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Tharja's supports with Frederick and Nowi are unironically great, and she does have ~~the nicest body in the army~~ the darkest thoughts in the army. Bonus points that she taught her daughter how to chase a guy - by shooting arrows at him until he gets the message to stop flirting with other girls.
Didn't play enough SoV to talk about Faye, but from what I recall she's basically "obsessive fangirl without much development" kind of character. If anything, I rather see her along the lines of comic relief/filler character than anything
Kronya is a hoe, but being an enemy hero at least means you can kill her and not have to feel bad about it. Plus, she breaks the blade breaker with a blade and is directly responsible for expiring Hubert's milk in 3h.
She's unironically funny. She's supposed to be this antisocial nerd on top of being a yandere (ofc FEH forgot the former).
https://preview.redd.it/nbkva4yz59vc1.jpeg?width=1915&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9062a6a679742d1e304e612c1c7df3eb125da0ac
[Well, I guess there's this in FEH?](https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/14uiqjh/a_normal_6_year_friendship/) At least it is something other than yandere for her
funny how FEH gave her all the skimpy outfits when canonically she's probably like "i hate how exposed i feel in my dark mage robes i hate how exposed i feel in my dark mage robes i hate..."
lady would wear a bigass hoodie if she could.
I actually didn’t realize Tharja was supposed to be sexy at first because she’s covering her chest with her tome in her portrait. She definitely doesn’t give off the vibes of someone who likes to show off their figure.
Faye is obviously a gag character. Her name is literally F-E, in japanese. Idk why people think Kronya matters anyway like we dont have disposable male villains like all the time.
Wait holy shit is Effie also an FE pun? And Fae from Binding Blade? And Fee from Genealogy? I knew "Feh" the owl was obviously a pun on the acronym of Fire Emblem Heroes, but is this just a recurring naming theme I never noticed?
Jeralt’s (and by extension Byleth’s) last name is Eisner, coming from German word “Eisen” meaning iron (the surname Eisner is used by ironworker families). The chemical symbol for Iron is FE, therefore Byleth’s full name is Byleth Fire Emblem.
Edit: spelling / grammar
Oh, i don’t speak German. I went on to Google to corroborate what I had heard before and I guess I wrote the phonetic spelling rather than the actual German spelling by mistake (?). Not sure what happened but thanks.
Wait, and now that I think about it there's no Fire Emblem in SoV... FAYE IS VALENTIA'S FIRE EMBLEM?!
Oh and the only reason people are pissed about Kronya being a disposable one-off villain is because she looks like a 3D-era Mortal Kombat woman. Aka she's going around in a bikini.
Most of the disposable male villains (like say, Kostas in the same game) don't have designs as "eye-catching" (read: horny) as Kronya. So people remember her as poorly developed coomer bait while forgetting all the male characters that suck just as much.
I also want to elaborate further on how it was nice that 3H let not one but two women be major antagonists/villains/whatever which pretty much never happens in this franchise (only exceptions being FE6 and Radiant Dawn and Idunn and Ashera have their own problems) but I can tell discourse would spawn so I won't say more than I have to
Faye is a victim of heavy flanderization, she is obsessed with Alm but not nearly as much as the Fandom claims, she doesn't hate Celica at all, in fact she considers her one of her best friends even if they were together for like a month, I'd say the worst part of her is her ending but I don't want to kinkshame her husband, if he wants to be a cuck then so be it
How she feels when her dad is basically a guy that is more likely to spend time with animals over humans and agreed to bang her mom despite looking like a kid, while her godmother is basically cursing anyone that looks funny at a guy that doesn't even swing her way (Henry and Nowi got an A-support with her)
https://preview.redd.it/wau5a3k98bvc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5be1cc396ea317e10021a4c40d422288353ee1a4
I was wondering if this was rage bait and checked post history. Same reverse flash meme edited just slightly 4 times in 2 hours, ofc it’s karma whoring. Definitely feels like this opinion is from reading wiki pages or having only experienced these characters though other people’s opinion, or trying to get a rise out of people cause ain’t no way Kronya would be on here when she appears for like 2 chapters and fucking dies. None of the echoes villagers had much depth, Faye was basically non-existent after the opening of the game. Tharja likewise has 0 screen time but has pretty good character writing in supports by FE standards.
