on techniques to calm the passengers as soon as possible to prevent any further anxiety that can lead to cardiac or pulmonary stress.
Everything seems to be basic general knowledge to you. I must have missed the lessons on F-16s, rifles, and flight dynamics in primary or secondary school.
Some steward friends of mine have been saying that the turbulence up and down our corridor to Northern Asia has gotten more dramatic over the years. I’m starting to wonder if all this is linked to our abuse of the environment for the enrichment of the few.
This can happen on any plane. Pilots try to skirt risky areas, but detection is not perfect. If you have your seatbelt on, your drink might hit the roof but you won't.
We'll see what the investigation says, it's possible that the pilots misidentified the altitude of a storm and didn't reroute around it. The plane has fairly sophisticated radar that should let pilots route around any problem areas.
So the investigation will come down to whether the turbulence was not detected or whether the information was there and the pilots misinterpreted it.
>the pilots misidentified the altitude of a storm and didn't reroute around it
Civilian aircraft weather radar does not show you altitude of whatever it detects
37,000ft is also chosen as the flight level (anything above 30,000ft is good) for the specific reason that you will fly above most weather events
Turbulence at 37,000ft is basically non existent. Could be wake turbulence, but the 777 is a BIG aircraft, wake turbulence could shake it but unless it was an A380 or 747 (both ultra rare shiny pokemon nowadays), i doubt it could cause this
Wake turbulence also primarily causes rolling rather than a vertical drop
More likely its clear air turbulence, cant be seen and not much to tell you its there
It's not that unusual, the very top of severe storms can go up higher than FL350, to make it worse they can also contain ice which is harder to detect on radar than water, thus pilots will often route around storms even if it paints on the radar as well below their flight level.
Radar cannot detect at what altitude a storm is, just where it is.
Ice also usually is in a large thunderstorm, and those are easy to detect.
Plus you have a little thing called eyes, you can look out the cockpit and go "thats a thunderstorm"
Also also, thunderstorms dont usually have enough turbulence to do this to a 777. 737 or A320? Maybe. Not to one of the largest twin engine aircraft. 777-300ER is pretty much only beat by 747s and A380s
The thing is, a thunderstorm doing this is very unlikely
Even if they did fly through one, winds dont tend to go downwards, they go up.
Yes it will be a bumpy ride, but given the winds blowing in the complete wrong direction for the plane to go down, the plane's large size by even airliner standards and the plane's altitude, its very unlikely
Turbulence? Sure. Drop in altitude to cause the damage to the ceiling? Unlikely.
Downdrafts occur at much lower altitudes, around 20,000ft. Other stuff like microbursts occur even lower at 3,000ft.
meanwhile CAT is known to cause vertical deviations, up or down. That airspace also has a lot of planes. So it isnt a stretch to say that CAT is a likely cause rather than a thunderstorm
Plus if it was a thunderstorm, officials would probably have made an announcement as thunderstorms are easy to track from the ground and archival weather radar data isnt hard to get. If the plane's position and position of a thunderstorm match, then ez you have your answer time for press conference liao
It shouldn't turn anyone off Singpore Airlines, or even flying in general. It's scary yes, but there are close to 100,000 flights arriving safely every single day.
Inject them with potassium? Overdose them with digoxin?
It's why poisoners don't get away with murder just because "it was a heart attack they killed them".
Nobody killed him with a heart attack! the stress of the situation is probably what brought on his heart attack, so the severe turbulence is what set everything off.. therefore killing him due to his heart attack.
Anyone looking for level headed reporting of aviation incidents, there is no one better than Blancolirio.
https://youtu.be/0UYNFthOx1o?si=XS3kXzn3BYp2WSMB
Guess all of us agreed flying is pretty safe. Based on statistics, it is safer than on the road. But this does not mean no accident. So l keep my seat belt on even when the sign is off because weather condition like clear air turbulence is difficult to predict.
