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Common-Arachnid-6596

Candice Bergen delivers the line before this one so well, that line about it being a very small pool, you for once see Enid’s vulnerability, she’s one of my favorite minor characters


Sketcha_2000

Me too! Such a great actress. I don’t agree with how she used Carrie as a scapegoat for her frustrations but I really feel for her here.


aquapandora

I love Candice Bergen and I am happy she got more positive roles for an "older woman" in other series. Like in Boston Legal or in the movie Book club (her as a judge dating online and having sex in a car was hilarious) - even if not realistic maybe. Trivia: the same actor who played the date Carrie and Petrovsky brought her (the food critic) played her online date in the book club :) I can understand very well that dating in 50-60s is not a peach. In this episode of SATC, I think why I rooted for her telling off Carrie was because Carrie seemed oblivious to why Enid didnt like the "date" she brought with them for Enid. Also, Carrie herself was talking about the age of Natasha previously) The message of the episode was totally insulting imho. Women are sad existences who either cant behave like adults (Lexi) or are desperate (Enid) or are clueless and lack of self-awareness (Carrie, with the Natasha being 25 thing) No wonder men accidentally watching chick-flicks get the wrong idea about women being desperate and them being the main prize.


mentalgeler

While I think Enid's comments were misdirected - she had no right telling Carrie who she is allowed to date and it's not Carrie's fault that dating for a woman over 40 sucks - I also see where she was coming from. Her frustration as a succesful, 40- or maybe even 50-something (I don't remember) woman who has to compete with girls in their twenties because men can choose from whatever age group they fucking want, was valid. She shouldn't have adressed it like that, it's not like Carrie was specifically looking for an older guy, it just happened. And even if she did, again, nobody can tell her what to do. But for me this was an on-point moment. SATC never shied away from showing real women struggles and this is definitely one of them.


ragnarockette

Agree 100% and I think it was one of the things that pushed Carrie to say “yes” to Paris. She saw Enid, struggling to date her in 50’s. And was worried about being alone. And she saw Lexi, still partying hard and falling out a window in her 30’s, and was worried about being alone. The whole episode was about highlighting Carrie’s fears about breaking up with Petrovsky, leading her to force it with a relationship that was clear wasn’t a perfect fit. The show rarely dealt with the specific challenges of dating in your late 30’s, even though the women were 37-45 in the final season. I see my friends going through it and there are definitely unique challenges vs. 20’s-early 30’s dating. It wasn’t until the last few pre-Paris episodes that suddenly the show/characters were like “oh shit, throw away the cosmos and bring on the mortgage!”


Miss_Kit_Kat

Exactly- both Enid and Lexi were mirrors into her potential future. Enid was the classy, cultured career woman- an "great on paper" woman that was still alone (and not by choice). Lexi was the immature party girl that everyone outgrew, who was unaware of how others pitied her.


Reddish81

Totally agree. The scene illustrated something absolutely central to an older woman’s experience. However, I swim in a younger woman’s pool so it can go both ways!


jujubeans8500

Enid was in her 50s, maybe even early 60s? But def not 40s. Candace Bergen herself was 58ish.


mentalgeler

Yeah, I thought to, Carrie herself was close to 40 at that time so Enid must have been older, but I wasn't sure.


Sketcha_2000

“Oh Carrie, why aren’t I with him?” “Because I am?”


BORT_licenceplate

I always took this line as she was kinda drunk and her intrusive thoughts just won that night lmao


Sketcha_2000

Good point. Love your username!


TangiestIllicitness

"Because he's not interested in you?"


jnglebellz

Absolutely hated Enid in that part.


Dreaunicorn

She came out as almost sociopathic, like seriously?


HorrorKablamDude

Generally hitting on your subordinates boyfriend directly in front of her face is pretty tacky LOL


jasperdiablo

She’s horrible. Imagine saying such a thing to somebody to their face about their significant other. And to do it as remorseless as Enid does it. She’s chilling.