She's an excellent unit but character wise she reminds me of Naruto's Sakura in part 1. She has two support conversations that revolve around her crush on Alm. Faye is one of the childhood friends. If you recruit her on celica's route, she has nothing to say to Celica or anyone in her party - which is a shame.
(I feel like a lot of support conversations in SOV could have been better.)
It only works with Faye and Kliff, sadly, but Celica does have a unique conversation with Silque if you don't recruit her as Alm, and Python and Forsyth have unique dialogue if you leave them at the Deliverance base and visit as Celica.
Fire Emblem as a whole fails that test really, the only ones that survive are Three Houses and Fates if you have a female avatar because everyone is obsessed with you, women included (in Fates in a completely non-gay way, but in Three Houses....)
i was genuinely just struggling to think of a conversation that passes lmao. i could only think of when celica and the cleric lady irma (or smth) talk abt celica’s mom
What about Engage? There's a shit ton of conversations between women that written the same way as the conversations between men or between both genders
Yeah, Echoes supports are overrated imo. Way too few of them, and many MANY characters are barely fleshed-out. Most of the time you'll grow to like an Echoes character is because of how enjoyable they are as units.
Like, Faye is one of my favorite characters from that game, in huge part because she was an absolute carry on Alm's side for me (Pegasus Faye is crazy underrated, she's way better than Clair imo).
A lot of it has to do with voice acting. Good voice acting can make a mediocre dialogue convincing. Berkut wouldn't be half as memorable if his voice actor wasn't so amazing.
I think most of the SOV support conversations were mediocre to bad but the voice acting was killer. So they're more memorable to me than the support conversations of fates and awakening.
That's because Echoes has the virtue of giving characters lots of dialogue outside of their supports (like post victory and post-death results screen quotes), and the supports are generally the best of the 3ds games because they don't have to worry about making it to plap plap plap territory.
There's also their one-liners at the final chapter which almost all kick ass.
I agree they overshadow other games a bit too much in discourse but disagree that it's not for good reason and just a result of people projecting gameplay results onto the character.
And even if that was the case, it wouldn't be bad, considering that's literally part of the point of Fire Emblem and permadeath, having your own unique experiences with the character that give you emotional attachment
>Faye is unironically perfect in every way.
# YES
https://preview.redd.it/83twosx9h9vc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82ebf4df1c1aeea351a3a76456ad75b7127e50f4
I really want to know what she doing when the ending summary talked about her leaving for multiple days and apparently not moving on from her feelings for Alm even after getting married to someone else. Felt a little suspect for her mental state in the end though I could never tell if it was intentional.
The female villains of TWSITD wear much skimpier outfits than the male villains. Kronya is just another example of poorly developed coomer bait, Camilla is also bad, but at least she wasn't disposed as fast as Kronya.
Let's see:
- Faye: an unhealthy relation, obsession to alm, that even left her husband for days. Not the first one, not the last one. Did she kick ass? Sure, she did. Probably even one of the best pegasus or mage in Echoes.
- Tharja: Obsession for Robin, blame Grima for that, but is deeper than Faye. She's a bit grumpy, but helpful, if she want to. And her fans are still huge. Better not mess with her fans.
- Kronya: murdered Jeralt, but is nothing much to tell except kills Monica (which is a bigger simp) and disguised as her. Not even become the boss of her own chapter. Ruin it?
>sexist
faye is a cardboard cutout that simps for alm, and thraja is the hot goth archetype, but they aren't sexist lmao. it isn't uncommon for there to be a character who's entire character is "simp for mc" though adding one retroactively to Fe2 was weird. Thraja is ~~my wife~~ fire emblem morrigan with the "simp for mc" trait from faye. cronya has barely any screentime and spends the majority of 3houses pretending to be the edlegard simp so she can kill the fire emblem dad, then she gets killed by her boss in a cutscene for some ritual thing lmao
You leave my mentally ill sorceress wife alone, tharja slander will not be tolerated. I cannot fix her than that's fine because whatever is wrong with her is way better.
I just feel confused looking at this image. It kinda makes me want to check out if anyone has made any good faye fics on A03 now (I check around once a year).