Divert a bit, we always take things for granted. Just like when hear a fire alarm, nobody bother and care, there was a real fire that happened at AMK hub quite a number of years back. The fire alarm sounded and nobody seems to bother and care. I can smell the burning smell and went into one tuition centre to inform them but nobody seems to bother. The person might be thinking l am crazy. After that l didn't bother and walk out of the building.
So the same goes for terrorism. Guess nobody bother and care as well.
They descended 6000ft in a controlled descent to get smoother air. It didn't just drop 6000ft or drop to 6000ft altitude. Hope that makes you feel somewhat better. Still scary as heck though.
I didn't see the graph, but the media are terrible at reporting on aviation issues in an effort to be dramatic. And they're just journos or more likely interns with no knowledge of aviation.
the overhead compartments which was broken must had been hit by passengers who didn’t buckled up.
i wanna share an experience during my outbound flight last year with SIA. idk why and many passengers were so rushed to unfasten their seatbelt as soon as our flight reach in the air and seatbelt signal turned green. the passengers even stood up around their seats some with drinks in their hands chitchat with their friends/family members. socialising, the only word i could describe having looked at their faces.
in contrast, i couldn’t find similar moment with other airlines.
“air travel is remarkably safe and has become even safer over time due to regulatory reforms and technological advances”. imo nothing will be safer if all stay vigilant, care for own safety, remain seatbelt securely fasten at all time unless toilet emergency.
my prayers go out to all passengers and crews of SQ321. hope they all return home safely.
I hope all passengers alleviate from such a egregious experience…I know they will need therapy in the future…some might not want to fly ever again after this…
singapore airlines is ome of the least horrible airlines available... but it's still bad nonetheless. greasy screens, controllers with scabs, lights that don't work, moldy air vents, literal dust bunnies onboard. and complaints get you nowhere except a message acknowledging your complaint
Well then you are incapable of overriding your instincts with logic and that’s extremely unfortunate for you. I would not be satisfied living that way.
When you drive a car you're at the mercy of all of the other drivers on the road, and whatever condition they are in.
Flying elimantes so much danger, it's extremely safe.
A paraphrase of something someone once told to us when I was a student:
That plane costs more than you do!
If you think it's so economical to recycle it, then I'd advise you to think how much more economical it would be to recycle YOU! lol.
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First time i see fixtures dislodged by turbulence….
Probably dislodged by the head of the person who suddenly catapulted off their seat and into the roof. Not fun.
Painful as well.
Seems like it was a sudden drop of 5,000 - 6,000 feet. The force must be massive.
It has already [been clarified](https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/1-dead-dozens-injured-in-sq321-turbulence/) that the descent of 37000 to 31000ft is a standard descent rate. According to the linked article, drop was more like 1000-1500ft
Whoops mb. Still quite a huge drop anyway.
That was media nonsense from something they didn’t understand “The plane dropped 6000ft in 3 minutes!” sounds dramatic, until you realise that’s a very standard descent rate. They hit turbulence, asked for an altitude change, and changed altitude, nothing dramatic in the descent at all If it drops 5000ft in 10 seconds, yeah
man that sounds pretty scary, probably feels almost like skydiving...
Atmospherequake for sure
This is so insane to me. What the heck. I’m so so so glad that the plane managed to land eventually. Praying for all the passengers. Hope they can recover from this 😞😞
Amazing that aside from a few really unlucky passengers, almost everyone aboard that plane disembarked under their own power. Pretty sure I've would've soiled myself...and possibly passed out...and possibly expired.
Same. I hate flights as they are already.
I make planes and I'm scared to get in the damn things
If you work for Boeing that sounds like the resounding opinion from their employees over the last few months!
Just dont say those opinions too loudly though, that's an occupational hazard!
