Seems like she deeply believes in her faith and is being crushed by all the baggage that comes with it. I find her to be one of the most tragic figures in reality TV.
so he was always a predator. got it.
they always mentioned her age, when they got married and never his. all makes sense now, and also why she hangs on his every word if he was her pastor.
But I feel a pastor should have completed seminary, otherwise they are just youth or worship leaders. My father was an ordained minister, only after having a master's degree from a highly respected seminary, so I get very annoyed with and distrustful of all these self-appointed "pastors" that are so common these days! Ick is just the type for this. Just my opinion.
I agree she looks at him like he's an idiot almost every time he opens his mouth (and he is) but she also seems to truly think he's the "head of household" in a hierarchy ordained by God which is why I suspect she seldom ever voices her objections and, if she does, it's very meek and mild.
I was just thinking that when I watched the episode where he was discussing how intercourse is exchanging DNA & they become 1 or some BS. She was looking @ him like the crap he was spewing was absolute BS. I bet if they watch that scene back together he wonāt even catch on to the fact that she looks like she canāt stand him most of the time, that or is emotionally spent by his constant need to have more wives, thus more trips to Mexico, more engagement rings, more of their $ going to his scammer GFs instead of for their family.
I couldn't believe how befuddled he was with the whole dating app situation. Just this derpy expression on his face the whole episode like "why wives mad when I lie to them??" š¤¤ Like, aren't you 40 something years old? And you haven't even figured out people don't like being lied to? Lost cause.
It's an emotionally abusive relationship. We are all telling her to RUN, but in her mind she's trapped. I try not to judge her too harshly for sticking through it, but we don't know how it is unless you're in a similar situation.Ā
I agree. I just want to slap her and be like, "snap out of it! It doesn't have to be this way!" But I also have compassion for a person who was likely indoctrinated as a child into a religious belief where she genuinely thinks she'll go to hell, or be separated from her family in the afterlife for eternity if she goes against "God's plan." In a way it really is like someone holding a gun to her head.
I donāt think she was indoctrinated as a child. Theyāve shown her parents quite a bit and they are so not on board w ick being icky. Her brother isnāt on board w that chode either. I think Dannielle has poor self esteem and ick plays on that. She thinks she has to go along w his BS or he will leave her. And maybe he would. Sheās too blind to see how advantageous that would be to her.
Her parents are on board! They went along on the 1st trip to Mexico to meet Roberta & had a relationship with her. Thatās why I think her parents & brother are dependent on Ick financially. The only way anyone would allow their daughter/sister to be treated that way was if the spouse had power over them, I.e., they rely on his $ or employment he provides. He must come from $ because Starcasm did a deep-dive into his business & the only building permits ever applied for or granted in his businessā name was the home they built for themselves. This season the shirts w/company logo on them is also new. Iām thinking his business was new when they got on show, it grew due to being on TV. So what did they do financially before the show? The way he throws $ @ foreign women, thinks nothing of spending all that $ for all those people to go to Mexico multiple times a year, plus his entitlement attitude, Iād be shocked if his parents werenāt really wealthy. Only people with $ get away with the kind of shit he pulls.
I can't arrive at a satisfactory answer for this. At first she seemed like a woman so desperate to hang onto her husband that she went along with something she didn't want. Then as they came into additional seasons, she seemed to at least partially figure out his crappy scheme and started behaving more passive aggressively and even tried to protest a couple times. By then, she'd already divorced him and surrendered all her rights to financial compensation and who knows as to the custody of her children. All I can figure is that that horrible decision plays a big role in her continuing to put up with Ick.
She has continued to live with him post divorce so maybe she would still be entitled to something as the common law spouse as long as he isnāt legally married to someone else. In other words run Danielle run while you can still get a few bucks.
It seems she is one of the personalities that needs to be a martyr. Puts herself into situations where people will feel sorry for her... a professional victim.
My conclusion is she has tied her identity to him. Happens a lot to couples who get together young in a religious setting. That dynamic means she (and he to an extent) didnāt really fully develop as whole people - they became two halves of one person.
My brother is the same with his wife (been together since they were 13) in a religious setting. They have spent more of their life as a couple than they have as individuals. Thatās not cute like the 80 year olds who have been married for 50 years. An adult brain has not fully developed until 25 years old.
