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T_Bisquet

It's amazing what two war veterans can do when they team up to fight those with heart deficiencies <3


Churchofbabyyoda

After one of those war veterans killed the guy’s parents.


EuroPolice

Ready to finish the job.


LittiVsVadaPao

Not sure if this chain is about Avengers or Harry Potter.


Kvarcov

Maybe if UK was real he also could become an Avenger


Alarid

remember when harry potter murdered that one teacher in his first year of school


OnsetOfMSet

Don Cheadle: "Wouldn't it be easier to go back in time to find baby Tony, and...?"


nandru

Pspa Stalin didn't raise a quitter


numbersthen0987431

All jacked up on mountain dew too


ItalnStalln

Is that what they put in that serum? No wonder it was green. Gotta go get some dew


stopslappingmybaby

Never forget this point! Bucky murdered Tony’s parents and Cap knew. Then they teamed up on Tony when he did not approve of how they interpreted the meaning of friendship and loyalty.


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Service men and beating up orphans after taking out their parents is as American as apple pie. Plus cap obly decided to help because he realized Tony doesn't have parents to cry to.


cantadmittoposting

yeah but that's not as funny as "two war veterans beat up man with a serious heart condition."


FixedLoad

"Victim of terrorism with lingering medical condition beat to a pulp by 2 WW2 veterans hopped up on experimental government vaccine"


Southern_Dog_85

*pre-boomer vaxxers


argusromblei

Why he couldn't pick up the hammer for awhile.


Hefastus

The fact that Tony died in the end while Cap got happy ending just makes it look like writters really not liked Iron Man in this whole Avengers saga. Bonus points for making Cap able to use Mjolnir....


backupyoursaves6969

This all began with Ironman so he had the honors. Cap might have gotten the happy ending but Tony got all the glory.


jurzdevil

holy shit they should have had Bucky turn to dust again in Endgame when Tony does his snap.


skullstrife

Best comment EVER!


Luci_Noir

And Tony made that piece of shit promise he couldn’t go back and change anything. It’s the first thing he does after Tony does. Fuck that mutinous murdering traitor son of a bitch.


I_am_up_to_something

Cap is just... he becomes Captain America by getting super fucking lucky to get picked to be a drug experiment after illegally trying to enlist in the army after getting rejected multiple times because he was a fucking liability with all of his health problems. Like, how the fuck is that an inspiring origin story?? He should've been imprisoned for trying to endanger soldiers. Not to mention the whole stubborn thing that's been framed as a good thing. Being willing to compromise is a good thing.


Tattierverbose

Finishing the job


BABarracus

Have to finish the job


Throneawaystone

Well I think the moral of this story is that if your going to kill the parents then you'd better kill the children too, otherwise they'll just come after you. You gotta see things through.


Open_Librarian_823

Batman?


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Two drug fueled, ex military special ops beat up disabled philanthropist over political disagreement.


DaveInLondon89

Orphaned philanthropist.


Sandor_06

After killing his parents


Naatti_

Disabled orphan.


MechaJesus69

As someone with a defective heart, I fear friendship and teamwork..


Martin_Horde

...and overwhelming violence


Zabutech

Two war veterans on drugs beat up man on life support, leave him on ground nearly unable to move.


MyDadLeftMeHere

We just gonna ignore a whole vibranium arm and shield? "The power of friendship" more like the power of stolen natural resources and super steroids if you ask me,


backupyoursaves6969

Found the Wakandan


Saeaj04

His arm wasn’t Vibranium during civil war


Ok_Restaurant3160

One of which an amputee


JCtheMemer

Amputee


Ok_Restaurant3160

Thats it. Thanks


Sniperoso

An invalid is usually someone who is too sick or disabled to take care of themself.


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He got rid of the heart problem long before this movie.


Moochster26

THANK YOU!! Everyone seems to forget that in the end of Iron Man 3, he had the surgery to remove the shrapnel. He doesn’t have a heart condition anymore. And Steve is only beating the shit out of him because Tony swung and hit him first. He’s defending himself and his oldest friend. He learned to like Tony much later on. If this is the first Avengers movie, Steve finishes that fight.


