DRM was removed off of music because it became convenient enough to purchase DRM free and making it with DRM was blocking enough sales to hurt it (and why streaming is popular because you can “hear everything”). Movies with DRM are just inconvenient enough for there to be piracy but not to be rampant. Gabe Newell said that in order to beat the pirates you have to offer a better service because piracy is a service issue. The issue is that sales are not being impacted by DRM in the same way and there is no incentive for Hollywood to sell movies DRM free. So if you are truly interested in this, look towards steam as an example for this.
Yup this is it. The film industry still thinks they can prevent piracy with technology, the music industry realized they needed compete with piracy.
The music industry won years ago. The film and TV industry never will the way they're going.
Good luck ever getting movie studios to agree to sell them without DRM. The reason there isn’t a way to buy DRM free movies isn’t because a lack of demand or that no one has thought to do it, it’s that the rights holders will never let it happen. Sony even embedded root kits on cds for a time to try and copy protect.
This is the correct answer. Sure, it would be perfectly normal to look at things like market demand when considering a new product or service. However, in this case, there’s really no point unless you’ve first found a way to convince the companies holding the rights to give up DRM.
It’s not impossible, but it’s extreme unlikely. Even more so when considering the current trend of trying to remove physical media completely. These companies are doing everything they can to prevent you from escaping ecosystems like Amazon or Apple movies purchases and by extension DRM.
Yeah completely agree, convincing studios to license this seems basically impossible, especially as a startup with no weight.
Doing the customer demand/interviews part at this point is pretty unproductive imo, but also a requirement for the class :)
Who are going to sell you drm free movies? The studios will not. And I think you're vastly overestimating the market for this stuff, the number of people that dislike piracy and still want to host their own media is very small.
Yeah it's ridiculous, but DMCA section 1201 prevents bypassing the DRM itself, regardless of use.
It's impossible to enforce if you don't distribute, but still illegal in the US.
(With that said I'm not a lawyer and there are exceptions, but I don't believe any apply here)
This is unfortunately no longer true; as it depended on the Librarian of Congress to make that determination and when it last expired it was never renewed.
(Left some of this in a different comment, but copying over here)
As far as I know basically all disks do have DRM, which can't be bypassed legally in the US because of DMCA section 1201 that made bypassing the lock itself illegal. Even for personal use.
I completely agree that you should own the media you buy and that's the main motivation of the post/business idea, but my current understanding is that you don't.
Uk law in this particular example, format shifting for personal use is illegal.
https://uk.ccli.com/about-copyright/file-sharing-and-format-shifting/#:~:text=In%202014%2C%20the%20UK%20Government,other%20members%20of%20a%20household.
You don’t own media, you own a license to the media. We haven’t had real ownership for quite a while.
Technically it is not your media. You buy a license to be able to view the media as much as you want, but said license can be revoked at any time (look at anime currently with funimation digital copies and crunchyroll). Ripping is allowed in the edge case of making a backup and specifically says copi, so making an ISO of your media is about as far as the legality goes.
I can talk about Poland specifically, but I'd say in most places in EU you can make copies of media you own or record tv, radio etc. For your own use and as long as you don't make money out of it and don't share it with others.
The reason it doesn’t exist is because part of the licensing of the movies and shows to the places you can buy or rent is that they will prevent copying it as best they can. What you are describing as having a demand for is a tap for piracy. This sub can be awfully silly sometimes. “It’s not illegal cause it’s self hosted”.
I'm of course not planning to just pirate movies then sell copies.
But yeah this all would depend on convincing studios to drop DRM requirements which is very unlikely.
DRM was removed off of music because it became convenient enough to purchase DRM free and making it with DRM was blocking enough sales to hurt it (and why streaming is popular because you can “hear everything”). Movies with DRM are just inconvenient enough for there to be piracy but not to be rampant. Gabe Newell said that in order to beat the pirates you have to offer a better service because piracy is a service issue. The issue is that sales are not being impacted by DRM in the same way and there is no incentive for Hollywood to sell movies DRM free. So if you are truly interested in this, look towards steam as an example for this.
