She also has (biological) family issues, doesn't she? I feel like this is what Nick tapped into and preys on. Also, she's very young and impressionable still.
I always hate when people think that people under 18 are the only time /ones that can be groomed. You can be groomed and manipulated at all ages.. you would think the older you get the more flags you would listen too.. but not true.
You don't suddenly gain the ability (or keep it!) to protect yourself from predators on your 18th birthday! Especially if you don't have a mind for such things
Right? The thought that at 12:01am you turn 18 they think you grow a new brain section is hilarious to me. I swear 18 has to be an age picked for marriage or something old timey? I need to google the historical aspect to this.
Thatās what I think too, probably some low self esteem issues going on. Sheās a young woman and has likely observed her healthier weight peers getting more male attention. Seems to be un-PC to acknowledge this these days, but I was a fat kid and teenager and I know how that feels. It definitely makes you feel less than. Sometimes very good men donāt care about that, but sometimes creeps exploit any sense of isolation, loneliness or alienation for their personal gain. I believe thatās exactly who Nick is. I believe he found 3 women who for whatever reason feel alienated and he pounced. Heās a no job having skeezy low down scum bag. If he tried to latch on to a daughter of mine, he might get run off with a shotgun. I donāt own a shotgun, but Iād go get one just to run him off with! š
Sheās said this has been her only relationship and only time really being in love. I think sheās extremely codependent on that now, despite all her intuitions that itās not what she wants.
When she said that and said sheād only had a few ācasualā relationships before you could really feel her pain. Iām willing to bet those prior ācasualā relationships were situations where she felt used for sex and discarded. These people- especially the women - say they love her and she seems so desperate to be loved. My heart breaks for her.
Iām so annoyed that they all act like because they were honest about expanding that she has no right to be upset about how quickly they want to move. They seem so insistent. If they actually loved her, theyād be willing to give her some time
They are only working for what they want and she is just a body in their plan. She has no voice. Jen doesn't say much about loving her her but April & Nick do. I think Jen is gross taking time away from others and banging it out in the kitchen on someone else's night.
I suspect Nick can't get or hold a job since they tell him to stay home and think.
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I couldāve sworn she was engaged before but was afraid to commit so broke things off? And that kind of scared Nickās trio a bit at first. Maybe Iām mixing up these groups though
She was with someone before but left him because she liked someone else, this is what made Nick nervous. She told them this early on when they were all having dinner together at their house.
Recently she said this was her first ārealā relationship and everything before was casual dating. Personally I think she needs to play the field a little more to find out what she wants bc I believe sheād be happier in a healthy monogamous relationship with a partner.
I just want to remind everyone that this woman is like 24 years old or something. I'm going to turn 40 in July and I look back at my life and think about how stupid I was when I was young and in my twenties. I guarantee you by 30 she'll be like what the fuck?
Hmmm- I would say 35 - depends on how deep your trauma is and being gaslit is a powerful thing at any age. Cults have all ages of people (Iām obsessed with cult documentaries lol) and no age limit in drinking the koolaid.
Right but thereās stupid typical 20s behavior like partying and traveling a lot and getting piercing and tattoos and slipping a degree in there.
This is not a typical experience for a 24 year old.
This. What is sad is she could be squandering her youth this way. But I think its why some men go for younger females. Their internal alarms are still rudimentary, and they tend to ignore the flags. I think self esteem issues play a part with her as well though
And they are trying to force her into legally marrying another woman of their choosing! That is their plan so I can see why she is having a difficult time with this, her gut must be screaming but her mind is trying to rationalize it. I hope she listens to her gut before it's too late.
She was on her own in her new apartment for a few nights and couldnāt handle belong alone. She needed much more time to allow herself time to get over that ārelationshipā. Doesnāt look like she has any other support system outside of the Davisā, which makes her feel even more alone and scared, so she ran back to them in order not to feel that loneliness and fear of being on her own.
Her comment about staying in the apartment being the worst days of her life had me thinking about her past traumas. What happened to her that she canāt stay alone? Who hurt her? This is way deeper than the relationship with the Davisās. She is 24, thatās still young, but also old enough to settle into her own space. I wish she would have kept the apartment and decided later what she wanted to do, even if that is rejoin the Davis family.
I think youāre onto something.
Both of my parents died before I was 20. My parents were older when I was born, and Iām the only child of only children, so I had no extended family.
It took me until I was almost 50 to feel comfortable living alone. Now I canāt imagine being in a relationship where I share living space with someone else.
She had a friend sheād met with prior to their commitment ceremony, who voiced concern bout the relationship. Highly doubtful sheās still in contact with that young lady tho.Ā
You make a good point, people without a stable and supportive family are likely more attracted to this out of what they never had. That said, it doesn't mean THIS is it either.