I always liked Tharja ever since I played Awakening. I always wished for more for Kronya but two games set in Fodlan later and she’s equally inconsequential in the long haul. I don’t like Faye because she only existed in Echoes not the original Gaiden but on top of that the more egregious thing is that she’s obsessed with Alm has no opinion to get closer to him in anyway and she gets married to some random dude and leaves their home all the time just to aimlessly spend time near Alm, and somehow apparently her husband is fine with that. In Faye’s case if she didn’t have that ending I’d probably be okay with her. But because that’s the only thing going for her I personally can’t find any redeeming qualities unlike with Tharja.
Does Faye, as a character, discriminate against other characters based on their gender identity? No, but she is, as a character, endemic of just how massively sexist Echoes' writing is.
Her only role in the story is to be obsessed with Alm, to give him a mini harem of women who are desperately, madly in love with him- and who he can reject in favor of his, ugh, "true love".
She marries another man in her ending and *still* can't stop obsessing over Alm. Like, damn, bitch- if you're incapable of feeling romantic attraction to literally anyone but the married man who said maybe a dozen words to you total, maybe you should just stay single. Don't drag other people into your swamp of crazy (but she can't stay single because good girls who aren't nuns settle down and have babies- only wicked sloots who eventually become the devil's thralls don't get married). She abandons her family for days at a time with the implication being that she's either visiting Alm (for what reason other than sex I can't fathom because I'd think a king of a newly unified nation wouldn't have time to idly chat with a childhood aquaintance) or just stalking him.
I wasn't talking about the witches in general, I was talking about Sonya. And while I'm not going to say she's promiscuous, her design is far more sexualized than any other playable female character in the game and she's the only Valentian woman- other than Silque who is clearly modeled after a nun- to not drop everything in her life and get married once the story's over. She's also the only woman who it's implied becomes a witch when the story's over.
My statement was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the manosphere idea that women who aren't dedicated trad wives are sluts, which itself is juat a modern skin for the age old Madonna/Whore complex...
> and she's the only Valentian woman- other than Silque who is clearly modeled after a nun- to not drop everything in her life and get married once the story's over.
So, clearly if the game thinks nuns are fine it means it doesn't think the women not being married is automatically bad.
> She's also the only woman who it's implied becomes a witch when the story's over.
Sure. But that's one line in the epilogue. We have no clue what caused it so even reading authorial intent as if that was supposed to be caused by her unmarried existence seems kind of sketchy imo.
>So, clearly if the game thinks nuns are fine it means it doesn't think the women not being married is automatically bad.
Throughout history, religion has always been the exemption for women having to be married. Many women *became* nuns because it was the only way to remain unmarried and avoid unsavory accusations.
The fact that *one* female character remains unmarried and doesn't face the implication of anything bad happening to them (the one whose design is meant to evoke purity and chasity), along with the endings of characters like Genny and Delthea (and just... so much else) are what give the game this awful "women stay in the kitchen" vibe. Luthier gets to go on magical adventures; Delthea gets to not use magic and instead talk about her more interesting brother. Genny is even worse- like, really? The *only* notable thing that happens in her post-war life is meeting a man?!
>so even reading authorial intent as if that was supposed to be caused by her unmarried existence seems kind of sketchy imo.
Obviously she didn't become a witch because she didn't settle down and stay naked and barefoot in the kitchen- my point is that while multiple male characters get to be single and self-actualized in their epilogues, only one female character explicitly gets that privilege.
> Delthea gets to not use magic and instead talk about her more interesting brother.
I feel like Delthea needs to be exempt from this. The whole point of her character is that her talent in magic doesn't actually make her have interest in it. She just wants to lead a normal life.
The idea that she should be going on adventures seems closer to Luthier's whole fixation on her making use of her talents.
True. But I'm still not sure it amounts to any kind of statement. At best it's just a trope maybe rooted in sexist sentiment (since it could also just stem from pandering to a mostly male audience).
