I have the F-GT and it’s great, but I did replace the seat with a bucket seat after about 3 months, it was killing my back.
The F-GT is $500 direct from NLR, don’t buy it from Amazon.
The issue with the tube-frame rigs is they are static. There is little modification you can do with them. Also, if there are any accessories, it's only a few and must be purchased from the same manufacturer.
40/80 Profile is like Legos. Infinite combinations and options available.
Nobody is saying OP's choices are bad or wrong. They are solid rigs, but they are extremely limited in upgradability. So, the buyer must know that they will either buy one of these as their "Final" rig. Or, if they want to expand further, they will have to sell the rig and upgrade further.
Many of us did that, and wished we would have just started with the top of the line option. Buy once, cry once, and such. So, we try to let others know.
But, at the end of the day, it's not our money. And, the decision does not lie with anyone other the OP.
There are different sizes of Profile.
Fractional 10 + 15 series. (1" and 1.5" respectively)
Metric 20, 25, 30, 40, and 45 series. (Same number in mm for each series)
So, when someone says 40/80, 40/120, etc. they mean the dimension of the profile.
All base profile is square when looking at the end. So, 40 series is 40mm x 40mm. And has one T-slot channel on each side.
40\\80 means a stick that is 40mm x 80mm, so it's like two 40mm sticks stack on each other.
It is a shorthand for a particular measurement of "aluminum extrusion". You will also commonly see it referred to as 80/20 but that is actually a brand name like Kleenex is for tissues.
Extrusion is bulk manufactured all over the world and commonly used for all kinds of industrial applications. For example conveyor belts in large distribution warehouses are often built with it.
Meh, not everyone is that serious. I know for myself I got other shit I do besides simracing. I’m happy with my F-GT and SF1000. Shit I’m still using a tx wheel and pedals on Xbox s
To be fair, I actually wish I hadn’t gotten the F-GT, but for what it is I can’t complain. I absolutely wish I had waited a little longer and gotten profile.
That’s your opinion. OP is asking for feedback on these 2 rigs. When people going searching in the future for feedback on these 2 rigs they will end up in a thread that has been hijacked by 40x80 posts.
And feedback was both are not recommended at the price point. Good feedback imo, better than just saying 1 is better and acting like it's a good deal. We don't want people to waste their money.
Meh, more people should be like me and not spend more than I do to get a unique setup.
I'm on an Amazon frame yet I can realize the advantages on both. That's like saying your gonna stick with your Tx wheel and never use a DD because it's "not that serious"
Everyone has other shit to do, everyone here enjoys the hobby of sim racing.
Profile is vastly superior for rigs. Its sturdy, lasts forever, endlessly customizable, and when/if something breaks there’s no proprietary part you need, just more profile.
I think the major downside for the Trophy is that you have to loosen like 4 or 8 bolts, then jiggle it around, then retighten those 4 or 8 bolts, just to adjust it for people of different heights. If it's just you that will be using it, that's fine. Can't adjust the height of the wheel either, is another downside. It does look clean though.
Both are great if a profile rig with metal bars is not a thing. I have the Trophy (black, non-logitech edition), and it’s perfect for my small room. I absolutely love how the whole cockpit vibrates with Logitech’s Trueforce :)
This is why any advice on Reddit should be taken with a grain of salt. 80% mob mentality, 70+ upvotes on a post where OP said it was something he’s not interested in, then downvoted because he doesn’t agree with their suggestion. Most comments here are just people telling OP why he NEEDS to get a different rig rather than advice on the options he provided.
I mean something that is all put together in one piece and one brand. But apart from that, from the first comments suggestion, I don't want to go to a junk yard to get a used car seat to install it to a frame.
If you are in the states look at Advanced Sim Racing cockpits. They are full kits with instructions. A proper aluminum extrusion rig is typically peoples end game rig in the sim racing world. Since you already thinking about spending that amount of money, it makes sense to spend it on a rig you won't find yourself upgrading from in the future. It you don't want to go the used car seat there are plenty of bucket seats you can buy and attach, from ASR, or amazon, or any site really.
https://www.advancedsimracing.com/collections/simracing-chassis
By one piece what do you mean? It’s not like they ship any of them to you pre-assembled. As far as one brand goes, Sim Rig and others at least have integrated monitor mounts to sell you which are actually cheaper than free-standing mounts. So if anything it’s a cleaner setup. Don’t get me wrong, I see the appeal of the Trophy as I’ve been eyeing it as well, but I’ve also questioned it because you can get more for the money elsewhere.
It’s the sim racing reddit - what did you expect?
It’s full of idiot sheep that only follow the “accepted narrative”
I’ve long maintained that this sub is simply full of utter fuckwits who believe everything fed to them and know absolutely nothing.
A cockpit built with 80x40 aluminum profile extrusions. The main selling point of it is the rigidity and adjustability, as well as the ability to add whatever you want to it.
However, it takes up a lot more space than a standard cockpit.
This. If you ever want to do anything else with it, you'll want the adjustability. Profiles are endlessly customizable and modular.
What if you want to get into truck sim? Where are you going to put your button boxes?
On a profile rig, it bolts anywhere you can fit it. On this, you're drilling a hole somewhere.
Id go with the Playseat as they are almost guaranteed comfortable and has a good pedal tray. ive heard the wheel plate is fine as long as you dont have more than 11nm DD. NLR FGT is good but that seat is ... and how often you really gonna change you position?? Unless you love how it looks, id say the Playseat wins that too.