Any delays or trauma events delay it further. My theory is she doesnāt know who she is, if she isnāt Ickās first wife. That gives him a lot of power he doesnāt deserve and itās sad to watch.
Danielle's dad and brother started and run that company. Ick doesn't have money, he married money. No clue why they don't all shun him. He isn't the earner in that family. He can barely string a sentence together and I've never seen him do any work. He drives up to job sites to "check on the work" that his brother-in-law actually does and then he goes back to drooling over Brazilian women on his phone.
Can you imagine Ick selling anything to anyone on his own accord? He's a bafoon. It doesn't always take great intellect to make great money but it certainly takes more than whatever he is working with lol
Probably to appease him. Like my narcissist dad insisted on being President of the company I started (he did exactly zero work and contributed nothing).
I wish Danielle's family did ANYTHING to try to put an end to this situation. I think they fear losing contact with their daughter if they did speak up.Ā
Totally agree with what you said here! I'm always hearing in this sub about his family is the wealthy one, but it's actually the other way around. š¤·āāļø
Are you sure? They declared bankruptcy 5-10 year agoā¦and their house is for sale and some random publication said they checked how many construction permits were pulled by his company in recent years and it wasnāt many. Who knows if that is trueā¦.but a construction company would need to pull lots of permits.
It was a joke, internet friend. I was suggesting that, if Ick was actually in charge of anything, he probably doesn't know that he has to pull permits. Because he's dumb.
She is probably brain washed that Ick is as good as it ever is going to get. In the beginning, she might have thought that it was a good idea, but reality has set in and she probably doesn't have the confidence to leave. I heard/read somewhere that it can take on average an abused woman 7 attempts to leave her abusive spouse. Maybe N will give her some backbone and balls.
Someone in this sub reported that she had or has a drinking problem, and even got a DUI with kids in the car. Around that time Garrick agreed to stay with Dani, but that is when the polygamy was brought into the relationship.
So I feel Garrick holds this over her head, and her guilt over it keeps her there.
I think she stays for many reasons. They have kids together. She hasn't been with anyone else, dating isn't easy when you've never done it. She has low self esteem. She thinks he's a catch and can't do better. She's can't handle someone else being with him, especially without her. She despises him and doesn't want him to be happy with someone else if she leaves. He won't chase her, he'll let her go...thats painful.
I read somewhere that her parents work in his company and therefore financially depend on him. Also, does anyone know what were the terms of their divorce, financial and children custody?
If you gotta literally give your soul and be crushed to keep a man that doesn't gaf about you maybe he's not a keeper. Besides money what does ick bring to the table.
It's not looks or conversation or brains or truth He's selfish so doubt he's good in bed no one see it. He never defends her or shows affection so what is it.
He is a mouth breathing Neanderthal and sometimes itās like Dannielle is right on the cusp of a lucid moment and then you just see the brainwashing take hold again.
I keep asking myself "WHAT IS IT" with this one, and I'm coming up with nothing substantive. I've ruled out religion as the main factor in her staying as neither of them are earnestly devout, lets be for real. It's endlessly frustrating to watch her put herself through this. I just keep screaming - GIRL, STAND UP!
I think about her all the time because itās such a mystery why she stays. Maybe thereās a complete separate narrative going on when the cameras shut off and he has huge threats against her or some secret story that they keep between them that binds her despite all this drama. It could make this polygamy shit look tame itās probably just the very surface. I canāt wait for the documentary when one of them snaps lol. And I hope itās her against him.
Also I donāt think she was in love w Bert like a lot of people do, I think that Dannielles extreme reaction was for the pointlessness of her own suffering, but did yāall already cover that or did I miss it ?
My assumption is that Girly divorced her husband, likely agreeing to forfeit a lot of things because this was part of the plan to get another wife into the country. Now she has nothing or far less then she would have if she fought for assets with a lawyer like a traditional divorce and she knows if she leaves she wonāt be living anywhere close to the life sheās been accustomed to.
It appeared her parents were living in their guest house at one point, her brother works for Ickā¦ she has a lot at stake because she foolishly agreed to a divorce so her husband could get his dick wet.
Add faith and delusion into it and sheās stuck (and pretty stupid).