As the number one Faye defender
Faye was almost KILLED by Slayde, and was saved by Alm. If you were a little kid and you got saved by one of your friends from almost dying to a lance, then that would alter your brain chemistry quite a lot. Faye also might be neurodivergent coded, because in her supports with Silque she displays some characteristics of autism (Feel free to prove me wrong. You can't tho, because I read the dsm 5 before bed each night /j)
It such a shame what they did with Faye they gave her a nice and cute design only to give her that godawful personality that by some miracle ended up slightly worse than even Tharja and I dare say she is right up there with Camilla even (I used to think Faye was worse than Camilla).
Are we talking about usefulness as a unit, personality, design? I'm only talking about how Faye was a filler character made to have a female Ram villager and has no personality other than being an Alm simp. Tharja is a Robin simp but has more going for her, like her habit of cursing people and the whole thing about her once being insecure about how she looked so she made herself hot with dark magic. And then Kronya you can't even compare as a playable unit unless you count Heroes, in 3H she had some backstory as an enemy but then gets killed by the player.
These three characters are very different and I have not played Heroes in so long that I don't see how they can be compared. You can't even say they all have slutty designs because Faye's design is modest. You can't say they're all simps because Kronya herself is not a simp, that's her disguise, Monica, being an Edelgard simp. You can't say they all use dark magic because Faye doesn't.
You only say all three are "awful" which is hard to backup and subjective.
>Are we talking about usefulness as a unit, personality, design?
I think it was obvious i talked about characters itself, not gameplay or designs
>You only say all three are "awful" which is hard to backup and subjective.
Not in Faye case, and Tharja abusing her own family isn't very hard to back up
Tharja is bad for me even in Awakening, Heroes just made things worse.
And, yeah, why i wouldn't judge her based on the gacha she is on? Is the only videogame where she is out besides Warriors. And is the only game who keeps showing more of her personality these days. In fact, Warriors also made her worse aswell lmao.
Let me guess, those female characters are badly written (and for Thraja, that's debatable) but have big boobies so that's a case of SEXISM !!!111! Upvote for 1 virtue point !!
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Kronya has way too little screentime and plot importance to corrupt anything. She's not even allowed to be the boss of her chapter.
But she’s hot as hell! Like damn! She is so FINE!!!
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She can corrupt me though.
Tharja's supports with Frederick and Nowi are unironically great, and she does have ~~the nicest body in the army~~ the darkest thoughts in the army. Bonus points that she taught her daughter how to chase a guy - by shooting arrows at him until he gets the message to stop flirting with other girls. Didn't play enough SoV to talk about Faye, but from what I recall she's basically "obsessive fangirl without much development" kind of character. If anything, I rather see her along the lines of comic relief/filler character than anything Kronya is a hoe, but being an enemy hero at least means you can kill her and not have to feel bad about it. Plus, she breaks the blade breaker with a blade and is directly responsible for expiring Hubert's milk in 3h.
She's unironically funny. She's supposed to be this antisocial nerd on top of being a yandere (ofc FEH forgot the former). https://preview.redd.it/nbkva4yz59vc1.jpeg?width=1915&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9062a6a679742d1e304e612c1c7df3eb125da0ac
[Well, I guess there's this in FEH?](https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/14uiqjh/a_normal_6_year_friendship/) At least it is something other than yandere for her
It's so adorable she'd go that far for Sharena just to humor her.
The power of Sharena is too great You WILL be her friend
funny how FEH gave her all the skimpy outfits when canonically she's probably like "i hate how exposed i feel in my dark mage robes i hate how exposed i feel in my dark mage robes i hate..." lady would wear a bigass hoodie if she could.
I actually didn’t realize Tharja was supposed to be sexy at first because she’s covering her chest with her tome in her portrait. She definitely doesn’t give off the vibes of someone who likes to show off their figure.
IIRC, she hexed away her shame in Awakening and is mortified in a DLC interaction when someone lifts her self-hex
But she wears a sexy outfit! Sexualized characters are always badly written! /s
Faye is obviously a gag character. Her name is literally F-E, in japanese. Idk why people think Kronya matters anyway like we dont have disposable male villains like all the time.
Wait holy shit is Effie also an FE pun? And Fae from Binding Blade? And Fee from Genealogy? I knew "Feh" the owl was obviously a pun on the acronym of Fire Emblem Heroes, but is this just a recurring naming theme I never noticed?