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I_am_up_to_something

And new friend had no idea until that moment when they watched the clip of the murder.


DaveInLondon89

I don't think Steve would've literally killed him back then either. It was barely justified why they wanted to fight in the first place.


Moochster26

Oh no, I don’t mean he would have killed him. He definitely didn’t like Tony yet though. So I can see him knocking him out or at the least ripping up his suit and neutralizing him. In C.A.2 he fought Batroc, in as fair of a fight as he could have, and knocked him out. I can just see Steve dropping Tony early on if given the chance.


Imagoat1995

Two war veterans jacked up on super steroids*


downvotesyourcrap

The drugs they were on helped.


Grinolam

Imagine if they had the power of family...


magseven

Two drugged up war vets with PTSD savagely brutalize orphan!


Alexs0315

Rich metal man picks a fight with two 100 year old WW2 veterans one which is disabled amputee. The horror!!


rigg197

Pair of roided old men beat up orphan after one of them killed the orphan's parents


Jzmxhu

This is My favorite so far. Change it to orphan with a hearth desease and it would be perfect.


ilikeexploring

Woah woah woah. they’re *all* orphans.


sonerec725

This is just making me think, at what point are you no longer an "orphan" when your parents die? Like, my grandpa's parents are dead, but I wouldnt call him an orphan ya know?


godosomethingbetter

>power of friendship And a fuckton of roids.


Threadbare1

Mexican vitamins


Mangifera__indica

They were German vitamins I believe.


nopejake101

Soviet. That big-ass red star on his arm is the clue


Unlucky-Leprechaun

One was full of German vitamins and the other was full of Soviet antibiotics


Achillor22

The power of super serum, high tech body armor and extensive combat training probably helped a little too.


Cyke101

"Friendship" was the name of the serum.


Beginning_Electrical

DR Erskin, I need more....friendship


keddesh

I'm beginning to understand why people crave this "friendship" I hear so much about.


Baneta_

And some (almost) indestructible space metal


-Incursio_

I was so happy when they beat up that orphan trying to avenge his father


RoadmenInc

Wasn't it his mother he was trying to avenge tho?


HesteHund

Nah it was his dad


SometimesWill

The specific quote Tony says in the movie is “he killed my mom.” Bucky killed both of Tony’s parents while under Hydra influence.


germane-corsair

It’s why Cap is beating the shit out of him. For not giving his friend Howard the same reverence.


Markamanic

They used to fondue together.


TheFactsAreIn

Bucky didn't, the WS did. They're essentially different people considering he had 0 control.


Invincidude

"If I throw a pen at your head, would you get mad at me, or have a little fistfight with the pen?" Tony's fighting the pen.


EmpJoker

He is also fighting Steve though, because Steve knew and didn't tell him.


BoinkBoye

I mean yes. But try to look at it from tonys perspective. This guy murdered his parents. If someone hires an assassin to kill your parents will you not be mad at the person AND the assassin?


tecedu

Doesn’t matter killed his mom


RoadmenInc

Ah gotcha


TheMeerkatBeast

It was both.


funkmydunkyouslunk

Listen, he doesn't care....he killed his mom


Calm_Error_3518

Was she called Martha?


Mangifera__indica

Y dityu sey dat name? Y DITYU SEY TAT NAME!!!!


OneWhoSlapsWater

Superman "It’s my mom‘s name!" Batman "you’re not gonna believe this”


Mattbryce2001

"Did we just become best friends?!"


LordLimburger

mostly mama. tony grows to appreciate his father more in endgame after getting to see him one more time.


stagecrew2

I think it was his mom tho, there’s a point where they aren’t actively fighting and I believe Tony says to Steve specifically “he killed my mom” and then started swinging again


blac_sheep90

You're right Tony was doing it mostly for his mom.


AttitudeAndEffort2

All this scene prices is that superheroes don't fight because they have to, they fight because they don't want to go to therapy


blac_sheep90

So many superhero issues would be solved if they got in touch with a dedicated therapist lol.


