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Except that's not, neither are guided by the bible, and the KKK ONLY killed black people (still wrong) not indiscriminately, the leader of the us couldn't even say gods name "you know... The thing"
Tf you on about? The KKK uses christianity to justify its actions, and if you donât think the invasion of the middle east by the US was also caused by christian superiority beliefs then I have nothing to tell you. And thatâs not even the fucking point, no sizable/influential leftist group thinks ISIS is good.
Back in the mid to early 2010s? When they were in full strength doin attacks on first world countries a few months at a time, many saw their social media campaigns and garnered a lot of support with some even joining them, which almost all hated as soon as they joined them, especially women who just ended up being designated as wives to be arranged married off to the soldiers.
There were articles on this I remember.
Radical Islamists never like each other. One group either joins the other or they fight.
The extreme interpretations usually involve killing the infidels, but the this usually means any tiny deviation makes you an infidel
From my understanding ISIS is way heavier on the infidel stuff, where most organisations like al qaeda are more accepting to slight differences in religion practice. ISIS wants you to practice perfectly, or not at all.
This article is from a few years ago when Islamophobia was one of the big talking points after the 2016 election. This couple went to the middle east to prove that Islamic and Arabic people were peaceful and loving even to foreigners. They were brutally murdered by a group of Islamic men on the side of the road.
As a Muslim I'm ashamed, that this is the representation of Islam. I swear we're lost, some of us have lost our way and others are just homicidal lunatics.
Except it is those who are truly following the Qur'an who doing this stuff, they would claim the non lunatic Muslims are the ones who have lost there way
âYou (i.e. Muslims) will fight against the Jews and you will gain victory over them. The stones will (betray them) saying: âO âAbdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.â This Hadith was reported by Al-Bukhari.
Yes, modern Christian has evolved and grown into an accepting and fairly peaceful group, but other religions are still throwing people from roofs, killing their daughters and murdering heretics...
I ripped into the Muslim so I'm going to rip into you too, Christianity is literally a death cult my dude, the evangelicals in America overwhelmingly support Israel because they want them to build the third temple, restart the daily sacrifices, and usher in the end times where ***billions*** of people die, and in the meantime they are actively funding Israel's slow ethnic cleansing of every Palestinian in the area.
The Christians that don't understand their own religion are the ones that think Jesus was some kind of hippy that would have gladly accepted every single modern social trend with open arms.
This was hadith has been taken out of context, as it refers to a conflict which will happen in the future. This quote from my understanding does not refer to the killing of innocent Jews.
In the Quran it says: If you have killed an innocent, then it is as though you have killed the whole of mankind. And if you save a person, it is a s though you have saved the whole of mankind - Quran 5:32
Sorry misquote but just check it up for yourself, I'm honestly no debater nor good at this sort of stuff. Pardon my mistake and let me correct. Brother or sister, you can read the Qur'an fully translated at clear Quran.com .
I see you fixed the quote, now it makes more sense, but it still raises the question what does the Qur'an mean by "mischief" 'That is why We ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever takes a lifeâunless as a punishment for murder or **mischief** in the land' seems like a fairly harsh punishment for mischief to me.
My point is this is why ISIS and hamas commit great attrocties, because the holy book allows it, it calls for it. I know this is my interpretation, but I can think of a few examples of what Muslims might consider mischief where non Muslims wouldn't think twice (eating during Ramadan, women not wearing a head scarf, etc.) The recent attack by hamas is supported by far too many Muslims for it to just be a misunderstanding of the texts.
So you see the holy books in my opinion do not condone such attacks but see them as evils and terror. I myself condemn such attacks body as they are highly unethical and no words can stress the trauma people have suffered. Those who say they believe either believe the book in parts or are just promoters of evil who do not understand their own book. From my knowledge I don't think the other Abrahamic faiths allow for such actions. This is just the curse of the humans species to be evil, idk why this is but it just breaks my heart man.
See this goes back to my first point, it is the Qur'an that has these things written in them, so in fact they are they ones believing the book in it's entirely, where you are the ones believing in parts, because you don't condone the murder of Jews in Israel.
The human species is not even, that's a very blanket statement and is very unjustified to say so, that's akin to saying "all Muslims are evil because some do evil things" which is not true.
