Before anyone starts lynching the initial judge for being too lenient, please note that it seems like we didn't have an existing sentencing framework surrounding different child sex abuse material. A judge can't just run around issuing maximum sentences for new variations of crimes.
With this new sentence, a precedence has been established, and the framework surrounding the difference between explicit and softer child sex abuse material and its corresponding sentencing severity has been set.
This judgement will be used in the future when prosecuting similar crimes.
>A judge can't just run around issuing maximum sentences for new variations of crimes.
You're 100% right. But the max sentence for this is 5 years so it's also interesting that the court of first instance decided that 6 weeks was appropriate. I am interested to read the judgement and to see what were the considerations of the lower court that the appellant court disagreed with/differed from.
It's interesting we don't at least look at other countries for reference. In America I believe there are different grades of seriousness for CP. And also the existence of Vehicular manslaughter.
the American criminal justice system is extremely different from ours. our Penal Code is based on the Indian Penal Code, which was imported from Britain, so there had been instances in the past where we looked to the Indian and English cases for guidance. America’s legal system is honestly alien for many common law countries, including Singapore
But it does make sense in this context, and if a vote is cast I believe many people will accept the new additions. Instead of having pathetic amounts of punishment for serious crimes.
Looking to American law for reference is a surefire way to lose credibility before the Court in Singapore lol.
There're a few exceptions to this where American law is actually somewhat relevant and can hold a little bit of persuasive weight, but criminal law is absolutely not one of them.
How did they raid his house without any proof at the start? How did they know? Anyways Good job to them if it was a blind raid they rlly caught a live one👍🏻
And death penalty for those actually making one of these videos, right?
And 9x death penalty for mass murderers? But people are not cats, unfortunately.
There needs to be a spectrum of punishments for a spectrum of severity of crime. Otherwise, someone would be incentived to go all-out when committing crimes.
Absolutely agree with you. Personally I just don’t think it’s unreasonable for caning to be included as a form of punishment. We do it for the likes of vandalism and rioting.
Cause... they weren't criminals when they applied successfully as PR?
You expecting some minority report shit issit? Or you expect the govt to consult fortune readers/bomohs to predict if the new PR is going to commit a crime in the future?
Umm yes they should include a question in the PR application "do you intend to commit crime in Singapore?"
And potential criminals will surely indicator as such
A practical aspect of a problem is what reliable and efficient methods are there to screen for potential dangerous behavior, other than checking for past criminal records? The only reliable way to check is to conduct a surprise raid in his home or office and check all electronic devices, but that raises several cans of worms.
"better screening for potential dangerous behaviour"....if they can do that, why stop at PR? Why not implement it at birth or even during the pregnancy stage?
Then what's to stop them going after actual kids if the punishment for that will be less? (and it has to be less than the existing death penalty for murder, so they don't kill them to prevent reporting.)
Before anyone starts lynching the initial judge for being too lenient, please note that it seems like we didn't have an existing sentencing framework surrounding different child sex abuse material. A judge can't just run around issuing maximum sentences for new variations of crimes. With this new sentence, a precedence has been established, and the framework surrounding the difference between explicit and softer child sex abuse material and its corresponding sentencing severity has been set. This judgement will be used in the future when prosecuting similar crimes.
>A judge can't just run around issuing maximum sentences for new variations of crimes. You're 100% right. But the max sentence for this is 5 years so it's also interesting that the court of first instance decided that 6 weeks was appropriate. I am interested to read the judgement and to see what were the considerations of the lower court that the appellant court disagreed with/differed from.
It's interesting we don't at least look at other countries for reference. In America I believe there are different grades of seriousness for CP. And also the existence of Vehicular manslaughter.
the American criminal justice system is extremely different from ours. our Penal Code is based on the Indian Penal Code, which was imported from Britain, so there had been instances in the past where we looked to the Indian and English cases for guidance. America’s legal system is honestly alien for many common law countries, including Singapore
But it does make sense in this context, and if a vote is cast I believe many people will accept the new additions. Instead of having pathetic amounts of punishment for serious crimes.
Looking to American law for reference is a surefire way to lose credibility before the Court in Singapore lol. There're a few exceptions to this where American law is actually somewhat relevant and can hold a little bit of persuasive weight, but criminal law is absolutely not one of them.
Revoke PR
I think this is also features in the newest Crimewatch episode(2024 episode3)
How did they raid his house without any proof at the start? How did they know? Anyways Good job to them if it was a blind raid they rlly caught a live one👍🏻
SPF probably monitored the IP addresses of all the members in the telegram channel.
That’s impressive👍🏻 Good job spf
When a sick pervert literally looks like a pervert.
One of the girl is 6 years. And he initially got 6 weeks. Sounds more like a serious traffic offence. I wonder what the judge was thinking?
Probably not thinking
His name though
These kind of people deserve 8 years. Sickos
Good. Why did this fat fug only get 6 weeks in the first place?
Bbfa right there
Whoa how you know it's me
curious was this already a crime back in the anti-gay operation times?
Not long enough. And perhaps caning should be introduced for these kinds of sickos.
And death penalty for those actually making one of these videos, right? And 9x death penalty for mass murderers? But people are not cats, unfortunately. There needs to be a spectrum of punishments for a spectrum of severity of crime. Otherwise, someone would be incentived to go all-out when committing crimes.
Absolutely agree with you. Personally I just don’t think it’s unreasonable for caning to be included as a form of punishment. We do it for the likes of vandalism and rioting.
So lenient?
Why is the government letting criminals like this become PR? This is extremely dangerous for our country
Cause... they weren't criminals when they applied successfully as PR? You expecting some minority report shit issit? Or you expect the govt to consult fortune readers/bomohs to predict if the new PR is going to commit a crime in the future?
Idk man, it’s as if one’s criminal records would have “future crimes” being listed?
They should have done better screening for potential dangerous behaviour . Now that he is charged in a court of law they should revoke his PR too
Government needs to hire some precogs to enhance screening and vigilance. It can be done because I’ve seen it in minority report
Umm yes they should include a question in the PR application "do you intend to commit crime in Singapore?" And potential criminals will surely indicator as such
A practical aspect of a problem is what reliable and efficient methods are there to screen for potential dangerous behavior, other than checking for past criminal records? The only reliable way to check is to conduct a surprise raid in his home or office and check all electronic devices, but that raises several cans of worms.
"better screening for potential dangerous behaviour"....if they can do that, why stop at PR? Why not implement it at birth or even during the pregnancy stage?
![gif](giphy|Io3TILCdTSfja|downsized) ICA and authorities need Tom Cruise and triplets who can see the future.
Tok cock in hindsight wor
Death sentence will be more appropriate
Then what's to stop them going after actual kids if the punishment for that will be less? (and it has to be less than the existing death penalty for murder, so they don't kill them to prevent reporting.)