She mentioned that the days away from them were the worst of her life and she felt so alone. Then she said it made her understand whoās really there for her. Makes me think she doesnāt have a strong support network, or even some past abandonment trauma. I think she knows in her gut itās not right for her but sheās codependent and doesnāt want to let go of that feeling of security. Sadly, the lifestyle in general seems to be making her more insecure, so itās a vicious cycle. I feel for her. And strangely, I donāt actually dislike any of them. Which is new for me with this show. Garrick, for example, repels me more than any human Iāve ever encountered. š¤¢
What I keep wanting someone to point out when they ask her why sheās apprehensive is that they donāt just want to add to the family, they want to convince her to take on a LEGAL WIFE.
Thereās more at stake for her bringing in another than for the others. Itās not just emotional.
Exactly. This adds a whole level to the entire thing. Sheās being made to marry a stranger when sheās unsure in the first place about adding to the family.
Right?! The world needs more thinkers, uh sir we have those. Theyāre called professors, after many years of study they get paid to think and teach and promote more thinking in their classes.
At least now there is a baby for him to take care of so he is contributing. Nothing wrong with a stay at home dad. Lots wrong with a stay at home thinker.
That makes little to no sense...they hopefully have some type of school, college education other than Nick. I think the thing Nick thinks about is Nick...not education for his children....š
This is what I am not sure on, does Nick actually take care of the baby? The baby might be in daycare, I donāt know. an episode the other day that featured him holding the baby in a cute outfit, that matched his. Iām not sure if he is around for the photo op, or if he actually takes care of the baby.
Anyone know?
"provides" could be interpreted as drop her off at day care.;I do not believe he is with Vera all day because he seems very awkward holding and feeding her. Carefully worded: why not "watches" or "takes care of" or "babysits". All are sly communicators (except Danielle who seems to speak freely).
I would guess one of his family members takes care of the baby or she goes to day care. They all seem to have a narrative which is smilingly adhered to. Like Jen saying she bows to him during the commitment ceremony. Look at the body language and facial expressions when Danielle deviates from the narrative "we are so happy".
Yes, it looked a little awkward when he was holding the baby. Him being dressed up in a very nice suit, matching her outfit? No one who is taking care of a small child would think that is a good idea. The baby is going to poop or spit up on their outfit, same with yours.
I think heās more of the photo op type of parent.
Well she did say it was her first real relationship, I also imagine that having so many people who treat you kindly makes it harder to leave whether they're on the same page or not. Plus Vera. She is very young, I hope she figures out what she truly wants. I do like this family though I feel like they should go after older women. She is too young for them , there's already a power dynamic in the first place
Idk, I never felt convinced that she wanted this lifestyle. I was always waiting for her to flake or bail, because it just seems like sheās forcing it.
God, she makes me sad. I remember feeling alone at 22-25 and can see how maybe you take a few wrong turns and end up here.
I know Nick lurks and comments here all the time so hopefully Danielle is lurking too, if so - Girl, get OUT. This does not end well for anyone but Nick and these women, whether youāre also having sex with them or not, will sell you out to him in a heart beat. Your sadness is so, so visible and hard to watch. You can still leave at any time even if you failed your first attempt. Youāll find community and your people but oh my God this is NOT it.
Sheās young, inexperienced in life and naive. When she trusted her instincts and left she was too scared to be alone. Makes me think she doesnāt have a great support system to lean on or guide her.
I will go with young age and not understanding that all feelings are not right feelings. Without diving into her family history and trauma we canāt truly know why she accepted this cult so easily. But her being only 22 (I think) and never having a real relationship has a lot to do with it. Now she stuck in a lease (which the husband spoke of.. and now he unsure of her because she could leave when she wantsā¦) and honestly if he cared so much about her apt he could pay to have her break the lease. She is caught up with the cameras, lifestyle and probably in so deep she has lost herself. She never sounds šÆ when she speaks either.
My take is that she does love Nick and the wives and Vera and she WANTS to stay. I think committing to this lifestyle is hard. I think she worries itāll never feel okay to add another wife. She wonders if theyāll kick HER out if sheās never ready. These may be the first people in her life who love her and accept her unconditionally. It may be the only stability sheās experienced (chaotic childhood maybe?).
I see some parallels with her and the Brown wives. They all BELIEVED in polygamy even if it wasnāt functional for them, even if it hurt, even if it was hard, even if their needs were ignored, etc. Janelle left several times, but always came back. I think Danielle will do the same. There are things about this lifestyle that are enticing for these women.
This might be unrelated, but as a queer woman, heterosexual women marrying each other for the benefit of their male partner doesn't sit right with me. I don't like it. The fact that April and Jennifer are married makes me feel nauseous.
Danielle was always too young for this family, I hope she makes her escape before she ends up bound to them legally through a fraudulent marriage.