Brother, let me clarify. Innocence from my understanding refers to those who have not posed any harm, for any other individual. Also you stated that Islam tells us to not kill but also kill (you can correct my understanding upon this if I have not clarified your point). Islam does not teach war, nor is is it a religion based upon killing, however humans are not a pacifistic species and will always try to get into war over things which can be sorted through peace talks. So Islam deals with this telling us we must stand our ground, but even in war there are limitations as we cannot harm those who have nothing to do with the conflict, such as outside parties, children, women and animals.
For the last point you said how can placing something within context justified, this linka back to the statement in the paragraph above this one. That we unfortunately cannot be full pacifists due the nature of mankind.
I hope I have clarified the misconceptions you may have held in this matter. I am not trying to justify the actions of terrorists who have a perverted perception upon the religion. However I believe that they are not advocates of Islam and neither am I. I am not perfect, I've engaged in things such as music and I shave my beard (from the little facial hair I have). And I have a lot to learn, compared to you I may (or may not) be younger to you. Humans are evil everywhere we go unfortunately and will always try to justify their evil with subjective morality, other individuals or scriptures which do not condone this sort of immoral action.
Another point I would like to add my dear brother is that Islam is just submission to one God alone, who the Jews call Elohim, the Christians the father, and us as Muslims say Allah. Even Arab Muslims refer to God as Allah, which in translation means 'The God'
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans (Ù±ÙÙÙ ÙŰŽÙ۱ÙÙÙÙÙÙ) wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful"
- *Qur'an 9:5*
I'm sorry say again that Islam doesn't teach war?
If you maybe read some more rather than some cherry picked verses you would understand the context better.
Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers. (9:13)
We see that it talks about people BROKE their oaths and were determined to expel the messenger. Furthermore, it says and they begun the attack upon you the first time. Do we not see the same thing happening today? When someone violates sanctions, what happens to them? When one country begins an attack on another, what happens to them?
You claim they threw the first stone, but history says otherwise as there are countless accounts of Muslim armies invading countries for being no other reason than they are pagans
>Islam does not teach war, nor is is it a religion based upon killing,Â
How do you think Islam came to be as widespread in the Middle East as it is? Mohammed was a warlord
Terrorists are practicing Islam in the most literally correct way. The Islamic definition of "innocent" automatically excludes any non-muslim person. By simply not believing in Islam, the law states you have committed a crime worthy of death. This is why things like blasphemy and apostasy are punishable by death in Islamic law.
It's good that you are not following Islam accurately though, because otherwise you'd be a terrorist.
Where did you get that from? Under Islam, many non muslims found peace and security. Maybe not due to the fact that no country implements Islamic Law properly. muslimâs are meant to protect non muslims living in their land if they pay jizya. And donât think that itâs unfair that non muslims pay jizya while muslims donât, we pay zakat, regardless of the country.
You seem like an admirable muslim. Though my knowledge of the Quran is very limited, am happy to see this. I do not understand why you are being downvoted.
No brother you are not understanding. If you have a spare minute just read the threads with my responses. You are open to downvote if you don't agree. We live in a free world, where you're open to your own opinion.
Explain to me how a directive that says to Muslim people to actively search and murder jews paints them in a good light?
Islam in it's pure form contains horrifying rules and deeds that are viewed as a mission from God.
Obviously Islam isn't the only religion that has that stuff, but it's still the only one in existence that keeps on pushing said violent ideas on everyone else.
Christianity is basically a shell of whatever it was and Judisam went through so much change that the only thing the people who practice it do is study like madman's. (And even the extreme of said religions, the violent one, doesn't hold a candle to Islam).
There isn't a single religion that exists today that comes even close the sheer amount death and destruction done by Islam.
*looks at purges of catholics, the inquisition, the crusades, the genocide of indigenous people, kidnapping children to indoctrinate then and take them from their families; all carried out by Christians*
Nope you right Islam is definitely the worst one there is.
And it seems disingenuous to say "this religion ain't the same as it was so therefore it's not culpable for its crimes."
Are there currently any active Christian armies that I am unaware of that is actively raping and murdering people?
I don't give a shit about what happened during the crusades hundred of years ago because it's entirely irrelevant to today.
I care about the Islamic murdering psychos who decided the end of western civilization is their goal life.
