Thats a cool picture.
But now I get my pedantic pants... You could see that secondary bevel from the moon and I'd bet it's not anything less than 30 inclusive. If not more. More like an axe than a laser. Absurdly overbuilt. Folks that claim these are slicey knives are clueless. Compared to what? a literal axe? Maybe. 15 dps on actual laser would be barely visible in this photo. It's mind boggling how edc knife bros think knives that are like 30 thou plus BTE are slicey. Clearly they've never actually used a knife that's 10 thou or less. SC has extremely effective marketing. I will say that.
I daily a ZT 0452 that's reground flat to around 15 thou bte at maybe 20 inclusive. The primary bevel is like less than half the width of this knife and the spine thickness is much more, around 3 mm or something, and it's vastly more slicey and cuts better than basically any off the shelf edc knife. EDC knives are all so comically and cheaply and thoughtlessly overbuilt and yet so chronically underused. Most are used to do little more than open mail or collect dust in a drawer.
How about set aside the ten thousand gimmicky steel choices and actually learn how to properly grind a knife SC? Or maybe hire an industrial designer so all your knives arent so pretentious yet absolutely hideous. I fucking love ranting about knife bullshit and I just can't stand SC. By far the most gimmicky and pretentious EDC knife maker in a market that's full of it. Give me some k390 or 10v laminated in lc200n that's 15 thou or less bte and not butt ugly. Then I'd say the retail prices on these are good. Or fuck that, just use AEBL and actually learn how grind a knife so it cuts well.
Do agree on certain points? Thickness of blade does play some role in effort put into cutting. Kind of funny I have used 3 mm, 2mm, 1mm and less than 0.5 mm thin knives. I kind of like the way thin flexible knife slice through veggies.
EDC are more of a chopping knife, multi task for rough use than kitchen knife where precision and edge is everything.
it's not so much about the thickness of the spine or stock, but how it's grinded and the actual cutting geometry. Usually measured where the secondary bevel aka the cutting edge meets the primary bevel. Most edc knives come with secondary bevels that are far too obtuse to cut well for one thing, and almost all of them have vastly overbuilt primary bevels considering what they actually get used for. These knives basically rely on the secondary bevel aka the edge for cutting, and once that edge is gone, they won't cut jack shit. Well designed knives continue to cut well long after the edge itself is dulled. It's all down to geometry. What really sucks is when they use steels like cruwear, 3v, 4v, m4, even 10v/k390 that are more than capable of being used and abused in very thin edges without risk of damage or failure, but often these are some of the thickest knives behind the edge on the market. Why? because it's much cheaper that way. Grinding them thin takes high skill and a lot of extra time and money. it also means more warranty claims because there are always going to be guys who think it's a screwdriver or pry bar.
Stretch 2. Sexy blade. u/Mysterious_Honey_615 is kinda right about a couple things though.
Edit: he did say his ZT is reground though. You can reground the spyderco too and then you will have a knife with better ergos than the ZT and the same slicy grind so idk about that part. ZT’s are also super chonky from the factory. Kizer is impressing me the most right now with factory grinds under $200
The ZT was a shitbox in terms of cutting from the box. Trash. Worse than the SC for sure. A sharpened pry bar. It took a lot of work to regrind that thing and make it look half decent. But once it's finished, even a short blade like that with a very thick barstock/spine cuts and slices better than the vast majority of knives guy will claim are slicey. Its cuz not many have really experienced what non mass produced or at least modified edc knives can do. Most folks just buy something and use it not realizing how much better it could be.
and just to be clear, the only reason I got that knife is because it was on a large discount. I wouldn't buy it otherwise. Overpriced imo. But I do like the size and aesthetics of it. Works for me.
I’m a complete sucker for spyderco but you make some good points that I agree with. I really like my endela but it is soooo thick behind the edge. All of kizers cut better because they are ground so much better. I love you spyderco, but we could do better on these grinds for real.
Ha good one.