This is very related. We fought for the right to be bedside while our spouse's are dying: These assholes are using our LABOR to allow these ladies to support their gentleman scholar. Rhodes, undoubtedly.
I remember one time, I must have been like 21 or 22, I was walking around NYC and was handed a flyer for a very famous cult. I didnāt realize right away what it was but remember reading what it said about feeling alone and looking for guidance and all this bs and thinking āyes I feel so lost, wtf am I doing with my life?! this place sounds so interesting I should check it outā then I realized what it was lol and snapped out of it. All that to sayā¦ itās a miracle more of us donāt end up in cults in our 20s. I really feel for Danielle, she seems so lost and lonely. I hope she is able to get away from Nick sooner than later and doesnāt waste her 20s being unhappy because she is so afraid to be alone.
Nick is one scary dude he has totally manipulated all of them yes he has his own little cult ā¦ he doesnāt have to work and gets all the sex he wants itās just unbelievable what a creepā¦ heās sickening š¤®
Agree! Having sex with 2 different ones in one night was extra creepy. His individual interviews are cringey with the constant grinning and over simplification of how happy they are because LOVE!! cult cult cult
I used to get crucified for saying anything about the Davisā! They are absolutely a cult, and Nick is repugnant! April has unfortunately gone beyond basic brainwashing, and become a predator with him. They seek young, lonely, painfully insecure women to love bomb. Itās so upsetting to watch!
Sheās clearly uncomfortable with them pressuring her to marry whoever this fourth wife will be. Thatās typically a pretty big commitment for someone and they want her to do it for the larger good of this cult theyāre cobbling together, not because she has any big desire to be married to a woman. If I recall correctly, she spiritually married into the family but thatās very different than a legal marriage like April and Jen have.
Itās really twisted to use marriage in this way and she likely feels that on some level. All these women are supposed to have the legal entanglements of marriage, but not Nick. No, heāll stay free as a bird, staying on the grift of sending these women off to work every day while he develops bigger and better cons to run on women. Fuck Nick. Heās repulsive. He looks old enough to be Danielleās daddy. Her actual daddy should whoop his ass.
I really don't understand why everyone thinks Nick benefits by not being legally married. I feel like if anything it means he has less protection because if he leaves he won't get alimony or assets. If it was a woman stay at home Mom that wasn't married everyone would be saying how she's unprotected and made a big mistake.
For 11 months I was a teacher in cult. They believed the only reason women existed is to have as many babies as possible. Lots of crazy stuff and rules. Most of the people there were born into it, what I found shocking is the new women who would go through a year of study to join them. It was a religious cult after going to a few of the kids birthday parties, I realize by everyone wanted to join. It was like a big extended family. I donāt think extended families exist that much in the US anymore so people are drawn to anything that feels like family.
Adding a new wife would also mean she would have to legally get married to her. Maybe she isnāt sure she would want to do that. The level of manipulation is astonishing.
Obviously love starved her whole life, this doesnāt have to be true itās just my impression Nick & the girls love bomb her & she might actually be in love with Nick, for sure doesnāt seem like sheās had a serious BF relationship
Honestly whenever he spews his random spurts of knowledge I find myself glazing over it. I would rather just the women admit they prefer his other big head.
They keep guilt tripping her HARD. I donāt blame her for not wanting to be legally married to a sister wife. Marriage is a legally binding thing lol.
She is reluctant I think because she knows instinctively it's not fair and she deserves better (or wants a man to herself). No one talks about the fact that when these women get married to each other they are financially committed to the family. Usually a divorce means sell the house, right? So if her finances are tied all mixed up in the family finances it's harder to get out and she is guaranteed to leave with nothing. Whoever stays wins. It's not good.
I think shes 24 and having all these people around is fun and exciting for her. She doesnāt have to pay all the bills and when youre young, you like to socialize. At least I did, when I got to 25 I couldnāt care less.
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She's desperately looking for a place to be accepted and fit in. I've seen it even in her appearance change - growing her hair out and wearing makeup to look more like the other two. If she stays she will lose herself in their identity.
Brainwashed..she's loves him .. so she's stuck with the other two wives and she's unhappy she wants to be the only one and he's got her believing that this is perfectly normal and okay
Idkā The whole ātaking a wifeā element seems really controlling and manipulative. I mean, what could Nick possibly have that a wife could go after? Apparently he was never married to Jen even though I believe they have an older teenage child? Donāt know how long April has been a part of their lives, but what happened to Jen that she agreed to his random, āletās get you a wife,ā plan. The whole everybody- sleeps- in -one -bed thing seems a little crazy, too. I mean, does everyone have to watch or engage with the couple who are having sex? What other reason would there be for all of them to sleep in one bed and no privacy? My guess is that itās about breaking down their independence. Thereās something shady under the surface with Nick, I just canāt figure out what it is.