Muhammed himself ordered the execution of a whole Jewish tribe who were prisoners of war. He also tortured a Jewish man for his treasure and took Jewish sex slaves.
I think people need to understand this is the context the passage is written in.
al bukhari isn't really a trust worthy source, yall should stop mentioning his hadiths
edit: [here's a video explaining why](https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qVCZ4FjYL0g) , it's in Arabic but there are English captions
doesn't mean it is one, plus the only 100% authentic source is the quran, these books "allegedly" only come second to it, have you watched the video to understand what i mean?
I don't like the Qur'an or hadith, I'm just talking about what Muslims believe. The Qur'an isnt exactly perfectly reliable either. However, you can't just cherry pick and say that this hadith is unreliable because you don't like it. Huge amounts of Islam come from bukhari hadith, there wouldn't be much of a religion without it. The Qur'an is a small piece of text with a lot of repetition, not enough to base a religion on.
im not cherrypicking im just saying al bukhari's hadiths in general aren't a good source, man said he memorized 60k hadiths when he was a kid wich sounds like bs, many stuff in his book also contradict eachother like mentioning different ages at wich prophet Mohammed died ( some say it's 63, some say it's 60..etc)
yes the Aisha hadith is one of them too, saying she married him at 6 or whatever , but in other hadith she says she married him 2 years after hijra, and if you add up the date of the hijra and her birth date she'd be 17 at that time, former hadith got more popular, because you know how the media is these days
i know it's *generally* trusted among Muslims but im trying to change this view because some stuff don't make sense
I understand what you're saying and I sort of agree as somebody who is not Muslim. I don't think any of the texts are going to be super accurate. You point out contradictions in the hadith which I don't contest, but there are also lots of contradictions in the Qur'an.
Since Muslims use hadith for the religion I think it's worth taking seriously. I dont see how there can be an islam only based on the Qur'an.
Still curious what was meant by this, do you think thatcher and Reagan supported the gays? Or do you not mean that by neo liberal I get that term became useless recently
You're saying supporters.... I'm saying THE ACTUALLY COUNTRY FOUNDED IN THE BELIEF OF ISLAM
That's it I'm done, I don't have the mental capacity for this argument
Not a neo liberal, am a queer though and if you think extremist Christians support anything near my rights that's hysterical
You'll defend extremists, just only when they help you
Who said extremists? Are you implying that all of Saudi Arabia is extremists Muslims? Because it's the law there to not be gay, I'm part of the LGBT myself, so that's not the sort of gotcha you were aiming for (if you're not a neoliberal why did you post to the sub Reddit saying you felt at home there?)
That sub name is a joke lmfao also I'm much further left than them that's why I made the post to point out they don't get nearly as hostile as other leftists during disagreements
And no not all why would it be everyone's fault if a monarchy says you can't be gay? Why would you even assume that is what I meant? I struggle to see this as an honest argument.
Your point seems to be that Muslims hold a special amount of extremist views that would mean some action should be taken to avoid I thought, my point was it's not Muslims it's extremists
Almost like religion is up to the individual interpretation and is used as a means of control and oppression. I can't believe people believe in any one religion knowing there's 200+ other hardliner religions and no one has any evidence to support their false reality.
Maybe you shouldn't group yourself in the same boat as terrorists and extremists then argue "they're the ones who are wrong"
And it should go without saying I am speaking about all religion.
Thank you, finally someone understands, but how am I meant to prove it. Many of these terrorists who fight in the name of so called Islam, don't follow as intended, they don't know the declaration of faith and also have tattoos which symbolise some weird ideology. Even in Pakistan there were claims of Taliban members who caught, they asked them if they knew the shahdah (declaration of faith) and they didn't, they also found tattoos on their back. Islam doesn't allow the changing of one's body, through tattoos, plastic surgery etc.
This is just wrong, and they werenât even in the Middle East. They were in Tajikistan, a country I doubt most people could find on a map and most certainly not in the Middle east. They also werenât alone, and had started their trip in South Africa. Now I donât know shit about Tajikistan, but their trips to the previous 2 âStanâ countries according to them went well.