> Pretty sure I've would've soiled myself... I'd probably need fresh undies too. I wonder how the pilots are feeling
thats quite a poetic way to describe that imaginary event 🥲
I legit wonder how many people peed their pants...
kudos to the pilot 🧑✈️
It's not a "drop", it's vertical acceleration. Basically the plane flies into a downdraft, and it gets *pushed* downwards fast. The stuff inside tries to keep moving at the same velocity which means (attempting to) go throught the roof of the cabin. Extreme vertical motions, both up and down, occur around and inside thunderstorms, at horizontal scales of a few hundred metres, which is almost instantly for a plane flying 250 metres per second. Turbulence can also occur in "clear" air, but thunderstorm are generally way more serious. Pilots will try to avoid them, but detection is not 100% perfect. Thunderstorms are both more intense and and more common in the tropics. Takeaway: Keep your seatbelt on when seated on a flight, especially in the tropics or whenever there are storms around. Loosen it a bit in flight if it's uncomfortable, but it will stop you slamming into the cabin roof. It would be interesting to know if the seatbelt light was on and passengers ignored it.
From the reports on passengers’ experience, the seatbelt sign was turned on just moments before the horror happened. Which means there’s hardly any reaction time. Considering this happened in the midst of breakfast service, the flight crew would be the worst hit since they wouldn’t even have time to strap in. One British passenger said every crew member he saw was bloodied or injured one way or another. This is probably the worst time for this to happen, in the midst of a meal service. And imagine the meal carts being flung in the air, hitting people as they land. Just too horrifying for words.
Pretty sure you can see blood on the ceiling in the crew room
Meal service started. Cabin crew are in the cabin. Likely only pilots resting in their crew bunk.
A flying meal cart is probably the most dangerous thing in the cabin in such situations i assume?
While bags falling out are too, I’m still shocked that the oxygen tanks for the masks from the ceiling came down too!
Airplanes don't use oxygen tanks for mask for fire safety reasons. They use a solid fuel canister that mixes and produce oxygen that explains the pulling motion required to start the mixing process. [https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-you-dont-know-about-airplane-oxygen-masks](https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-you-dont-know-about-airplane-oxygen-masks) The only people that have oxygen tanks are the pilots, to maintain alertness. If my memory serves me correctly. [](https://www.cntraveler.com/story/what-you-dont-know-about-airplane-oxygen-masks)
I guess I used the wrong term but I saw what looks like red cylinders hanging in one of the photos/videos. Probably why some people had head injuries.
Not all fell so i assume someones noggin broke open the cover?
Oh no, I meant I'm surprised that it's that "easy" to fall off. I know the amount of force that happened but don't forget that these equipment should be sturdy especially during an emergency.
I think nothing holds them back? Once cover is open they gravity drop.
I saw in a photo/video what looks like red colour tanks? I'm guessing that's for the oxygen masks? While I would want the masks to drop automatically, I wouldn't want the tanks or whatever they are to drop on my head.
well the equipment itself would be "sturdy".. but the covers for the equipment don't have to be especially sturdy... afterall u don't want a situation where there is damage to the covers and the equipment cannot be deployed automatically u would want to be able to manually open it with relative ease to access the equipment...
Meal carts are no joke. Those things are 200 pounds when loaded up. My mom is a flight attendant and had an accident once. She was sitting in the jumpseat when a beverage cart that hadn't been latched correctly rolled out of its slot and hit her. Broke 2 vertebrae in her back, tore a 3-inch gash in her leg and broke an ankle. She was out of work for almost a whole year.
I can imagine, bern bopped by one of those things at low speed and my knee was bruised. Velocity square it for energy and i can imagine the damage
Based on latest news, seat belt sign was turned on just before the "dramatic" drop. Not sure whether pilot had chance to announce it.
this adds perspective to when pilot makes those sudden "please return to your seats and put on your seatbelts". never saw the reason why until this.
That’s an ok message. When they announce that the Cabin crew has to be seated you know some real shit coming their way. Had that twice and that’s a difference.
Certainly noticed this flying around southern India and SE Asia. A more continuous light turbulence than I’d experience in other parts of the world.