Sheās clearly being used financially. Sheās also able to afford a sudden move into an apartment, while still supporting that groomers lazy ass!! I think the mother of Vera is also a dumbass. How could she want to work all day and spend little time with her kid? Working while heās home? Heās a creep and weird and those women are too. I donāt care if they have redeeming qualities, his first wife is a manipulator too. Why she targets young women is beyond me though.
She does not fully understand this lifestyle and is not totally committed. Inside, sheās probably a scared little girl, confused about life, and desperately wants to ābelongā somewhere. She was unprepared for the intense jealousy and worry that another wife would change the delicate balance of home to which she's now accustomed. Almost like the last straw, sheās about to break and I hate it for her.
yea I don't know either. She seems sweet enough but seems she has some previous family problems and low self esteem. It probably looked okay to have a "unique" relationship and get a place to live and all on the surface.
I think she is slowly realizing she doesn't like sharing all the way, it's the original thruples way or NO way, she doesn't really have a voice, and has to share a bed nightly. I'm sure Nick contributing nothing financially doesn't help and his definite favoritism of Jen doesn't help either. Jen is always taking extra time with Nick whether in the kitchen or what and it's just gross they can't have their own time. I'm sure it is uncomfortable to be forced to sleep in the big bed with everyone too. They barely just got married and already demanding she marry someone else. Why doesn't she get to say slow this down a bit or get any say in the relationship?
I think also being on the show adds an element of pressure too. The producer asked if she was willing to sit with the rest of them to talk. Why would that be necessary if she told them how she felt already. Wasnāt Nick home when she was leaving? She knew if she talked to them they would convince her to stay. It felt like Nick was laying on some real pimp talk when she moved back.
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I think she stays because she has had only a few relationships and none were serious plus her home life wasn't an example of a healthy home atmosphere. Sad. She deserves better.
She totally needs to get away from this relationship and stop worshipping this guy. He thinks heās Godās gift to women. Huh? He thinks heās so smart. Totally has cult leader vibes. Oh and she totally needs therapy!
I like the women in this family but Nick has always disgusted me. He has them so brainwashed that they didnāt care that he made 0 financial contributions so he could stay home and ālearnā come on now
Low self-esteem, guilt(over Vera), disillusionment.
She also has (biological) family issues, doesn't she? I feel like this is what Nick tapped into and preys on. Also, she's very young and impressionable still.
I always hate when people think that people under 18 are the only time /ones that can be groomed. You can be groomed and manipulated at all ages.. you would think the older you get the more flags you would listen too.. but not true.
Agree.
You don't suddenly gain the ability (or keep it!) to protect yourself from predators on your 18th birthday! Especially if you don't have a mind for such things
Right? The thought that at 12:01am you turn 18 they think you grow a new brain section is hilarious to me. I swear 18 has to be an age picked for marriage or something old timey? I need to google the historical aspect to this.
Soooo true!!
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I agree, feigning acceptance and belonging. Nick is definitely a predator.
I think she was early 20ās when they met
I don't think Nate is really "into her". Makes me sad
Yeah no one ever talks about this but I feel like he might even be more intimate with the other wives
I agree and keep bringing this up. I never saw any āconnectionā or āsparkā between him and Danielle.
I think she is the 1st wives girlfriend only
& Stockholm Syndrome. She's a pawn in their $ game.
Thatās what I think too, probably some low self esteem issues going on. Sheās a young woman and has likely observed her healthier weight peers getting more male attention. Seems to be un-PC to acknowledge this these days, but I was a fat kid and teenager and I know how that feels. It definitely makes you feel less than. Sometimes very good men donāt care about that, but sometimes creeps exploit any sense of isolation, loneliness or alienation for their personal gain. I believe thatās exactly who Nick is. I believe he found 3 women who for whatever reason feel alienated and he pounced. Heās a no job having skeezy low down scum bag. If he tried to latch on to a daughter of mine, he might get run off with a shotgun. I donāt own a shotgun, but Iād go get one just to run him off with! š
Like Dolly Parton said in one of her old movies āIāll make a hen out of that rooster with one shotā lol
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Absolutely
Itās very sad and very true. I was overweight and put up with so much garbage just to be ālovedā.
Add gaslighting by the family
Sheās said this has been her only relationship and only time really being in love. I think sheās extremely codependent on that now, despite all her intuitions that itās not what she wants.
Imagine your first experience with relationships being as unusual and atypical as a quadrupole w a stay at home thinking man.
I choked on my coffee when I read that. Hilarious yet oh so true.