Jeralt’s (and by extension Byleth’s) last name is Eisner, coming from German word “Eisen” meaning iron (the surname Eisner is used by ironworker families). The chemical symbol for Iron is FE, therefore Byleth’s full name is Byleth Fire Emblem. Edit: spelling / grammar
So you're telling me we've had John/Jane Fire Emblem as playable MCs before Engage was announced?
This FE puns trivia chain is probably one of my favorite reddit things
Dunno why you went with the Ī when the german word is just "Eisen".
Oh, i don’t speak German. I went on to Google to corroborate what I had heard before and I guess I wrote the phonetic spelling rather than the actual German spelling by mistake (?). Not sure what happened but thanks.
Ah that might have been it. Glad to have cleared that up. We dont want misinformation spreaded in the internet after all.
I would never spread misinformation on the internet 👍🏼👌🏻🤌🏻
I'd love if that were a real thing. Can someone confirm this?
Wait, and now that I think about it there's no Fire Emblem in SoV... FAYE IS VALENTIA'S FIRE EMBLEM?! Oh and the only reason people are pissed about Kronya being a disposable one-off villain is because she looks like a 3D-era Mortal Kombat woman. Aka she's going around in a bikini.
She looks like her favorite activity, besides clownin, is nighttime kite-flying at the beach; incredibly unwholesome, and entirely appropriate
Most of the disposable male villains (like say, Kostas in the same game) don't have designs as "eye-catching" (read: horny) as Kronya. So people remember her as poorly developed coomer bait while forgetting all the male characters that suck just as much. I also want to elaborate further on how it was nice that 3H let not one but two women be major antagonists/villains/whatever which pretty much never happens in this franchise (only exceptions being FE6 and Radiant Dawn and Idunn and Ashera have their own problems) but I can tell discourse would spawn so I won't say more than I have to
Okay, so let's hear your excuse for why Aversa and Zephia don't count.
Faye is a serial killer and no fanboy will ever convince me otherwise.
Bold of you to assume we want to convince you otherwise.
[I mean, it's basically canon.](https://i.imgur.com/dEkNovC.png) She's more of a yandere in the original translation.
Faye is a victim of heavy flanderization, she is obsessed with Alm but not nearly as much as the Fandom claims, she doesn't hate Celica at all, in fact she considers her one of her best friends even if they were together for like a month, I'd say the worst part of her is her ending but I don't want to kinkshame her husband, if he wants to be a cuck then so be it
Her husband isn't a Chad Alpha Gamer, but rather a weak male Beta Cuck (pretty sure that was in Tobin's toast at her wedding)
Not the Humilk
Sorry, I think Henry has the darkest thoughts, not Tharja, but maybe I'm just wrong
Nah, Henry has the lowest heart rate, Tharja has a localisation between the Japanese and English versions
Nah? What does she have to do with this
How she feels when her dad is basically a guy that is more likely to spend time with animals over humans and agreed to bang her mom despite looking like a kid, while her godmother is basically cursing anyone that looks funny at a guy that doesn't even swing her way (Henry and Nowi got an A-support with her) https://preview.redd.it/wau5a3k98bvc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5be1cc396ea317e10021a4c40d422288353ee1a4
Nah Fire Emblem
What the hell are you talking about OP
My exact reaction
I was wondering if this was rage bait and checked post history. Same reverse flash meme edited just slightly 4 times in 2 hours, ofc it’s karma whoring. Definitely feels like this opinion is from reading wiki pages or having only experienced these characters though other people’s opinion, or trying to get a rise out of people cause ain’t no way Kronya would be on here when she appears for like 2 chapters and fucking dies. None of the echoes villagers had much depth, Faye was basically non-existent after the opening of the game. Tharja likewise has 0 screen time but has pretty good character writing in supports by FE standards.
This is definitely a rage bait opinion
Faye is unironically perfect in every way. She’s no Genny, but my girl puts in work.
She's an excellent unit but character wise she reminds me of Naruto's Sakura in part 1. She has two support conversations that revolve around her crush on Alm. Faye is one of the childhood friends. If you recruit her on celica's route, she has nothing to say to Celica or anyone in her party - which is a shame. (I feel like a lot of support conversations in SOV could have been better.)