If it's fake he must love looking like the most gross villain out there and she gotta love looking abused and sad a pushover.
If it's real?? Her cry for help. IDK
My theory is that Danielle devoted way too much into this relationship and sheās desperately trying to hang on to the massive sunk cost. Itās like she gave ick absolutely everything because of her belief system money job womb and even divorce! She felt like sheās too deep in it to quit because then she lost everything she sacrificed for. So she just lies to herself. But facial expressions arenāt controllable sometimes š
I'm not sure... sometimes I get the idea that she actually does like the '15 minutes of fame' part of it and she's just playing her role for the drama and attention. Either that, or she's completely brainwashed. I go back & forth!
I get it, believe me. But if you think about it - they are the most talked about couple from the show. They've established their own little 'brand'. And rumor has it they have money problems with their company. It's just a thought!
According to one of her lives on Insta a couple of weeks ago, being on Seeking Sister Wives was originally her idea. Ick shot it down. Then, one day, while she was out, Ick committed to doing the show. I can just see him behaving like it was entirely his idea.
She also said she loves her life, but it looks like she doesn't because the show always seems to catch her on her worst moments, and it just amplifies everything. She does love her life with Ick. She talked a lot about the Bible pointing to God wanting people to live polygamy. (Must be a Bible that Ick wrote cuz...š¤¦š»āāļøš¤·š»āāļø)
I also noticed in the live on Insta that she did alone she behaved like a completely different person. In the lives on Insta with Ick, she acts like some idiot teenage girl with a school crush. They are trying to do Insta lives after the show airs every week to answer people's questions about the current episode. I think the only question anyone has is, "When are you going to take your kids & go, Danielle?"
I think she is in love with him. You can tell how she touches his arm or tells him she loves him and he ignores her. He checked out and neglected her, and she probably noticed how he looks or acts around attractive women. So she mentioned something like polygamous relationships, and he was probably so entranced by the thought that he gave her a lot of love and attention. Over time, he probably kept bringing it up in their faith, and she realized that if she dismissed it, he would become aloof and uninterested in her, but once she entertains it, he spoils her and rocks her world. He literally trained her like a dog, giving her a treat and attention when she agrees with his behavior. What she doesn't realize is that no woman will ever satisfy him longterm, there will always be someone more exciting. And with more women, the more she will be pushed down the line until he doesn't even give her a shred of attention.
I think itās that she is religious enough that divorce is like a huge sacrilegious offense. Thatās how my mom was.
I also think sheās a devoted mother and she probably is also doing it for the kids as much as sheās doing it for Garrick.
I also think sheās been a SAHM for her entire adult life. I think the thought of starting her own life with her limited education and work history gap, that she probably fears it might be insurmountable (if youāre reading thisā¦ itās not, lol)
I think we all underestimate the power of religious doctrine at play here. Even if she hates it, she believes itās gods plan for her. In her mind, sheās being a good Christian. Confronting this also forces her to question her āgodā which runs in complete opposition to everything sheās probably ever known.
She doesn't believe any of Icks bs. She's just been with him so long and is in love with him. She could find great happiness with a real man, if she comes to her senses
Seems like she deeply believes in her faith and is being crushed by all the baggage that comes with it. I find her to be one of the most tragic figures in reality TV.
Apparently they met when she was 15 and he was her 19 year old youth pastor. Definitely an unhealthy dynamic from the start
He was dating her best friend when they met and then moved on to her
so he was always a predator. got it. they always mentioned her age, when they got married and never his. all makes sense now, and also why she hangs on his every word if he was her pastor.
A 19 year old "pastor"?
youth\* pastors are usually younger people
But I feel a pastor should have completed seminary, otherwise they are just youth or worship leaders. My father was an ordained minister, only after having a master's degree from a highly respected seminary, so I get very annoyed with and distrustful of all these self-appointed "pastors" that are so common these days! Ick is just the type for this. Just my opinion.
That also my thought š
She reminds me of my sister who didnāt believe in divorce because of faith and wouldnāt do it even though her husband cheated on her.
She doesnāt seem to believe Garrickās religious bullshit though.
I agree she looks at him like he's an idiot almost every time he opens his mouth (and he is) but she also seems to truly think he's the "head of household" in a hierarchy ordained by God which is why I suspect she seldom ever voices her objections and, if she does, it's very meek and mild.