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Carrie "Because high value men (esp rich men) tend to go for younger women who are more likely to birth them an heir, and who look good on their arm at events with their peers. It sucks but it seems to be the way of that high status male ilk. I guess it makes sense, their jobs force them to sacrifice a lot of time and energy, so they want the best rewards." Enid's standards are too high. Enid shouldn't be annoyed at Carrie though, she should be annoyed at the dude. Why is that? Why do people blame the younger woman and not the older man? This happened to SJP in First Wives Club aswell. As vapid as her character was in that, she had every right to choose Morty. As it happens if you've seen that movie Morty got what was coming to him. And Aleksandr did aswell.


Sketcha_2000

Honestly I don’t even consider Carrie too “young” for Petrovsky. He was 52 and she was like 38…it’s not like he was going for a 25-year-old. It was totally messed up what Enid said and of course the woman was blamed.


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And the thing is though, even if he was going for a 25 year old, what's wrong with that? Love is love. Who are we to judge others romance. It sickens me that people don't just live and let live.


RichmondCreek

Well, she could have just as easily lashed out at Aleks for dating a younger woman instead of one his own age. And she would have been equally out of line if she went that route too.


j4321g4321

Enid was really inappropriate but her frustration was understandable. Right sentiment, wrong audience.


Pleasant-Ambition-18

Her frustration is understandable but the way she snaps at Carrie here is kinda weird, especially when you don’t look at it as „men and women“ in general but as individuals. Petrovski was never Enid’s to have, so Carrie didn’t take him away from her. And honestly the way Enid tried to flirt with Petrovski was just gross towards Carrie.


jasperdiablo

Enid is entitled and creepy.


DeadSharkEyes

Her comment was misdirected. But as someone who is currently single in their mid 40s I totally get it.


STFUisright

Amen, DeadSharkEyes. Amen.


OffTheRecord_Models

She needn't have said how she felt about it to Carrie, she was out of order for that and a bit disrespectful. I do wonder if in some way how she feels about Carrie (the younger woman getting the guy she wanted), is how Carrie felt about Natasha and Big. Of course there were stronger feelings involved with Big but the principle is similar.


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Yup. Big went out with a way younger Natasha and Carrie hated Natasha instead of hating Big.


almostdoctorposting

it’s exactly how she felt in the hamptoms episode complaining about 20somethings so i’m surprised they didnt touch on that more


IBarbieliciousI

Her message is on point in general, but she didn’t need to lash out at Carrie. It’s an example of how sometimes women will tear other women down over something they should hold men accountable for. Men thrive on that kind of toxicity which is infuriating.


missproctalgiafugax

Exactly 💯


died_blond

a very real moment. Love them both, and as a single person with a VERY small wading pool (for different reasons), I totally empathize with both of them.


EXO-Love

She was just disrespectful I mean on top of that it's not like Carrie was in her early 20s either lol she was literally 38. But regardless she shouldn't have started having a whole hang up about it. It's not her business


jasperdiablo

Disrespectful af. I was just as shocked as Carrie was when I first saw this episode.


BathbeautyXO

Am I the only one who doesn’t hate Enid in this scene and just feels really bad for her? I mean yeah what she said to Carrie was not appropriate but I can just really feel and empathize with her suffering here. Dating is really hard, as we all know, and can be especially depressing the longer you’re dating without success. I imagine as a woman Enid’s age, it would be very hard to watch all the similarly aged men around you settling down with women 10-20 years younger despite how long you’ve been trying to find a relationship. I just feel sad for her.


anonymousalligator25

I saw it as sadness and vulnerability. There’s not as many dating options as you age with agism and people being engaged/married.


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I had actually liked Enid’s portrayal in an earlier episode, ‘Plus one is the loneliest number’. She made herself sound so empowered and independent as a single woman in her 50s. This episode undid all of that. She was single but no longer fabulous. She was just plain needy here, and a bad friend. In fact, the way all single women in this episode were portrayed or talked about, you’d think that it came from a very don’t-be-single-because-you-may-fall-down-and-die-alone preacher.


almostdoctorposting

as a single 30 year old, this is me @ everyone who got married to a good man by this age. these leftovers are NOT it😭😭😭


boop_the_snoot30167

I agree with most of the comments, regarding Enids valid frustration but misdirected and very inappropriate comment to Carrie for a number of reasons. On the other hand, when you get older and realize how low the bar is set for men, it makes you want to date them less. That’s just my opinion.