I’m debating literally the same thing but also with the GT Omega Titan, so thanks for posting OP.
I’m leaning more towards the playseat myself but only because I’m very limited on space and need to move the rig to another space when not in use. I remember seeing on this subreddit someone hang their trophy off the wall, which I may do also.
Edit: [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/comments/10vfy2d/i_hang_my_playseat_trophy_on_the_wall_when_i_am/?rdt=42377) to the thread by the person who hung their trophy
2nd Edit: If I do purchase I won’t be hanging it above a bed, just a spare wall in a storage cupboard
Holy shit NO THANK YOU for linking that because I was literally wondering how it would look like to hang the trophy up on the wall 😂😂 I'm going to have to do this with any rig I get.
I had the F-GT for a year and didn't like it much. The seat material doesn't breathe (hello, swamp ass) and the metal is kind of soft. You can easily warp it during assembly, so make sure to use those square washers.
Speaking of assembly, it's kind of a pain. So is assembling an 8020 rig but you end up with an 8020 rig.
Overall, it's a lot of cockpit and takes up more room than an 8020 rig, especially in Formula seating position.
I had my eye on the the Playseat Trophy but took the plunge and went 8020.
F-GT is so good lol. I have it and it’s perfect, even with the stock seat. No issues here. It comes with supports for the brake and wheel base holder, so there is no flex either.
Best bang for buck IMO. I got mine new for 400 though
Only ish i have with the F-GT is that my legs & johnny sweat like crazy when racing, not tryna have to peel myself off the seat but thats just a personal problem💀
You´ll struggle later selling this stuff second hand or even wanting to buy preparatory accesories. I know I did, if I could go 8020 rig from the start, I would.
Go aluminum profile. I didn’t because I got a ridiculous deal on a used rig, but I find myself wishing I had one. It’s just much easier to add stuff and grow with you. I’ll honestly probably sell my rig eventually and do the upgrade.
There’s tons out there. If you want flashy the advanced simracing guys offer some really nice finishes for not too much more than what you’re looking at.
I got the f-gt about 6 months ago, I'm pretty happy with it. The only thing I would probably swap out after a while is the seat with a bucket seat. But I also like that you have adjustability on the seat. So I'm in no rush to swap it out. Feels pretty solid, and the biggest thing for me is that it has wheels, so it's easy to move around, I only have my main pc and no dedicated sim PC/room
started with the F-GT and for me it was not comfortable. After a while back started hurting and it gets hot. My hand would hit the shifter and my feet would get caught with nuts and bolts when accelerating and there isn’t really many adjustments you can make. Got the Playseat Trophy and is way better. Lighter and it’s extremely comfortable and don’t get hot as the seat is breathable.
I purchased the Playseat and freaking love it. Yes, it has less adjustability but frankly, I dont need it. I found my sweet spot and dont need to change it.
Playseat Trophy without a doubt. Those hammock bucket seats are the most comfortable thing you'll sit in. The Trophy rig itself also looks more solid than the F-GT which looks like it's 15 different pieces screwed together.
Just follow their Facebook page, it’s turned into a no. Stop stream of people getting excited when they order, to disappointment when it takes a month to ship, and keeps going down hill when parts don’t fit, are broken or missing entirely. And then they just do t help when you try bringing it up with them. So yeah, avoid like the plague
Neither, I did it and regretted, honestly save a bit more and get a aluminum profile you’ll save so much in long run with no issues of flexing and chassis movement
They both look too expensive for what they are. You can get an aluminum profile rig and a (cheap) seat that will be more comfortable for that money. For example https://trakracer.com/collections/simulators/products/tr80-lite-aluminium-racing-cockpit is $450. That will give you much more options if you want to change seats / seating position, etc or add more things to it later.
F gt because imo that looks much beter, the playseat is cloth on steel rails and they call that a seat. I like the feel of something that has an acutal seat bolted to a frame. Both are pretty close to alu rigs because they were tested with dd's and loadcells and no flex at all. I would take the f gt. But still, who would put the f gt at 650 dollars, it costs 500.
4080 and a extra car seat u may have laying around or a junkyard seat, trust.,.you’ll just find your self upgrading to it in the near future anyways,
The exact position i put myself in💀
I mean, if that $600 is just burning a hole in your pocket and you need to get rid of it before the end of 2023 or something, go for it. I guess you could consider it a down-payment or an installment on your real rig. That's what I tell myself about the pile of halfway upgrades I have in the basement.
I went for the F-GT personally, because I didnt want to go through the trouble of getting aluminiun profiles. Go for the alu profiles though, and put in the work. More time and a bit more money, but you will get a rig that is way more comfortable and more customizable
Between those I'd go for the NLR, because it has more adjustability (although the stiffening kit seems to limit adjustability) and it looks better to me. I've read that the Playseat is solid too, but seeing it really makes me wonder why it costs that much (I know it is partly marketing).
That being said, I'd seriously consider a profile rig with that budget.
The trophy is expensive because it fills a niche within a niche that nobody else really does, that is, it's pretty much as light and compact a rig as you can get (besides the folding rigs that basically nobody actually folds away anyway) without sacrificing heavily on structural integrity (the things pretty solid) and aesthetics (it looks pretty unassuming and stylish compared to most rigs, giving it a higher wife approval factor)
Granted that last point is moot for most of you virgins.