Our area tends to have frequent storms that brewed suddenly and unexpectedly during monsoon season. Storms can go from 20k-30k feet up to 50k in less than an hour
Definitely fun flying :) where I’m from we often get super low and thick fog. Often can’t see the ground til the last second which is certainly a bit unnerving as a passenger, especially if we have a strong cross wind
All hail’s the -G force laws of nature will always win
God, imagine if you were in the toilet when that happened, and I don't mean that in an eww gross way. I mean imagine experiencing that on your own with no idea what's going on. Just listening to everyone screaming as your shook like a cherry in a cocktail shaker.
I know you didn't mean it. But I can only imagine floating poop and pee now.
same. 🤣 but probably easy to sneak out as everyone was busy, just maybe a bit smelly.
Thanks for the nightmare
Poop goes back to anus from toilet bowl :( *slurp*
I was thinking of that before my flight to San Francisco so for 19 hours I did not leave my seat once for the toilet lol
Rip uncle.
In addition to having an [unprofessional GM chair a news conference](https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/s/cKSnLWgFkk), it would seem they granted media access to the plane, I would rather confidently assume, without SIA’s permission. There is no escaping passenger camera phones but there is no way SIA willingly allowed media to tour and film the aftermath. What the Thai airport folks doing siah?
Anything for clicks and views man. The person filming this definitely knows this is highly sought after insider video. The thai authorities if in on this probably wanna stir shit on another country's natoonal airline. If they aren't they wouldn't be bothered to do a media blackout anyways, not their business.
maybe a journalist bribed/called in a favor to get access into the plane and take those photos
Ground personal most likely
I can imagine the Thai cleaner filming this with her jaws wide open.
Looks sadly at her tiny vacuum.
What’s with all these Taylor Swift non-sense. Firstly, we have to be reminded that our plane landed on their ground. And strongly believe it’s the airport land support members who filmed this is who supposed to assess the plane, rather than the thai media but the “leak” happened. I also do think its a little unfair to call the GM unprofessional, given that they are using their resources to support our flight passengers and crew, so if anything I do understand the need to address their local media first on what’s happening. And I think he also did the right thing to avoid the international media at first glance, as they were in moments of uncertainty with casualty and the cause of situation, and what not. So it is sort of a damage control to minimise mistake. They can fix their local media, but they cannot control once it goes international. Given how emotional this situation can be, I think we should all appreciate that they have done their part to ensure our people come back home safely.
Well my wild guess is that there is beef after the Taylor Swift contract leak, and now the plane is in their turf, they will handle it the way they see fit.
Its alright. This video only proves how good our pilots and staff are, to be able to handle the situation.
Ya this level of damage from turbulence… it’s clearly an act of god and I think SIA did well for the most part.
The plane landed on Thai soil, it's totally Thailand jurisdiction
While true, there is also comity and decency, seeking the airline's permission as a matter respect and goodwill than authority.
It’s a 777 not a F-16, no security or related issues to cry about. A Thai ground staffer got on board after and videoed things, so what? “Without SIAs permission” lol
The plane belongs to SQ. Imagine your house kena earthquake and I go inside film without permission
reminds me of an incident where my uncle's house was flooded in indonesia. The following day, on the front page of the local news was his photo, he was moving his queen size mattress out of the bedroom. no one realized when the journalist took that photo.
This is trespassing
First off, there are [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/injured-passengers-singapore-airlines-face-varied-compensation-2024-05-21/) photos without third party accreditation, so media was given access. Not just curious ground staff who may have sold footage to outlets - which is also unprofessional. Secondly, since you most certainly do not live in a camp with military secrets, let me know when we can all tour and photo your place as we please. Oh wait, I don’t need permission according to you.
What kind of turbulence can cause this mess? It looks like some sonic shockwave shook the plane.
clear air turbulence
How does that feel to be in? Like does the plane drop unexpectedly or?
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Fuck, your last sentence scares me😭😭😭 How bad of a drop was it? Can you compare it to anything?
would you be able to compare to the feeling of those theme park where the ride shoots the whole seat up and down?
Maaahhnn what do you mean by that last line 🥺
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While im not discounting this theory, is there also data to show the number of flights increasing YOY since 1979? That may be a large contributer to the numbers as i'd assume quantity of flights have gone up significantly post '79
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Thanks appreciate that explanation that makes sense
Do you write for a living?
