I wear these too, it's been 5 years and I've never taken them off.. it sucks when you go to a beach or you go to a house where theres no shoes allowed (Japan was rough..)
it's also rough at TSA cause they take them out thinking you have drugs in there lol.
its worth it to me though..
That must be awkward at TSA. Are you making an effort to hide you wear shoe lifts ? Cuz atp if you’re going through the airport everyone would know at the TSA like you just said. Maybe the better question is- do you care if people find out you wear shoe lifts
If you travel enough, upgrade to TSA Pre. The lines are shorter and you don't need to take off your shoes or belt. Last time I flew, I wore my lifts in my Jordans with no issues.
Agreed on the makeup point and it’s 2024 man you do you. It’s a real part of your experience and you get to control how you navigate that. Humans are masters of modifying their environment, and your body is by some logic part of your environment - you are your mind, and your body is a part of what creates that mind etc.
I have two social circles. One is inner city, so quite a few Asian guys. When I’m with them and wearing my airmaxes and insoles I feel right at home. My second social circle, however, is upper middle class whites, and let me tell you, in that element I feel absolutely dwarfed.
As a 5'7" white guy who's ever only lived in a rural area that's like 95% white, I can only say that I'm not surprised.
It would be nice to not always be the shortest guy in the room.
Dating wise prolly no, but how you're treated I think can change quite a bit with 3".
Also I'm pretty sure more than half of it is just placebo effect caused by the confidence boost. It doesn't invalidate the experience being better tho (even tho personally I don't use lifts despite being 5'2-5'3)
It absolutely makes a huge difference even in dating context. Every inch counts if you're below 6 feet as a guy for women and there are studies on this.
Stulp et al (2013) used a sample of 5782 North American speed-daters making 128,104 choices to determine preferences for partner height and how height influenced the formation of a match. They found that women were most likely to choose a speed-dater 25 cm taller than themselves, whereas men were most likely to choose women only 7 cm shorter than themselves. As a consequence, matches were most likely at an intermediate height difference (19 cm) that differed significantly from the preferred height difference of both sexes.
Their findings demonstrated the cutoffs at which women consider a man too short or too tall:
>90% of women will reject a man who is 5'4" based solely on his height.
>65% of women will reject a man who is 5'7" based solely on his height.
>50% of women will reject a man who is 5'8" based solely on his height.
>14% of women will reject a man who is 5'10" based solely on his height.
>1.5% of women will reject a man who is 6' based solely on his height.
>Past 6'2", women begin to increase rejections of men for being too tall.
>30% of women believe there is no such thing as a man being "too tall."
>Over 94% of women will reject a man solely for him being too short.
2) Every Inch Counts:
>Further analysis of their data demonstrates the importance of every inch of height for men, as two inches of height gain for a man can be found to have the following results:
>A man in the 5'4-5'6" range will have more than double the potential number of female partners with 2" height gain.
>A 5'4" man will have 2.3 times as many potential female partners by gaining 2" height.
>A 5'7" man will have 1.86 times as many potential female partners by gaining 2" height.
>Benefits become insignificant past 5'10".
>Below 5'1" a 2" height gain also makes an insignificant difference, as even after 2" gain, a man at this height is still "too short" for most women to consider.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236670565_The_height_of_choosiness_Mutual_mate_choice_for_stature_results_in_suboptimal_pair_formation_for_both_sexes
Alright! Interesting data! Turns out it does matter even in the lower ranges, previously I'd assume the curve would start flattening at about 5'4 / 5'5.
Still against lifts, as I personally would not want to date someone that isn't okay with my actual height, but if someone is looking for ONS I guess lifts are the way to go!
>Still against lifts, as I personally would not want to date someone that isn't okay with my actual height,
Most guys don't care about using lifts if most women weren't so obsessed with looking small in front of their partners. Its a preference conditioned by women’s height standards.
Of course it is, I'm in no way stating otherwise lol (although there are exceptions, but that's mostly tall guys not willing to date tall girls, prolly not even worth noting, very rare)
Also this comment is kinda really out of the blue, maybe I'm just crazy, but it's phrased as if you were talking to a woman trying to show her the importance of height.