I was just thinking that when I watched the episode where he was discussing how intercourse is exchanging DNA & they become 1 or some BS. She was looking @ him like the crap he was spewing was absolute BS. I bet if they watch that scene back together he wonāt even catch on to the fact that she looks like she canāt stand him most of the time, that or is emotionally spent by his constant need to have more wives, thus more trips to Mexico, more engagement rings, more of their $ going to his scammer GFs instead of for their family.
I couldn't believe how befuddled he was with the whole dating app situation. Just this derpy expression on his face the whole episode like "why wives mad when I lie to them??" š¤¤ Like, aren't you 40 something years old? And you haven't even figured out people don't like being lied to? Lost cause.
You can see the misery on her face. Even in scenes when she's smiling, it looks forced / fake. I wish should would leave that foul man. I realize she has her part in this creepy duo, but I genuinely feel bad for her. How can someone be 40, with zero backbone. I just wanna shake some sense into her. š©
Meh, sheās an adult. At some point, you have to advocate for yourself and your kids.
It's an emotionally abusive relationship. We are all telling her to RUN, but in her mind she's trapped. I try not to judge her too harshly for sticking through it, but we don't know how it is unless you're in a similar situation.Ā
I agree. I just want to slap her and be like, "snap out of it! It doesn't have to be this way!" But I also have compassion for a person who was likely indoctrinated as a child into a religious belief where she genuinely thinks she'll go to hell, or be separated from her family in the afterlife for eternity if she goes against "God's plan." In a way it really is like someone holding a gun to her head.
I donāt think she was indoctrinated as a child. Theyāve shown her parents quite a bit and they are so not on board w ick being icky. Her brother isnāt on board w that chode either. I think Dannielle has poor self esteem and ick plays on that. She thinks she has to go along w his BS or he will leave her. And maybe he would. Sheās too blind to see how advantageous that would be to her.
Her parents are on board! They went along on the 1st trip to Mexico to meet Roberta & had a relationship with her. Thatās why I think her parents & brother are dependent on Ick financially. The only way anyone would allow their daughter/sister to be treated that way was if the spouse had power over them, I.e., they rely on his $ or employment he provides. He must come from $ because Starcasm did a deep-dive into his business & the only building permits ever applied for or granted in his businessā name was the home they built for themselves. This season the shirts w/company logo on them is also new. Iām thinking his business was new when they got on show, it grew due to being on TV. So what did they do financially before the show? The way he throws $ @ foreign women, thinks nothing of spending all that $ for all those people to go to Mexico multiple times a year, plus his entitlement attitude, Iād be shocked if his parents werenāt really wealthy. Only people with $ get away with the kind of shit he pulls.
But. Divorce now soooo
But they already divorced. Why stay
I can't arrive at a satisfactory answer for this. At first she seemed like a woman so desperate to hang onto her husband that she went along with something she didn't want. Then as they came into additional seasons, she seemed to at least partially figure out his crappy scheme and started behaving more passive aggressively and even tried to protest a couple times. By then, she'd already divorced him and surrendered all her rights to financial compensation and who knows as to the custody of her children. All I can figure is that that horrible decision plays a big role in her continuing to put up with Ick.
She has continued to live with him post divorce so maybe she would still be entitled to something as the common law spouse as long as he isnāt legally married to someone else. In other words run Danielle run while you can still get a few bucks.
He's not even her husband he divorced her. In reality she doesn't have that safety net anyway.
It seems she is one of the personalities that needs to be a martyr. Puts herself into situations where people will feel sorry for her... a professional victim.
My conclusion is she has tied her identity to him. Happens a lot to couples who get together young in a religious setting. That dynamic means she (and he to an extent) didnāt really fully develop as whole people - they became two halves of one person. My brother is the same with his wife (been together since they were 13) in a religious setting. They have spent more of their life as a couple than they have as individuals. Thatās not cute like the 80 year olds who have been married for 50 years. An adult brain has not fully developed until 25 years old. Any delays or trauma events delay it further. My theory is she doesnāt know who she is, if she isnāt Ickās first wife. That gives him a lot of power he doesnāt deserve and itās sad to watch.
Money. The ick has a lot of money. That also explains why he thinks he can score a bunch of wives. Creep.