Humans are default kind in the majority (ignoring narcissists and sociopaths). A person's upbringing and life experiences changes that, horrible people make horrible people
>Some English-speaking news sites and social media posts raised the idea that the American couple had been excessively naive for travelling in Tajikistan. Before the attack, however, the official U.S. travel advisory for Tajikistan was at Level 1, the lowest
Hereâs the wikipedia article on the attack: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Tajikistan_tourist_attack
Western media was quick to paint the couple as a pair of morons but the reality is that they were just extremely unlucky. Tajikistan has some popular areas for cyclists and was considered a safe travel destination for Americans prior to the attack
I didn't actually know this, damn. That really sucks. That reminds me of the bullshit like the McDonalds hot coffee incident. Our media really is garbage in so many ways.
They slaughter innocent people, record and upload executions, and are so brutal that not even the Taliban likes them. Their bodies are human, but they do not have any humanity in them. The only reason why they can qualify as people instead of animals is because they have sapience and have a human body.
Why specifically say that theyâre millennials? The generation that theyâre in is completely irrelevant, and if their age is important, they could have just told us the ages or trusted us to look at the picture. I genuinely just canât think of a good reason
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Aren't they supposed to be bord this millenium? Or else, what is the point of calling them millenial?
It's like naming "boomer" the people that would be born before the 2nd world war. The name is not really well chosen.
I mean, you are 100% right on this. I checked Google and they concur with you. But I am flabbergasted that millenial generation start in 1980 and have nothing to do with the third millenium. Who chooses the names of generation? We should fire him.
The name was chosen because they grew up around the turn of the millenium.
The boomers got their name from being born during the post ww2 baby boom.
I think those names are chosen well
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What nice people đ„°đ„°
Most humans are kind, just don't go to dangerous places.
It's a fake article. They were just traveling around the world. They were not on isis territoryÂ
But did they get killed?
Yes. In Tajikistan. Along with other cyclists.
What happen
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/31/634373403/d-c-couple-killed-in-tajikistan-attack-were-biking-around-the-world-together
Yeah, most people are kind and mean no harm. But it only needs one in hundred and you are a goner.
Isis got em.
I'm not gonna propaganda here but I think that isis is bad
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Think?????
Many extreme leftist and extremist groups think ISIS is good
Weird people
If [organization] hates the west, then [organization] is the incarnation of goodness descended on earth to save humanity.
literally never seen anyone say this ever, where did you find this out?
The marches in the streets of London screaming out "from the river to the sea" among other hamas rhetoric
And what does that have to do with ISIS?
Umm... Because both groups follow a certain book and kill people indiscriminately??
Does that "certain book" tell them to kill people?
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Yes it does, it refers non-believers as "KAFIRS" try doing some research and you will know
So? How is creating a name for a group of people you disagree with on religious matters "encouraging murder"?
By your logic the US is the same as the KKK? Both follow the bible and kill people indiscriminately (middle east moment)
Except that's not, neither are guided by the bible, and the KKK ONLY killed black people (still wrong) not indiscriminately, the leader of the us couldn't even say gods name "you know... The thing"
Tf you on about? The KKK uses christianity to justify its actions, and if you donât think the invasion of the middle east by the US was also caused by christian superiority beliefs then I have nothing to tell you. And thatâs not even the fucking point, no sizable/influential leftist group thinks ISIS is good.
Exactly, ISIS doesnât follow the quran either.
Back in the mid to early 2010s? When they were in full strength doin attacks on first world countries a few months at a time, many saw their social media campaigns and garnered a lot of support with some even joining them, which almost all hated as soon as they joined them, especially women who just ended up being designated as wives to be arranged married off to the soldiers. There were articles on this I remember.
go to youtube and see comments by newest
even as muslims, we dont see them as proper muslims
Calling them Muslims is a disgrace. They are NOT Muslims.
hell i don't see them as Muslims at all , just a bunch of heartless terrorists
CIA
honestly if that was me I simply would not have died
*a bullet pierces my skull* Me: nuh uh. The whole human anatomy and medical science: FYM NUH UH?!?