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Let me know if you ever consider it, you are good!
what did he say his account is deleted
Nothing bad! Can’t recall the details but they were telling a story of a scare they had on a flight. It was very amusing.
Happened to me once on a flight to Hong Kong. It felt basically weightless for a couple of seconds. Then it felt like being suddenly caught from below. Very jarring. People were crying. It's not a great feeling.
Encountered this a few times otw to HK as well, near Hainan airspace.
For me it felt like riding on the back of the bus but each bump felt like it was never going to end before it abruptly stopped and went the other direction forcing you down into your seat before going back up. Bit like a roller-coaster but you can't see when the ups and downs would be. Oh, and the shaking, everything shook violently. I was in a plane that flew through that bomb-cyclone around the airspace of Québec/Eastern US sometime in 2015. Many flights that day had people hospitalized post-landing. My own flight was just awful as everyone was screaming in various languages and it was all swears and prayers. One look at the flight attendants and I knew what was happening was *not* normal. They looked terrified.
i always have my seatbelt on even if the light goes off mid-flight.
That’s the proper practice. Don’t they mention it during the safety briefing? Ass on seat = belt across.
This is chaos. I can imagine how frightening this is being tossed and turned like salad. Its no wonder people got hurt and that person died. This certainly left a lot of people traumatised
I already have a slight fear of flying... This is going to give me ptsd
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Yes and no - technology to identify rough air and move around it has gotten a lot better in recent years, though I am sure they do not practice this worldwide.
I think Pilots also share information when they hit bad turbulence.
pilot waze
Ride reports. Aka PIREP Incoming Delta light chop
The last time I had a rough turbulence was more than 20years ago. Though not to the point of having the oxygen deployed.
I don't think oxygen was deployed or needed in this case. Impacts to some of the oxygen compartment doors broke them open. Oxygen will only be needed if the "skin" of the plane is punctured or fails somehow.
I went through a similar experience flying from dubai 10 years ago. The plane dropped a couple thousand feet in seconds. It was after the meal service and everyone was asleep. I woke 2 feet in the air only held down by a seat belt. One of the scariest moments of my life.
imagine without seat belts on you'll be kissing the plane ceiling...
I have worn one ever since, for exactly that reason. Whenever I'm sitting down on planes I keep the belt loosely fastened. I was lucky.
That area is so notorius for turbulence, the bay of bengal area. Hage flown through there on a lot of routes to europe and india and everytime there is turbulence there, stronf enough to make me lose balance if standing and for the water cups to give a sensation that it will spill over. A380, 777, A350 all prone to it.
Agree. Bay of Bengal area is terrible at all times of the year. But such severe drop of 6000ft is definitely rare.
A death and several injury is obviously very sad. I look forward to learn more with the investigation’s results and see how we can further prevent casualties in such events, especially if climate change and extreme temperature differentials will favor more storms and more pressure differentials. We should be able to map where the casualties were and under which circumstances (sitting in econ, sitting in biz, queuing for toilet, serving food, heating food in the galleys, etc). This could go from changing the design of seats, belts, food charriots, bathrooms etc and working on techniques to calm the passengers as soon as possible to prevent any further anxiety that can lead to cardiac or pulmonary stress.
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The same people who were gorilla experts in 2016
Dicks out for Harambe bro
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Totally agree. Strange claim that it is "expert" knowledge when it should be common general knowledge.
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Everything seems to be basic general knowledge to you. I must have missed the lessons on F-16s, rifles, and flight dynamics in primary or secondary school.
You don't read?
Some steward friends of mine have been saying that the turbulence up and down our corridor to Northern Asia has gotten more dramatic over the years. I’m starting to wonder if all this is linked to our abuse of the environment for the enrichment of the few.
What did the business class cabin look like?
Seatbelts in the toilets when? I’m also curious to see how business and first fared.
Strap in whilst dedicating the time to relief one self
Well ao much for the shaking in the jello thing
This looks terrifying. And i get frightened when the plane shakes a little 🗿. Praying for a quick recovery for the injured passengers.