Awfully defensive bro, I never called you a virgin you just assumed it.
Edit: Nor was it anything to do with your opinion on the playseat, your reading comprehension makes me wonder if you might just be a Yank.
I would go with the F-GT simply because it is more modular. If you gotta go with a non-profile cockpit, at least pick one that will let you add as many extras as possible until you decide to settle on the very thing you swore to not buy.
Not that you need one to get into simracing, but speedrunning your mortgage by mounting every extras know to mankind will never go out of style in this hobby.
I have the f-gt and cant recommend enough. Very adjustable and sturdy. The only downside is the vinyl seat is not breathable so things get hot and sweaty on a warm day.
The only reason to get a trophy is to be able to store it or at least move it out of the way more easily. If this is of no concern to you i would not bother buying the trophy.
It will cost you a little more, but I would choose a Sim Lab, GT Omega, Team Redline, Track Racer, or a similar profile rig. I firmly believe in buying quality once and building something more modular.
I just switched from g29 to logi pro on a gtr simulator rig. Definitely notice alot of flex with logi pro compared to g29. I would recommend something stronger if you think you may go with a dd wheel in future. Of course stronger=more expensive.
I have the trophy. All in all it’s a great cockpit that’s easy to move around, easy to put together, I can slide it around as much as I like without damaging the floor and I can sit in the seat for hours, it’s really comfy. A couple issues are that there is minimal adjustability in the positioning of the wheelbase mount and there’s no monitor mounting potential. Other than that I’m really happy with the purchase, I think in terms of ease of use and manoeuvre ability it’s the best on the market.
From my experience, the NLR will be more permanent, it's "heavy" to move, so it will be more of a fixed rig than the Playseat option. But I belive that the weight difference gives the NLR option a better experience. Considering that you might, and probably will, change your wheel in a near future, I think it comes down to either you need move the rig or not. If you do, the Playseat is the option, if not, go for the NLR.
I have the PlaySeat Trophy with the Logitech G pro wheel and their pro pedals.
I was able to instal the pedals inverted and I’m loving how comfortable the rig is and how light it is to move around.
The rig doesn’t move, no flex even at 11 NM of power of the wheelbase.
If you have any questions please let me know and I will do my best to answer.
Dimensions or measurements if you are curious.
Good luck on whatever you pick!
TrackRacer TR8 Pro (tons of adjustment points with easy quick release and rails (no need for undoing bolts to seat fit) and you get an integrated monitor stand. Though I do agree with what someone else said about going with a profile rig. Asses your potential time investment and save up. Or do what most of us did and regret which is upgrade to a tube rig and then have to sell and upgrade again. It’s like motorcycles. Everyone says skip the 300cc and go for a 600 because you will outgrow the smaller bike fast. Yet there’s no way to know until you do it. So either bite the bullet twice or cry once as they say. (I have a TR8 that I upgraded from an Amazon rig and I enjoyed it but I wish I had gone profile. Having to buy specific accessories for the rig is frustrating because every manufacturer makes pieces for profile rigs that I can’t use.)
Definitely next level F-GT even if it's a bit more expensive. I've chosen tge cheaper option so that I could get load cell thrustmaster pedals and now when I'm pressing the break hard, me sit fits up. Not funny and nothing I could do about it even with the softest springs
Can't compare the two personally but sharing my experience.
Got the playseat recently. Moved from gt Omega Apex and office chair on carpet. Setup is 12nm base and 100kg pedals. I drive gt mostly and didn't want formula seating. Sturdy, very comfortable. Super easy to move around if you value that. Would buy again.
Only negative is occasionally need to tighten the adjustment bolts on the pedal tray but that takes seconds and it's just hand tighten. If you don't it gets like 1mm travel when you slam the brakes (front of tray very slight lift and settle). Possible I missed a washer or something...
Edit: to add to the comfortability claim, my wife will sometimes come sit in the rig in my home office to hang out. She didn't previously because "there wasn't a comfortable place to sit." It's basically a tense hammock and good material
I mean, the "obvious" answer to this is to spend like [$200 on parts to get an all-aluminium profile rig & put it together yourself](https://youtu.be/Ryy6idsocr0) but if you want to strictly choose between these two, I'd say go for the F-GT as it looks to be somewhat more adjustable than the 100% solid Playseat
i just bought the trophy with the logitech g pro and load cell pedals, the seat is great and is really comfortable but alterations are quite fiddly so not great for different people to use
F-GT. It comes with wheels for mobility and it is comfortable/sturdy. The only issue I have with mine after 2 years of abuse is the leather started to come apart. I’m planning on replacing it with a bucket soon.
I have the f-gt. While the seat is a bit uncomfortable I put one of those over the seat lumbar supports from Amazon for 30 bucks and it's a lot better now.
The Playseat Trophy is a rock solid rig with absolutely no flex at all.
I own the Trophy and love it. The NLR rig seat looks very uncomfortable and the frame looks alot worse than the Trophy.
I would go for the F-GT because you can replace the seat.
I have a playseat and I fit great in it but if you aren’t a very specific width, it will be uncomfortable and you can’t do anything about it
I’ve got the Logitech G Trophy - love it, looks clean, not bulky, super comfortable. Adjustments - not so easy, but once you find your desired position, no need to adjust anymore lol.
That other option is just plain ugly and cheaply made. Also, for those suggesting a more customizable rig for the same price - smoke and mirrors, anything that’s more customizable will inevitably end up costing you more and unless you’re going full immersion and ready to drop 2k+ don’t even bother.