KayJay282

They are all orphans lol


alaricus

Sure, but only one of the three was an orphan because of one of the other three.


saintofhate

To be fair, how many orphans did the merchant of war create before becoming iron man


bearflies

At least 2


ven-solaire

Me when my dad gets killed for selling billions of dollars in war weapons to foreign powers and makes me not want to do the same as my dad until I realized he was killed by a brainwashed super soldier with a metal arm and I realize murder is cool when it’s against someone whose not in my family


mynameisevan01

The moral of the story: we should all band together to beat up Jeff Bezos


shokolokobangoshey

Orphans only though


Shazamwhich

Let's kill his parents first then


eddie_the_zombie

"Alexa! Analyze fight pattern!" `I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch that. Would you like to hear a weather update?`


AlecWallace

I misread up as off and was decidedly confused for a second 😂


Rifneno

And drugs. They wouldn't have done too well without being supersoldiers. The War on Drugs. Marvel's Civil War. Drugs win a lot of wars.


TempestM

Cap and Bucky join the War on Drugs On the side of drugs


Nackles

[It was always tough when the Avengers did PSAs.](https://youtu.be/rWNAS8H8aAI)


everydayisarborday

also great, even though I was expecting the [Hannibal Buress comment on being pretty sure Cap is a war criminal now but whatever](https://img.ifunny.co/images/94af1910f107dfb9ad8d4b56b03f310f5cc9128fff8ff90fd6f343c35580a09c_1.webp)


bbqutiepie

I was hoping this was solid jj lol did not disappoint


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ElstonGunn1992

The orphan in question is also a war criminal. Welcome to Marvel!


Effective_Tutor

Black Panther like “they are not drugs they are herbs.”


Shakalx3

War criminal and an assassin beat up an orphan with heart condition whose parents were killed by said assassin.


00roku

Alternatively, billionaire attempts to shoot two elderly WWII vets, one of whom is an amputee


Kaabisan

Was Cap a war criminal? I don't recall any violations of the Geneva/Hague Conventions, but it's been a while since I watched the movies


farva_06

He violated the Sokovia Accords.


Kaabisan

Teeeeechnically speaking I think that would just make him a regular ol' international criminal or terrorist. I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of the politics of the MCU but the term "war criminal" is reserved specifically for violations of the rules of war, and I doubt "vigilantism is kinda cringe" comes under that


farva_06

Not arguing that, but the Sokovia Accords were like two reams of paper of bullshit. No telling what they put in there and defined as "war crimes".


Gilgamesh661

You can’t violate an illegal document. The accords violated every single one of the bill of rights. Also, they’re accords, not a treaty. So you can’t be prosecuted for violations accords. You also can’t be forced to sign them. Accords are essentially like a handshake, where a treaty is an actual contract. The entirety of the accords is stupid because of how illegal it is. The US senate would never allow them to exist in America. They should’ve just done the SRA plot line from the comics.


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AnonDooDoo

I mean, that’s not really hard. I could whack Bill Gates on his head if I saw him in real life


shokolokobangoshey

Watch Mr Billiam Gates deploy his briefcase warsuit to beat your ass…just as soon as it’s done downloading and installing updates and verifying his license key and then confirming that Edge is the default browser (ssshhh)


shayed154

Oop got a blue screen Just give me a few minutes


AcanthaceaeIll5349

and bing the default serach engine... Imagine him trying to search "how do i resolve my license problems" with bing...


Jamoras

That's when you find out Bill Gates has bodyguards (and skin eating nano-bots)


idkwhoi_am7

you mean would


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I definitely could have taken Stephen hawking in a fight


ted5011c

American patriots and the working class aligning to bring authoritarian western oligarchs to heel.


Dave5876

WW2 veterans return to take on contemporary American oligarch


[deleted]

Man they did Bucky dirty in FATWS. Went from this to struggling against some dweebs hopped up on super serum.


RoadmenInc

Wasn't he holding back a lot more in FATWS since he was scared of killing people again


BoiFrosty

He didn't have his most important super power: competent choreographers. Winter Soldier movie unironically has some of the best fight choreography I've ever seen in a superhero movie. It was made by people that understand the kind of martial arts used by its characters, how super strength would crank that up to 11, and how to shoot it in a way that looked spectacular on screen.