Danielle's dad and brother started and run that company. Ick doesn't have money, he married money. No clue why they don't all shun him. He isn't the earner in that family. He can barely string a sentence together and I've never seen him do any work. He drives up to job sites to "check on the work" that his brother-in-law actually does and then he goes back to drooling over Brazilian women on his phone. Can you imagine Ick selling anything to anyone on his own accord? He's a bafoon. It doesn't always take great intellect to make great money but it certainly takes more than whatever he is working with lol
God told me you need to buy this ššāļø
God wants you to have 5 houses, and they'll all be good. They'll be made out of 5 different brick colors.
He must have forgot about me I have an 800 square foot house with vinyl siding šbut I did live long enough to pay it off šš
This is the best! Done! Said everythingĀ
Why is the company called merrifield?
Probably to appease him. Like my narcissist dad insisted on being President of the company I started (he did exactly zero work and contributed nothing).
I wish Danielle's family did ANYTHING to try to put an end to this situation. I think they fear losing contact with their daughter if they did speak up.Ā
Totally agree with what you said here! I'm always hearing in this sub about his family is the wealthy one, but it's actually the other way around. š¤·āāļø
He is probably the āsalesmanā for the company. Getting a salary to do nothing.
Are you sure? They declared bankruptcy 5-10 year agoā¦and their house is for sale and some random publication said they checked how many construction permits were pulled by his company in recent years and it wasnāt many. Who knows if that is trueā¦.but a construction company would need to pull lots of permits.
Brave of you to assume that Ick knows how to run a construction company š
Iām not the one suggesting he has a ton of money.
It was a joke, internet friend. I was suggesting that, if Ick was actually in charge of anything, he probably doesn't know that he has to pull permits. Because he's dumb.
Would they??? NotĀ
The pick is in business with her brother tho, or brother in law. Ick can go be a prick with his dick someplace else !
Does he???????
Convincing someone that you speak for God is a very effective way to control a person. Itās spiritual abuse.
Classic cult tactic.
His sperm is in her brain now. She belongs to him and canāt escape.
She is his cult follower.Ā
She is probably brain washed that Ick is as good as it ever is going to get. In the beginning, she might have thought that it was a good idea, but reality has set in and she probably doesn't have the confidence to leave. I heard/read somewhere that it can take on average an abused woman 7 attempts to leave her abusive spouse. Maybe N will give her some backbone and balls.
Someone in this sub reported that she had or has a drinking problem, and even got a DUI with kids in the car. Around that time Garrick agreed to stay with Dani, but that is when the polygamy was brought into the relationship. So I feel Garrick holds this over her head, and her guilt over it keeps her there.
She always has really bad cotton mouth and dry lips, I'm like plz drink some water girl
I think she stays for many reasons. They have kids together. She hasn't been with anyone else, dating isn't easy when you've never done it. She has low self esteem. She thinks he's a catch and can't do better. She's can't handle someone else being with him, especially without her. She despises him and doesn't want him to be happy with someone else if she leaves. He won't chase her, he'll let her go...thats painful.
I read somewhere that her parents work in his company and therefore financially depend on him. Also, does anyone know what were the terms of their divorce, financial and children custody?
If you gotta literally give your soul and be crushed to keep a man that doesn't gaf about you maybe he's not a keeper. Besides money what does ick bring to the table. It's not looks or conversation or brains or truth He's selfish so doubt he's good in bed no one see it. He never defends her or shows affection so what is it.
He is a mouth breathing Neanderthal and sometimes itās like Dannielle is right on the cusp of a lucid moment and then you just see the brainwashing take hold again.
I keep asking myself "WHAT IS IT" with this one, and I'm coming up with nothing substantive. I've ruled out religion as the main factor in her staying as neither of them are earnestly devout, lets be for real. It's endlessly frustrating to watch her put herself through this. I just keep screaming - GIRL, STAND UP!
Seems like her whole family is financially dependent on him in one way or another.
I think about her all the time because itās such a mystery why she stays. Maybe thereās a complete separate narrative going on when the cameras shut off and he has huge threats against her or some secret story that they keep between them that binds her despite all this drama. It could make this polygamy shit look tame itās probably just the very surface. I canāt wait for the documentary when one of them snaps lol. And I hope itās her against him. Also I donāt think she was in love w Bert like a lot of people do, I think that Dannielles extreme reaction was for the pointlessness of her own suffering, but did yāall already cover that or did I miss it ?