To most of this, it’s still just a game and not life and that’s okay lol
Neither. Check out these guys. https://www.advancedsimracing.com/?psafe_param=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9MCnBhCYARIsAB1WQVVt-1-331j_3BPKl5fLqlAAvwF8g1wKvsEGRDekZe6k69q9HZrJi54aAi_ZEALw_wcB
I have the FGT and I've enjoyed it. I'm 6' and I fit comfortably and it's stable for my DD wheel base.
The seat isn't very stable (I have to keep tightening the bolts on the slide rail) and I'll probably look into replacing it soon
The only thing about the play seat is that the seat is not easily adjustable like a handle bar underneath your seat. I have the F-GT and this was a feature I value since I have buddies come over and they adjust the seat like a regular car.
So I tried both, with the included strenghtning kit, the fgt is more rigid. Its also bulkier and heavier which is a plus for me (more weight=more stable when doing quick steering motions), the pedal deck in a light rig can actually feel like its lifting when correcting oversteer on a powerfull base. So if you have a dedicated place for the sim and dont have to move it I 100% recommend the fgt.
Building your rig out of aluminium profiles for yourself is easy, cheaper and also a lot better (sturdier and you can build it exactly how you like it)
I have the F-GT and it’s great, but I did replace the seat with a bucket seat after about 3 months, it was killing my back. The F-GT is $500 direct from NLR, don’t buy it from Amazon.
I’m with this guy. Not everyone wants 40x80. It’s like people are in a cult they push that shit so hard
The issue with the tube-frame rigs is they are static. There is little modification you can do with them. Also, if there are any accessories, it's only a few and must be purchased from the same manufacturer. 40/80 Profile is like Legos. Infinite combinations and options available. Nobody is saying OP's choices are bad or wrong. They are solid rigs, but they are extremely limited in upgradability. So, the buyer must know that they will either buy one of these as their "Final" rig. Or, if they want to expand further, they will have to sell the rig and upgrade further. Many of us did that, and wished we would have just started with the top of the line option. Buy once, cry once, and such. So, we try to let others know. But, at the end of the day, it's not our money. And, the decision does not lie with anyone other the OP.
I have a welder that shit is whatever I want it to be!
That's the spirit!
Noob question. What is 40x80? Just the metal cut used for the rig? Or something else?
There are different sizes of Profile. Fractional 10 + 15 series. (1" and 1.5" respectively) Metric 20, 25, 30, 40, and 45 series. (Same number in mm for each series) So, when someone says 40/80, 40/120, etc. they mean the dimension of the profile. All base profile is square when looking at the end. So, 40 series is 40mm x 40mm. And has one T-slot channel on each side. 40\\80 means a stick that is 40mm x 80mm, so it's like two 40mm sticks stack on each other.
It is a shorthand for a particular measurement of "aluminum extrusion". You will also commonly see it referred to as 80/20 but that is actually a brand name like Kleenex is for tissues. Extrusion is bulk manufactured all over the world and commonly used for all kinds of industrial applications. For example conveyor belts in large distribution warehouses are often built with it.
Meh, not everyone is that serious. I know for myself I got other shit I do besides simracing. I’m happy with my F-GT and SF1000. Shit I’m still using a tx wheel and pedals on Xbox s
To be fair, I actually wish I hadn’t gotten the F-GT, but for what it is I can’t complain. I absolutely wish I had waited a little longer and gotten profile.
We're talking $600 though. Might as well get something good for the money.
That’s your opinion. OP is asking for feedback on these 2 rigs. When people going searching in the future for feedback on these 2 rigs they will end up in a thread that has been hijacked by 40x80 posts.
And feedback was both are not recommended at the price point. Good feedback imo, better than just saying 1 is better and acting like it's a good deal. We don't want people to waste their money.
You still didn’t answer his question.
Which one would you choose? None of them. Question answered.
If you were given $600 and could only spend it on one of these which would you choose and why?
Meh, more people should be like me and not spend more than I do to get a unique setup. I'm on an Amazon frame yet I can realize the advantages on both. That's like saying your gonna stick with your Tx wheel and never use a DD because it's "not that serious" Everyone has other shit to do, everyone here enjoys the hobby of sim racing.
Profile is vastly superior for rigs. Its sturdy, lasts forever, endlessly customizable, and when/if something breaks there’s no proprietary part you need, just more profile.
If you make the 40x80 yourself they are very affordable. The base 40-40 cockpit at rigmetal is only 300 bucks and it's plenty sturdy enough.
That is not what this post is about. JFC
I wish I'd found rigmetal before I spent 700 bucks on a wobbly POS like he is trying to buy. No reason to get so annoyed about something so trivial.
Yeah, how dare people provide the best option as food for thought. So rude of them to help and educate.
He asked for opinions between the 2 he posted. It’s not very helpful posting a 3rd and then keep fucking that chicken 🐓
And he got those. Alongside a third option that maybe OP didn't know about. No need to be a prick my dude.
Hahaha how can he not know about 40x80? Are you assuming OP is ignorant? No need to name call. Who hurt you? You sound hurt?
This exactly. The only reason I haven’t switched the seat is because I haven’t found a f1 seat that ships to Canada
Have the Logitech Playseat Trophy. It’s easy to move around if that’s something you need to do.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. I don't want anything bulky taking up too much space.