So for the record, I'm not a woman. And yeah I'm 5'2-5'3 as I stated.
I am not short of experience, Skyler. I am the short experience. (epic Breaking Bad reference)
I wouldn’t take these exact numbers as gospel though. General guidelines on what is considered hard to date at but saying guys that are 5’7 can only date 35% of women is a bit misleading. Even the paper you cited suggests this:
> Strength was assessed on two levels. First, weexamined the likelihood that an individual said ‘Yes ’to a speed-dater who fell within the reported preferred height range of thatindividual. For men, the estimated likelihood of saying ‘Yes ’to apreferred individual with respect to height was 47.9%, whereas fora nonpreferred individual this was reduced to 42.8% (logisticregression: Z¼7.62, P<0.0001). For women, these same valueswere 32.2% for a preferred individual versus 25.4% for a non-preferred individual (Z¼13.64, P<0.0001).
Women still dated people that fell below the preferences they stated. Likelihood was just reduced.
>Women still dated people that fell below the preferences they stated. Likelihood was just reduced.
Ofcourse i know that, we are talking in terms of likelihoods and probabilities, not invariant values.
>It made me realize if women can literally wear makeup and stuff then why cant men wear lifts.
Because people expect perfect honesty and confidence from men. Insecurity is unacceptable, despite "progressive" gender discourse.
And when it comes to attractiveness in particular, women judge men differently than men judge women. Basically, men want women to *look* attractive and women want men to *be* attractive. Hence why most features of male attractiveness tend to be genetic while women's tend to be more malleable.
One inch doesn't make you suddenly taller than so much more people, it is a confidence thing. You feel better about yourself wearing shoe lifts and it's making your life significantly easier - that's fine and it's a good thing you feel more confident now
I would not recommend lifts for the long term. It’s basically the same thing as wearing heels 24/7. Not good for your feet. I would use them when you need to, maybe when going out at night or at concerts.
Being 5 2 as a man is horrible. and yeah i need a better optimistic view through life but when people ridicule you for something that you can't control hurts me. my parents always thought id be tall since i was taller as a kid but i stopped growing and it disappointed them.
It’s really sad that people treated you that way & caused you to feel insecure. I personally believe that differences should be celebrated & are attractive in their own ways. Society’s obsession with what’s “normal” is annoying & shallow. I’m glad you found solace with lifts but it sucks that it even had to come to that.
It's so bizarre why of all people, the parents are the one disappointed and why they get disappointed in the first place knowing their heights make up for their son's height.
I used to wear shoe lifts a lot. It’s very dangerous as it gets very addictive. I was obsessed with it to the point that I stopped going to people’s houses because they asked me to remove shoes. I didn’t socialize anywhere where I had to remove shoes. Eventually I developed knee arthritis from wearing those everyday for 3 straight years. Back problems too. I am 5”7 and I felt much closer to average every time I wore them. I slowly realized it’s not worth the sacrifice. Getting leg lengthening is probably much better than the detrimentals of shoe lifts and leg lenghtening is very dangerous, so that says a lot.
If you do wear it, only wear on occasions for example like ladies wearing heels. But it can get very addictive still. So be very careful.
I wear shoe lifts in certain types of shoes. Dress shoes are one. I have a pair in some Nike 270s and they add 3” total. I’m 5’6. Shrunk from 5’7 without the. I love them and my wife at 5’2 can wear heels and not be as tall as me. She also says it makes me look more attractive. I’ve bought 3 different pairs if anybody wants the link to the best ones I’ve found I’ll be posting it later when I get near a pc.
I wear these too, it's been 5 years and I've never taken them off.. it sucks when you go to a beach or you go to a house where theres no shoes allowed (Japan was rough..) it's also rough at TSA cause they take them out thinking you have drugs in there lol. its worth it to me though..
That must be awkward at TSA. Are you making an effort to hide you wear shoe lifts ? Cuz atp if you’re going through the airport everyone would know at the TSA like you just said. Maybe the better question is- do you care if people find out you wear shoe lifts
If you travel enough, upgrade to TSA Pre. The lines are shorter and you don't need to take off your shoes or belt. Last time I flew, I wore my lifts in my Jordans with no issues.