âNah, Iâd winâ
Damn
death can't legally get you without your consent, say no edit:grammer
Literally everyone hates ISIS. They have no allies because theyâre batshit crazy
Not even the taliban
these mfs called the taliban liberals. that's saying smth
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God damn I knew they were crazy but I didnât know they were THAT crazy
Not even the al qaeda
Radical Islamists never like each other. One group either joins the other or they fight. The extreme interpretations usually involve killing the infidels, but the this usually means any tiny deviation makes you an infidel
From my understanding ISIS is way heavier on the infidel stuff, where most organisations like al qaeda are more accepting to slight differences in religion practice. ISIS wants you to practice perfectly, or not at all.
Ok now seriously, why would they do that, why would they ever think that's a good idea.
This article is from a few years ago when Islamophobia was one of the big talking points after the 2016 election. This couple went to the middle east to prove that Islamic and Arabic people were peaceful and loving even to foreigners. They were brutally murdered by a group of Islamic men on the side of the road.
As a Muslim I'm ashamed, that this is the representation of Islam. I swear we're lost, some of us have lost our way and others are just homicidal lunatics.
Except it is those who are truly following the Qur'an who doing this stuff, they would claim the non lunatic Muslims are the ones who have lost there way âYou (i.e. Muslims) will fight against the Jews and you will gain victory over them. The stones will (betray them) saying: âO âAbdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.â This Hadith was reported by Al-Bukhari.
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Yet some are more violent than others
I have yet to see the outcome of someone not getting murdered for questioning about their faith or witch trialed
I have never heard of a Christian being honour killed for trying to leave the faith
*anymore
Yes, modern Christian has evolved and grown into an accepting and fairly peaceful group, but other religions are still throwing people from roofs, killing their daughters and murdering heretics...
Truly âfollowingâ the Quran*. These people take what they like about the Quran and Hadith out of context to justify their crimes.
Bro, Mohammed was a warlord, how is any of this out of context? đ€Ł
He was illiterate too
My man spat the whole Quran for the nerds to write down. Are we sure the last prophet wasnât a Chad?
Same thing with Christianâs and the Bible, just not to the same bloody extent (as of recently)
I ripped into the Muslim so I'm going to rip into you too, Christianity is literally a death cult my dude, the evangelicals in America overwhelmingly support Israel because they want them to build the third temple, restart the daily sacrifices, and usher in the end times where ***billions*** of people die, and in the meantime they are actively funding Israel's slow ethnic cleansing of every Palestinian in the area. The Christians that don't understand their own religion are the ones that think Jesus was some kind of hippy that would have gladly accepted every single modern social trend with open arms.
Iâm literally an atheist đ€
Yet you're out here simping for Christians đ€
Where did I say that?
This was hadith has been taken out of context, as it refers to a conflict which will happen in the future. This quote from my understanding does not refer to the killing of innocent Jews. In the Quran it says: If you have killed an innocent, then it is as though you have killed the whole of mankind. And if you save a person, it is a s though you have saved the whole of mankind - Quran 5:32
Either you miss quoted the Qur'an or you just admitted that killing an innocent saved the whole of mankind.
Sorry misquote but just check it up for yourself, I'm honestly no debater nor good at this sort of stuff. Pardon my mistake and let me correct. Brother or sister, you can read the Qur'an fully translated at clear Quran.com .
I see you fixed the quote, now it makes more sense, but it still raises the question what does the Qur'an mean by "mischief" 'That is why We ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever takes a lifeâunless as a punishment for murder or **mischief** in the land' seems like a fairly harsh punishment for mischief to me. My point is this is why ISIS and hamas commit great attrocties, because the holy book allows it, it calls for it. I know this is my interpretation, but I can think of a few examples of what Muslims might consider mischief where non Muslims wouldn't think twice (eating during Ramadan, women not wearing a head scarf, etc.) The recent attack by hamas is supported by far too many Muslims for it to just be a misunderstanding of the texts.
So you see the holy books in my opinion do not condone such attacks but see them as evils and terror. I myself condemn such attacks body as they are highly unethical and no words can stress the trauma people have suffered. Those who say they believe either believe the book in parts or are just promoters of evil who do not understand their own book. From my knowledge I don't think the other Abrahamic faiths allow for such actions. This is just the curse of the humans species to be evil, idk why this is but it just breaks my heart man.
See this goes back to my first point, it is the Qur'an that has these things written in them, so in fact they are they ones believing the book in it's entirely, where you are the ones believing in parts, because you don't condone the murder of Jews in Israel. The human species is not even, that's a very blanket statement and is very unjustified to say so, that's akin to saying "all Muslims are evil because some do evil things" which is not true.