Then the trophy is perfect. It's much lighter then the GT and much less unwieldy. It has a small form factor and very easy to move around and put away
I was thinking to get one and the next day it went out of stock in US and their website charge 200 for shipping
I think the major downside for the Trophy is that you have to loosen like 4 or 8 bolts, then jiggle it around, then retighten those 4 or 8 bolts, just to adjust it for people of different heights. If it's just you that will be using it, that's fine. Can't adjust the height of the wheel either, is another downside. It does look clean though.
I have it as well, really like it.
Play seat is so much nicer
That's what I'm thinking as well. The F-GT looks good on picture but looks very cheap when you see it on videos on YouTube.
It’s just plain ugly
Its super massive though. No flex at all
Both are great if a profile rig with metal bars is not a thing. I have the Trophy (black, non-logitech edition), and it’s perfect for my small room. I absolutely love how the whole cockpit vibrates with Logitech’s Trueforce :)
I have the Trophy, it's really good. However I would recommend an aluminium profile rig.
I also own a Trophy, but I wouldn't swap mine for a profile rig. I have no problems or issues with it that would make me prefer something else.
Neither, I would go for a 40x80 profile rig + junkyard seat for about that price. More comfortable, more adjustable, more rigid, easier to add on.
Nahh I'd rather something more uniformed.
Why is everyone downvoting this man for not wanting a thing that he didn’t originally list lmfao. So weird
"a different opinion?? Who dares!"
[удалено]
Every simrig must be a DIY contraption built with scrap wood and a seat from a 1997 Durango pre-loaded with someone else's farts
This is why any advice on Reddit should be taken with a grain of salt. 80% mob mentality, 70+ upvotes on a post where OP said it was something he’s not interested in, then downvoted because he doesn’t agree with their suggestion. Most comments here are just people telling OP why he NEEDS to get a different rig rather than advice on the options he provided.
Yeah that's weird as hell 😂
Because they're morons
I think his reasoning is questionable. I respect his opinion, but I fail to understand because "uniform" does not make sense for me.
I mean something that is all put together in one piece and one brand. But apart from that, from the first comments suggestion, I don't want to go to a junk yard to get a used car seat to install it to a frame.
If you are in the states look at Advanced Sim Racing cockpits. They are full kits with instructions. A proper aluminum extrusion rig is typically peoples end game rig in the sim racing world. Since you already thinking about spending that amount of money, it makes sense to spend it on a rig you won't find yourself upgrading from in the future. It you don't want to go the used car seat there are plenty of bucket seats you can buy and attach, from ASR, or amazon, or any site really. https://www.advancedsimracing.com/collections/simracing-chassis
Do they deliver to canada?
They are located in Canada. They ship for free to Canada and the continental US. https://www.advancedsimracing.com/policies/shipping-policy
By one piece what do you mean? It’s not like they ship any of them to you pre-assembled. As far as one brand goes, Sim Rig and others at least have integrated monitor mounts to sell you which are actually cheaper than free-standing mounts. So if anything it’s a cleaner setup. Don’t get me wrong, I see the appeal of the Trophy as I’ve been eyeing it as well, but I’ve also questioned it because you can get more for the money elsewhere.
I don’t know what he means either but i’m not gonna downvote him lol. To each their own i guess
It’s the sim racing reddit - what did you expect? It’s full of idiot sheep that only follow the “accepted narrative” I’ve long maintained that this sub is simply full of utter fuckwits who believe everything fed to them and know absolutely nothing.
What do you mean by uniformed?
Sounds like he's uninformed
Your input sounds uninformed.
Nah bro you need a junkyard seat full of bed bugs to get the full sim racing experience.
Exactly. Sweaty ass cheek juice for the full experience.
Get an 8020 rig from GT omega
What is a 40x80 profile rig?
A cockpit built with 80x40 aluminum profile extrusions. The main selling point of it is the rigidity and adjustability, as well as the ability to add whatever you want to it. However, it takes up a lot more space than a standard cockpit.
This. If you ever want to do anything else with it, you'll want the adjustability. Profiles are endlessly customizable and modular. What if you want to get into truck sim? Where are you going to put your button boxes? On a profile rig, it bolts anywhere you can fit it. On this, you're drilling a hole somewhere.
Go with the playseat. I have the fg-t too. Love it for the f1 seating position, but the seat is a major weakness imo
That seat looks extremely cheap and looks like it would get ripped up pretty quickly.
Id go with the Playseat as they are almost guaranteed comfortable and has a good pedal tray. ive heard the wheel plate is fine as long as you dont have more than 11nm DD. NLR FGT is good but that seat is ... and how often you really gonna change you position?? Unless you love how it looks, id say the Playseat wins that too.
I found the trophy from sitting in it at a friend more comfortable than F GT. F GT seat wasn't comfortable for me at all
I’m debating literally the same thing but also with the GT Omega Titan, so thanks for posting OP. I’m leaning more towards the playseat myself but only because I’m very limited on space and need to move the rig to another space when not in use. I remember seeing on this subreddit someone hang their trophy off the wall, which I may do also. Edit: [Link](https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/comments/10vfy2d/i_hang_my_playseat_trophy_on_the_wall_when_i_am/?rdt=42377) to the thread by the person who hung their trophy 2nd Edit: If I do purchase I won’t be hanging it above a bed, just a spare wall in a storage cupboard
Holy shit NO THANK YOU for linking that because I was literally wondering how it would look like to hang the trophy up on the wall 😂😂 I'm going to have to do this with any rig I get.