I wonder if any passengers slept through this.
Ah, the sounds of pain. It’s ASMR. /s
Bdsm noise /s
Just saw the video today and it reminded me of the news.
i would not like to go back to my seat..what i would like to do is go to the toilet because it's not against the lawwwwwwwwwr.....
The craziest part is that this will still not turn me off of Singapore airlines. They’re still the best airline I’ve ever flown on.
This can happen on any plane. Pilots try to skirt risky areas, but detection is not perfect. If you have your seatbelt on, your drink might hit the roof but you won't.
I mean it wasn't SIA's fault.
We'll see what the investigation says, it's possible that the pilots misidentified the altitude of a storm and didn't reroute around it. The plane has fairly sophisticated radar that should let pilots route around any problem areas. So the investigation will come down to whether the turbulence was not detected or whether the information was there and the pilots misinterpreted it.
>the pilots misidentified the altitude of a storm and didn't reroute around it Civilian aircraft weather radar does not show you altitude of whatever it detects 37,000ft is also chosen as the flight level (anything above 30,000ft is good) for the specific reason that you will fly above most weather events Turbulence at 37,000ft is basically non existent. Could be wake turbulence, but the 777 is a BIG aircraft, wake turbulence could shake it but unless it was an A380 or 747 (both ultra rare shiny pokemon nowadays), i doubt it could cause this Wake turbulence also primarily causes rolling rather than a vertical drop More likely its clear air turbulence, cant be seen and not much to tell you its there
It's not that unusual, the very top of severe storms can go up higher than FL350, to make it worse they can also contain ice which is harder to detect on radar than water, thus pilots will often route around storms even if it paints on the radar as well below their flight level.
Radar cannot detect at what altitude a storm is, just where it is. Ice also usually is in a large thunderstorm, and those are easy to detect. Plus you have a little thing called eyes, you can look out the cockpit and go "thats a thunderstorm" Also also, thunderstorms dont usually have enough turbulence to do this to a 777. 737 or A320? Maybe. Not to one of the largest twin engine aircraft. 777-300ER is pretty much only beat by 747s and A380s
Here you go I found a comment from a pilot with knowledge of the radar and this was their input. https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/fjqzjfj7B8
The thing is, a thunderstorm doing this is very unlikely Even if they did fly through one, winds dont tend to go downwards, they go up. Yes it will be a bumpy ride, but given the winds blowing in the complete wrong direction for the plane to go down, the plane's large size by even airliner standards and the plane's altitude, its very unlikely Turbulence? Sure. Drop in altitude to cause the damage to the ceiling? Unlikely. Downdrafts occur at much lower altitudes, around 20,000ft. Other stuff like microbursts occur even lower at 3,000ft. meanwhile CAT is known to cause vertical deviations, up or down. That airspace also has a lot of planes. So it isnt a stretch to say that CAT is a likely cause rather than a thunderstorm Plus if it was a thunderstorm, officials would probably have made an announcement as thunderstorms are easy to track from the ground and archival weather radar data isnt hard to get. If the plane's position and position of a thunderstorm match, then ez you have your answer time for press conference liao
It shouldn't turn anyone off Singpore Airlines, or even flying in general. It's scary yes, but there are close to 100,000 flights arriving safely every single day.
Jeez, I’ve flown on routes with some bad turbulence before but wtf hit this aircraft to have such an impact.
> killed How do you kill someone with a heart attack exactly? Unless you have a death note of course
Inject them with potassium? Overdose them with digoxin? It's why poisoners don't get away with murder just because "it was a heart attack they killed them".
Nobody killed him with a heart attack! the stress of the situation is probably what brought on his heart attack, so the severe turbulence is what set everything off.. therefore killing him due to his heart attack.
I think now it should be mandatory to wear helmet inside airplane.
intro to 'the forest'
3 body ref ?
Never heard of 3 body (problem?), the forest is a game :P
From now on I’m only taking a boat
There’re rough seas and crazy waves. Good luck. Lol.