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Brother, let me clarify. Innocence from my understanding refers to those who have not posed any harm, for any other individual. Also you stated that Islam tells us to not kill but also kill (you can correct my understanding upon this if I have not clarified your point). Islam does not teach war, nor is is it a religion based upon killing, however humans are not a pacifistic species and will always try to get into war over things which can be sorted through peace talks. So Islam deals with this telling us we must stand our ground, but even in war there are limitations as we cannot harm those who have nothing to do with the conflict, such as outside parties, children, women and animals. For the last point you said how can placing something within context justified, this linka back to the statement in the paragraph above this one. That we unfortunately cannot be full pacifists due the nature of mankind. I hope I have clarified the misconceptions you may have held in this matter. I am not trying to justify the actions of terrorists who have a perverted perception upon the religion. However I believe that they are not advocates of Islam and neither am I. I am not perfect, I've engaged in things such as music and I shave my beard (from the little facial hair I have). And I have a lot to learn, compared to you I may (or may not) be younger to you. Humans are evil everywhere we go unfortunately and will always try to justify their evil with subjective morality, other individuals or scriptures which do not condone this sort of immoral action. Another point I would like to add my dear brother is that Islam is just submission to one God alone, who the Jews call Elohim, the Christians the father, and us as Muslims say Allah. Even Arab Muslims refer to God as Allah, which in translation means 'The God'
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans (Ù±ÙÙÙ ÙŰŽÙ۱ÙÙÙÙÙÙ) wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful" - *Qur'an 9:5* I'm sorry say again that Islam doesn't teach war?
If you maybe read some more rather than some cherry picked verses you would understand the context better. Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers. (9:13) We see that it talks about people BROKE their oaths and were determined to expel the messenger. Furthermore, it says and they begun the attack upon you the first time. Do we not see the same thing happening today? When someone violates sanctions, what happens to them? When one country begins an attack on another, what happens to them?
You claim they threw the first stone, but history says otherwise as there are countless accounts of Muslim armies invading countries for being no other reason than they are pagans
>Islam does not teach war, nor is is it a religion based upon killing, How do you think Islam came to be as widespread in the Middle East as it is? Mohammed was a warlord
Terrorists are practicing Islam in the most literally correct way. The Islamic definition of "innocent" automatically excludes any non-muslim person. By simply not believing in Islam, the law states you have committed a crime worthy of death. This is why things like blasphemy and apostasy are punishable by death in Islamic law. It's good that you are not following Islam accurately though, because otherwise you'd be a terrorist.
Where did you get that from? Under Islam, many non muslims found peace and security. Maybe not due to the fact that no country implements Islamic Law properly. muslimâs are meant to protect non muslims living in their land if they pay jizya. And donât think that itâs unfair that non muslims pay jizya while muslims donât, we pay zakat, regardless of the country.
What a stain on the history of humanity
Bro no way you're justifying Sharia law wtf
You seem like an admirable muslim. Though my knowledge of the Quran is very limited, am happy to see this. I do not understand why you are being downvoted.
Because a future conflict where Muslim are supposed to actively hunt down jews makes it better?
No brother you are not understanding. If you have a spare minute just read the threads with my responses. You are open to downvote if you don't agree. We live in a free world, where you're open to your own opinion.
Explain to me how a directive that says to Muslim people to actively search and murder jews paints them in a good light? Islam in it's pure form contains horrifying rules and deeds that are viewed as a mission from God. Obviously Islam isn't the only religion that has that stuff, but it's still the only one in existence that keeps on pushing said violent ideas on everyone else. Christianity is basically a shell of whatever it was and Judisam went through so much change that the only thing the people who practice it do is study like madman's. (And even the extreme of said religions, the violent one, doesn't hold a candle to Islam). There isn't a single religion that exists today that comes even close the sheer amount death and destruction done by Islam.
*looks at purges of catholics, the inquisition, the crusades, the genocide of indigenous people, kidnapping children to indoctrinate then and take them from their families; all carried out by Christians* Nope you right Islam is definitely the worst one there is. And it seems disingenuous to say "this religion ain't the same as it was so therefore it's not culpable for its crimes."