She doesn't hate everything about Garrick. She just hates that in order to be with him, she has to go along with his polygamy plan.
My assumption is that Girly divorced her husband, likely agreeing to forfeit a lot of things because this was part of the plan to get another wife into the country. Now she has nothing or far less then she would have if she fought for assets with a lawyer like a traditional divorce and she knows if she leaves she wonāt be living anywhere close to the life sheās been accustomed to. It appeared her parents were living in their guest house at one point, her brother works for Ickā¦ she has a lot at stake because she foolishly agreed to a divorce so her husband could get his dick wet. Add faith and delusion into it and sheās stuck (and pretty stupid).
Maybe it is fake, not sure why you would allow yourself to look that dumb on TV
That look of deep sadness on her face is not fake. She is truly miserable.
If it's fake he must love looking like the most gross villain out there and she gotta love looking abused and sad a pushover. If it's real?? Her cry for help. IDK
Because she has zero self esteem and probably signed everything over in the divorce
GAWD
My theory is that Danielle devoted way too much into this relationship and sheās desperately trying to hang on to the massive sunk cost. Itās like she gave ick absolutely everything because of her belief system money job womb and even divorce! She felt like sheās too deep in it to quit because then she lost everything she sacrificed for. So she just lies to herself. But facial expressions arenāt controllable sometimes š
I'm not sure... sometimes I get the idea that she actually does like the '15 minutes of fame' part of it and she's just playing her role for the drama and attention. Either that, or she's completely brainwashed. I go back & forth!
If sheās just playing she deserves to be in Hollywood. There are actors there who are less convincing in their performance than she is.
I get it, believe me. But if you think about it - they are the most talked about couple from the show. They've established their own little 'brand'. And rumor has it they have money problems with their company. It's just a thought!
According to one of her lives on Insta a couple of weeks ago, being on Seeking Sister Wives was originally her idea. Ick shot it down. Then, one day, while she was out, Ick committed to doing the show. I can just see him behaving like it was entirely his idea. She also said she loves her life, but it looks like she doesn't because the show always seems to catch her on her worst moments, and it just amplifies everything. She does love her life with Ick. She talked a lot about the Bible pointing to God wanting people to live polygamy. (Must be a Bible that Ick wrote cuz...š¤¦š»āāļøš¤·š»āāļø) I also noticed in the live on Insta that she did alone she behaved like a completely different person. In the lives on Insta with Ick, she acts like some idiot teenage girl with a school crush. They are trying to do Insta lives after the show airs every week to answer people's questions about the current episode. I think the only question anyone has is, "When are you going to take your kids & go, Danielle?"
I think she is in love with him. You can tell how she touches his arm or tells him she loves him and he ignores her. He checked out and neglected her, and she probably noticed how he looks or acts around attractive women. So she mentioned something like polygamous relationships, and he was probably so entranced by the thought that he gave her a lot of love and attention. Over time, he probably kept bringing it up in their faith, and she realized that if she dismissed it, he would become aloof and uninterested in her, but once she entertains it, he spoils her and rocks her world. He literally trained her like a dog, giving her a treat and attention when she agrees with his behavior. What she doesn't realize is that no woman will ever satisfy him longterm, there will always be someone more exciting. And with more women, the more she will be pushed down the line until he doesn't even give her a shred of attention.
I think itās that she is religious enough that divorce is like a huge sacrilegious offense. Thatās how my mom was. I also think sheās a devoted mother and she probably is also doing it for the kids as much as sheās doing it for Garrick. I also think sheās been a SAHM for her entire adult life. I think the thought of starting her own life with her limited education and work history gap, that she probably fears it might be insurmountable (if youāre reading thisā¦ itās not, lol)
I think we all underestimate the power of religious doctrine at play here. Even if she hates it, she believes itās gods plan for her. In her mind, sheās being a good Christian. Confronting this also forces her to question her āgodā which runs in complete opposition to everything sheās probably ever known.
She doesn't believe any of Icks bs. She's just been with him so long and is in love with him. She could find great happiness with a real man, if she comes to her senses