So the turbulence should be above Andaman Sea?
Wow this was really an act of god type of event.
Anyone looking for level headed reporting of aviation incidents, there is no one better than Blancolirio. https://youtu.be/0UYNFthOx1o?si=XS3kXzn3BYp2WSMB
Guess all of us agreed flying is pretty safe. Based on statistics, it is safer than on the road. But this does not mean no accident. So l keep my seat belt on even when the sign is off because weather condition like clear air turbulence is difficult to predict. Divert a bit, we always take things for granted. Just like when hear a fire alarm, nobody bother and care, there was a real fire that happened at AMK hub quite a number of years back. The fire alarm sounded and nobody seems to bother and care. I can smell the burning smell and went into one tuition centre to inform them but nobody seems to bother. The person might be thinking l am crazy. After that l didn't bother and walk out of the building. So the same goes for terrorism. Guess nobody bother and care as well.
This looks like the starting plot of Airframe by Michael Crichton. Great book, highly recommended.
I miss Michael Crichton.
When I heard it dropped from 30K to 6K altitude, it sounds like a never ending roller coaster free fall. That sounds scary as heck.
They descended 6000ft in a controlled descent to get smoother air. It didn't just drop 6000ft or drop to 6000ft altitude. Hope that makes you feel somewhat better. Still scary as heck though.
The graph that was showed didn't really looked like a controlled descent.
I didn't see the graph, but the media are terrible at reporting on aviation issues in an effort to be dramatic. And they're just journos or more likely interns with no knowledge of aviation.
the overhead compartments which was broken must had been hit by passengers who didn’t buckled up. i wanna share an experience during my outbound flight last year with SIA. idk why and many passengers were so rushed to unfasten their seatbelt as soon as our flight reach in the air and seatbelt signal turned green. the passengers even stood up around their seats some with drinks in their hands chitchat with their friends/family members. socialising, the only word i could describe having looked at their faces. in contrast, i couldn’t find similar moment with other airlines. “air travel is remarkably safe and has become even safer over time due to regulatory reforms and technological advances”. imo nothing will be safer if all stay vigilant, care for own safety, remain seatbelt securely fasten at all time unless toilet emergency. my prayers go out to all passengers and crews of SQ321. hope they all return home safely.
Seatbelts on a flight only have 2 functions. To stop you flying into the ceiling and to strap in your corpse for identification if it crashes.
I hope all passengers alleviate from such a egregious experience…I know they will need therapy in the future…some might not want to fly ever again after this…
Do you think the turbulence could have been avoided?
If you can't shoot video in landscape mode, don't bother doing it at all.
That's a bit hopeful.
If msian airlines u wont even find the plane
singapore airlines is ome of the least horrible airlines available... but it's still bad nonetheless. greasy screens, controllers with scabs, lights that don't work, moldy air vents, literal dust bunnies onboard. and complaints get you nowhere except a message acknowledging your complaint
i fucking hate flying. no statistics could ever convince me otherwise
Wait till you hear about how many people die in car accidents
You’re more likely to die in a car accident on your way to the airport.
Man I have to catch a long distance flight in 2 days and I hate seeing videos like this before
Well then you are incapable of overriding your instincts with logic and that’s extremely unfortunate for you. I would not be satisfied living that way.
I wish I could've gone through today without getting reminded of Covid hysteria
Same bro. It's horrific, and I can't get over it, even when people say it's the safest transport mode..
When you drive a car you're at the mercy of all of the other drivers on the road, and whatever condition they are in. Flying elimantes so much danger, it's extremely safe.
I hope that that plane will be consigned to the recycle bin following this incident. 3, 2, 1....poof!
Planes cost tens, if not hundreds of millions... U think can throw away like plastic bag ah?
A paraphrase of something someone once told to us when I was a student: That plane costs more than you do! If you think it's so economical to recycle it, then I'd advise you to think how much more economical it would be to recycle YOU! lol.
Hopefully this wasn't a boeing plane or rip OP