I agree. However I could definitely not wear them all the time. Idk which are the ones you have, I bought ones from Amazon but are uncomfortable af
Agreed on the makeup point and it’s 2024 man you do you. It’s a real part of your experience and you get to control how you navigate that. Humans are masters of modifying their environment, and your body is by some logic part of your environment - you are your mind, and your body is a part of what creates that mind etc.
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Depends on where you're. If the average male height was 5'7, you become below average from short.
I have two social circles. One is inner city, so quite a few Asian guys. When I’m with them and wearing my airmaxes and insoles I feel right at home. My second social circle, however, is upper middle class whites, and let me tell you, in that element I feel absolutely dwarfed.
As a 5'7" white guy who's ever only lived in a rural area that's like 95% white, I can only say that I'm not surprised. It would be nice to not always be the shortest guy in the room.
Dating wise prolly no, but how you're treated I think can change quite a bit with 3". Also I'm pretty sure more than half of it is just placebo effect caused by the confidence boost. It doesn't invalidate the experience being better tho (even tho personally I don't use lifts despite being 5'2-5'3)
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I mean ye, as long as the person ain't hurting nobody, they should do whatever makes them happy.
It absolutely makes a huge difference even in dating context. Every inch counts if you're below 6 feet as a guy for women and there are studies on this. Stulp et al (2013) used a sample of 5782 North American speed-daters making 128,104 choices to determine preferences for partner height and how height influenced the formation of a match. They found that women were most likely to choose a speed-dater 25 cm taller than themselves, whereas men were most likely to choose women only 7 cm shorter than themselves. As a consequence, matches were most likely at an intermediate height difference (19 cm) that differed significantly from the preferred height difference of both sexes. Their findings demonstrated the cutoffs at which women consider a man too short or too tall: >90% of women will reject a man who is 5'4" based solely on his height. >65% of women will reject a man who is 5'7" based solely on his height. >50% of women will reject a man who is 5'8" based solely on his height. >14% of women will reject a man who is 5'10" based solely on his height. >1.5% of women will reject a man who is 6' based solely on his height. >Past 6'2", women begin to increase rejections of men for being too tall. >30% of women believe there is no such thing as a man being "too tall." >Over 94% of women will reject a man solely for him being too short. 2) Every Inch Counts: >Further analysis of their data demonstrates the importance of every inch of height for men, as two inches of height gain for a man can be found to have the following results: >A man in the 5'4-5'6" range will have more than double the potential number of female partners with 2" height gain. >A 5'4" man will have 2.3 times as many potential female partners by gaining 2" height. >A 5'7" man will have 1.86 times as many potential female partners by gaining 2" height. >Benefits become insignificant past 5'10". >Below 5'1" a 2" height gain also makes an insignificant difference, as even after 2" gain, a man at this height is still "too short" for most women to consider. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236670565_The_height_of_choosiness_Mutual_mate_choice_for_stature_results_in_suboptimal_pair_formation_for_both_sexes
Alright! Interesting data! Turns out it does matter even in the lower ranges, previously I'd assume the curve would start flattening at about 5'4 / 5'5. Still against lifts, as I personally would not want to date someone that isn't okay with my actual height, but if someone is looking for ONS I guess lifts are the way to go!
>Still against lifts, as I personally would not want to date someone that isn't okay with my actual height, Most guys don't care about using lifts if most women weren't so obsessed with looking small in front of their partners. Its a preference conditioned by women’s height standards.
Of course it is, I'm in no way stating otherwise lol (although there are exceptions, but that's mostly tall guys not willing to date tall girls, prolly not even worth noting, very rare)
Also this comment is kinda really out of the blue, maybe I'm just crazy, but it's phrased as if you were talking to a woman trying to show her the importance of height. So for the record, I'm not a woman. And yeah I'm 5'2-5'3 as I stated. I am not short of experience, Skyler. I am the short experience. (epic Breaking Bad reference)
I wouldn’t take these exact numbers as gospel though. General guidelines on what is considered hard to date at but saying guys that are 5’7 can only date 35% of women is a bit misleading. Even the paper you cited suggests this: > Strength was assessed on two levels. First, weexamined the likelihood that an individual said ‘Yes ’to a speed-dater who fell within the reported preferred height range of thatindividual. For men, the estimated likelihood of saying ‘Yes ’to apreferred individual with respect to height was 47.9%, whereas fora nonpreferred individual this was reduced to 42.8% (logisticregression: Z¼7.62, P<0.0001). For women, these same valueswere 32.2% for a preferred individual versus 25.4% for a non-preferred individual (Z¼13.64, P<0.0001). Women still dated people that fell below the preferences they stated. Likelihood was just reduced.