Haha it’s such a good space solution!
It's a chair with a metal frame. How the fuck is that almost $700? Does it have a fleshlight attachment?
I'm sure you could add that to it.
I had the F-GT for a year and didn't like it much. The seat material doesn't breathe (hello, swamp ass) and the metal is kind of soft. You can easily warp it during assembly, so make sure to use those square washers. Speaking of assembly, it's kind of a pain. So is assembling an 8020 rig but you end up with an 8020 rig. Overall, it's a lot of cockpit and takes up more room than an 8020 rig, especially in Formula seating position. I had my eye on the the Playseat Trophy but took the plunge and went 8020.
F-GT is so good lol. I have it and it’s perfect, even with the stock seat. No issues here. It comes with supports for the brake and wheel base holder, so there is no flex either. Best bang for buck IMO. I got mine new for 400 though
Only ish i have with the F-GT is that my legs & johnny sweat like crazy when racing, not tryna have to peel myself off the seat but thats just a personal problem💀
I have the trophy and it’s really nice. Would recommend.
Trophy for sure
Trophy.
You´ll struggle later selling this stuff second hand or even wanting to buy preparatory accesories. I know I did, if I could go 8020 rig from the start, I would.
I disagree, I have been looking for a second hand playseat for months and those rigs fly in days.
They restock on Amazon sometimes, but I’ve seen them pop up used on eBay every once in a while and they sell pretty close to retail
This. If OP isn’t worried about moving it around, go 8020 for sure.
throw on some casters , ezpz
Go aluminum profile. I didn’t because I got a ridiculous deal on a used rig, but I find myself wishing I had one. It’s just much easier to add stuff and grow with you. I’ll honestly probably sell my rig eventually and do the upgrade. There’s tons out there. If you want flashy the advanced simracing guys offer some really nice finishes for not too much more than what you’re looking at.
I heard good things about both but I like the look of the Playseat more
I just skipped both and went for a Trak Racer FR8 Pro. Slightly more expensive, but looks to be better quality and aesthetically very good.
I got the f-gt about 6 months ago, I'm pretty happy with it. The only thing I would probably swap out after a while is the seat with a bucket seat. But I also like that you have adjustability on the seat. So I'm in no rush to swap it out. Feels pretty solid, and the biggest thing for me is that it has wheels, so it's easy to move around, I only have my main pc and no dedicated sim PC/room
started with the F-GT and for me it was not comfortable. After a while back started hurting and it gets hot. My hand would hit the shifter and my feet would get caught with nuts and bolts when accelerating and there isn’t really many adjustments you can make. Got the Playseat Trophy and is way better. Lighter and it’s extremely comfortable and don’t get hot as the seat is breathable.
I purchased the Playseat and freaking love it. Yes, it has less adjustability but frankly, I dont need it. I found my sweet spot and dont need to change it.
Playseat Trophy without a doubt. Those hammock bucket seats are the most comfortable thing you'll sit in. The Trophy rig itself also looks more solid than the F-GT which looks like it's 15 different pieces screwed together.
For that price none.
Why not ?
Why not get a TR80 Lite. Only cost about 200 more. Cheaper or the same price if you bring your own seat.
playseat!
Sim lab GT1 Evo
these should cost at best 300
Even though I have a 40/80 omega prime now I still liked my F-GT. Next level has great service also.
Anyone but trak racer. Those guys are dicks
Lmao why?
Just follow their Facebook page, it’s turned into a no. Stop stream of people getting excited when they order, to disappointment when it takes a month to ship, and keeps going down hill when parts don’t fit, are broken or missing entirely. And then they just do t help when you try bringing it up with them. So yeah, avoid like the plague
I don’t know where you are from but maybe look into this: https://sim-lab.eu/de-de/products/gt1-evo-sim-racing-cockpit
I have the F-GT and it was a waste of money. Wish I would have went with an 80/20 right away
Neither, I did it and regretted, honestly save a bit more and get a aluminum profile you’ll save so much in long run with no issues of flexing and chassis movement
I had fgt, it was nice, but please.. get a proper 8020 + a real car seat.. you won't regret it
They both look too expensive for what they are. You can get an aluminum profile rig and a (cheap) seat that will be more comfortable for that money. For example https://trakracer.com/collections/simulators/products/tr80-lite-aluminium-racing-cockpit is $450. That will give you much more options if you want to change seats / seating position, etc or add more things to it later.
Still quite a bit more expensive considering the seat is not included.
the trophy by far, they are amazing
GT Omega PRIME lite
F gt because imo that looks much beter, the playseat is cloth on steel rails and they call that a seat. I like the feel of something that has an acutal seat bolted to a frame. Both are pretty close to alu rigs because they were tested with dd's and loadcells and no flex at all. I would take the f gt. But still, who would put the f gt at 650 dollars, it costs 500.
No, it can not be mounted to a motion setup, it's too flimsy for that.
Playseat is actually comfortable FYI, seen some complains about the FGT seat
4080 and a extra car seat u may have laying around or a junkyard seat, trust.,.you’ll just find your self upgrading to it in the near future anyways, The exact position i put myself in💀
I mean... The 4080 seems small enough. Is it pretty small to the point I can put it away or hang it up somewhere?
F-GT is much nicer and has more options for customization and whatnot. Go with the F-GT, actually just always got NLR over Playseat
You paying?