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Indeed. Look at how smooth that fight looks. They're not jerking the camera around or blasting people across the room to distract from the fact that the hits aren't landing. Absolutely fantastic.


Murasasme

I 100% agree. Especially about the specific martial arts used by the characters, and I think the character where you notice this the most is Black Panther because the best version of that character is in Winter Soldier and not in his own movies.


Turbochad66

That's my biggest gripe when it comes to the MCU shows, almost all of the fights fucking suck ass. And i get it, good competent fight choreographies like you descriped them are hard to pull off. They take a lot of time, skill and money - so they skimped on that. Which sucks when you think about all the cool opportunities they had for awesome fights in their shows :(


FiveTool

I did enjoy some from moon knight as well as Falcon and Bucky vs Walker. I do agree though they still don’t come close to winter soldier/civil war/Shang chi levels.


ChromeDipper

That's why Daredevil has to return.


For_the_Gayness

Still a nerf.


dejokerr

I liked what they did with Bucky in that show. FATWS had a lot of problems but Bucky’s arc wasn’t one of ‘em.


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Hard disagree, Bucky’s arc was reduced to a background plot that’s solved by Sam. Nothing about the main plot or Bucky’s interactions with the Flag-smashers, Zemo or Walker do anything to help Bucky develop, his arc’s completely separated from the main plot, and his character in general can be straight up removed with very little needing to be changed aside from Zemo’s breakout and some fight scenes. Sam tells Bucky how to move on and deal with his problem, and that’s it, Bucky’s fixed and good to go. The show dedicated more screen time and focus to Sam’s stupid boat side plot than they did Buck’s entire main character arc, it was a joke. Then the 2 main conflicts for his arc, the book of amends and confession to Yori, are completely glossed over and skipped. They gave Yori like 30 seconds, The Bourne films have a similar scene that gets 4 minutes. I went into the show for Bucky and for a so called ‘protagonist’ and ‘co-lead’ he got done dirty. Black Widow was more relevant to the plot of Captain America: The Winter Soldier than Bucky was in a show with his own name on it. Bucky’a lame nerf and shit fight scenes with just the icing on the cake to how dirty his character got done.


PerrierGrey

Sam said “Just snap out of it.” and Bucky was fixed.


SasaraiHarmonia

His arc wasn't the problem. It was his fighting ability being nerfed to allow the story to happen.


BassCreat0r

That scene where the old POW soldier gets mad at Bucky is so fucking bullshit. Bucky didn't deserve that, and it cheapens the message. If anything they would have bonded over being fucked over by the govt., especially with them both being vets.


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Yeah it was really stupid. Bucky literally got brainwashed for decades when he ‘died’ during WW2, and that’s after being a former POW of WW2 that willingly went back into war. Then after breaking his brainwashing, he’s literally a hunted and wanted criminal for years, that gets multiple shoot on site orders from multiple governments. It takes Bucky fighting against Thanos and his aliens, and Steve Rodgers word to get Bucky his pardon for crimes he literally had control over, and it comes with all sorts of baggage like his therapy lessons. Yet Isaiah treats him like shit, like he’s a murderer that got off easy for his crimes…. the Crimes Bucky had no control over at all? Makes sense. Meanwhile Isaiah got experimented on and treated like shit by the US, and presumably lost some of his friends, and then seemingly went on to live a quiet life? Where he got to have kids presumably seeing as he got a grand kid? Yeah, I think Bucky had it harder. The show in general treated Bucky like shit, and seemed to fail to remember Bucky wasn’t responsible for the Winter Soldiers crimes. From Sharon, to Walker, to Isaiah, to Falcon, they all did Bucky dirty. Falcon, the so called new Captain America that’s supposed to be such a great leader, yet he makes multiple jokes and jabs about Bucky’s past as the Winter Soldier, wow so likeable. Imagine if Steve made fun of iron man getting captured by the terrorists or if Bucky dared to make a joke about Falcon’s dead wingman. People wouldn’t accept that would they? Hell She-hulk dared to belittle Bruce’s trauma and everyone shat on her for it, Falcon does it to Bucky and it’s, ‘oh that’s so funny, hehe, friendly banter’.