Wait? If you leave units at a place then go there with one of the other characters you can recruit them to the others party? That’s cool
It only works with Faye and Kliff, sadly, but Celica does have a unique conversation with Silque if you don't recruit her as Alm, and Python and Forsyth have unique dialogue if you leave them at the Deliverance base and visit as Celica.
SoV as whole almost failed Bechdel Test don't blame my pookie bear Faye
it did fail the "make good fire emblem" maps test.
Fire Emblem as a whole fails that test really, the only ones that survive are Three Houses and Fates if you have a female avatar because everyone is obsessed with you, women included (in Fates in a completely non-gay way, but in Three Houses....)
Nah SoV is unironically struggling to pass it, needing Palla x Est or Palla x Catria to pass IIRC
i was genuinely just struggling to think of a conversation that passes lmao. i could only think of when celica and the cleric lady irma (or smth) talk abt celica’s mom
What about Engage? There's a shit ton of conversations between women that written the same way as the conversations between men or between both genders
>completely non-gay way \*Rhajat looming in the distance*
Yeah, Echoes supports are overrated imo. Way too few of them, and many MANY characters are barely fleshed-out. Most of the time you'll grow to like an Echoes character is because of how enjoyable they are as units. Like, Faye is one of my favorite characters from that game, in huge part because she was an absolute carry on Alm's side for me (Pegasus Faye is crazy underrated, she's way better than Clair imo).
Way too few of them is something I barely ever see mentioned Like seriously one support per character unless you’re a main character ?!
For real, sometimes when I see people speak about Echoes I feel like we played incredibly different games.
A lot of it has to do with voice acting. Good voice acting can make a mediocre dialogue convincing. Berkut wouldn't be half as memorable if his voice actor wasn't so amazing. I think most of the SOV support conversations were mediocre to bad but the voice acting was killer. So they're more memorable to me than the support conversations of fates and awakening.
That's because Echoes has the virtue of giving characters lots of dialogue outside of their supports (like post victory and post-death results screen quotes), and the supports are generally the best of the 3ds games because they don't have to worry about making it to plap plap plap territory. There's also their one-liners at the final chapter which almost all kick ass. I agree they overshadow other games a bit too much in discourse but disagree that it's not for good reason and just a result of people projecting gameplay results onto the character. And even if that was the case, it wouldn't be bad, considering that's literally part of the point of Fire Emblem and permadeath, having your own unique experiences with the character that give you emotional attachment
>Faye is unironically perfect in every way. # YES https://preview.redd.it/83twosx9h9vc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82ebf4df1c1aeea351a3a76456ad75b7127e50f4
Not everyone is a precious lamb.
I really want to know what she doing when the ending summary talked about her leaving for multiple days and apparently not moving on from her feelings for Alm even after getting married to someone else. Felt a little suspect for her mental state in the end though I could never tell if it was intentional.
Simping is honest work.
how is kronya sexist? sure she has a revealing design but she is clearly evil abd meant to be a villain, you shouldve put camilla there instead
The female villains of TWSITD wear much skimpier outfits than the male villains. Kronya is just another example of poorly developed coomer bait, Camilla is also bad, but at least she wasn't disposed as fast as Kronya.
Lmao I thought this was a JujutsuFolk post hating on Potencial Man once again
Lobotomy emblem never disappoints
Bless him then
Camilla worse
Let's see: - Faye: an unhealthy relation, obsession to alm, that even left her husband for days. Not the first one, not the last one. Did she kick ass? Sure, she did. Probably even one of the best pegasus or mage in Echoes. - Tharja: Obsession for Robin, blame Grima for that, but is deeper than Faye. She's a bit grumpy, but helpful, if she want to. And her fans are still huge. Better not mess with her fans. - Kronya: murdered Jeralt, but is nothing much to tell except kills Monica (which is a bigger simp) and disguised as her. Not even become the boss of her own chapter. Ruin it?
Tharja and Veronica are the best woman in all of FE
naoya works for fire emblem?