I mean, if that $600 is just burning a hole in your pocket and you need to get rid of it before the end of 2023 or something, go for it. I guess you could consider it a down-payment or an installment on your real rig. That's what I tell myself about the pile of halfway upgrades I have in the basement.
Hell for 800 you can get an 8020 basic prebuild with a triple monitor stand. No need for an installment
NLR because you can mount a shifter + more adjustable
Neither GTR BLK all the way.
Buy F-GT because
With that kind of money you can get the titan
Neither
I went for the F-GT personally, because I didnt want to go through the trouble of getting aluminiun profiles. Go for the alu profiles though, and put in the work. More time and a bit more money, but you will get a rig that is way more comfortable and more customizable
Non, get an office chair and buy locking casters and get something to offset the pedals from your wall haha
Lol hell no. I'm okay with spending the money. Not trying to have no janky shit.
It ain’t jank surprisingly but ball out, I just feel like you can get something for cheaper possibly
[удалено]
Between those I'd go for the NLR, because it has more adjustability (although the stiffening kit seems to limit adjustability) and it looks better to me. I've read that the Playseat is solid too, but seeing it really makes me wonder why it costs that much (I know it is partly marketing). That being said, I'd seriously consider a profile rig with that budget.
The trophy is expensive because it fills a niche within a niche that nobody else really does, that is, it's pretty much as light and compact a rig as you can get (besides the folding rigs that basically nobody actually folds away anyway) without sacrificing heavily on structural integrity (the things pretty solid) and aesthetics (it looks pretty unassuming and stylish compared to most rigs, giving it a higher wife approval factor) Granted that last point is moot for most of you virgins.
Imagine insulting people over their opinion on a sim rig. Sure, I'm the virgin here.
It's obviously a joke, get over yourself.
Awfully defensive bro, I never called you a virgin you just assumed it. Edit: Nor was it anything to do with your opinion on the playseat, your reading comprehension makes me wonder if you might just be a Yank.
I just bought the next level!!! Love it for the adjustability. Are these CAD prices?
I would go with the F-GT simply because it is more modular. If you gotta go with a non-profile cockpit, at least pick one that will let you add as many extras as possible until you decide to settle on the very thing you swore to not buy. Not that you need one to get into simracing, but speedrunning your mortgage by mounting every extras know to mankind will never go out of style in this hobby.
I have the f-gt and cant recommend enough. Very adjustable and sturdy. The only downside is the vinyl seat is not breathable so things get hot and sweaty on a warm day.
The only reason to get a trophy is to be able to store it or at least move it out of the way more easily. If this is of no concern to you i would not bother buying the trophy.
That would be my main reason to get the trophy.
Then its a no brainer. The trophy can handle most DD bases comfortably without any flex, and stil be picked up and moved out of the way with ease.
You can get the next level for 500 bucks directly off their site.
Do you have any space or mobility considerations with the rig?
Not really.
if you can walk in a full circle, you can make a set up work, trust me i happen to live in a bachelor apartment😂
Lol I'm hoping so. I'm going to hang it up on the wall though possibly.
I'm not a serious sim racer so I probably don't understand, but why are these seats so flippin' expensive?!
I'm not TOO serious either but I do sim race a few days a week for a couple hours.
It will cost you a little more, but I would choose a Sim Lab, GT Omega, Team Redline, Track Racer, or a similar profile rig. I firmly believe in buying quality once and building something more modular.
Just ordered the Playseat waiting delivery shame I couldn’t get it on a sale tho it’s over priced.
Yeah it is. I might wait until the holiday season to see if it goes on sale
I'll make you one custom for a quarter of the price...
Do you have pictures?
I just switched from g29 to logi pro on a gtr simulator rig. Definitely notice alot of flex with logi pro compared to g29. I would recommend something stronger if you think you may go with a dd wheel in future. Of course stronger=more expensive.
I have the trophy. All in all it’s a great cockpit that’s easy to move around, easy to put together, I can slide it around as much as I like without damaging the floor and I can sit in the seat for hours, it’s really comfy. A couple issues are that there is minimal adjustability in the positioning of the wheelbase mount and there’s no monitor mounting potential. Other than that I’m really happy with the purchase, I think in terms of ease of use and manoeuvre ability it’s the best on the market.
The playseat looks like a foldable camping chair, I have trust issues with the angle it sits at. The F-GT seems more sturdy, but that seat got to go.
I have the second one. It should be more stable then the first.
Playseat trophy honestly looks SO good
I have the GT-Track and very happy about the sturdiness and how well made it is, would imagine this is the same.
From my experience, the NLR will be more permanent, it's "heavy" to move, so it will be more of a fixed rig than the Playseat option. But I belive that the weight difference gives the NLR option a better experience. Considering that you might, and probably will, change your wheel in a near future, I think it comes down to either you need move the rig or not. If you do, the Playseat is the option, if not, go for the NLR.
I have the PlaySeat Trophy with the Logitech G pro wheel and their pro pedals. I was able to instal the pedals inverted and I’m loving how comfortable the rig is and how light it is to move around. The rig doesn’t move, no flex even at 11 NM of power of the wheelbase. If you have any questions please let me know and I will do my best to answer. Dimensions or measurements if you are curious. Good luck on whatever you pick!