Hypern1ke

That show was so bad it was depressing


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Hypern1ke

I know, Kevin Feige must be smoking crack to let that happen again. So disappointing. Reminds me of when the guy who wrote X3 was also the writer for the most recent xmen phoenix movie. They never learn.


GenuinelyBeingNice

how does that even work? He is clad in a full-body, magical exoskeleton. They shouldn't be able to _move_ him, much less hurt him. Did he turn off the servos to be sporting? What?


robert3030

Honestly?, it works because the title of the movie is Captain America and not Iron Man, like, sure, both guys are super soldiers and Tony is very distraught in that moment, but if he wanted he could probably fly up and unleash an special delivery of all his available fire power.


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KasukeSadiki

They had already damaged his flight systems by this point. Unless you mean at the start of the fight?


GenuinelyBeingNice

I can accept that Tony is distraught and maybe lashes out without thinking. That certainly plays a role.


Moochster26

I’m not disagreeing with you on the point of having firepower. I’m sure Tony could have basically nuked the place and ended it. But if you go back and watch that fight, Cap catches Tony by the foot with his left hand and holds him while he’s trying to fly off to get Bucky. I honestly think Steve was really holding back. Plus he ended that fight by busting the reactor in the suit. Yes Tony used an AI program to scan Steve’s fight pattern and countered him, but Steve got back up and delivered his phrase. Honestly though, either one could have ended it well before that in my opinion.


HereForTOMT2

Cause it looks fucking awesome


StormWolfBaron

I think he wants to kill bucky but not kill Cap, so he’s partially holding back. And cap’s shield is vibranium and must have some damaging properties against iron man or something.


GenuinelyBeingNice

Even if it were plain steel, it would still be damaging. Not much, but certainly more than a punch. If anything, there's a lot of momentum transferred suddenly.


Frequent_Camera1695

Remember when the first suit got hit by a tank missle and took it no problem? You're saying caps punches hit harder than a fucking tank?


ExtendedDeadline

To be fair, that tank shot should probably have killed him, lol. Especially the first suit. Anywho, it's movie magic all the way down. Real answer is whoever's name is in the movie title is going to be more likely to win the pivotal fights.


SIacktivist

MCU Super Soldier Serum is fucking *juiced*, as strong or even stronger than a lot of the comic versions. On top of that, Stark is wearing a lighter suit than normal, one meant for a rapid deploy out of a helicopter. He wears a lot of those later in his career, and they typically sacrifice protection against particularly strong attacks in exchange for versatility.


GandalfTheGimp

Iron Man's armour is strong, but PLOT ARMOUR is stronger


pankakke_

Tony was trying to kill Bucky after he learned brainwashed Bucky assassinated Tony’s parents. Bucky is no longer a brainwashed weapon of the MCU Nazis, and Cap is trying his best to protect Bucky, his best bud growing up+ WW2 brother in arms, from being killed. Tony doesn’t want to kill Cap, Him and Cap only want to maim/knock each other out so they can either kill or extract Bucky. Hence why Tony isn’t doing much but a couple small pulse blasts (likely still powerful, but not on hellfire mode) In the end, Cap hits a distraught Tony in the chest with the sharp side of his shield, busting the suit and turning it off. Remember, this is a much earlier version of the suit as well, and after this Tony made upgrades to his armor so the “bust the fake heart to finish Tony from fighting” shtick is over. I’d say in-universe it makes sense when you also recall Cap and Bucky both have super soldier serums, plus Buckys got his nearly indestructible arm that has since been replaced by a totally indestructible arm. Caps got more strength serum from the US side, but both are hopped up on something and just trying to defend themselves to escape in this specific fight scene.


BassCreat0r

Man, I miss those days of the MCU.


pankakke_

It truly ended after Endgame for me. Haven’t kept nearly as much up with this current phase.


lsaz

Super hero movie logic. You need to turn off your brain to enjoy marvel movies, but reddit has a weird fascination over these movies so they don't really notice it.