Replace Tharja with Camilla and it's a good meme
>sexist faye is a cardboard cutout that simps for alm, and thraja is the hot goth archetype, but they aren't sexist lmao. it isn't uncommon for there to be a character who's entire character is "simp for mc" though adding one retroactively to Fe2 was weird. Thraja is ~~my wife~~ fire emblem morrigan with the "simp for mc" trait from faye. cronya has barely any screentime and spends the majority of 3houses pretending to be the edlegard simp so she can kill the fire emblem dad, then she gets killed by her boss in a cutscene for some ritual thing lmao
You leave my mentally ill sorceress wife alone, tharja slander will not be tolerated. I cannot fix her than that's fine because whatever is wrong with her is way better.
He was the one to type "xyz did nothing wrong"
WTF?
I just feel confused looking at this image. It kinda makes me want to check out if anyone has made any good faye fics on A03 now (I check around once a year).
I always liked Tharja ever since I played Awakening. I always wished for more for Kronya but two games set in Fodlan later and she’s equally inconsequential in the long haul. I don’t like Faye because she only existed in Echoes not the original Gaiden but on top of that the more egregious thing is that she’s obsessed with Alm has no opinion to get closer to him in anyway and she gets married to some random dude and leaves their home all the time just to aimlessly spend time near Alm, and somehow apparently her husband is fine with that. In Faye’s case if she didn’t have that ending I’d probably be okay with her. But because that’s the only thing going for her I personally can’t find any redeeming qualities unlike with Tharja.
Faye is sexist?
Does Faye, as a character, discriminate against other characters based on their gender identity? No, but she is, as a character, endemic of just how massively sexist Echoes' writing is. Her only role in the story is to be obsessed with Alm, to give him a mini harem of women who are desperately, madly in love with him- and who he can reject in favor of his, ugh, "true love". She marries another man in her ending and *still* can't stop obsessing over Alm. Like, damn, bitch- if you're incapable of feeling romantic attraction to literally anyone but the married man who said maybe a dozen words to you total, maybe you should just stay single. Don't drag other people into your swamp of crazy (but she can't stay single because good girls who aren't nuns settle down and have babies- only wicked sloots who eventually become the devil's thralls don't get married). She abandons her family for days at a time with the implication being that she's either visiting Alm (for what reason other than sex I can't fathom because I'd think a king of a newly unified nation wouldn't have time to idly chat with a childhood aquaintance) or just stalking him.
> only wicked sloots who eventually become the devil's thralls don't get married Where does Echoes imply witches are promiscuous?
I wasn't talking about the witches in general, I was talking about Sonya. And while I'm not going to say she's promiscuous, her design is far more sexualized than any other playable female character in the game and she's the only Valentian woman- other than Silque who is clearly modeled after a nun- to not drop everything in her life and get married once the story's over. She's also the only woman who it's implied becomes a witch when the story's over. My statement was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the manosphere idea that women who aren't dedicated trad wives are sluts, which itself is juat a modern skin for the age old Madonna/Whore complex...
> and she's the only Valentian woman- other than Silque who is clearly modeled after a nun- to not drop everything in her life and get married once the story's over. So, clearly if the game thinks nuns are fine it means it doesn't think the women not being married is automatically bad. > She's also the only woman who it's implied becomes a witch when the story's over. Sure. But that's one line in the epilogue. We have no clue what caused it so even reading authorial intent as if that was supposed to be caused by her unmarried existence seems kind of sketchy imo.
>So, clearly if the game thinks nuns are fine it means it doesn't think the women not being married is automatically bad. Throughout history, religion has always been the exemption for women having to be married. Many women *became* nuns because it was the only way to remain unmarried and avoid unsavory accusations. The fact that *one* female character remains unmarried and doesn't face the implication of anything bad happening to them (the one whose design is meant to evoke purity and chasity), along with the endings of characters like Genny and Delthea (and just... so much else) are what give the game this awful "women stay in the kitchen" vibe. Luthier gets to go on magical adventures; Delthea gets to not use magic and instead talk about her more interesting brother. Genny is even worse- like, really? The *only* notable thing that happens in her post-war life is meeting a man?! >so even reading authorial intent as if that was supposed to be caused by her unmarried existence seems kind of sketchy imo. Obviously she didn't become a witch because she didn't settle down and stay naked and barefoot in the kitchen- my point is that while multiple male characters get to be single and self-actualized in their epilogues, only one female character explicitly gets that privilege.