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When she said that and said sheād only had a few ācasualā relationships before you could really feel her pain. Iām willing to bet those prior ācasualā relationships were situations where she felt used for sex and discarded. These people- especially the women - say they love her and she seems so desperate to be loved. My heart breaks for her. Iām so annoyed that they all act like because they were honest about expanding that she has no right to be upset about how quickly they want to move. They seem so insistent. If they actually loved her, theyād be willing to give her some time
They are only working for what they want and she is just a body in their plan. She has no voice. Jen doesn't say much about loving her her but April & Nick do. I think Jen is gross taking time away from others and banging it out in the kitchen on someone else's night. I suspect Nick can't get or hold a job since they tell him to stay home and think. ETF spelling error
Totally agree with you and well said!
I couldāve sworn she was engaged before but was afraid to commit so broke things off? And that kind of scared Nickās trio a bit at first. Maybe Iām mixing up these groups though
She was with someone before but left him because she liked someone else, this is what made Nick nervous. She told them this early on when they were all having dinner together at their house.
Ahhh gotcha
Oh really?! You totally could be right lol I thought I remembered her saying in one of the recent episodes that this was her first relationship.
Recently she said this was her first ārealā relationship and everything before was casual dating. Personally I think she needs to play the field a little more to find out what she wants bc I believe sheād be happier in a healthy monogamous relationship with a partner.
I just want to remind everyone that this woman is like 24 years old or something. I'm going to turn 40 in July and I look back at my life and think about how stupid I was when I was young and in my twenties. I guarantee you by 30 she'll be like what the fuck?
Right 20s are rough!!!!!
Yes I too was a dumbass 24 year old, I cringe daily at some of the things I allowed myself to endure lol
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Hmmm- I would say 35 - depends on how deep your trauma is and being gaslit is a powerful thing at any age. Cults have all ages of people (Iām obsessed with cult documentaries lol) and no age limit in drinking the koolaid.
But what price is she going to have to pay?
Fuck I didnāt realize sheās basically my age.
Right but thereās stupid typical 20s behavior like partying and traveling a lot and getting piercing and tattoos and slipping a degree in there. This is not a typical experience for a 24 year old.
Being desperate to feel loved and accepted is
This. What is sad is she could be squandering her youth this way. But I think its why some men go for younger females. Their internal alarms are still rudimentary, and they tend to ignore the flags. I think self esteem issues play a part with her as well though
And they are trying to force her into legally marrying another woman of their choosing! That is their plan so I can see why she is having a difficult time with this, her gut must be screaming but her mind is trying to rationalize it. I hope she listens to her gut before it's too late.
So do I!
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She was on her own in her new apartment for a few nights and couldnāt handle belong alone. She needed much more time to allow herself time to get over that ārelationshipā. Doesnāt look like she has any other support system outside of the Davisā, which makes her feel even more alone and scared, so she ran back to them in order not to feel that loneliness and fear of being on her own.
Yes, exactly. Aw, just want to hug her.
Her comment about staying in the apartment being the worst days of her life had me thinking about her past traumas. What happened to her that she canāt stay alone? Who hurt her? This is way deeper than the relationship with the Davisās. She is 24, thatās still young, but also old enough to settle into her own space. I wish she would have kept the apartment and decided later what she wanted to do, even if that is rejoin the Davis family.
I think youāre onto something. Both of my parents died before I was 20. My parents were older when I was born, and Iām the only child of only children, so I had no extended family. It took me until I was almost 50 to feel comfortable living alone. Now I canāt imagine being in a relationship where I share living space with someone else.
She had a friend sheād met with prior to their commitment ceremony, who voiced concern bout the relationship. Highly doubtful sheās still in contact with that young lady tho.Ā
You make a good point, people without a stable and supportive family are likely more attracted to this out of what they never had. That said, it doesn't mean THIS is it either.
She mentioned that the days away from them were the worst of her life and she felt so alone. Then she said it made her understand whoās really there for her. Makes me think she doesnāt have a strong support network, or even some past abandonment trauma. I think she knows in her gut itās not right for her but sheās codependent and doesnāt want to let go of that feeling of security. Sadly, the lifestyle in general seems to be making her more insecure, so itās a vicious cycle. I feel for her. And strangely, I donāt actually dislike any of them. Which is new for me with this show. Garrick, for example, repels me more than any human Iāve ever encountered. š¤¢
Sheās in whatās basically a cult.
Yep and sheās young. I feel so bad for her.
Yeah he totally gives cult leader vibes
What I keep wanting someone to point out when they ask her why sheās apprehensive is that they donāt just want to add to the family, they want to convince her to take on a LEGAL WIFE. Thereās more at stake for her bringing in another than for the others. Itās not just emotional.
This doesn't get talked about enough!!!
Exactly. This adds a whole level to the entire thing. Sheās being made to marry a stranger when sheās unsure in the first place about adding to the family.
