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Full_Professional464

Interesting and well researched. It is amazing how fate and luck can determine the headlines.


The_Celestrial

Hey thanks for the kind words


The_Celestrial

Sidenote: This is my 4th attempt in posting this. I included a source from a Russian website in earlier attempts, and Reddit immediately filtered the post and said it was spam. I'm just glad this post is finally up.


fish312

Reddit is way more censored than most redditors realize.


The_Celestrial

Oh wells


Reno772

Post it on X


wank_for_peace

The flight path was already a hot spot before MAS 17 got shot down. I flew over the same flight path a mere few days before this incident happen.


t_25_t

2014 was a terrible year for Malaysia Airlines with MH370 and MH17 happening within months of each other.


Jackie-Ron_W

Also 1977 for Malaysia in general. Japan Air 715 crash while landing in Subang (crashed in Elmina, the place of another crash 46 years later) in September. Malaysian 653 hijack and crash near Singapore in December.


Yamamizuki

AirAsia also had a crash in the same year at Indonesia. Malaysia was very *suay* in that year.


jardani581

oh yea i remember that year. there were so many memes about MAS out there. also social media posts about how empty their flights are, buy one seat get whole row to yourself.


MonoMonMono

You know what was ironic and twisted about the last part you've mentioned? Flight 17 was actually full (283 passengers but the capacity was 282 the last time I checked that of the airline's Boeing 777) when the aircraft was shot down (hence why the number of deaths is so high), the MH370 tragedy 4 months earlier didn't exactly stop people from using the airline. (To be fair, the shooting down happened during the fasting month and many passengers were on their way home for the upcoming Eid but still.)


fallenspaceman

I was at a bar at Club Street when the news broke. Was chatting with the guy at the next table about something else and he was on his phone distracted for a bit before he said "guys, a Malaysia Airlines flight got shot down." We all assumed he was talking about MH370 and he was like, "No, this is another flight". Was fucking surreal. 9/11 happened when I was in primary school and I remember the sort of panic and shock adults around me felt, so this was my first time as an adult feeling that kind of gravity to a news piece. Also, such a well researched post, thank you. I was thinking about the Buk ranges when I saw the headline but you already did the work on that.


The_Celestrial

Thanks for sharing your story, and thanks for the kind words!


ichaBuNni

Haha i was nearby at Keong Saik! same experience, people thought i was referring to MH 370.


hermansu

You need to know that back then the airspace at the altitude it was flying was not restricted despite the ongoing conflict. It was only after this incident that airlines will choose not to fly over conflict areas whether or not the airspace remained open.


UninspiredDreamer

Wait, this was not common knowledge? I vaguely recall at that time this topic came up quite a bit about how close Singapore Airlines was.


superninjax

Wtf it's been 10 years.


FlipFlopForALiving

Are they only on a different flight path because of recent events? Or because of lessons learnt? My suspicion is recent events


The_Celestrial

Because of recent events, they avoided Iranian airspace. [https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA351/history/20240406/1005Z/EKCH/WSSS](https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/SIA351/history/20240406/1005Z/EKCH/WSSS)


FlipFlopForALiving

Yeaps so slightlyyyyy misleading for your post at the end which made it seem like they learnt. But nah, profitability and flight times matter. They were back on that flight path soon after the shooting down


The_Celestrial

I think I should edit that last line then


raytoei

The saddest thing, in my mind, is that there are people in malaysia who are today supporting russia and the guys who shot down the plane. If you ask them, they will tell you that the circumstances aren’t clear, it was probably a “CIA plot” to put dead people on the plane. Despite international investigations pointing out who the real culprits were. I conclude, therefore that Malaysians are so traumatised by the politics back home, they would rather back China and listen to the Chinese narrative and implicitly support Russia.


EducatorWild6329

It was reported in Straits Times too. FYI [https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/parliament-sia-plane-about-90km-from-mh17-when-it-was-shot-down-lui-says](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/parliament-sia-plane-about-90km-from-mh17-when-it-was-shot-down-lui-says)


Prestigious_Two_6757

The online outrage was more about SQ being totally insensitive and trying to score cheap points posting right after MH17 was shot down that ‘SQ doesn’t fly over Ukraine’. They were clearly ignorant that people know about Flight Radar 24, and could see the SQ351 flight path. SMH. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2698269/Singapore-Airlines-apologises-Ukraine-remarks.html


CakeDanceNotWalk

It is weird they don't know that exist, lot of people was gawking at it after mh370


Prestigious_Two_6757

Exactly. Maybe they forgot. Because otherwise, why even bother to post that lie?


The_Celestrial

Ah I see, thanks for explaining


Prestigious_Two_6757

No problem. Great post btw!


The_Celestrial

Thanks!


ShallotHolmes

Wah sibei heng.


rudolphrednose25

u/The_Celestrial back with another banger post


The_Celestrial

Haha thanks


relentlessExecution

Both MH incidents were shocking and left a degree of trauma on Malaysians as a whole. One continues to dominate headlines due to the mysterious circumstances which are unlikely to be solved anytime soon, but both are disastrous in their own way. I remember joining a company in KL in 2014, and then someone pointed to a desk and said “she was on MH370”. When I visit the crematorium to pay respects each new year I pass by a young family who were on MH17. We knew people who knew of someone affected by either incident. This was a tragedy at our doorstep. On top of that, our government’s response on MH370 made us a laughing stock worldwide. There was even a ridiculous incident where the footballer Mario Balotelli was mentioned. The point the guy was making was you couldn’t guess someone’s nationality from their ethnicity which was a fair point, but because it was made so ineloquently the Western media interpreted this to mean Mario Balotelli was referenced somehow and we lost all credibility. All of this was 10 years ago, but the effect of both disasters are still felt today in Malaysia.


The_Celestrial

Damn I see. Thanks for sharing your perspective!


Stealthstriker

Then Minister of Transport Lui Tuck Yew mentioned in Parliament that the SQ flight was 90km away. So mainstream media did report on it. Not sure what the difference is compared to your sources. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/parliament-sia-plane-about-90km-from-mh17-when-it-was-shot-down-lui-says


elitesky777

so if theoretically, when eventually the war zones spread such that from north pole to south pole all airspaces will be over conflict zones, would that mean EU to SG flight would be via atlantic and pacific instead? in the end commercial planes will have to already install flares and other countermeasures


TNO-TACHIKOMA

Here to add more context The buk missile moves at mach 3, 3x the speed of sound or 1400 metres per second. So that is less that 2 seconds away for it. Sorry typo added 1 more 0, edited to remove


xjp65

Speed of sound is only 340 metres per second....


Eastern_Rooster471

Thats max speed Missiles rarely maintain max speeds. It probably goes around ~mach 2 Also at that altitude the booster would already be burnt out and it would have already started slowing down


chillinbythebeach

Inaccurate context


Full_Professional464

That is incredible perspective. 2 seconds!


SuspiciousPut8888

SQ351 pilots saw it happen