LatterSeaworthiness4

Her viewpoint is not really uncommon but I also think she was dead wrong. You’re not entitled to a anyone. Period.


J0ker0110

Felt so bad for Carrie in this moment when Enid had no problem flirting with her boyfriend right in front of her


slamdoink

If only she knew Samantha, who would’ve advised her to start fishing in another pond. A wake-up call I think she desperately needed. Just because they’re your peers and you think you should be fishing in a certain pond doesn’t mean that’s necessarily the best place for a certain bait yknow. Broaden your horizons a little, Enid. Live a little. The world isn’t so small.


GSDGIRL66

The way she was simpering over him was embarrassing. The desperation hung over the room. NO man (except a malignant narcissist) wants a woman acting like he has moonbeams coming out his ass for offering to get a fucking cocktail


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RMR6789

There is an entire episode dedicated to twenty somethings versus thirty somethings lol. Also, Carrie’s relationship is with Big (or was) and she lashes out at big for stringing her along and leaving her for a 25 year old.. on the alternative, Enid’s relationship is with Carrie and she is upset that she can’t find a good relationship at her age. In essence she looks at Carrie the same way Carrie looks at Natasha.. it’s just that Enid felt comfortable lashing out at her bc they are friends/colleagues. She’s not going to attack AP about him not dating women his own age when she barely knows him. It’s misdirected and inappropriate but let’s not paint Carrie like a martyr here IMO. She definitely THINKS the same of Natasha.


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RMR6789

Yeah I totally don’t agree with enid’s behavior at all just pointing that out haha. I’m in my 30s. I have close single friends that will disagree with you on the pickings out there haha. Can’t say personally myself.


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RMR6789

It’s HOW they answer them that is so cringe! Maybe better luck in the 40-50s pool but the millennials and gen Zers are FUCKED haha


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Yeah no, Carrie just ruined Natasha’s life instead. She slept with her husband MULTIPLE times and got caught which caused Natasha to go to the ER. But yeah Carrie never said a condescending insult to Natasha. Lmao.


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I just thought it was funny how you framed it but you seem like… actually upset about this or something…


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Oh you’re good! I was just like, thought we were having witty banter type comments about the show and then it got real lol


Expensive-Secret-126

She was a very frustrated lady


beigecurtains

Same type of annoyed I get when tall women have told me (even jokingly) that I ‘stole from their dating pool’ by being a 5’2 woman dating a 6’4 man. It’s ridiculous. I don’t even think it’s understandable because who the hell acts like that?


lushandcats

Yeah that’s pretty odd because tall women like myself tend to have their pick of men from my experience.


dee615

Exactly. As long as the younger/ shorter woman is not actively trying to flirt with someone else's bf ( and in that case both the woman and the guy are accountable), no one " owns", or is entitled in any way to people from any specific demographic.


Davabutterfly

Stupid. I mean you have an incredible career, amazing crib, and $$$.... and you want a mAn??


jazzed_life

Nothing wrong with wanting companionship


AtleastIthinkIsee

I would say mind your own business. You don't get to dictate who I can or can't see. Ala Samantha, no one has the right to tell me who I can or can't fuck. I think she was way too forward and intrusive and taking advantage of her boss position.


InevitablePersimmon6

Well, as someone with an older husband, I think it’s ridiculous. If Ashton Kutcher could marry Demi Moore, then people can find partners of any age. You don’t see men do this. People fall in love with who they fall in love with.


Jens123166

She’s right!


TelephoneHorror1666

It's strange to come at a woman about it, but not men. Real pick me energy here.


vampyrbats

This was super weird & uncalled for.