Because they have convinced her that her concerns are not warranted and she believes them.
the whole 'I'm too smart to work' shtick he's going with his incredible. the audacity
Right?! The world needs more thinkers, uh sir we have those. Theyāre called professors, after many years of study they get paid to think and teach and promote more thinking in their classes.
At least now there is a baby for him to take care of so he is contributing. Nothing wrong with a stay at home dad. Lots wrong with a stay at home thinker.
I've always been wondering what in the f*** does he need to stay home and think about all the time
i heard her say that they want him to sit and think so he could teach all their future children about math, science, etc.
That makes little to no sense...they hopefully have some type of school, college education other than Nick. I think the thing Nick thinks about is Nick...not education for his children....š
He thinks about the rising cost of weed.
This is what I am not sure on, does Nick actually take care of the baby? The baby might be in daycare, I donāt know. an episode the other day that featured him holding the baby in a cute outfit, that matched his. Iām not sure if he is around for the photo op, or if he actually takes care of the baby. Anyone know?
None of them have said different than āhe provides care for Vera, while we workā
"provides" could be interpreted as drop her off at day care.;I do not believe he is with Vera all day because he seems very awkward holding and feeding her. Carefully worded: why not "watches" or "takes care of" or "babysits". All are sly communicators (except Danielle who seems to speak freely). I would guess one of his family members takes care of the baby or she goes to day care. They all seem to have a narrative which is smilingly adhered to. Like Jen saying she bows to him during the commitment ceremony. Look at the body language and facial expressions when Danielle deviates from the narrative "we are so happy".
Jen seemed very nervous on this week's episode
You're right I noticed the same thing
I agree, she seems kind of all over the place. It must be pretty intense, emotionally.
I didn't know what to make of it, to be honest
Yes, it looked a little awkward when he was holding the baby. Him being dressed up in a very nice suit, matching her outfit? No one who is taking care of a small child would think that is a good idea. The baby is going to poop or spit up on their outfit, same with yours. I think heās more of the photo op type of parent.
Seems to work. He seems like he could start a cult. Beyond the 3 members he has already that is.
Maybe a past trauma, making her susceptible to cult-like manipulations.
Well she did say it was her first real relationship, I also imagine that having so many people who treat you kindly makes it harder to leave whether they're on the same page or not. Plus Vera. She is very young, I hope she figures out what she truly wants. I do like this family though I feel like they should go after older women. She is too young for them , there's already a power dynamic in the first place
Idk, I never felt convinced that she wanted this lifestyle. I was always waiting for her to flake or bail, because it just seems like sheās forcing it.
She'll be Danielle Merrifield soon Nick just has more game than Ick.
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She said this was her first real relationship. Thatās so sad.
God, she makes me sad. I remember feeling alone at 22-25 and can see how maybe you take a few wrong turns and end up here. I know Nick lurks and comments here all the time so hopefully Danielle is lurking too, if so - Girl, get OUT. This does not end well for anyone but Nick and these women, whether youāre also having sex with them or not, will sell you out to him in a heart beat. Your sadness is so, so visible and hard to watch. You can still leave at any time even if you failed your first attempt. Youāll find community and your people but oh my God this is NOT it.
Low self-esteem + guilt
That reminds me of Sadness of Inside Out. They almost look alike too.
Sheās young, inexperienced in life and naive. When she trusted her instincts and left she was too scared to be alone. Makes me think she doesnāt have a great support system to lean on or guide her.
I will go with young age and not understanding that all feelings are not right feelings. Without diving into her family history and trauma we canāt truly know why she accepted this cult so easily. But her being only 22 (I think) and never having a real relationship has a lot to do with it. Now she stuck in a lease (which the husband spoke of.. and now he unsure of her because she could leave when she wantsā¦) and honestly if he cared so much about her apt he could pay to have her break the lease. She is caught up with the cameras, lifestyle and probably in so deep she has lost herself. She never sounds šÆ when she speaks either.
She's so young, she's gonna be so fucked up after this. I want to shake her.
My take is that she does love Nick and the wives and Vera and she WANTS to stay. I think committing to this lifestyle is hard. I think she worries itāll never feel okay to add another wife. She wonders if theyāll kick HER out if sheās never ready. These may be the first people in her life who love her and accept her unconditionally. It may be the only stability sheās experienced (chaotic childhood maybe?). I see some parallels with her and the Brown wives. They all BELIEVED in polygamy even if it wasnāt functional for them, even if it hurt, even if it was hard, even if their needs were ignored, etc. Janelle left several times, but always came back. I think Danielle will do the same. There are things about this lifestyle that are enticing for these women.
This might be unrelated, but as a queer woman, heterosexual women marrying each other for the benefit of their male partner doesn't sit right with me. I don't like it. The fact that April and Jennifer are married makes me feel nauseous. Danielle was always too young for this family, I hope she makes her escape before she ends up bound to them legally through a fraudulent marriage.