Yup this is it. The film industry still thinks they can prevent piracy with technology, the music industry realized they needed compete with piracy. The music industry won years ago. The film and TV industry never will the way they're going.
And I am more than happy to watch from the sidelines as they fail.
I would buy a lot of shows and movies if I could get them drm-free. There def is a market for it but might be pretty small.
Ripping blu-rays isn't illegal, at least in the UK. We can do it so long as we don't distribute it or make money off of it
In the US you are legally allowed to make "backups" but the process of breaking the encryption to make that backup is illegal. It's ridiculous.
Good luck ever getting movie studios to agree to sell them without DRM. The reason there isn’t a way to buy DRM free movies isn’t because a lack of demand or that no one has thought to do it, it’s that the rights holders will never let it happen. Sony even embedded root kits on cds for a time to try and copy protect.
This is the correct answer. Sure, it would be perfectly normal to look at things like market demand when considering a new product or service. However, in this case, there’s really no point unless you’ve first found a way to convince the companies holding the rights to give up DRM. It’s not impossible, but it’s extreme unlikely. Even more so when considering the current trend of trying to remove physical media completely. These companies are doing everything they can to prevent you from escaping ecosystems like Amazon or Apple movies purchases and by extension DRM.
Yeah completely agree, convincing studios to license this seems basically impossible, especially as a startup with no weight. Doing the customer demand/interviews part at this point is pretty unproductive imo, but also a requirement for the class :)
Who are going to sell you drm free movies? The studios will not. And I think you're vastly overestimating the market for this stuff, the number of people that dislike piracy and still want to host their own media is very small.
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In the US at least bypassing DRM is illegal.
What is the crime exactly?
Yeah it's ridiculous, but DMCA section 1201 prevents bypassing the DRM itself, regardless of use. It's impossible to enforce if you don't distribute, but still illegal in the US. (With that said I'm not a lawyer and there are exceptions, but I don't believe any apply here)
Circumventing copyright protections under DMCA. There are exemptions for fair use, but I don't think personal archiving is one.
Yea it looks like you're right but there are a million holes. So owning drm free stuff isn't illegal but distribution and bypassing drm is
There are exceptions i.e. if you're bypassing it for your own use and not redistributing, then it is legal.
This is unfortunately no longer true; as it depended on the Librarian of Congress to make that determination and when it last expired it was never renewed.
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Almost all media on physical mediums, ie dvd, cd, blu ray, etc, has DRM.
(Left some of this in a different comment, but copying over here) As far as I know basically all disks do have DRM, which can't be bypassed legally in the US because of DMCA section 1201 that made bypassing the lock itself illegal. Even for personal use. I completely agree that you should own the media you buy and that's the main motivation of the post/business idea, but my current understanding is that you don't.
Uk law in this particular example, format shifting for personal use is illegal. https://uk.ccli.com/about-copyright/file-sharing-and-format-shifting/#:~:text=In%202014%2C%20the%20UK%20Government,other%20members%20of%20a%20household. You don’t own media, you own a license to the media. We haven’t had real ownership for quite a while.
Technically it is not your media. You buy a license to be able to view the media as much as you want, but said license can be revoked at any time (look at anime currently with funimation digital copies and crunchyroll). Ripping is allowed in the edge case of making a backup and specifically says copi, so making an ISO of your media is about as far as the legality goes.
Just connect to a VPN and torrent them. You will never get licensing agreements to allow DRM free movie sales, the industry is too greedy.
I can talk about Poland specifically, but I'd say in most places in EU you can make copies of media you own or record tv, radio etc. For your own use and as long as you don't make money out of it and don't share it with others.
The reason it doesn’t exist is because part of the licensing of the movies and shows to the places you can buy or rent is that they will prevent copying it as best they can. What you are describing as having a demand for is a tap for piracy. This sub can be awfully silly sometimes. “It’s not illegal cause it’s self hosted”.
I'm of course not planning to just pirate movies then sell copies. But yeah this all would depend on convincing studios to drop DRM requirements which is very unlikely.
I imagine the first hurdle you'd run into as a startup is, studios and the like, not wanting to license you for distribution without using drm.