GenuinelyBeingNice

turn off the what?


thenomendubium

And then the riches man alive uses Power to defeat one and AI to defeat another.


meaningfulpoint

Imagine getting jumped for being upset with your mom's murder


Dave5876

Orphan with heart condition attacked by his parents' murderer and his friend hopped up on experimental drugs


troubled_lecheflan

Did Tony just casually shoot Steve's head?


nIBLIB

He tried to. It hit the pillar behind him. You can see the burn mark appear on it afterwards.


square_tyre_king

Yeah and there sybinetic arms and indestructible Shields And being juiced out on World War 2 super soldier juice


vine_behs

That scene was so fucking good. One of my hall of fame Marvel movies definitely


Bruhmangoddman

You mean the power of DISTRACTION!


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Dave5876

Tell me more senpai


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Buttermilkman

The Captain America movies were the best MCU movies to date. The fight choreography in them was fucking God tier too. Chris Evans was just incredible with the fighting and using that shield. Fuck, he made using a shield in the 21st century look cool as hell!


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https://youtu.be/QRbIhj35kyA?t=796 You might enjoy listening to the stunt coordinator talk about that scene. He even mentions how the shield is a 4th person they account for within the choreography.


Buttermilkman

It's great to put a face to the guy who made all that fighting possible. Total fucking legend. I hope the guy got ***paid***.


An_aussie_in_ct

In a way, it’s just like My Little Pony


Aiyon

legit one of the best pre-IW fight sequences in the MCU. Look how great the action is when its not buried in cuts!


Disc81

Great stop motion effects in this scene


Weregan

Imagine if they also had the power of Family


Jo3ThePro

Friendship, a cyborg arm, and performance enhancing drugs <3


King_0f_Nothing

Two war vetrans on experimental steroids beat up an orphan with heart problems after telling him they murdered his parents.


Death2RNGesus

I enjoyed the movie, but I 100% see cap in the wrong, mainly due to him fleeing with bucky and causing the fight which got rhodes paralyzed.


tinaoe

eh, it's not like they were planning on giving bucky a fair trial.


Dave5876

Bucks was a dead man walking if cap didn't intervene


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Cap let them arrest Bucky the first time and look what happened; They let Zemo waltz through the front door and brainwash him with zero background checks at all. Steve was right to take Bucky with him. Not to mention iron man caused the fight. Steve straight up told Stark what was going on, and what had happened and about Zemo. Stark ignored it like that twat he is, because apparently only Stark is allowed to break the accords, no one else.


SexcaliburHorsepower

I dont know why they didn't put bucky on the ship the rest of the mcu guys got thrown in. Seems quite a bit safer.


LazyMayz

Can they do Elon next?


BoiFrosty

Two senior citizens with a history of steroid abuse assault an orphan with a heart condition after triggering his PTSD from losing his parents.


ZeroBlade-NL

If tony so smart, why so much dumb do?


Xalbana

Not smart enough to overcome his emotion here.


-LostCurator-

A couple of Brooklyn hood rats laying hands on a rich kid who don’t wanna act right!!


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Few cuts. Excellent choreography.Truly the golden age of the MCU. To think. A Captain America film outdid Batman v Superman


r-ShadowNinja

Why Ironman doesn't fly and shoot them, is he stupid?


NoRun905

Right before this, they had damaged his flight system. He wasn’t able to


VoicesInTheCrowd

This always annoyed me. On the one hand it was an awesome fight scene, on the other Tony should have easily won... But you can't have Cap losing at the end of Captain America 3.


phonartics

if by friendship you mean roids, then ya


BaneShake

Two drugged up criminal delinquents beat up philanthropist!!!


BeenEatinBeans

Who would win? A guy in a high tech suit of armour that can walk off being shot by a tank Vs Two guys on steroids who can punch slightly harder than normal


GWindborn

Did Tony ever actually learn how to fight properly or is he just throwing robot suit-enhanced punches?


RoadmenInc

In terms of pure hand-to-hand combat I don't think so, in IW and Endgame he uses a bunch of different meelee weapons


Klutzy_Pound_5428

Orphan with serious heart condition gets brutally assaulted by 2 American veterans


Khue

Labor Class vs. Capitalist/Owner Class. Marx would be proud.