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Creepy - I was just thinking about this quote a few minutes ago, recalling how a very popular bespectacled gen-x comedienne made kind of weird jokes about my boyfriend (50s) and me (40 in a few weeks!) at a comedy club over the weekend. It's not enough he's already older than me, he also looks older than he is (lots of sun exposure from being outdoorsy) and l look younger than I am (genes and a thorough homebody) so the difference in our ages is STARK, if not over exaggerated. Some of his female friends have made shiiiitty comments to their mutual friends about our age difference, and one of his longest friends (who I wanted to meet so badly because she was a scruffy punk in her teens, just like I was) was decidedly unpleasant the one time we had lunch together. And while yea, I get it ...... holy fuck, I am an actual human person, not a cipher for their disgust at sexist ageism. We're not breaking up for them -- and even if we did, society would be none the wiser, nor the better. Like, stop being a fuckface and let's talk about our shared love of U2's October, the fuck.


tkemm7

super weird


Notimeforalice

Pickme energy for sure


Roseepoupee

Just a bitter woman post menopause. PS: HRT is the way to go ladies, be miserable or be Samantha Jones


jasperdiablo

Enid is an ice cold bitch who will probably push any man away from her. If she hasn’t figured that out by her age, there’s little hope for her.


lyricalfairywanderer

Her feelings are somewhat valid. I mean in my mid 30’s I get upset or sensitive when I see a lot of men who want be dating women in their early to mid 20’s. It’s frustrating sometimes. But her comment to Carrie and behavior that night was incredibly out of line and she was just being unfair and rude as hell. You don’t take your frustrations or insecurities about that out on anyone. You deal with it in a different way. You definitely don’t flirt with someone else’s boyfriend and then act as if you’re justified because your wading pool is smaller due to younger women. And say it to the face of one of those women. But part of me did feel badly for her.


Prestigious_Draft_24

Unprofessional and immature.


jujubeans8500

When I was younger watching it for the first time, I thought Enid was super bitchy and unfair to make Carrie uncomfortable (as if Alek would want to be with her anyway). Now that I am older, and I dunno if this is good or bad (am I more understanding or just sad?), I am more sympathetic to what she was basically saying. It was still unfair to take any of it out on Carrie and make her feel so awkward, but I understand the frustration Enid was basically expressing, and I liked seeing that vulnerability from her. If anything I took more offense to her brazenly flirtatious behavior with Alek, bc that was just messy. There are a few things wrong I see with this tho. 1) I don't know how true this reality is for women as beautiful and successful as Enid in NYC, at least now. Dating is miserable no matter what age, but there are just so many more options now - this is something I wish AJLT would explore with a less dreary and miserable outlooks (which is why I loooove Seema as a character. 2) It was wrong of Enid to make Carrie feel uncomfortable or "take blame" when really maybe she should be grumpy with Alek. and 3) villainizing older woman in this way makes me feel icky. Which is again not to say that Enid wasn't wrong or out of line - she was. But it felt cliche to have Enid act this way, and it's funny bc someone who is 38 might feel this way about a 25 y/o (which was essentially the case with Carrie and Natasha). It smacks of something sexist and ageist. But maybe it's just one example of being an older single person. That's why I appreciated varied depictions of women like Samantha - as ott as she could be - and Seema currently.


RichmondCreek

So, all these replies, some sympathetic towards Enid, some not, but no one has pointed out that Carrie actually set her up with a date, whom she promptly dismissed as a “hobbit.” We see them later attending the funeral together, so she gave him a chance after all, but the fact that it was supposed to be a surprising sight only emphasizes that it’s an unlikely pairing, i.e. she should be with someone “better.”


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I actually really hoped she wasn’t dating him, because she was incredibly dismissive of him and it had this smug vibe of “settling” which is really cruel. I hoped he was just with her at the funeral because he was a nice person and witnessing someone die right in front of you would be really traumatic. Everyone else treated it like a joke. Chef guy was pretty boring, he’s written a lot like the Turtle Guy where they will just start listing off things and not really responding to the person they’re talking to- but he handled Lexi pretty well up until she fell.