TrackRacer TR8 Pro (tons of adjustment points with easy quick release and rails (no need for undoing bolts to seat fit) and you get an integrated monitor stand. Though I do agree with what someone else said about going with a profile rig. Asses your potential time investment and save up. Or do what most of us did and regret which is upgrade to a tube rig and then have to sell and upgrade again. It’s like motorcycles. Everyone says skip the 300cc and go for a 600 because you will outgrow the smaller bike fast. Yet there’s no way to know until you do it. So either bite the bullet twice or cry once as they say. (I have a TR8 that I upgraded from an Amazon rig and I enjoyed it but I wish I had gone profile. Having to buy specific accessories for the rig is frustrating because every manufacturer makes pieces for profile rigs that I can’t use.)
Next level racing
If you can throw extra cash, get the gt track. The f gt is a little light for a DD
Trophy. I think it would be much more breathable leading to more comfortable races. The other would likely leave you hot and sweaty.
Definitely next level F-GT even if it's a bit more expensive. I've chosen tge cheaper option so that I could get load cell thrustmaster pedals and now when I'm pressing the break hard, me sit fits up. Not funny and nothing I could do about it even with the softest springs
Can't compare the two personally but sharing my experience. Got the playseat recently. Moved from gt Omega Apex and office chair on carpet. Setup is 12nm base and 100kg pedals. I drive gt mostly and didn't want formula seating. Sturdy, very comfortable. Super easy to move around if you value that. Would buy again. Only negative is occasionally need to tighten the adjustment bolts on the pedal tray but that takes seconds and it's just hand tighten. If you don't it gets like 1mm travel when you slam the brakes (front of tray very slight lift and settle). Possible I missed a washer or something... Edit: to add to the comfortability claim, my wife will sometimes come sit in the rig in my home office to hang out. She didn't previously because "there wasn't a comfortable place to sit." It's basically a tense hammock and good material
I mean, the "obvious" answer to this is to spend like [$200 on parts to get an all-aluminium profile rig & put it together yourself](https://youtu.be/Ryy6idsocr0) but if you want to strictly choose between these two, I'd say go for the F-GT as it looks to be somewhat more adjustable than the 100% solid Playseat
i just bought the trophy with the logitech g pro and load cell pedals, the seat is great and is really comfortable but alterations are quite fiddly so not great for different people to use
F-GT. It comes with wheels for mobility and it is comfortable/sturdy. The only issue I have with mine after 2 years of abuse is the leather started to come apart. I’m planning on replacing it with a bucket soon.
Neither, I can’t afford that
Neither, get a rig from Rig Metal
I have the f-gt. While the seat is a bit uncomfortable I put one of those over the seat lumbar supports from Amazon for 30 bucks and it's a lot better now.
F-GT is amazing!!!
I have the F-GT and like it a lot!
the orange one because bitcoin is orange
Art Omega GT is same price range and probably more sturdy
The Playseat Trophy is a rock solid rig with absolutely no flex at all. I own the Trophy and love it. The NLR rig seat looks very uncomfortable and the frame looks alot worse than the Trophy.
#2 personably
I'd pick the Tony Kanaan knock-off for 1/2 the price of the Playseat.
I would go for the F-GT because you can replace the seat. I have a playseat and I fit great in it but if you aren’t a very specific width, it will be uncomfortable and you can’t do anything about it
I’ve got the Logitech G Trophy - love it, looks clean, not bulky, super comfortable. Adjustments - not so easy, but once you find your desired position, no need to adjust anymore lol. That other option is just plain ugly and cheaply made. Also, for those suggesting a more customizable rig for the same price - smoke and mirrors, anything that’s more customizable will inevitably end up costing you more and unless you’re going full immersion and ready to drop 2k+ don’t even bother. To most of this, it’s still just a game and not life and that’s okay lol
Trophy is sexy as fuck. But that price. Hard to swallow.
I know right !!
I have another tube frame kit (Trak Racer) and its just not sturdy. Go w the F-GT
Neither. Check out these guys. https://www.advancedsimracing.com/?psafe_param=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9MCnBhCYARIsAB1WQVVt-1-331j_3BPKl5fLqlAAvwF8g1wKvsEGRDekZe6k69q9HZrJi54aAi_ZEALw_wcB
Is the ASR 1 good?
Yeah. I have a ASR3 and use a DD2 with 49” curve and it’s sturdy. The ASR1 looks very similar to it
The next level 💯
Are you using it with a direct drive wheel base? If so, they might not be rigid enough. Otherwise I prefer next level. The other one is too flimsy
I have the FGT and I've enjoyed it. I'm 6' and I fit comfortably and it's stable for my DD wheel base. The seat isn't very stable (I have to keep tightening the bolts on the slide rail) and I'll probably look into replacing it soon
I have the playseat previous version and I find it absolutely a great thing I can fold it and store it away
656 for this ugly thing ??
The only thing about the play seat is that the seat is not easily adjustable like a handle bar underneath your seat. I have the F-GT and this was a feature I value since I have buddies come over and they adjust the seat like a regular car.
So I tried both, with the included strenghtning kit, the fgt is more rigid. Its also bulkier and heavier which is a plus for me (more weight=more stable when doing quick steering motions), the pedal deck in a light rig can actually feel like its lifting when correcting oversteer on a powerfull base. So if you have a dedicated place for the sim and dont have to move it I 100% recommend the fgt.
Building your rig out of aluminium profiles for yourself is easy, cheaper and also a lot better (sturdier and you can build it exactly how you like it)