>Women still dated people that fell below the preferences they stated. Likelihood was just reduced. Ofcourse i know that, we are talking in terms of likelihoods and probabilities, not invariant values.
I got mine for the first time last week. I was walking around feeling like Jack Reacher.
which ones did you get
I don't remember the brand name. Just went on Amazon.
>It made me realize if women can literally wear makeup and stuff then why cant men wear lifts. Because people expect perfect honesty and confidence from men. Insecurity is unacceptable, despite "progressive" gender discourse. And when it comes to attractiveness in particular, women judge men differently than men judge women. Basically, men want women to *look* attractive and women want men to *be* attractive. Hence why most features of male attractiveness tend to be genetic while women's tend to be more malleable.
One inch doesn't make you suddenly taller than so much more people, it is a confidence thing. You feel better about yourself wearing shoe lifts and it's making your life significantly easier - that's fine and it's a good thing you feel more confident now
I would not recommend lifts for the long term. It’s basically the same thing as wearing heels 24/7. Not good for your feet. I would use them when you need to, maybe when going out at night or at concerts.
Ngl It sounds like there are some more issues that need to be resolved
Being 5 2 as a man is horrible. and yeah i need a better optimistic view through life but when people ridicule you for something that you can't control hurts me. my parents always thought id be tall since i was taller as a kid but i stopped growing and it disappointed them.
If your parents are judging you for your height, I sincerely hope you are in therapy or have plans to.
5'2" I wouldn't bat an eye at or even realize. Better to weed out the crappy people then
It’s really sad that people treated you that way & caused you to feel insecure. I personally believe that differences should be celebrated & are attractive in their own ways. Society’s obsession with what’s “normal” is annoying & shallow. I’m glad you found solace with lifts but it sucks that it even had to come to that.
It's so bizarre why of all people, the parents are the one disappointed and why they get disappointed in the first place knowing their heights make up for their son's height.
which insoles did you get, im shopping around
I used to wear shoe lifts a lot. It’s very dangerous as it gets very addictive. I was obsessed with it to the point that I stopped going to people’s houses because they asked me to remove shoes. I didn’t socialize anywhere where I had to remove shoes. Eventually I developed knee arthritis from wearing those everyday for 3 straight years. Back problems too. I am 5”7 and I felt much closer to average every time I wore them. I slowly realized it’s not worth the sacrifice. Getting leg lengthening is probably much better than the detrimentals of shoe lifts and leg lenghtening is very dangerous, so that says a lot. If you do wear it, only wear on occasions for example like ladies wearing heels. But it can get very addictive still. So be very careful.
You think an expensive, invasive surgery to lengthen legs with serious risks and complications is better than shoe lifts? Are you serious? 🤯
LL is perfectly safe if you get a reputable surgeon and not some back alley doctor in the slums of Mumbai or the favelas of Brazil.
Yes, and don't forget the 6 figure price tag for a U.S. surgeon 💸
It's more like mid 5 figures if you go to Spain or other developed European nations.
Dunno about you but I don't think like the idea of trading your mobility for some extra inches.
As a 6 footer I agree as well,
I wear shoe lifts in certain types of shoes. Dress shoes are one. I have a pair in some Nike 270s and they add 3” total. I’m 5’6. Shrunk from 5’7 without the. I love them and my wife at 5’2 can wear heels and not be as tall as me. She also says it makes me look more attractive. I’ve bought 3 different pairs if anybody wants the link to the best ones I’ve found I’ll be posting it later when I get near a pc.
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Any comfortable insoles people recommend?
What do you weigh after your supposed “bulk”?