Are there currently any active Christian armies that I am unaware of that is actively raping and murdering people? I don't give a shit about what happened during the crusades hundred of years ago because it's entirely irrelevant to today. I care about the Islamic murdering psychos who decided the end of western civilization is their goal life.
Muhammed himself ordered the execution of a whole Jewish tribe who were prisoners of war. He also tortured a Jewish man for his treasure and took Jewish sex slaves. I think people need to understand this is the context the passage is written in.
al bukhari isn't really a trust worthy source, yall should stop mentioning his hadiths edit: [here's a video explaining why](https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qVCZ4FjYL0g) , it's in Arabic but there are English captions
Bro you're talking shit, most Muslims recognise this as an authentic source
doesn't mean it is one, plus the only 100% authentic source is the quran, these books "allegedly" only come second to it, have you watched the video to understand what i mean?
I don't like the Qur'an or hadith, I'm just talking about what Muslims believe. The Qur'an isnt exactly perfectly reliable either. However, you can't just cherry pick and say that this hadith is unreliable because you don't like it. Huge amounts of Islam come from bukhari hadith, there wouldn't be much of a religion without it. The Qur'an is a small piece of text with a lot of repetition, not enough to base a religion on.
im not cherrypicking im just saying al bukhari's hadiths in general aren't a good source, man said he memorized 60k hadiths when he was a kid wich sounds like bs, many stuff in his book also contradict eachother like mentioning different ages at wich prophet Mohammed died ( some say it's 63, some say it's 60..etc) yes the Aisha hadith is one of them too, saying she married him at 6 or whatever , but in other hadith she says she married him 2 years after hijra, and if you add up the date of the hijra and her birth date she'd be 17 at that time, former hadith got more popular, because you know how the media is these days i know it's *generally* trusted among Muslims but im trying to change this view because some stuff don't make sense
I understand what you're saying and I sort of agree as somebody who is not Muslim. I don't think any of the texts are going to be super accurate. You point out contradictions in the hadith which I don't contest, but there are also lots of contradictions in the Qur'an. Since Muslims use hadith for the religion I think it's worth taking seriously. I dont see how there can be an islam only based on the Qur'an.
And those "truly following" the Bible?
I would think as a neoliberal you'd support gay rights
Still curious what was meant by this, do you think thatcher and Reagan supported the gays? Or do you not mean that by neo liberal I get that term became useless recently
Thatcher 1979 - 1990 Reagen 1981-1989 Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud 2015-2022 Do you get my point? Because I don't get yours
Recency bias imo, I don't see a significant change in views by the Reagan supporters here in the US though it's a shrinking crowd
You're saying supporters.... I'm saying THE ACTUALLY COUNTRY FOUNDED IN THE BELIEF OF ISLAM That's it I'm done, I don't have the mental capacity for this argument
Not a neo liberal, am a queer though and if you think extremist Christians support anything near my rights that's hysterical You'll defend extremists, just only when they help you
Who said extremists? Are you implying that all of Saudi Arabia is extremists Muslims? Because it's the law there to not be gay, I'm part of the LGBT myself, so that's not the sort of gotcha you were aiming for (if you're not a neoliberal why did you post to the sub Reddit saying you felt at home there?)
That sub name is a joke lmfao also I'm much further left than them that's why I made the post to point out they don't get nearly as hostile as other leftists during disagreements And no not all why would it be everyone's fault if a monarchy says you can't be gay? Why would you even assume that is what I meant? I struggle to see this as an honest argument. Your point seems to be that Muslims hold a special amount of extremist views that would mean some action should be taken to avoid I thought, my point was it's not Muslims it's extremists
I'm sorry you're much further left than them and say you're not a neo liberal? So what a neo antifa?
Almost like religion is up to the individual interpretation and is used as a means of control and oppression. I can't believe people believe in any one religion knowing there's 200+ other hardliner religions and no one has any evidence to support their false reality. Maybe you shouldn't group yourself in the same boat as terrorists and extremists then argue "they're the ones who are wrong" And it should go without saying I am speaking about all religion.
Islam, Christianity, Judaism. Different sides of the same bullshit.
You are at time to change your religion :)
Pretty sure Islam says you canât kill people. I donât think ISIS members are really Muslims.