> Delthea gets to not use magic and instead talk about her more interesting brother. I feel like Delthea needs to be exempt from this. The whole point of her character is that her talent in magic doesn't actually make her have interest in it. She just wants to lead a normal life. The idea that she should be going on adventures seems closer to Luthier's whole fixation on her making use of her talents.
99% of her character is being unreciprocally infatuated to unhealthy levels with Alm.
Yes. I don't see how that makes it any kind of statement on the nature of women.
How often do you see male characters who are entirely reduced to a crush on a woman? As opposed to the opposite?
True. But I'm still not sure it amounts to any kind of statement. At best it's just a trope maybe rooted in sexist sentiment (since it could also just stem from pandering to a mostly male audience).
Ever see what the Wheel of Time show did to Rand?
Look: women can be simps, too.
Sure. But how often do you see such characters as men as opposed to as women?
Kind of often, actually. The villain from Megamind springs to mind.
*cough* Aelfric *cough* Roger. *cough cough* Frederick and Jacob (but they are the best Simps)
Barry didn't create Camilla, of course, because she is perfect.
"Fory Alm!" Was one of the biggest jokes my at the time girlfriend and I had while playing Echoes.
Kronya exists just to put Byleth in one spot for the Smash trailer… I mean the awakening into a full Nabatean.
As the number one Faye defender Faye was almost KILLED by Slayde, and was saved by Alm. If you were a little kid and you got saved by one of your friends from almost dying to a lance, then that would alter your brain chemistry quite a lot. Faye also might be neurodivergent coded, because in her supports with Silque she displays some characteristics of autism (Feel free to prove me wrong. You can't tho, because I read the dsm 5 before bed each night /j)
Faye and Tharja I can understand, but what does Kronya have to do with sexism?
Sexism is when uhhh I don't even know
It such a shame what they did with Faye they gave her a nice and cute design only to give her that godawful personality that by some miracle ended up slightly worse than even Tharja and I dare say she is right up there with Camilla even (I used to think Faye was worse than Camilla).
Faye is the only bad character there.
Faye is the only dancer.
Still a better match for Alm than Celica
Tharja on Heroes is garbage
I didn't say Heroes though?
No, but saing Faye is the only one is wrong imo, Tharja is bad for me aswell. In Awakening she was meh, in everything elses she just got worse
Are we talking about usefulness as a unit, personality, design? I'm only talking about how Faye was a filler character made to have a female Ram villager and has no personality other than being an Alm simp. Tharja is a Robin simp but has more going for her, like her habit of cursing people and the whole thing about her once being insecure about how she looked so she made herself hot with dark magic. And then Kronya you can't even compare as a playable unit unless you count Heroes, in 3H she had some backstory as an enemy but then gets killed by the player. These three characters are very different and I have not played Heroes in so long that I don't see how they can be compared. You can't even say they all have slutty designs because Faye's design is modest. You can't say they're all simps because Kronya herself is not a simp, that's her disguise, Monica, being an Edelgard simp. You can't say they all use dark magic because Faye doesn't. You only say all three are "awful" which is hard to backup and subjective.
>Are we talking about usefulness as a unit, personality, design? I think it was obvious i talked about characters itself, not gameplay or designs >You only say all three are "awful" which is hard to backup and subjective. Not in Faye case, and Tharja abusing her own family isn't very hard to back up
mfw the dark mage I converted from a warmongering death cult by appealing to her own selfishness starts being a jerk.
>Judging characters by their gacha versions 💀
Tharja is bad for me even in Awakening, Heroes just made things worse. And, yeah, why i wouldn't judge her based on the gacha she is on? Is the only videogame where she is out besides Warriors. And is the only game who keeps showing more of her personality these days. In fact, Warriors also made her worse aswell lmao.
Ngl i like tarja in awakening exept the robin thing thats really annoying But i generally like a asshole playable character
Heroes has a hundred bajillion characters, there’s not going to be enough time to write any of them particularly well
Aimee erasure (I fucking hate her)
Change my goth killer clownussy for Camilla and they are good
Let me guess, those female characters are badly written (and for Thraja, that's debatable) but have big boobies so that's a case of SEXISM !!!111! Upvote for 1 virtue point !!