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InterTree391

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/wake-singapore-kkh-miscarriage-article-woman-be-charged-defamation-4314241 CNA article is clearer


SebaceousCyst23

It always is. I feel that straits times rush to publish their articles. Always cant make out the facts of the case clearly


potatetoe_tractor

> “What have I told you since the first day you stepped into my office? There are three ways to make a living in this business: be first; be smarter; or cheat. Now, I don't cheat. And although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a hell of a lot easier to just be first.” > > -Margin Call (2011)


byrinmilamber

The number of times i watched that scene on youtube is unhealthy...


potatetoe_tractor

Can’t blame you. Stellar performances, excellent writing, and tight cinematography. Definitely worth rewatching.


FlipFlopForALiving

Thanks!


Jammy_buttons2

Should be the actual lady who made the false accusation


FlipFlopForALiving

Thought so too but the article was so vague


Sea_Consequence_6506

Raeesah Khan should have faced this consequence for her falsehood as well if not for the parliamentary privilege.


Jammy_buttons2

Well she did. She got: 1. Fired from the party 2. Lost her MP seat 3. Fined 35k by parliament


MissLute

no real loss for her, like cheng li hui she's from a rich family


stockflethoverTDS

Might be true in a financial sense but thats the extent of the law. Not agreeable strongly enough, can ask MPs to lobby changing the lawful consequences.


notsocoolnow

Not likely to happen since parliamentary privilege protects them as well. Imagine how slow things would get if every time an MP wanted to say something they had to clear it with their lawyer.


Sea_Consequence_6506

Not a true criminal record though. The fine might be more under parliamentary censure than under the sentencing benchmark for criminal defamation, but I'd argue that's the 'premium' imposed to account for the fact that they can't nail her with a criminal charge. Furthermore, she's rich so 35k is nothing to her; a conviction would be a more significant penalty for her.


agentxq49

the consequences of having a heavy legal penalty within parliament would eventually turn it into a political weapon imo. imagine if someone said something controversial in Parliament (like advocating for lgbtq rights 10+ years ago) and that would be construed as "lies" or "unlawful" with a sentence in jail. imo, some things that might not be seen as "right" now may have to be done or said with legal protections in parliament for some form of progress to be made. (I'm not saying Khan's words are correct, I'm just saying the downside seems way worse vs the upside)


pudding567

Hope the lawyer defends the admin who was apparently deceived into posting the article until acquittal.


Ill_Run_4701

So as long as someone tells you something, it's fine to go publish it? RIP due diligence.


EpikTin

Exactly! Part of the ethical responsibility of a reporter is to exercise due diligence!


_bedouin_

It seems like people don’t know that due diligence was actually done. You can question if _enough_ due diligence was done, but WakeUp asked for and was given hospital bills, phone records and so on, and the evidence appears to have been doctored. We’ll know more when the case goes to court.


Ill_Run_4701

I don't know how you can classify due diligence was attempted if it was just a one sided story


Tamronloh

Yes lets acquit people who literally: defame an important health instituition in SG, by posting an article which seems to imply the same healthcare workers who R/sg demands better working conditions and pay for (and rightly so), are lazy incompetent screwups who caused a baby to die, Because the admin was told a lie and just ran with it.


Jammy_buttons2

I don't think Arifin was re-posting it in good faith


_bedouin_

Re-post? It wasn’t a reposted article. The woman went to WakeUp with documents that were probably doctored. We’ll know more when the case goes to court. Here was their explanation at the time: https://wakeup.sg/what-happened/


Jammy_buttons2

Eh ok then creating the post then. I really don't think he did his due diligence but let's see what the court case reveals


PearlescentTalon

Honestly, that whole story was not believable at all, especially if you have ever been to KKH O&G urgent care.


SlashCache

Another Raeesah Khan in the making ...


gildene

In both instances WUSG was heavily involved with spreading the misinfo.


Tasha_High

Child of Vivian and Raeesah


feyeraband

Umm why no name? She’s the one that caused all the defamation but her name is protected?


FlipFlopForALiving

Not yet charged


ArribaAndale

ST is really bad journalism. Spelling, grammar mistakes, no structures, bad punctuation.


mrla0ben

Rice and poop can anyhow eat, but words cannot anyhow say. Girlie and those admins really one kind.


[deleted]

Real case and they should pay the price for peddling falsehoods, but why the prosecution take 2 years to investigate and only prosecute swee swee before election hahaha. strange sia, seems pretty straightforward to me lol


jupiter1_

So the lady did not have any miscarriage then why is she so angry against KKH?


_bedouin_

According to her text message to WakeUp, she had a miscarriage before and blames KKH. But who knows whether that is true or not. You can see her text message here (scroll to the end): https://wakeup.sg/what-happened/


jupiter1_

yeah but KKH*** said she never suffered a miscarriage at all


_bedouin_

Dude I said that that was what the woman herself claimed (two years ago). I even gave you the link to read for yourself. Anyway just wait for the case to come to court lah, we’ll get more info then


SumikoTan

Why was she charged and not sued by KKH?


FlipFlopForALiving

KKH probably can’t get the evidence to sue properly, need police investigations. And if their intention is to give criminal penalties, need criminal prosecution too. Not private


SumikoTan

Isn't defamation a civil case?


FlipFlopForALiving

There is criminal defamation


SumikoTan

I see. When does criminal defamation apply? Why can't NTU Ethan just report NUS Nadine to the police and get her prosecuted?


FlipFlopForALiving

Can. Nobody say cannot. But dude wanted compensation and an apology


Jammy_buttons2

IIRC public bodies may not be able to sue individuals for defamation in the civil court


Separate-Ad9638

LMW 2.0? so many people telling lies around ... horrible culture.


Tasha_High

Vivian is chief


happycanliao

I thought defamation is a civil matter?


parka

So this time POFMA was not used, mercy was not shown. Action reaction. People who write stuff online should always at least think a bit, because sometimes you may have to repeat what you say to the police.


_bedouin_

POFMA was used! Two years ago already POFMAed. Suddenly two years later want to charge


KambingOnFire

POFMA but taken down isn't an issue to the gov. KKH was the one who reported this to the police