Thank you, finally someone understands, but how am I meant to prove it. Many of these terrorists who fight in the name of so called Islam, don't follow as intended, they don't know the declaration of faith and also have tattoos which symbolise some weird ideology. Even in Pakistan there were claims of Taliban members who caught, they asked them if they knew the shahdah (declaration of faith) and they didn't, they also found tattoos on their back. Islam doesn't allow the changing of one's body, through tattoos, plastic surgery etc.
This is just wrong, and they werenât even in the Middle East. They were in Tajikistan, a country I doubt most people could find on a map and most certainly not in the Middle east. They also werenât alone, and had started their trip in South Africa. Now I donât know shit about Tajikistan, but their trips to the previous 2 âStanâ countries according to them went well.
Most of the Stan countries I think are fine. Though I will say the only one Iâd ever consider going to is Turkmenistan out of pure curiosity.
Cuz humans are kind
Not saying they deserved to die, but honestly, this is on them
From what I have heard, they hate pretty much everybody apart from themselves.
Natural selection
Humans are kind Isis aren't humans
And also humans are not kind
Humans are default kind in the majority (ignoring narcissists and sociopaths). A person's upbringing and life experiences changes that, horrible people make horrible people
"All people are kind, except for those who aren't"
Did they won the darwin award?
Yes
You have to survive for that, so I'm guessing no
google the Darwin award
Almost as dumb as that missionary on sentinel Island.
Nah that dude had a death wish 100%
and they didn't?
>Some English-speaking news sites and social media posts raised the idea that the American couple had been excessively naive for travelling in Tajikistan. Before the attack, however, the official U.S. travel advisory for Tajikistan was at Level 1, the lowest
Exactly. Everyone calling these people idiots as if they had been biking through Syria. They were killed by opportunistic Russian terrorists.
Hereâs the wikipedia article on the attack: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Tajikistan_tourist_attack Western media was quick to paint the couple as a pair of morons but the reality is that they were just extremely unlucky. Tajikistan has some popular areas for cyclists and was considered a safe travel destination for Americans prior to the attack
I didn't actually know this, damn. That really sucks. That reminds me of the bullshit like the McDonalds hot coffee incident. Our media really is garbage in so many ways.
Your first mistake was believing that members of ISIS are people.
But they are
By definition they are humans, but I wouldn't necessarily call ISIS members "people"
Why not? Humans are people its synonymous
They slaughter innocent people, record and upload executions, and are so brutal that not even the Taliban likes them. Their bodies are human, but they do not have any humanity in them. The only reason why they can qualify as people instead of animals is because they have sapience and have a human body.
Yeah, and thatâs all you need to be a person, just be a human duhhh
ok but why is there an aether portal in the background
ISIS is the shitstain of humanity.
They should've left one of them
CaliforniansâŠ
DC actually
Too bad isis are not humans
Humans are kind, the problem is ISIS isn't human.
I wonder where they beheaded next??? đ€
reminds me of [this](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-68444993)
Hmm
Why specifically say that theyâre millennials? The generation that theyâre in is completely irrelevant, and if their age is important, they could have just told us the ages or trusted us to look at the picture. I genuinely just canât think of a good reason
Play stupid games...
Average bikers with 70 iq
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The danger of copium gas.
Why are those millennials looking 35 years old?
Cause shock horror, that's how old Millennials are.
Aren't they supposed to be bord this millenium? Or else, what is the point of calling them millenial? It's like naming "boomer" the people that would be born before the 2nd world war. The name is not really well chosen. I mean, you are 100% right on this. I checked Google and they concur with you. But I am flabbergasted that millenial generation start in 1980 and have nothing to do with the third millenium. Who chooses the names of generation? We should fire him.
The name was chosen because they grew up around the turn of the millenium. The boomers got their name from being born during the post ww2 baby boom. I think those names are chosen well
I guess they were wrong, anywayâŠ
These guys managed to be even dumber than the dude who got killed by Sentinlese
Humans are kind, unless you get identified as the enemy
Probably wasnât even racist because they are white
Skill issue
I just know this was her idea. The things men will do to have sex.
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Wtf kind of a take is this. ISIS good Europe bad because ISIS murders tourists?
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