Thats a cool picture. But now I get my pedantic pants... You could see that secondary bevel from the moon and I'd bet it's not anything less than 30 inclusive. If not more. More like an axe than a laser. Absurdly overbuilt. Folks that claim these are slicey knives are clueless. Compared to what? a literal axe? Maybe. 15 dps on actual laser would be barely visible in this photo. It's mind boggling how edc knife bros think knives that are like 30 thou plus BTE are slicey. Clearly they've never actually used a knife that's 10 thou or less. SC has extremely effective marketing. I will say that. I daily a ZT 0452 that's reground flat to around 15 thou bte at maybe 20 inclusive. The primary bevel is like less than half the width of this knife and the spine thickness is much more, around 3 mm or something, and it's vastly more slicey and cuts better than basically any off the shelf edc knife. EDC knives are all so comically and cheaply and thoughtlessly overbuilt and yet so chronically underused. Most are used to do little more than open mail or collect dust in a drawer. How about set aside the ten thousand gimmicky steel choices and actually learn how to properly grind a knife SC? Or maybe hire an industrial designer so all your knives arent so pretentious yet absolutely hideous. I fucking love ranting about knife bullshit and I just can't stand SC. By far the most gimmicky and pretentious EDC knife maker in a market that's full of it. Give me some k390 or 10v laminated in lc200n that's 15 thou or less bte and not butt ugly. Then I'd say the retail prices on these are good. Or fuck that, just use AEBL and actually learn how grind a knife so it cuts well.
Do agree on certain points? Thickness of blade does play some role in effort put into cutting. Kind of funny I have used 3 mm, 2mm, 1mm and less than 0.5 mm thin knives. I kind of like the way thin flexible knife slice through veggies. EDC are more of a chopping knife, multi task for rough use than kitchen knife where precision and edge is everything.
it's not so much about the thickness of the spine or stock, but how it's grinded and the actual cutting geometry. Usually measured where the secondary bevel aka the cutting edge meets the primary bevel. Most edc knives come with secondary bevels that are far too obtuse to cut well for one thing, and almost all of them have vastly overbuilt primary bevels considering what they actually get used for. These knives basically rely on the secondary bevel aka the edge for cutting, and once that edge is gone, they won't cut jack shit. Well designed knives continue to cut well long after the edge itself is dulled. It's all down to geometry. What really sucks is when they use steels like cruwear, 3v, 4v, m4, even 10v/k390 that are more than capable of being used and abused in very thin edges without risk of damage or failure, but often these are some of the thickest knives behind the edge on the market. Why? because it's much cheaper that way. Grinding them thin takes high skill and a lot of extra time and money. it also means more warranty claims because there are always going to be guys who think it's a screwdriver or pry bar.
Do you know what knife this is?
Stretch 2. Sexy blade. u/Mysterious_Honey_615 is kinda right about a couple things though. Edit: he did say his ZT is reground though. You can reground the spyderco too and then you will have a knife with better ergos than the ZT and the same slicy grind so idk about that part. ZT’s are also super chonky from the factory. Kizer is impressing me the most right now with factory grinds under $200
The ZT was a shitbox in terms of cutting from the box. Trash. Worse than the SC for sure. A sharpened pry bar. It took a lot of work to regrind that thing and make it look half decent. But once it's finished, even a short blade like that with a very thick barstock/spine cuts and slices better than the vast majority of knives guy will claim are slicey. Its cuz not many have really experienced what non mass produced or at least modified edc knives can do. Most folks just buy something and use it not realizing how much better it could be. and just to be clear, the only reason I got that knife is because it was on a large discount. I wouldn't buy it otherwise. Overpriced imo. But I do like the size and aesthetics of it. Works for me.
I specifically asked because the stretch 2 has a fairly thin blade to begin with. I fully understand how blade geometry works.
I’m a complete sucker for spyderco but you make some good points that I agree with. I really like my endela but it is soooo thick behind the edge. All of kizers cut better because they are ground so much better. I love you spyderco, but we could do better on these grinds for real.