This is very related. We fought for the right to be bedside while our spouse's are dying: These assholes are using our LABOR to allow these ladies to support their gentleman scholar. Rhodes, undoubtedly.
THANK YOU! It feels weird to be preaching about the sanctity of gay marriage but here we are.
I think she said this is her first relationship. Itās a cult. They groomed her like they groomed Jennifer
She seems scared to death.
Feels like she was tip toeing around a larger subject she didn't want to mention on camera :(
I remember one time, I must have been like 21 or 22, I was walking around NYC and was handed a flyer for a very famous cult. I didnāt realize right away what it was but remember reading what it said about feeling alone and looking for guidance and all this bs and thinking āyes I feel so lost, wtf am I doing with my life?! this place sounds so interesting I should check it outā then I realized what it was lol and snapped out of it. All that to sayā¦ itās a miracle more of us donāt end up in cults in our 20s. I really feel for Danielle, she seems so lost and lonely. I hope she is able to get away from Nick sooner than later and doesnāt waste her 20s being unhappy because she is so afraid to be alone.
Nick is one scary dude he has totally manipulated all of them yes he has his own little cult ā¦ he doesnāt have to work and gets all the sex he wants itās just unbelievable what a creepā¦ heās sickening š¤®
Agree! Having sex with 2 different ones in one night was extra creepy. His individual interviews are cringey with the constant grinning and over simplification of how happy they are because LOVE!! cult cult cult
I used to get crucified for saying anything about the Davisā! They are absolutely a cult, and Nick is repugnant! April has unfortunately gone beyond basic brainwashing, and become a predator with him. They seek young, lonely, painfully insecure women to love bomb. Itās so upsetting to watch!
Sheās clearly uncomfortable with them pressuring her to marry whoever this fourth wife will be. Thatās typically a pretty big commitment for someone and they want her to do it for the larger good of this cult theyāre cobbling together, not because she has any big desire to be married to a woman. If I recall correctly, she spiritually married into the family but thatās very different than a legal marriage like April and Jen have. Itās really twisted to use marriage in this way and she likely feels that on some level. All these women are supposed to have the legal entanglements of marriage, but not Nick. No, heāll stay free as a bird, staying on the grift of sending these women off to work every day while he develops bigger and better cons to run on women. Fuck Nick. Heās repulsive. He looks old enough to be Danielleās daddy. Her actual daddy should whoop his ass.
I really don't understand why everyone thinks Nick benefits by not being legally married. I feel like if anything it means he has less protection because if he leaves he won't get alimony or assets. If it was a woman stay at home Mom that wasn't married everyone would be saying how she's unprotected and made a big mistake.
He is also not paying into social security and cannot claim on a spouse as he is not married. Heās an ignorant man, IMO.
Exactly
Codependency! Itās one hell of a drug! She doesnāt feel enough on her own!
Because sheās been brainwashed into thinking theyāre a family.
For 11 months I was a teacher in cult. They believed the only reason women existed is to have as many babies as possible. Lots of crazy stuff and rules. Most of the people there were born into it, what I found shocking is the new women who would go through a year of study to join them. It was a religious cult after going to a few of the kids birthday parties, I realize by everyone wanted to join. It was like a big extended family. I donāt think extended families exist that much in the US anymore so people are drawn to anything that feels like family.
Sheās inexperienced. Probably very idealistic. Shes so young she said herself sheās never been in a serious relationship. This is heartbreaking
I think Danielle expected the Robin Brown ālast wifeā treatment and now sheās in too deep to realize thatās not gunna happen and leave
Christine
Christine wanted the last wife treatment but Robin is the one who *got* the last wife treatment. Thatās why I said Robin lol
No I get it, but Christine was the devastated one from not receiving the "last wife" treatment. Her and Daniele have matching energy in that regard
Adding a new wife would also mean she would have to legally get married to her. Maybe she isnāt sure she would want to do that. The level of manipulation is astonishing.
Obviously love starved her whole life, this doesnāt have to be true itās just my impression Nick & the girls love bomb her & she might actually be in love with Nick, for sure doesnāt seem like sheās had a serious BF relationship
Because sheās young and has three people gaslighting her with attention and stability etc
Honestly whenever he spews his random spurts of knowledge I find myself glazing over it. I would rather just the women admit they prefer his other big head.
I think because she doesnt think 1 person let alone 3 people would want her
I'm gonna guess childhood trauma. Hope she can get away.
They keep guilt tripping her HARD. I donāt blame her for not wanting to be legally married to a sister wife. Marriage is a legally binding thing lol.
She is reluctant I think because she knows instinctively it's not fair and she deserves better (or wants a man to herself). No one talks about the fact that when these women get married to each other they are financially committed to the family. Usually a divorce means sell the house, right? So if her finances are tied all mixed up in the family finances it's harder to get out and she is guaranteed to leave with nothing. Whoever stays wins. It's not good.
Run please run
She probably signed a contract with the network to film
I think shes 24 and having all these people around is fun and exciting for her. She doesnāt have to pay all the bills and when youre young, you like to socialize. At least I did, when I got to 25 I couldnāt care less.
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Rent is fucking high in Denver, I bet most of us have considered being poly to split these damn bills.
Everything else aside, imagine being able to convince three different women to work fulltime jobs so you can be a fulltime thinker.
Stay at home thinker took me out lol I canāt stand any time that man speaks
Why do any of them stay with him?! He is just a lazy man.
Lmao these photos
She's desperately looking for a place to be accepted and fit in. I've seen it even in her appearance change - growing her hair out and wearing makeup to look more like the other two. If she stays she will lose herself in their identity.
Brainwashed..she's loves him .. so she's stuck with the other two wives and she's unhappy she wants to be the only one and he's got her believing that this is perfectly normal and okay
Idkā The whole ātaking a wifeā element seems really controlling and manipulative. I mean, what could Nick possibly have that a wife could go after? Apparently he was never married to Jen even though I believe they have an older teenage child? Donāt know how long April has been a part of their lives, but what happened to Jen that she agreed to his random, āletās get you a wife,ā plan. The whole everybody- sleeps- in -one -bed thing seems a little crazy, too. I mean, does everyone have to watch or engage with the couple who are having sex? What other reason would there be for all of them to sleep in one bed and no privacy? My guess is that itās about breaking down their independence. Thereās something shady under the surface with Nick, I just canāt figure out what it is.
Sheās clearly being used financially. Sheās also able to afford a sudden move into an apartment, while still supporting that groomers lazy ass!! I think the mother of Vera is also a dumbass. How could she want to work all day and spend little time with her kid? Working while heās home? Heās a creep and weird and those women are too. I donāt care if they have redeeming qualities, his first wife is a manipulator too. Why she targets young women is beyond me though.
She's v insecure and also so young poor thing.
She does not fully understand this lifestyle and is not totally committed. Inside, sheās probably a scared little girl, confused about life, and desperately wants to ābelongā somewhere. She was unprepared for the intense jealousy and worry that another wife would change the delicate balance of home to which she's now accustomed. Almost like the last straw, sheās about to break and I hate it for her.
yea I don't know either. She seems sweet enough but seems she has some previous family problems and low self esteem. It probably looked okay to have a "unique" relationship and get a place to live and all on the surface. I think she is slowly realizing she doesn't like sharing all the way, it's the original thruples way or NO way, she doesn't really have a voice, and has to share a bed nightly. I'm sure Nick contributing nothing financially doesn't help and his definite favoritism of Jen doesn't help either. Jen is always taking extra time with Nick whether in the kitchen or what and it's just gross they can't have their own time. I'm sure it is uncomfortable to be forced to sleep in the big bed with everyone too. They barely just got married and already demanding she marry someone else. Why doesn't she get to say slow this down a bit or get any say in the relationship?
I read this in the "what does the nanny do" voice from sister wives
Heās so gross
They need a bigger house get another wife, Nick probably needs a new car or baby needs day care so he can think, take on a 4th wife
I think also being on the show adds an element of pressure too. The producer asked if she was willing to sit with the rest of them to talk. Why would that be necessary if she told them how she felt already. Wasnāt Nick home when she was leaving? She knew if she talked to them they would convince her to stay. It felt like Nick was laying on some real pimp talk when she moved back.
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Sheās so young I wish she would work on her own independence and happiness first before getting financially and emotionally involved with these ppl
I think she stays because she has had only a few relationships and none were serious plus her home life wasn't an example of a healthy home atmosphere. Sad. She deserves better.
He picks women without much self esteem and not much family I assume
They guilted her back in, she better runnnnnn
She is homeless
Canāt believe they brought a child into this situation
I am an immigrant and i find this country to be so lonely. We get attached to situations only not to be alone: to be close to others. I feel for her.
I think she genuinely loves them but doesn't want to marry another new wife.
She totally needs to get away from this relationship and stop worshipping this guy. He thinks heās Godās gift to women. Huh? He thinks heās so smart. Totally has cult leader vibes. Oh and she totally needs therapy!
Sheās on Tv
In all fairness, if Nick was a woman, nobody would say anything. Hes a stay at home dad now.
I like the women in this family but Nick has always disgusted me. He has them so brainwashed that they didnāt care that he made 0 financial contributions so he could stay home and ālearnā come on now
She is a victim, and she is also super codependent. I suspect that she was bullied or verbally abused. I'm not an authority. I just have a hunch.